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BS: Trump Actions and Effects

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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Dec 20 - 12:48 PM

I doubt if anyone will see this but no one knows if the government is shut down or not, not even the people whose job it is to know and issue instructions.
What is known is that the Senate has left town and Donald is off to Mara Lago to possibly never return.
Before leaving he put the Covid Relief Bill into cryro sleep by saying he wants 2 grand for everyone and not just 600 dollars relief. Neither the budget or relief bill has been signed.

Many people in the White House have quit and the threat of putting all civil service workers on Schudule F which means they can be fired with no cause, have already quit.

I'm not joking.

Living on a government paycheck no longer means security.
With 28 days to go we are in a perfect storm of LIMBO.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Dec 20 - 01:01 PM

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/12/23/trump-go-mar-lago-holiday-traffic-5-things-know-wednesday/3931007001/


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Dec 20 - 02:15 PM

I just poked around Google Maps - Mar-a-lago is a straight shot east of the Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach. And that golf club is just across the street from the Palm Beach County Main Detention Center. Maybe Trump can get day passes out to golf if they arrest him.

One reason he probably moved his official residence to Florida is because of their way-generous policy of letting people who are bankrupt keep a whole bunch of stuff.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Dec 20 - 08:41 PM

ha ha ha ha a local neighborhood detention center

Is it really alarmist to say government shut down out loud?
Lincoln closed Congress for 6 months. Trump could do some damage
to the country with no end in sight.

D day is monday.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Dec 20 - 10:00 PM

Donald has VETOED the Defense Bill and has threatened the Omnibus relief bill with a possible veto..
Sorry Pentagon no Xmas for you

Monday is still the designated gov shutdeown day if no signiture is given.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Dec 20 - 05:13 AM

I forgot about the pocket veto which would put the relief budget bill dead after 10 days * except for Sunday. Deliberation would have to begin again at a new Congres. ???

The Defense bill veto could simply be over ridden.

January 6th Trump invited all his Nazi nuts to demonstrate in DC

I don't know how a government shut down effects these events in this limbo cliff hanger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Dec 20 - 10:56 AM

I wonder what kind of tantrum he'll pitch when [if?] they override the veto.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Dec 20 - 04:25 PM

Attorney General Barr is being highlighted in the news now.
He's done some despicable things this past term.
God help us if things go from bad to worse in his department.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Dec 20 - 06:46 PM

The only way Trump can hit the 270 number is to lose 50 pounds.
Its tragic and ridiculus to even have to speak of the Donald.
Being so ridiculous he makes serious political commentators sound ridiculous and comedians sound serious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Dec 20 - 03:46 PM

You suppose he'll try to beat his own record? He shut down the government for 30plus days once before.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Dec 20 - 05:32 PM

Congress passed a law to make sure they still get paid during a shutdown. Some government workers won't be paid.

Look at it this way, he finally will fire everybody.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Dec 20 - 06:18 AM

After hours of irrational tweets berating Congress, Sopreme Court and others, he did sign late last night. Crises of his own making averted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Dec 20 - 11:36 PM

Veto being overriden...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 03:37 PM

If Bill Murry had been there when President Trump was first being briefed on the global pandemic, we could have avoided a quarter million lives.

Bill Murry: "This is going to be real hell fire sir, Biblical destruction, cats and dogs living togethe...

Trump: What can I do?

Bill Murry: "Mr. President, if you lock this thing down with every possible precaution...Donnie, you could save the lives of four million registered voters..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 01:06 PM

Two days ago the newly elected R-congressman from Louisiana died of COVID-19, aged 41. Today I read that a newly elected congresswoman from Florida has tested positive and can't be sworn in on Sunday. (Here.) They may just kill themselves off by disregarding health and safety recommendations. "Salazar, a Republican, said on Twitter she was admitted to a local hospital with heart arrhythmia, commonly known as an irregular heartbeat, on December 23, before being tested for Covid-19. That test came back positive, she said."

And today, there is this: Joe Biden to have new Secret Service team amid concern about Trump loyalty
Although staffing changes are typical, several incidents reportedly contributed to the heightened concerns from Biden’s allies that some agents and officers might be loyal to Trump.

Some members of the president’s detail reportedly urged their colleagues not to wear masks during trips, for example – despite the federal government’s official guidance on Covid-19 – as Trump himself disparaged mask-wearing and held out for months before being seen wearing one in public.

In what was described as an “unprecedented” move, the Secret Service had permitted former detail leader Anthony Ornato to temporarily leave his role and serve as White House deputy chief of staff.

Ornato was among the coordinators of the June photo op for which Trump marched through Washington DC’s Lafayette Square to stand with a Bible – after peaceful protesters were forced from the area by troops on federal order, sparking uproar in political circles as well as among the public.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 01:31 PM

SRS, that seems like a sensible move by Biden. It would be a tricky situation, trying to work out who to trust and who are the rats in the ranks.

And I have been thinking exactly the same thought about Trunp's supporters: "They may just kill themselves off by disregarding health and safety recommendations."

On another note, this song kept popping into my head over the last couple of weeks. I finally worked out why.

He's making a list,
And checking it twice;
Gonna find out who's naughty and nice.
Trumpty-Dumpty's pardoning his friends.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 04:23 AM

It seems to me that the Orange One is edging awfully close to inciting insurrection.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Helen
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 05:16 AM

Oops. Typo. Trump - not Trunp, although Trunp might be a Freudian slip related to truncated, i.e. a truncated stay in the White House.

Ebbie, I just read a couple of news items hinting that Trump returned to Washington because he might be plotting to challenge the final sign-off on the electoral college votes. Not a surprise, really but its success probably depends on how many of his supporters are still steadfastly in place on his sinking ship.

I'm still hoping he gets evicted as a trespasser when his time is up in the White House. I'm also hoping it is televised.

I also keep wondering how long it will be before Hollywood immortalises this whole saga and which political direction the fiction will veer towards.

The giant Trump-baby balloon seems more and more relevant the longer this saga continues. He certainly does not appear to be behaving as a mature, responsible adult but more like a tantrum throwing spoilt brat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 03:53 PM

I agree, Helen - I hope his eviction is televised. And I hope the National Archives are able to save all of the papers and records and files that his gang are no doubt destroying as fast as they can.

I look forward to reading about what the incoming administration finds and shares about Trump, but not to the point that nothing gets done. We could use a short time to wallow in the "we knew they were up to no good" news, then move on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 08:51 PM

The news of this weekend and this Monday is redolant of the phonecall that trump made to the Georgia elections official entreating/ suggesting/ recommending that the officals either negate their state vote tallies or amend them to give Trump a majority. He wasn't fussy about what actual numbers they would develop so much as they gave him a majority of one or more.
Story here.

So it's another phone call. It is suborning illegal activity, possibly perjury, and is totally equivalent to the kind of crap he tried to pull with the President of Ukraine, and didn't get away with.

Let's see how fast we can do another impeachement trial...Just sayin'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jan 21 - 02:05 AM

Tonight on one of the MSNBC talking head shows a pundit with Supreme Court case experience said that the suggestion he be impeached in the next two weeks isn't illogical - it would establish the fact that he can't run for office again if he is found guilty this time. That would be worth the turmoil, otherwise he'll be a perpetual bad penny, coming back again and again any time he can gin up enough media attention with antics, attached to the threat to run for office in four years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Ebbie
Date: 05 Jan 21 - 04:29 AM

Yes, Stilly River Sage, that was Neal Katyal; I wouldn't mind seeing him as Biden's Attorney General, except that I already have a couple of other highly qualified people in mind for that position. The Democrats have a plethora of wonderful candidates for just about every post, so different from the dregs from which the Orange One chose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 21 - 06:36 PM

Fortunatly for all of us, Trump is a coward compared to Hitler. In the same position as Trump when Adolf was made chancellor by "senators" who thought they could control a useful idiot corporal, they did not forsee another coup and murder of fellow politicals.
If Twitchy the proud boy kills at the behest of Trump's wild days (Jan6) declaration its not on Donald. I doubt if Trump could shoot a disloyal Pense in the balls on 5th ave. either. A self pardon is too iffy. :^/
Could the Godfather contract a hit on Joe? Its a quantum universe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 05:31 AM

Killing Biden (a new book title for that sleaze who was fired by Fox News?) won't alter the fact that trump's term ends on the 20th, unless they figure out a way to use the constitution for tinder.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 08:29 AM

Tkank you Mr.Trump. Thank you Mr. McConnell.
With your help by Sedition and cutting Covid relief by 70%
a Black, a Jew and a Woman's deciding vote has allowed
Democrats to take over the Senate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 10:28 AM

Neal Katyal - I knew his name, just not how to spell it. I do wish MSNBC would put up the names of people on those split screens.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 01:01 PM

5,000 maskless people gathered to hear Trump outside today.

The loudest cheer came when Donald said BULLSHIT.
After an hour of bitter sore loser rants the crowd started going from foot to foot. They all had to pee. This body language was lost on Trump


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 02:31 PM

The President has been egging on his crowd to attack the capitol building. No yolk, they did and a few hundred got in. The Senators and Congressmen adjourned. Reporting is scrambled.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jos
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 02:50 PM

BBC radio news played a recording of a Trump supporter today describing his president, Donald Trump, as the 'Lord Jesus Christ'.
I find that scary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 02:56 PM

There is no coordinated police response to the capitol attack.
The few that were there were beaten back. They must be those good people Trump talks about. There is an armed stand off inside the front door


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 03:19 PM

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/congress-electoral-college-vote-count-2021/h_4802bd3869eb3a4bc6512083add579df



I've seen pictures of guns drawn as a window is breached.
I have seen pictures of a protester sitting in Pense's Senate chair.


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Subject: RE: BS: A Changed USA Senate!
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 03:28 PM

So the Trumper morons have stormed the capitol. Much discussion a out what should be done. I'm fine with shooting the ones in there, and also the ones swarming the white house. At the very least, prosecute them all - every last one - as traitors. Perhaps the president, too. Impeach his ass - NOW.

(And they were bitching a bout Antifa.)
I moved this into this thread to hopefully limit having multiple threads talking about the same insurrection. -mod (JC)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 03:39 PM

Now its more violent. At least one person has been shot

There is no National Guard that the mayor called for days ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 03:44 PM

It seems the US military could be considered an internal terrorist training cult..???

How to deradicalise their extreme right wing brainwashing
when military personnel
retire to become civilians again...?????


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 03:52 PM

The military has no fucking thing to do with this. I'm ex-military, and have friends who've retired. As far as I know, we're all pretty much dedicated to the way the country is supposed to be. Oddly enough, everyone I know voted for Obama, too. The "brainwashing" also has something to do with getting people to think the military is right-wing.
The National Guard has been called in to help end it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 03:56 PM

Treason, rebellion, sedition is being well demonstrated today.

These are not patriots they are modern day nazi brown shirts acting on orders of their Feurer.

This is not a peaceful transfer of power.
In two hours it will be dark. Maybe then police can be called.
I wonder how this would look If black lives matter occuppied the capitol, broke the windows and stormed the offices.
Good people on both sides huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 04:12 PM

Right now Joe Biden is on national TV calling it 'insurrection'.

Other than that, I recommend that folks not take to reporting their take on what is happening. A lot of what is being posted is more fear than fact.

What is being lost, and has been over the past years, is a willingness to arbitrate our disagreements by discussion and a willingness to accept the decency of our opponents.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 04:28 PM

The USA should be run by a Council of Native Americans & those who don't like it can repatriate to Europe, Africa, etc. The Trump family, e.g., may choose Scotland or Slovenia; & Biden has said "I'm Irish"; my WalkaboutsVerse poem on "Land Rights"


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 04:28 PM

Jeri - just offering a sarcastic UK perspective..

We tend to see mainly [purported] US Vets
presenting armed to the teeth extremist 'patriot' right wing youtube videos...

Biden just asked sadly how the rest of the world see you...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 04:46 PM

WashPo reports someone shot, at the Capitol. Great.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 05:39 PM

I am watching local news. I see the Trump mob attacking and chasing AP and other news crews away abbandoning their equipment like expensive large cameras, microphones and electronic cases yelling :enemies of the people. Some was looted but the remaining equipment was being stomped on.
robo sigh, don't be a fool. You are too smart for that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 05:41 PM

Funny I have not seen a single arrest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 05:51 PM

The GOOD news is that floor staff acted on their own and hid the official electoral ballots (in 3 beautiful wooden trunks and other boxes) before the mob broke into the Senate chamber.
They have NOT been vandalized or burned.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 06:13 PM

If none of those rioters are arrested for sedition then there is some kind of inside nonsense going on to protect them. And it was too easy for the rioters to get control of the capitol - who was in charge of security for all of this?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 06:29 PM

OK, Punky - my bad. I'm probably taking everything too seriously just now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 06:38 PM

There were far too many idiots out there to manage mass arrests. Perhaps some were. Some folks were tear gassed and pepper-sprayed. I saw vans & buses coming & going... but the main goal was to get everything secured.
Curfew in place since 6PM.
Congress swears they will reconvene somewhere and finish their business.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 06:46 PM

This is far from over. There will undoubtedly be an investigation as to how the Capitol was breached by protestors. Someone was apparently shot by law enforcement and I have heard on the radio that they expired.

But let's not lose focus, as the current occupant and his extreme partisans (and DonTrumpuel) would have us do:

The latest Trump Action and Effect:

His tireless campaign to reelect two Georgia (Republican) Senators has resulted in the narrow but confirmed election of two Democratic Senators and a crack at a Biden Presidency with a Democratically effective Senate and House.

Yes, Virginia, there IS a Sanity Claus!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 07:05 PM

dear robo, do you have any evidence or proof that I have ever incited anyone to do anything? Your misinformation chestnut has spoiled and would be dangerous for anyone to eat.

Stilly I have avoided using the i word (inside job)
Moreso there was at least two weeks of planning by the proud boys. A small 5,000 crowd at the white house was joined from many side streets to 30,000 by the time people reached the capitol.

I do not blame the capitol police. They are trained to handle a lone gunman or small cadre. The windows and side doors of the capitol building are old and easily breached. Your average small bank has unbreakable windows.

The building is now called secure. It is not yet cleared for use but Pelosi is determined to resume tonight.











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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 07:28 PM

Anyone else willing to pretend none of those maskless 'patriots' who broke into the capital were infectious? I hope they have a can of Lysol.

So far no zip tie arrests even for people carrying off government property or media equipment. hmmm


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 08:22 PM

DonTrumpuel:

You are simply the anti-Trump Trump. You peddle stuff that maybesometimes is allied to reality but by no means is guaranteed. Your successive post-on-posts does not contribute to the light. And it encourages a lot of cats to follow the laser pointer instead of the point.

Along with Trump you remind us that man must not completely lose his sense of smell.

For those who want current facts there is the current news. All DonTrumpuel does is repeat some of the one, or maybe add to some of the repeated stuff, or maybe not. I take it as observational and it is not always a dead loss. But sometimes it's a waste of time.


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