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BS: Trump Actions and Effects

robomatic 07 Jan 21 - 07:22 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Jan 21 - 06:14 PM
punkfolkrocker 07 Jan 21 - 05:51 PM
Donuel 07 Jan 21 - 04:40 PM
Stilly River Sage 07 Jan 21 - 03:54 PM
Donuel 07 Jan 21 - 03:35 PM
Dave the Gnome 07 Jan 21 - 03:16 PM
Steve Shaw 07 Jan 21 - 02:59 PM
Donuel 07 Jan 21 - 01:48 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 07:22 PM

I am purposely not going to try and remember the actual quote. It has to do with history repeating itself, (which it doesn't really do):

-History repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce-

So what's occurring to me today it the storming of the Bastille versus what happened yesterday, which doesn't yet have a convenient label.

The storming of the Bastille probably had a lot of weapons drawn and led to the fall of the French monarchy.

Yesterday's affair led to the exposure of the extreme right wing Trumpistas as truly pathetic and sad.

Trump seems to have ultimately been a pot-stirrer but a rather directionless one, in that he is dedicated to no principle, just himself. As such he has not made anyone happy, just reinforced pre-existing discontent and prejudice.

Many of the talking heads have gone on about the unprecedented nature of this 'occupation' but I think other potential 'rhymes' might be when Andrew Jackson had an inaugural party where he opened the White House to the public
and they apparently trashed it. While there are some similiarities between Andrew Jackson and President Sierra Foxtrot Bravo, I think that at least Jackson had principles and showed signs of being a man prior to his election. This is not an endorsement of Jackson, I am in favor of dropping him from the currency.

Democracy is not for sissies, and is no guarantee of eternal success. Right now I'm thinking of Paul Simon's song: "American Tune".


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 06:14 PM

You yanks have many a conundrum. Try to impeach him and fail: he wins in 2024, no sweat. Charge him with wotever: a long-winded and extremely damaging show trial that gives succour to his followers. Do nothing: he's a lethal pain in the arse forever. God knows, but, as you're yanks, you'll decide wrong, as ever. You'd all better start praying for his ill-health. Or wonder, in hope, whether Lee Harvey Oswald really did die...

There are terrible worries for the next 13 days. But there are terrible worries for many years to come. Half of your Republicans still want to overturn a free and fair election in which the winner got there by six million votes. But Trump's 70 million are not going anywhere anytime soon. If only you'd fixed your stupid electoral college before 2016. But isn't hindsight a wonderful thing...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 05:51 PM

So, it seems the woman shot dead was a right wing military vet..

No surprise, then..

It's what we Brits have been lead to expect of the profile for trump militia activists...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 04:40 PM

That's Pelosi's plan. If they succeed it means he can never run for ANY office and the $ he has made for reelection will cease.
His legal exposure is to the states.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 03:54 PM

They can race through the impeachment process if they need to - we all know what is being discussed here. Up until yesterday the phone call to Georgia was an impeachable offence, but this one yesterday was on film and we can see the cause and effect - once he's out, the cowardly GOP members don't need to fear so much. Except their voters in their next elections.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 03:35 PM

So you are saying there is only one answer


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 03:16 PM

Yebbut he was never able so he could not say the palindrome


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 02:59 PM

The last thing you need is a protracted show trial. Send him to Elba. Pool, pets, but no phone...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 01:48 PM

events so far

After 4 years of trying every legal civilized remedy in the book
it looks like the Democrats are going to have to resort to the extreme

strongly worded letter.


After 100 years (I knew my grandparents story) I know Americans very well. It has been a racist society for hundreds of years. Rightwing mobs, lynch mobs, murderous police mobs, racial town massacre mobs are excused and given a nod while the left is considered dangerous, communist, godless and nigger lovers.

This is who we have been. Sometimes you have to wait for the old bastards to die off but tribalism has deep roots. The new confederacy in all its manifestations is the old 'might makes right' barbarism.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 01:14 PM

Today on The Takeaway (NPR) they spoke about the lack of arrests of domestic terrorists. One of the guests remarked that (paraphrasing) we need to look at police from the context of who they are there to protect compared to who they are there to control.

There's a reason why rioters were taking selfies with the local police. There's a huge problem of the affiliation of white supremacist groups in police forces around the country.

Yesterday it was VP Pence who called the National Guard, not Trump. There were several things Pence had to do because Trump wouldn't. Meanwhile, Ivanka was referring to domestic terrorists as "patriots." She'll look great in orange, especially once her roots grow out.

Trump needs to be removed from office, if only for the humiliation of the act. Impeach him, declare him incompetent and remove him. Just get his fat ass out of there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 01:13 PM

25th Amendment...???

Mussolini and Ceau?escu might agree that's letting trump off lightly...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 12:41 PM

I'm glad the globe and I see eye to eye.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 12:31 PM

I thought I would never say, good for you Mark Zuckerberg.
(trump banned on facebook)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 11:48 AM

"Do not call what’s happening in Washington a protest. It’s a white supremacist insurrection, a seditious attack on democracy. This riot is yet another battle in a Civil War that has never ended, one that generations of white people have waged through lynchings, murder, intimidation, oppression, odious policies, and systemic racism.
"This is what President Trump — who should be arrested for inciting violence, never mind impeached again — wanted. He’s never cared about America, and he’d rather watch this nation burn than see it led by anyone else. Of course, the blame for this riot cannot end at the Oval Office.
"May it forever stain every Republican who refused to acknowledge Joe Biden as the president-elect. Let it shroud every GOP legislator who turned Trump’s loser pity party into a pointless effort to thwart the will of 81 million voters. Speak with shame the names of the men and women who fought against democracy and tried to pervert voter engagement into voter fraud. They own this horror, each and every one of them."


-- The Boston Globe, January 7, 2021


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 11:11 AM

The video of that incident is being shown on BBC-TV News today, gilly. Disgusting aggression and bullying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 10:45 AM

I think it was David Axlerod on CNN last night who related that Mitt Romney flies alone in coach and earlier this week was accosted on a flight back to D.C. by trumpophiles chanting "traitor".


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 10:40 AM

American Airlines decided to stop serving booze on flights to and from dc as passengers were being belligerent about politics.

I bet nothing will happen to these particular politically belligerants.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 09:57 AM

Something needs to be done because he can wreak a lot of havoc in the next 13 days. No one should be above the law.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 09:52 AM

i do not think he will be impeached , i hope i am wrong, Trump may be corrupt but so are many others , if trump is impeached he might expose others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 09:44 AM

I try ignore your untethered, condescending, scatter-brained horseshit but it gets difficult at times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 09:32 AM

After 100 years I know Americans very well. It has been a racist society for hundreds of years. Rightwing mobs, lynch mobs, murderous police mobs, racial massacre mobs are excused and given a nod while the left is considered dangerous, communist, godless and nigger lovers.

This is who we have been. Somtimes you have to wait for the old bastards to die off but tribalism has deep roots. The new confederacy in all its manifstaions is the old might makes right barbarism.
You are the bystander. When ever you hear "whatever" it is a passive supporter. If you hear "we love trump" it is an active supporter.

Most of you are old dogs and can't learn many new tricks. I can only hope you will not allow yourself to get tricked. Thats why I begin and end with the truth. The truth in history repeating it self, the truth of who we are andin who we are and what the alttrnatives can be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 08:27 AM

#lockhimup


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 07:09 AM

trump may be immune from prosecution at this point but there's no reason that Rudy, Mo Brooks and trump jr. shouldn't be brought up on sedition charges.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 07:07 AM

If he is not arrested the USA will have lost the respect of the world for a generation.

Robin


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 06:57 AM

With due respect you'd address me as gilly, trumpuel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 06:44 AM

With all due respect Gilly we know insanity when we see it.
We know the face of hate, racism and cowardice.

This was diagnosed and predicted. Now it is witnessed by everyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 05:27 AM

"the Capitol", doh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 05:21 AM

He's also a goddam coward, when exhorting the mob to move on the capital he said "I'll be right there with you" before slinking back to the White House to watch the riot in comfort and saftey.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 05:03 AM

Who the hell knows what goes on in the mind of trump, he's clearly gone around the bend and deserves to be arrested for inciting rebellion as soon as it's legally possible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 01:39 AM

Is Trump more cunniing that he first appears?
is he doing this to show and warn that he is too big to be impeached, to show that when he leaves office he has the power to still cause mayhem if he is prosecuted?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 01:25 AM

Don does have a point in all of that - even as I watched the crowds rush the Capitol, I was also astonished at the number of people who still don't get it about wearing masks and maintaining their distance. Today was certainly a super spreader event. And now the house and senate are in on large room that had a bunch of non-distancing people in it earlier in the day, touching, breathing, and who knows what in there. Is the air filtration and the cleaning crew so good and swift that they were able to remove some of the excess hazard introduced into the room? Germs and guns.

Double-entendre there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 11:55 PM

I think I’m starting to see lizard people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 11:20 PM

The quote is HAVE FUN storming the castle. Philistine.

I joke, because, today.

Wow. I have been embarrassed by my government, and by my fellow Americans, before... but this is cringe-worthy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 11:06 PM

Oscar Wilde was funny,
so was the Princess Bride quote "Good luck storming the castle".
Much more video is now released from the chaos inside the capitol.
Some Republicans have bailed but the rest of the objectors have doubled down. I have not editorialized these events at length, if at all, but if I did in one sentence it would be that democracy is better when it comes from everyone instead of from one shameful person like Trump.

PS robo, to see history repeat itself, you have to know history.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 10:27 PM

Oscar Wilde observed:

"America is the only country to go from barbarism to decadence without an intervening period of civilization."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 10:12 PM

items on our national news - US politics live update
Twitter, Instagram & facebook have limited Donald Trump's account
White House Press Secretary Sarah Matthews has resigned
The First Lady's chief of staff has resigned over the violence in the Capitol


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 08:49 PM

Well, we're hearing some Republican retreat. First, the President of the Senate, Mike Pence, and just now, fresh from her defeat in her Georgia re-election campaign, Kelly Loeffler, who just made a rather heartfelt speech saying that she intended this morning to object to the certification of some delegates (to the Electoral College) but is not going to do so now.

Not a sea change. Yet. But by now maybe some Republicans are sensing diminishing returns of their Trumpallegiance.

Ah, the reliable motivation that remains! Self interest!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 08:40 PM

This was not street theatre. This was an insurrection organized and orchestrated by a sore loser and these were his supporters who identify with him as sore losers as well. This kind of violent protest cannot be tolerated in a democratic society.

It's especially hard for me to watch because I've been in much larger protests, 400,000 marching in Washington in 1969, but we never stormed the Capitol or even the White House. We shook our fists and passed on by.

The last four years have been very sad, and now we are beginning 2021 on an even sadder note.

Only Trump is beaming from ear to ear. The SOB has done it again.

Charlie Ipcar


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 08:22 PM

DonTrumpuel:

You are simply the anti-Trump Trump. You peddle stuff that maybesometimes is allied to reality but by no means is guaranteed. Your successive post-on-posts does not contribute to the light. And it encourages a lot of cats to follow the laser pointer instead of the point.

Along with Trump you remind us that man must not completely lose his sense of smell.

For those who want current facts there is the current news. All DonTrumpuel does is repeat some of the one, or maybe add to some of the repeated stuff, or maybe not. I take it as observational and it is not always a dead loss. But sometimes it's a waste of time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 07:28 PM

Anyone else willing to pretend none of those maskless 'patriots' who broke into the capital were infectious? I hope they have a can of Lysol.

So far no zip tie arrests even for people carrying off government property or media equipment. hmmm


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 07:05 PM

dear robo, do you have any evidence or proof that I have ever incited anyone to do anything? Your misinformation chestnut has spoiled and would be dangerous for anyone to eat.

Stilly I have avoided using the i word (inside job)
Moreso there was at least two weeks of planning by the proud boys. A small 5,000 crowd at the white house was joined from many side streets to 30,000 by the time people reached the capitol.

I do not blame the capitol police. They are trained to handle a lone gunman or small cadre. The windows and side doors of the capitol building are old and easily breached. Your average small bank has unbreakable windows.

The building is now called secure. It is not yet cleared for use but Pelosi is determined to resume tonight.











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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 06:46 PM

This is far from over. There will undoubtedly be an investigation as to how the Capitol was breached by protestors. Someone was apparently shot by law enforcement and I have heard on the radio that they expired.

But let's not lose focus, as the current occupant and his extreme partisans (and DonTrumpuel) would have us do:

The latest Trump Action and Effect:

His tireless campaign to reelect two Georgia (Republican) Senators has resulted in the narrow but confirmed election of two Democratic Senators and a crack at a Biden Presidency with a Democratically effective Senate and House.

Yes, Virginia, there IS a Sanity Claus!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 06:38 PM

There were far too many idiots out there to manage mass arrests. Perhaps some were. Some folks were tear gassed and pepper-sprayed. I saw vans & buses coming & going... but the main goal was to get everything secured.
Curfew in place since 6PM.
Congress swears they will reconvene somewhere and finish their business.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 06:29 PM

OK, Punky - my bad. I'm probably taking everything too seriously just now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 06:13 PM

If none of those rioters are arrested for sedition then there is some kind of inside nonsense going on to protect them. And it was too easy for the rioters to get control of the capitol - who was in charge of security for all of this?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 05:51 PM

The GOOD news is that floor staff acted on their own and hid the official electoral ballots (in 3 beautiful wooden trunks and other boxes) before the mob broke into the Senate chamber.
They have NOT been vandalized or burned.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 05:41 PM

Funny I have not seen a single arrest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 05:39 PM

I am watching local news. I see the Trump mob attacking and chasing AP and other news crews away abbandoning their equipment like expensive large cameras, microphones and electronic cases yelling :enemies of the people. Some was looted but the remaining equipment was being stomped on.
robo sigh, don't be a fool. You are too smart for that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 04:46 PM

WashPo reports someone shot, at the Capitol. Great.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 04:28 PM

Jeri - just offering a sarcastic UK perspective..

We tend to see mainly [purported] US Vets
presenting armed to the teeth extremist 'patriot' right wing youtube videos...

Biden just asked sadly how the rest of the world see you...


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