BS: Trump Actions & Effects (NO new Trmp threads!)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 06:59 AM

New England Patriots head coach Bill Bellichick refused the Medal of Freedom from trump with an eloquent statement. Pardon my cynicism but the old coach would have lost his locker room if he'd accepted. Besides, trump has obviously cheapened the award when you consider recent recipients, lackeys Devin Nunez and Jim Jordan.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 07:00 AM

a minor note in these days of irony:
It strikes me funny that Tik Tok banned the president before the president could ban Tik Tok.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 07:09 AM

With all this banishment from social media platforms he's no doubt building up a lot of stifled crazy that's sure to burst forth in some manner.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 07:14 AM

True but exposure to the truth is also more likely to happen in a vacume of the crazy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 08:02 AM

Reality is glorius and awful but populist fake reality is worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 09:15 AM

Interesting article here, copied from a live feed. I don't know how widely it is being discussed.

John Nichols writes for the Nation on how a 14th Amendment strategy could bar Trump from ever holding office again.

To imagine that Trump will fade away after January 20 requires the denial of everything Americans know about the president’s massive ego, his aversion to being seen as a loser, and his determination to avenge his defeat in the 2020 election.

Added to the Constitution after the Civil War, the 14th Amendment is a blunt instrument, which mandates in its third section: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who … shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

Section 5 of the amendment declares, “The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”

This is why focusing on the 14th Amendment is relevant. As Pulitzer Prize–winning historian Eric Foner reminds us, the House and Senate House could, with a simple majority vote, censure Trump for inciting insurrection and, with the approval of a President Joe Biden, effectively bar Trump from running again for the presidency.

“This can be invoked against anyone who has ever taken an oath to support the Constitution, including the president,” Foner says of the 14th Amendment. “It’s much simpler than impeachment. It is not a judicial proceeding. It’s a political proceeding. It doesn’t involve lawyers or trials. It is simply about qualification for office. You could have one afternoon of debate and a vote.”

Read more details here: The Nation – How a 14th Amendment strategy could bar Trump from ever holding office again

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 10:36 AM

An article regarding section 3 of the 14th amendment by Bruce Ackerman also appeared in the Washington Post this morning.
WaPo
It sounds like a good alternative to Impeachment but there needs to be a thorough investigation into all the wrongdoing of the current administration by Congress and all relevant agencies or we risk seeing another would-be strongman attempt to overthrow our government.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 10:49 AM

As discussed earlier, the 14th has never been used.
It was created as a response to the civil war ending.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 11:57 AM

Doesn't mean it can't be used now .......... does it?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 12:05 PM

The drafters of the constitution never foresaw semi auto machine guns either,
but it don't stop amendments being cynically manipulated and distorted to suit partisan 21st century agendas...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 01:38 PM

Trmp has served, is serving, a larger purpose in the same way that America has in the past actually turned sh$t into shinola.

It is not Trmp's fault that he was elected. It is our fault. He was elected by the Constitutional regulations that established the electoral college system. And his folks made the rational argument that that is exactly what they worked for, if a majority vote was required, that would have been their strategy. Instead they worked the political border states which the Democrats assumed was part of their 'blue wall'. They exploited weakness in a perfectly legitimate way according to the Constitution.

You can say with truth that Trmp has been a fault detector. And we got it when we needed it. It is our job to recognize it as such and use what we've learned to fix our system and protect us for the time when the enemies of democracy will be, for want of a better word, competent.

Getting rid of Trmp is not fixing the system, merely getting rid of the stain showing where the disease is in the cells, the hiss of the pressure showing the leak in the tire, that stain you can put on your teeth to show where your brush does not get at the plaque. It is a kind of gift you get that you don't want, but if you work it, it will save you.

There's work to do, a lot of work to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 01:53 PM

Interesting comment, robomatic. I did wonder if there might be a new Ammendment to try to limit some of the extremes we have seen. But I can't see what the draft would be. Nor can I see enough states voting for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 04:23 PM

"Getting rid of Trmp is not fixing the system, merely getting rid of the stain showing where the disease is in the cells, the hiss of the pressure showing the leak in the tire"
- nice.



"Be ready to fight. Congress needs to hear glass breaking, doors being kicked in and blood from their BLM and Panifa slave soldiers being spilled. Get violent, stop calling this a march or a rally or a protest. Get ready for war."
- not nice.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 04:30 PM

.. apparently we've got it all wrong.. silly us..

trumpzis have obtained absolute indisputable truth
it was antifa to blame,
leading the riot disguised as law abiding trump supporters..

.. trump is innocent...!!!

got it...???

ok...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 04:37 PM

I have smelled pungent blood but thankfully I have never heard blood.

The nazi group even had written rules of engagement as to when to shoot or not.

Last I looked there are 122 Congress people holdng firm onto Trump racism and by association sedition.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 06:01 PM

Yeah, the extremists are still extreme, now with St. girl-who-got-shot.

The RushLimbows are doubling down. They are blaming the victim playing the "whatabout" game and projecting their motivations and emotions onto their opponents.

Really depressing was watching the Sunday talking heads shows interviewing former Trump chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and he was saying how when he was in the White House Trump was reasonable, just 'don't know what happened since I left'... This was unbelievable and reprehensible.

As I'm typing this NPR is going into a special report on the House of Representatives' resolution to issue the second impeachment of Trmp. 1800 Hours East Coast U.S. time.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 07:16 PM

To to perfectly clear robo is a good man. Contentious but good.

I had a dream that when I woke up I saw Lawrence Fishburn and others standing over me. I was presented with 2 capsules, one red and one blue. Since I always pick the red candy I took the Red one. After some surreal gyrations I found myself with a socket in the back of my neck and enraged that the honorable Donald J Trump had his election stolen.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 07:31 PM

When I actually woke up I had a lingering feeling that as far as Trump is concerned, in his mind what happaned at the capitol was a peaceful transition of power. He was just getting even.
It coulda been worse despite the lingering seditionists

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 07:37 PM

It doesn't seem to be on any of the news networks but I have the Washington Post website up and they're broadcasting it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 07:46 PM

broadcasting what?

Anyway I discovred that the TV was on as I slept and republicans were all jusifying the republican party and themselves as they said they would not go quietly into the night but Democrats should Christian forgive and forget, turn the page, let trump be trump, may old acquaintence be forgot and let bygones be bygones.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 07:56 PM

I'm watching the vote now. The Repubs voting NAY did so in a hurry. The Democrats are voting slowly.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 08:39 PM

Without SNL (Saturday Night Live) and Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, currently on hiatus until February, my go-to television synopsis guy is Steven Colbert. So far he has never been less than appropriate. A couple nights ago he was inspired. If I remember his short pungent take on the Capitol uprising it was:

Old Man 2020: "I'm the worst year ever!"

Young Man 2021: "Hold My Beer!"

Is there current Spitting Image on the east side of the pond?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 08:48 PM

The vote that Donuel's talking about is a vote to invoke the 25th amendment, which Congress doesn't have a tiny little thing to do with.

Just for show. Just to make sure everybody divides up properly, according to party.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 09:02 PM

The paint has dried but the vote goes on, yawn.

The vote goes on
and the vote goes on
beating all the
bone heads in the brain

If you're nazi and you're fired slap your face
If you're nazi and you're fired slap your face
If you're spotted in the mob and you lose your fucking job
If you're nazi and you're fired you're disgraced

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 09:19 PM

Christ on a bike.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 09:45 PM

Steve, it's less frustrating to just step around it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 09:50 PM

So
stepping carefully around the manic puddle
there are something like five Republicans who say they'll vote to impeach. There is a possibility McConnell may be among them. I hope he DOES vote for impeachment, but it doesn't change my opinion of him. I think he just looks for what will benefit him, and couldn't care less about the public.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 05:06 AM

But if McConnell DOES vote for impeachment, he will draw unknown numbers of GOP senators with him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 05:35 AM

A vote to impeach is a foregone conclusion. A vote to convict in the Senate is a whole nother thing, though I hear that a few Republican senators are thinking of jumping ship...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 06:46 AM

There are 20 Republican Senators whose term comes to an end in 2022, so they will be campaigning in 2021, I expect. I would not like to predict how they would vote, but I will predict they will think about that very carefully.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 07:29 AM

Impeachment is certain and with McConnell changing his mind, conviction is more likely. The crime is sedition. The real crime is murder - the murder of truth in america.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 07:48 AM

Democrats could become more radicalized in response to the capitol attack response. I hear more of them asking why the capitol police did not shoot more rioters dead. That kind of talk does not help.
Don't take the civil war bait.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 08:22 AM

alternatives for the Trump lies

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 08:26 AM

Moscow Mitch seems to be supporting impeachment which would make a conviction much more likely.

YouTube suspends trump's account joining all his other major social media platforms.

NYT reports trump told Pence that he would be considered a pussy if he didn't violate the Constitution.

The old bastard is careening down the slope in a flaming toboggan, it's about time. Pass the popcorn.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 08:35 AM

Some of the same GOP congressman who tried to disenfranchise millions of voters on Jan. 6 are condemning a 2nd impeachment on the grounds that it would cause disunity. Mind boggling.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: gillymor
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 08:49 AM

I found yesterday's letter from the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the troops comforting:

MEMORANDUM FOR THE JOINT FORCE
SUBJECT: MESSAGE TO THE JOINT FORCE

The American people have trusted the Armed Forces of the United States to protect them and our Constitution for almost 250 years. As we have done throughout our history, the U.S. military will obey lawful orders from civilian leadership, support civil authorities to protect lives and property, ensure public safety in accordance with the law, and remain fully committed to protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

The violent riot in Washington, D.C. on January 6, 2021 was a direct assault on the U.S. Congress, the Capitol building, and our Constitutional process. We mourn the deaths of the two Capitol policemen and others connected to these unprecedented events.

We witnessed actions inside the Capitol building that were inconsistent with the rule of law. The rights of freedom of speech and assembly do not give anyone the right to resort to violence, sedition and insurrection.

As Service Members, we must embody the values and ideals of the Nation. We support and defend the Constitution. Any act to disrupt the Constitutional process is not only against our traditions, values, and oath; it is against the law.

On January 20, 2021, in accordance with the Constitution, confirmed by the states and the courts, and certified by Congress, President-elect Biden will be inaugurated and will become our 46th Commander in Chief.

To our men and women deployed and at home, safeguarding our country-stay ready, keep your eyes on the horizon, and remain focused on the mission. We honor your continued service in defense of every American.

[signed]

Mark A. Milley
General, U.S. Army
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

John E. Hyten
General, U.S. Air Force
Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

James C. McConville
General, U.S. Army
Chief of Staff of the Army

David H. Berger
General, U.S. Marine Corps
Commandant of the Marine Corps

Michael M. Gilday
Admiral, U.S. Navy
Chief of Naval Operations

Charles Q. Brown, Jr.
General, U.S. Air Force
Chief of Staff of the Air Force

John W. Raymond
General, U.S. Space Force
Chief of Space Operations

Daniel R. Hokanson
General, U.S. Army
Chief of the National Guard Bureau

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 09:13 AM

Flaming tobogin Ha
The wall st journal and McConnll agree trump is impeachable

BEHIND BLUE EYES
No one knows what it's like
To be the bad man
To be the mad man
Behind trump eyes
And no one knows what it's like
To be hated
To be fated to telling only lies
But my dreams they aren't as empty
As my golf course seems to be
I have hours, only lonely
My love is vengeance
That's never free
No one knows what its like
To feel these feelings
Like I do
And I blame you
No one bites back as hard
On their anger
None of my pain and woe
Can show through
But my dreams they aren't as empty
As my hotels seem to be
I have hours, only lonely
My love is vengeance
That's never free
No one knows what its like
To be mistreated, to be defeated
Behind blue eyes
An no…

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 10:16 AM

gilly the memoradum is much likeGen Washington's Newburgh address

Subject: BS: Ban Donald Trump!
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 11:00 AM

If Trump can be banned by Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube and most recently Grindr - what is Mudcat waiting for? This is obviously the current big thing in social media.

Subject: RE: BS: Ban Donald Trump!
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 11:11 AM

Oh I don't know Jack, it could be quite amusing to see him tussle with some of the sharp minds on here.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 02:12 PM

Jack, jackie, jackums, if you tell mr. trump about a Smithsonsonian saved website like mudcat for which Donald can leave his leavings you are meaner than I thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 03:32 PM

Everyone is bailing on Trump now. He's no good to anyone with his seditious cooties.

America's oldest conservative magazine comes out in favor of Trump's impeachment

"In an opinion piece published by The National Review this Wednesday, The Editors of the nation's oldest conservative magazine declared that there is "no doubt that Donald Trump has committed an impeachable offense."

The op-ed stressed that President Trump "urged a crowd to march on the U.S. Capitol and pressure his vice president and Congress to abuse their authority" to overturn a free and fair election that Joe Biden clearly won.

As the mob breached the Capitol, Trump failed to forthrightly tell the rioters to stop, The Editors write, and the violence that ensued was the culmination of Trump's "ceaseless campaign of misinformation meant to delegitimize an American election.""

The rest is at the link.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 04:22 PM

Without an internet platform for Trump to excoriate and deamonize republicans who betray Trump loyalty I predict more than 8 Republicans will see that acts like defecating in the capitol to killing a police officer is the result of Donald's wild mob incitement for months.

Hearing the loyalists 'paraphrase' the incitement speech was hilarious.
"sallyforth good people with love in your heart to the capitol and with boo or yay voice your approval or..." :^}

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 08:04 PM

inside job

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 09:34 PM

Representative Pressley's panic button ripped out ahead of blast. Sounds like an inside job, planned ahead.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 09:38 PM

I can't believe nobody posted that he was impeached for a second time. (Or maybe it was in a different thread?) Ten Republicans voted in favor of impeaching.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 09:53 PM

SRS, between the cops not doing their job, even helping the mob, and the Repubs taking them on tours and showing the creeps where to find offices, there needs to be a major investigation, and prosecution. Also, every one of those people who objected to the democratic election process should be removed from Congress.

Well. that's my opining for the night.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 09:57 PM

Jeri it was such a forgone conclusion why bother.

Stilly great minds think alike. ;^/ 3 Congress people are reported to have given tours and instructions to insurgents inside the capitol against rules on Jan.5

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 10:04 PM

I don't think the Brits here understand the climate here. If you're a Democrat on the hill, death threats means its wednesday. This is new to Republicans now and are acting out of fear for their families and themselves. Intimidation is a norm in the Trump climate change of fear.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump Actions and Effects
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 10:40 PM

I think a single Question Time would make the average American leader pull his own 'ead off rather than see Doug.