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BS: Trump Actions and Effects

Steve Shaw 09 Jan 21 - 03:00 PM
Donuel 09 Jan 21 - 02:18 PM
Helen 09 Jan 21 - 01:54 PM
Donuel 09 Jan 21 - 12:45 PM
Donuel 09 Jan 21 - 12:31 PM
robomatic 09 Jan 21 - 12:05 PM
Donuel 09 Jan 21 - 10:58 AM
Donuel 09 Jan 21 - 10:55 AM
robomatic 09 Jan 21 - 10:46 AM
punkfolkrocker 09 Jan 21 - 10:41 AM
gillymor 09 Jan 21 - 09:58 AM
Donuel 09 Jan 21 - 09:46 AM
Steve Shaw 09 Jan 21 - 09:36 AM
peteglasgow 09 Jan 21 - 09:36 AM
Mr Red 09 Jan 21 - 09:05 AM
Thompson 09 Jan 21 - 08:43 AM
Donuel 09 Jan 21 - 08:40 AM
gillymor 09 Jan 21 - 08:28 AM
gillymor 09 Jan 21 - 08:20 AM
Donuel 09 Jan 21 - 08:03 AM
gillymor 09 Jan 21 - 07:53 AM
DMcG 09 Jan 21 - 07:40 AM
gillymor 09 Jan 21 - 07:31 AM
Donuel 09 Jan 21 - 07:26 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 03:00 PM

I'll just leaven the bread with this little aside, fretting not a jot about its appropriateness:

There is a plane carrying 5 passengers: Nicola Sturgeon, Boris Johnson, Donald Trump, the Pope and a 10-year-old school boy.

The plane begins to go down and is about to crash. There are only 4 parachutes on board.

Nicola Sturgeon says "I have to live, I have the Scottish independence to sort out," and takes a parachute and jumps.

The Pope says "I have to live, I have to sort out the Catholic Church," and takes a parachute and jumps.

Donald Trump says "I have to live, I'm the smartest man in America," and takes a parachute and jumps.

Boris Johnson looks at the 10-year-old school boy and says "You can have the last parachute. I'm a lot older than you and I've lived my life, yours has yet to begin."

The school boy says "Don't worry Mr Johnson. There's two parachutes left. The smartest man in America just took my school bag."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 02:18 PM

Speaking of relatives, Melania is a sharp cookie, knows what she wants and is the most staunch deal maker.
Remember when she refused to move down to the White House with trump in 2016. Until she got a favorable renegotiated pre nup she did not budge. She insisted on a child, her parents immigration and mo money.

I picture Don Jr. on horseback wielding a sword along with his cavalry on race horses, polo ponies and Buffalo hunters. Bill Barr is saddled on a mule and Eric is racing RC cars.

I have Rudy dressed like Napoleon and Ivanka is singing diamonds are a girl's best friend.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 01:54 PM

I watched the video of Lincoln Project’s Rick Wilson and also this one on the same page.

Mary Trump Predicts A “Dangerous” Next Two Weeks Under the Trump Administration

Among other topics, Mary Trump mentions some of the many challenges Trump will probably be facing after he leaves office.

Also Mary Trump, a clinical psychologist, has evaluated DT and presents the case that DT ticks many of the boxes for sociopathy.

Personally, having worked with a number of people over the years who also appeared to exhibit sociopathic behaviours, I know that they can charm their friends and colleagues into believing all sorts of things. They do it with complete conviction because they believe themselves to be special, invincible, better than the rest of humanity, and entitled to do whatever they want regardless of the effect on others and with no apparent moral compass. When/if the scales fall from the eyes of their supporters it becomes very difficult for them to cope with the fact that the sociopath has used them, chewed them up and spit them out without a second glance as s/he goes on her/his merry way with the next target or project in sight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 12:45 PM

Fox is doubling down in sarcastic tones referring to the "so called threats of violence" and gleefully attacking Geraldo Rivera for "repeating Democrat talking points". They are in NNM nazi normalization mode.


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Subject: RE: BS: robo Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 12:31 PM

Mr. Red Hotcold You're such a titillating dear. My bet is that we are all unique desite the obvious similarities.
Left to simmer, there is enough deep seated skum to float to the top along with trump fat and then be spooned out of the pot.
It seems if one can predict events and later claim they were right they WIN the mudcat BS game. Meanwhile there are the sore losers.

I have this cartoon of Donald Jr leading the tip of the spear charge of a light brigade into the teeth of hundreds of tanks. Jr's caption "were havin fun huntin you down" caption for tanks "fire".


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 12:05 PM

DonTrumpuel:

You are the only one I know who can oscillate and fibrillate at the same time!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 10:58 AM

robo i was 'inoculated' as well.














































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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 10:55 AM

A quick legal Q&A
Who is culpable? Mea Culpa
Who intended crime in their mind? Mens Rea.

Main Stream Media was an enabler imo in the failure to call White Supremacy a brewing evil in all of its excuses, goons, mobs, REAL AMERICANS and those who burned and rioted blaming it on a ethereal mass movement called antifa.

Some of the rioters and looters have practice in the field and consider themselves veteran soldiers. Stalin said when one person is murdered its a tradgedy but a million are a statisic. He also said how people vote doesn't matter, what matters is who counts votes.

Of 20% of Trump voters who will fight in place for their feurer the actual number will be much lower for those who will travel for engagement, so Inauguration day will have a few too many Nazi instigators.
I suspect they will keep their promise. This time we might listen and learn who the real enemy and 5th columnists are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 10:46 AM

I was raised by a scientist father who thought it important that I have a (mild) religious education.

Kind of like a vaccine. I grew to appreciate it when I was at school and the Campus Crusade for Christ came by. Having a background in the language and stories of religion has not only been useful but inspirational. But my version keeps me interested and with no feeling that I have all the answers. Indeed, my personal religion is to keep questioning, including questioning myself.

And so whether or not one believes in God, I think one of the great lessons of God is that whatever, whoever God is, it's NOT YOU.

This may be the flaw in Trump's personal makeup. And one of the things that makes him unsuitable to be a Commander in Chief. We all have delusions, if only the delusion that we have no delusions, but that one fatal flaw, to confuse oneself with divinity, does not end well. It's one of the reasons that Trump lets down EVERYONE who believes in him. Because the one being he can't conceive of letting down is himself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 10:41 AM

plus you have trump's malevolent arsehole son perpetuating the nutzi shit stirring...


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Subject: RE: BS: name for trumps new social media
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 09:58 AM

covfefemax

(whoops, I see you beat me to twatter, Sandman)


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Subject: RE: BS: name for trumps new social media
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 09:46 AM

There are already existimg available platforms like News One and AHC. They call it the American Heros Channel but I call it the All Hitler Channel-they really do broadcast Hitler documentaries 24/7


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 09:36 AM

And where, pray, does that statistic come from?

I think that gillymor, DMcG and I are on the same page now apropos of the impeachment process requirements. The banning from future office-holding can only be brought about after a Senate trial and a supermajority vote. What still isn't clear to me is whether it would be constitutional to go ahead with the whole process, including the Senate trial, after he's left office. Another point is that it's important to not conflate what the Senate does and what the criminal justice system does: impeachment is not intended to lead to punishment, and it doesn't enjoy anything like the same due process requirements.

His resignation would be owned by him. Amendment 25 would be owned, probably, by Mike Pence. Impeachment, if successful and leading to a ban from future office, would be seen to be owned by the Democratic Party. I've put them in the order of desirability as I see it, from best to worst. If none of those things happens, and there ends up being a criminal trial, which would be protracted, I think your country would be in hot water for a very long time. He did get an awful lot of voters behind him, and martyrdom would likely follow... Be careful what you wish for, and be even more careful what you charge him with.

We could be in for quite an interesting few days.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: peteglasgow
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 09:36 AM

....also enabling trump seems to have been the evangelical christian churches. will they be able to change their tune? maybe accept a bit of humility? there should be a fair amount of cognitive dissonance going around - will it change much in the US? i really don't know whether we should be horrified or encouraged by recent events and what will happen next.....


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Subject: RE: BS: name for trumps new social media
From: Mr Red
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 09:05 AM

BriteFart


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Subject: RE: BS: name for trumps new social media
From: Thompson
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 08:43 AM

Tantrump gets my vote!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 08:40 AM

Lets look at the big picture. While Trump got 70 million votes fewer than 20 million will put their lives and family on the line to die for Trump. This constitutes an Army composed of Nazi, KKK spin offs and bible / gun nuts.

They are capable of a great deal of damage.
They won access to ransack the capitol but FAILED; to delay Biden vote, Hang Mike Pense, hold lawmakers hostage and murder the guilty by kangaroo court as similarly planned against the govenor of Michigan.

Next are the enablers; Murdoch, Zuckerberg, Trump, Republican Senators, Sinlair local radio and TV etc.



Am I saying anything new here" I don't think so. If you haven't opened your eyes yet they could be closed by violence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 08:28 AM

"Its OK to guess, when it comes to cosmology I guess all the time.
When it comes to statutes and the Constitution not so much."
Let me point out that you also got it wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 08:20 AM

That NY mag article indicates that it may be possible to try an impeached trump in the senate even after he's left office.
At this point he's probably getting chapped lips from kissing Pence's ass in hopes of attaining a Nixon/Ford-like pardon, the same ass he was chewing on a few days ago for not conducting an unconstitutional activity on his behalf in the Senate Chamber.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 08:03 AM

Its OK to guess, when it comes to cosmology I guess all the time.
When it comes to statutes and the Constitution not so much.
Its my wife who gets called to the Capitol to testify as part of her job. I just get to complain about the gubmint full time. I am not a lawyer so feel free to ignore everything I've said. I won't sue you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 07:53 AM

I think you're right DMcG, and I apologize if I've introduced misinformation here. It was not my intent to deceive any one.

From NYMag-
NY Mag

From the article-
"Indeed, Senate rules provide that such a ban may be enacted by a simple majority vote after two-thirds of the Senate has voted for conviction in an impeachment trial."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 07:40 AM

It needs a proper lawyer to answer this, but it looks to me as if the simple majority to ban from future federal roles only applies after he has been convicted on the two-thirds majority. I could very easily be wrong there, but as an abstract principle the ban looks like a punishment and the 2/3 is about guilt. So having a punishment when a person is found not guilty sounds odd.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 07:31 AM

Quite right, a simple majority is all it takes but I doubt Moscow Mitch would want Republican senators in swing states to have to vote on it. We'll have a real AG on the 20th instead of a trump bootlicker so let's hope the force of law hits him like a ton of bricks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 07:26 AM

A simple 50/50 majority is needed to ban Trump from ever holding office. A 2/3 majority is needed for guilt


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 07:18 AM

What makes everyone inciting the coup CRIMINALLY respondsible is an overarching legal term called MENS REA be it Trump or Rudy or Senators.
Since the basis for their actions are based on FRAUD (the election was rigged) there is criminal culpability of all its founders. If there was any possiility that the basis for their action was not fraud but a provable fact with evidence there would not be Mens Rea and there would not be criminal action at the foundation of all their words and behavior.
Well Steve knows more US law than most Americans. BUT There are more nooks and crannies in the Constitution than people think.
Mitch McConnell has decided to sit on his hands and leave it to the next Congress. Every thing I wrote is accurate. I won't repeat it.
I have some Constitutional awareness since my dad was a constitutional law professor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 06:43 AM

The way I understand it is that the Senate, after an impeachment in the House, can vote to ban the impeached from seeking public office via a super majority vote without a trial or a conviction. I would be very much in favor of that though there's not much chance of it happening but trump's going to have legal problems in a number of venues that will probably keep him occupied until the grave, might even cause him to miss a few rounds of golf or an assignation with a porn star.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 06:22 AM

Maybe we have our wires crossed. I know that he can be banned from office once the Senate finds him guilty via a supermajority (though I'm unclear about the constitutional position once he's left office on the 20th, and some of your constitutional lawyers are also unsure). I thought you meant that there could be the sort of fast-track that missed out steps...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 06:11 AM

If you're referring to the Senate's ability to prevent someone from running for office after impeachment, it's been done twice before in our history, both times with federal judges, I believe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 06:06 AM

That doesn't sound constitutional, but do correct me if I'm wrong...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 05:51 AM

2nd sentence should read-"But after impeachment his chamber could, but probably won't, vote to ban trump from seeking public office with a super majority vote without a trial. "


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 05:47 AM

Moscow Mitch put out a memo yesterday stating that the Senate, in the event of an impeachment, would not even begin prepping for a trial until the 19th, effectively saying no trial. But after impeachment his chamber could, but probably, vote to ban trump from seeking public office with a super majority vote without a trial. Even scum like trump deserves a fair hearing and shouldn't be railroaded into a hasty trial but he needs to be strongly repudiated after his shameful, seditious and undemocratic actions on Wednesday and on last week's Georgia phone call. Some times you've got to do the right thing even though it might not appear to be the smart or practical thing in order to get the message out there that no one is above the law. Thank goodness Pelosi and her caucus see it this way. Early next week the House will tie a bow around our worst presidency with a historic 2nd impeachment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 04:51 AM

I read just now on the BBC news website that the earliest an article of impeachment could be put to the Senate would be on the 19th. The feeling is still that getting a Senate supermajority to convict him is almost inconceivable. It isn't clear either whether convicting him once he's left office on the 20th would be constitutionally sound...


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Subject: RE: BS: name for trumps new social media
From: gillymor
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 04:46 AM

Twatter


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Subject: RE: BS: name for trumps new social media
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 03:50 AM

Tantrump


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Subject: RE: BS: name for trumps new social media
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 03:35 AM

Many of his followers are on Parler, and much of Wednesday's attack of the Capitol was planned there. Google Play dropped the Parler app on Friday, and Apple is expected to drop the app on Saturday.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: name for trumps new social media
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 02:51 AM

The TrumpDump!

Because you know.... It's Trump and a digital .... you know....


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Subject: RE: BS: name for trumps new social media
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 02:46 AM

YouTrumped...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 02:45 AM

Up until a few minutes ago I had never heard of Lincoln Project’s Rick Wilson.

This interview is one of the best I've watched regarding trump's impending demise,
from one of the most sensible US political commentators I've found so far...


"Trump’s Life About to Become "A Burning Hell" "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEVTnC0Hky0&ab_channel=AmanpourandCompany


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 02:38 AM

pfr that was an interesting video. I don't know enough of the British Constitution (unwritten) to judge the speaker's veracity and of course I don't have a personal take on Boris Johnson other than John Oliver's, but I'm always fascinated by Democracy in Olde Englande.

It did make me reflect on the fact that Donald Trump is probably in a state of terror right now. In less than two weeks he'll be stripped of his shell like a hermit crab yanked from its protection. He probably feels just that vulnerable.

So he IS pretty dangerous right now.


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Subject: BS: name for trumps new social media
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 02:25 AM

Trump is threatening to start a rival social media channel to twitter , any suitable names for it? , perhaps Twatter, or Clap trap


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jan 21 - 11:54 PM

And more:

The big picture: It's the latest in a string of platforms to take action against Trump's accounts following the historic pro-Trump riot at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday.

Twitch and Snapchat disabled Trump's accounts.

Shopify took down two online stores affiliated with the president.

Facebook and Instagram banned Trump from posting for at least the next two weeks, and faced calls to boot him permanently, including from former First Lady Michelle Obama and high-ranking Hill Democrats.

Twitter froze Trump out of his account Wednesday before reinstating him Thursday once he deleted problematic tweets. [He kept it up so now he's permanently blocked.]

YouTube says it's accelerating its enforcement of voter fraud claims against President Trump and others based on Wednesday's events.

TikTok is removing content violations and redirecting hashtags like #stormthecapitol and #patriotparty to its community guidelines.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jan 21 - 11:48 PM

Reddit bans subreddit group "r/DonaldTrump"

    Reddit has banned the subreddit group "r/DonaldTrump," a spokesperson confirmed to Axios.

    Why it matters: While not an official group or page hosted by the president, it's one of the company's largest political communities dedicated to support for President Trump.

    What they're saying: "Reddit's site-wide policies prohibit content that promotes hate, or encourages, glorifies, incites, or calls for violence against groups of people or individuals. In accordance with this, we have been proactively reaching out to moderators to remind them of our policies and to offer support or resources as needed," a spokesperson tells Axios.


Meanwhile, more rats are leaving that sinking ship. Trump must be awfully lonely in the White House. Hopefully he heads out to Mar A Lago before someone tells him he'll get attention if he burns the place down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jan 21 - 11:44 PM

General Milley has been consulted regarding those nuclear codes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 21 - 11:19 PM

Yanks and Brits, this US/UK comparative video
shouldn't be a total waste of 15 mins of your time...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIol-QKTW4c


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Jan 21 - 09:27 PM

According to BBC news interview just before 2 am UK time..

There are serious concerns trump still has access to nuclear codes...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 21 - 08:31 PM

You can't remove him from office if he's not in office by natural means any more after the 20th. Fine, if you can get on with it before then. But removing him from office can be done only in one of two ways, via the 25th Amendment or via by conviction by the Senate after impeachment. The latter will not happen, Maggie. Even if it looks to Trump like it might, he will circumvent it by resigning. Please Lord, let me be wrong. We'll be having a very different conversation in a couple of weeks, but, in the meantime, don't underestimate Trump's potential for twists, turns, lies and trickery.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jan 21 - 08:24 PM

There is even a second route for the 25th ammendment that has never been used that bypasses Pense entirely and uses 8 MD's and reprsentatives of each party up to 17 members. It would be titled as a commission and not the cabinate.

Impeachment takes a minimum of 3 days.
Rats are leaving the ship even Lyndsy Graham who is now being called Donald Trump's 'fluffer' here in town. ( A fluffer is—or at least is said to be—someone on a pornographic film set that keeps a male performer's penis erect in between scenes.)
Hypocrites like Ted Cruz and others are in jeopardy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Jan 21 - 08:22 PM

I read that Twitter have now blocked his account.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jan 21 - 07:44 PM

Steve, if he is found guilty and removed from office Trump cannot run again. That's the reason for a second impeachment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 21 - 07:27 PM

I don't know your constitutional nuances at all well, but I can't see there being much appetite, even if it were possible, for a "post facto" impeachment. And the Senate is hardly a massive Democratic Party bastion, is it, so a two-thirds supermajority to convict him is pie in the sky, frankly. If Pence invokes the 25th Amendment, I'll happily eat my hat. But if Trump sees the force to be not with him any more, he may resign. But you seriously don't think he wants to go without trace, do you. As I was saying to Maggie, days of hope can end in bitter tears. As I also said to Maggie, I desperately want to be as wrong as wrong can be. It's not just your country. It's the bloody planet.


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