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BS: Trump Actions and Effects

robomatic 24 Jul 20 - 01:32 AM
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Subject: Trump Effects 2016-2020
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Jul 20 - 01:32 AM

Part One

Back in 2003 I was working out of my home state. I was sent to California to work in a refinery near Oakland. And California hit the big time news with a successful effort to recall Governor Gray Davis from his second term. My closest of kin was a native Californian who found the recal ridiculous. For one thing the newly reelected Democratic governor was perfectly honest and capable. The Republican legislator who sponsored the recall was notoriously not so. And then when the recall was successful, he backed out of the whole thing and did not run to replace Davis himself.

What followed was a political maelstrom with over a hundred contenders and a fracas that was simultaneously horror show and low comedy that would have kept Spitting Image busy with tons of papier mache had they still been around. And long story short, California got The Governator. Arnold Schwarzeneggar was elected, served a full term, and was reelected.

The next year, The Apprentice ‘reality show’ premiered with Donald Trump. I watched some of the early episodes. Trump did not take to the screen very much in the episodes I saw. The contending novices and the tasks set them took up the bulk of the show and provided the competitive tension. Trump would furnish the gravitas as the ‘decider’ at a final boardroom showdown and got to utter the immortal phrase: “you’re fired!”. Right from the start I could not see why anyone would humiliate themselves to be subjected to that man’s judgment. I would find it defiling, but then, in America the trappings of wealth, power and competence is accepted as a substitute for the real thing in so many cases. Fronting a reality show is definitely one of those cases.

That show with Donald Trump went on until 2015. Then Trump left for possibly higher things, and the show morphed into Celebrity Apprentice with guess who as the new decider:

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Effects 2016-2020
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Jul 20 - 12:28 PM

Did he never say "you will be back"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Effects 2016-2020
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Jul 20 - 12:55 PM

LOL -actually it was a chuckle-


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Effects 2016-2020
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 25 Jul 20 - 03:31 AM

I wish you hadn't mentioned Spitting Image. It got me remembering the two Davids (David Owen with David Steele in his pocket) and asking myself if is they would portray Trump and Johnson as conjoined twins - then the imagery got worse when I remember what Johnson was slang for - Trump with a talking Johnson in his trousers. Surprised that Steve Bell hasn't picked up on this - I suppose the imagery would be too much even for the Guardian.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Effects 2016-2020
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Jul 20 - 12:41 AM

Good story, robomatic.

You probably are aware that we're trying to recall our governor? I don't know the man personally but what convinced me is what he did to the ferries that fed our offshore islands. Deplorable. A tRump wannabe, if I ever saw one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Effects 2016-2020
From: Jos
Date: 26 Jul 20 - 01:26 AM

"what Johnson was slang for"
Well, that's one I hadn't come across before. Maybe it's a US thing. I suppose Americans know what a "trump" is (aside from the card-playing meaning)?


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Subject: BS: Federal Funding and jurisdictions
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Sep 20 - 09:38 PM

This is really ominous to me --
if the US Government in its branches
(executive and judicial, here)
can go this far,
I hate to think what is next.

in response to Trump memorandum


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Subject: RE: BS: Federal Funding and jurisdictions
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Sep 20 - 10:35 PM

From Keberoxu's link:
    The U.S. Department of Justice today identified the following three jurisdictions that have permitted violence and destruction of property to persist and have refused to undertake reasonable measures to counteract criminal activities: New York City; Portland, Oregon; and Seattle, Washington. The Department of Justice is continuing to work to identify jurisdictions that meet the criteria set out in the President’s Memorandum and will periodically update the list of selected jurisdictions as required therein.

    The list was published on DOJ’s website today in response to President Trump’s memorandum of September 2, 2020, entitled “Memorandum on Reviewing Funding to State and Local Government Recipients That Are Permitting Anarchy, Violence, and Destruction in American Cities.”


Well, the election is in November. This decree won't make Trump popular in these cities.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Federal Funding and jurisdictions
From: keberoxu
Date: 27 Sep 20 - 12:11 PM

To me it smacks of the Soviet Union and the KGB.
Well, this country already has gulags ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Sep 20 - 12:25 PM

I moved this "Federal Funding and jurisdictions" topic over here. We're ending up with a lot of Trump threads, and I have to agree with the UK contingent - if we're going to limit them to the number of UK politic threads they start we need to keep the Trump threads under control as well. There are plenty to go around.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 05:22 AM

I've been awfully afraid of the outcome of the upcoming presidential election. But after tonight's debate between the current pResident and Joe Biden I can only say grimly:if anyone still supports the Golden Ass they deserve him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 10:58 AM

There was a term used in an interview recently that I can't get my hands on how via a search. The interviewee said that people have trouble predicting a different future when looking at current events. That they tend to see more of the same in the future instead of a decisive change.

This is certainly the case now - several friends who fully intend to vote for Biden have expressed sorrow that they're afraid Trump will win anyway. Simply because they're so miserable now they can't see enough people pulling it together to make a change.

I'm optimistic enough to read the current political climate as a whole bunch of people who are working hard to get out the vote, because what they most fear is another Trump term. And if they keep working, they will see positive results.

If nothing else, last night's series of "non-presidential" interruptions by Trump will spur Democrats on to go ahead and vote (if they haven't already. I mailed my ballot yesterday, figuring five weeks will be enough to reach the election administrator).


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: keberoxu
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 06:06 PM

And at long last
there has been a parting of the ways
between Donald Trump and the Drudge Report
(according to the New York Times).


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Subject: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: Elmore
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 01:10 AM

The latest news on MSNBC declares that Donald J. Trump and his wife have tested positive for what he claimed was the disappearing virus. Nancy Pelosi is praying for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 03:42 AM

Or at least it’s a way of avoiding any further televised debates? He made a complete bell-end of himself on the one the other night, perhaps he and his controllers have decided enough is enough and pulled this stunt to save face?


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 04:33 AM

I can't help but be cynical and think it's a publicity stunt, he will come back (early) and say it was no more than a cold and we shouldn't be taking precaution, wearing masks etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 05:12 AM

I can certainly see that happening, Raggytash. Or if he is more affected but recovers in a week or two, claim that shows how super-fit and resilient he is. Or, if it a bit worse, seek the sympathy vote. Really, there are a lot of ways to play it if he is not actually hospitalized.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 06:57 AM

There are so many ways in which this announcement could get a bit more support for Trump that I very much doubt its veracity.
But if it's true, to wish that it would carry him off isn't morally defensible.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 07:00 AM

I was reading that there is much uncertainty about what would happen to all the mail-in votes that have already been cast which have his name on them if Trump died or withdrew. In the accounts I have read, it is not clear if any votes cast for him would automatically transfer to another nominee. Even the votes cast for Biden could be in some doubt, since saying you prefer Biden to Trump does not inherently say you prefer Biden to A. N. Other.

On the UK side of the ocean this passes almost in a single comment, but presumably it is exercising people on the US side more. I'd be interested in hearing comments on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 07:08 AM

At this moment I can't of anything that would be more beneficial to mankind than for this would-be dictator to exit this mortal realm, perhaps we could get those children on the southern border reunited with their families. Unfortunately the statistics indicate he's liable to weather this even though he's elderly, fat, eats garbage and doesn't exercise beyond playing golf out of a cart.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 07:34 AM

Also with his passing and the election of a new administration we're sure to get a serious response to the virus which will save untold numbers of lives.
If he does pull through expect a whole new raft of lies and misinformation from the White House about the virus that will lead to even more death and illness.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 08:01 AM

This has also caused the cancellation of this weekend's planned super-spreader events in Wisconsin, without masks and social distancing, which will no doubt save lives up there as there will be no additional trump cultists spreading the virus among their fellow citizens.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mr Red
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 08:17 AM

I think that Twitler going viral may just ensure he doesn't win. But will he leave?

Hey - give him some of his bleach, that'll solve the problemo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 08:27 AM

Incidentally Spitting Image is back to tomorrow, though only on the streaming service Britbox. The trailer on YouTube and the releases of pictures of the new puppets look very promising and pretty savage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 08:50 AM

There has been talk (on NPR this AM) of what will happen with the election. He's on the ballot. If Pence has to be sworn in, will votes for Trump automatically go to Pence?
I think it might be believed that he and Melania got it from Hope Hicks, but it's speculation, and more is coming out about this as time goes on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 09:02 AM

Who knows if Hicks infected them but the WH knew of her infection in advance of his fund-raising trip to New Jersey.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-10-02-20-intl/h_da0bc1f63ac9a7ab1e5ea0a4135723b7

Maybe trump's illness will inspire a number of his numbnutz followers to take CDC guidelines seriously at long last.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 09:45 AM

At the least it's a wake-up.
People politicized mask wearing.
Can't politicize Covid-19.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 10:09 AM

Unfortunately, this as close to evil as humanly possible man
can afford the finest emergency health care on this planet;
to help him claim how super human Übermensch fit he is
to shrug off this minor inconvenience harmless virus...

Would it be more beneficial for humanity
if covid kills trump,
or permanently reduces him to a feeble dribbling invalid old man...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: Jeri
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 10:11 AM

He's gone from having a positive test to having "mild Covid symptoms" in only the past few hours, so I think it's too early to know what will happen.

...not that he or his toadies will tell anybody if he DOES get really sick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 10:11 AM

I don't want him to suffer, I just want him gone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Orange Clown gets the virus
From: gillymor
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 10:33 AM

Ironically, his surrogates, including his idiot son, Don Jr., have been spreading unfounded rumors about Joe Biden's health.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 10:47 AM

I saw the thread title and said to meself: "That's interesting!" totally forgetting who the OP....

But I've got another Trump story. A 45 year old Trump story.

I took Russian language in high school. Really loved it because aside from the wonderful flow of the phonemes and the fact that the Russian teacher was the best teacher in school, a massive presence who could entertain and terrify at the same time, we had a huge supply of a magazine called "Soviet Life". These magazines were the result of an agreement between the U.S. and U.S.S.R. which encouraged mutual understanding. They published a magazine for Americans in English with stories of life in the Soviet Union. We published a magazine for Russians in Russian with stories about our side of the world. Their magazine was very print heavy with large low definition black and white photos I even remember fingerprints from the dark room visible on a page sized print. Our magazines were a little thinner with glossy color prints. Their magazine piled up mostly unread in our libraries and as it happens in my Russian language schoolroom. I found out that our magazine was gobbled up within minutes of going on sale because I happened by such an event in the USSR one day.

Anyhow, while confined in classroom with little to do I opened one of the Soviet mags and saw a question and answer section about life in Soviet Russia. Someone had asked the question: "What do Soviets think about political jokes?" The answer in the magazine was pretentious and serious, all about having a proper regard for the seriousness of public office and considerations as to proper sense of levity balanced against the need to appreciate humor. But even young ignorant teenager that I was I already knew the correct answer to the question:

"Political jokes are fine, as long as they don't get elected!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 11:57 AM

I moved some of the "Orange clown" posts here and closed the other thread. Seriously, we already have too many Trump threads going, and just as we're trying to restrict the number of UK political threads, it isn't necessary to start a new thread any time some new Trump event or insult happens.

That said, if someone starts a thread where there is a sober discussion of constitutional questions during this time, with good links to responsible journalism, that would be welcome. The closed one was mostly a gloating thread and the content can join the rest of the Trump chatter in this tread.



That thread has been started.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Charley Noble
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 01:17 PM

The President is certainly a candidate for "Super-Spreader of the Year."

The worst quip I've seen this morning was with regard to Biden's prospects for victory in November: "There is always hope!"

Cheerily,
Charlie Ipcar (previously known as Charley Noble)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 04:54 AM

One way and another I suspect this could save thousands of lives. It could mean the end of the crazy situation where it appears that millions of Trump's true believers see wearing a mask or social distancing as treachery. It's been estimated that if all Americans started to behave rationally in those matters it would cut the predicted death rate over the next few months by a significant amount.

I was watching a White House correspondent on the BBC commenting on the way that the White House atmosphere had totally changed, and instead of no-one wearing masks (the President didn't like them to) they all were.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 05:01 AM

I wish trump and his wife a speedy recovery - then the mocking can restart!!!!!!!! Is he wearing his jacket in hospital I wonder!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 09:41 AM

The gathering in the Rose Garden last week looks like it was a super-spreader event with little social distancing, a lot of glad handing and about 50 mask wearers among about 180 attendees. WTF is wrong with these people, they're suppose to be leading us out of this pandemic.
Essence.com

Fortunately trump was waylaid by the virus before he could hold his event in Green Bay today where public health officials are reporting that their hospitals are overwhelmed with COVID cases.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 10:34 AM

The Rose Garden event has led to 6 confirmed cases, including Mr. Trump. The Supreme Court nominee and her husband have already recovered from the coronavirus infection so they are not a factor.

The Debate in Cleveland has led to 11 confirmed cases among out of state staff informed in planning and set-up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 01:36 PM

Jos, do tell.

I have heard of the last trump and of coming up trumps and of bridge-whist-spades-type trumps, what am I missing?

And I thought Johnson was British, I coulda sworn it came from that Monty Python skit, with John Thomas and one-eyed trouser snake. Which I shall now go find.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 03:07 PM

They are a factor if you can catch COVID-19 again. It hasn't been proven that there is long-term immunity after recovery.


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Subject: RE: Constitutional Questions re Trump has SARS-CoV2
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 03:30 PM

well they are all puppets
The Man in the Mask

Notes: words and music by Malvina Reynolds; copyright 1971 Schroder Music Company, renewed 1999. A portrait of Richard Nixon, and Richard Nixons in general.


Come sit down beside me before the big T.V.
And watch the funny pictures they have there to look at,
Shampoo for your hair and the last polar bear,
And the man on the moon who was walking around
Then left, leaving junk on the once virgin ground.

There's old timey movies with old fashioned dresses,
The kidnap of babies and other such messes,
There's football and baseball and guys selling cars,
And then there's The Man in the Mask.

Chorus:
They say it's his face, but I just can't believe it.
It looks like a mask that I saw in the store.
It talks with deep feeling about ending some war
And stopping inflation, and it's so fantastic,
You'll cry while you're laughing, and roll on the floor.

Every four years he puts a new mask on.
Each one is worse than the one he had before,
But the words are the same and the same earnest manner,
About ending inflation and stopping the war.

The sponsors paid out a million of millions
To get him up there with his magic routine,
But it's really a bargain, 'cause there's such a margin
In war and inflation and the big T.V. screen
That gives us The Man in the Mask.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jos
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 04:44 PM

For Mrrzy

https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/trump-fart.1529620/


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 05:50 PM

‘Trump’ is in very common usage in the UK as a slang term for the act of breaking wind. In my own family it has always been regarded as a somewhat polite term, suitable for children - whereas ‘fart’ is regarded as vulgar.

Donald Trump has thus always been regarded as a figure of ridicule by many British people because of his extremely unfortunate surname.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 05:58 PM

And his grandfather chose it for them. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 07:11 PM

Anybody who went to that super spreader meeting to launch Amy Barrett's nomination without wearing a mask, including Amy Barrett, is clearly so stupid that it would be totally irresponsible to put them on the SupremeCourt, regardless of any other issues.

The same obviously goes for the President, but that's a matter of a much wider electorate. The Senator's have a much more direct responsibility as individuals. Ordinary voters can always be pretty sure their single vote won't make a crucial difference. The Senators don't have that let out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 06:34 AM

I saw a video yesterday on CNN that showed Barret sitting in the White House with her children in close proximty to Melania just before the Rose Garden event and all were maskless.
As for Dr. Conley it seems that everyone in trump's orbit has only a passing acquaintance with the truth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 09:20 AM

Risking the lives of her children in that way was a breathtaking level of irresponsibility.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 10:22 AM

It seems that with three GOP senators out ill with COVID19 they don't have enough votes for the senate confirmation. Dog works in mysterious ways indeed!


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 10:23 AM

If Barret has a confirmation hearing, and I sincerely hope that the religious zealot does not, let's hope that disgraceful little tableau comes up along with her maskless presence at the WH super-spreader event.
A new NBC/WSJ poll has Biden up by 14 points, trump is going to have to go a ways to steal this election but don't think he won't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Oct 20 - 10:37 AM

Trump is continuing the negative ads against Biden, despite Biden pulling his negative ads while the pResident is in the hospital. Trump wouldn't understand Grace if it bit him in the ass (which, of course, Grace would never do).


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