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Too old for folk when this is over

Mo the caller 30 Jul 20 - 08:23 AM
Dave Hanson 30 Jul 20 - 09:05 AM
Charmion 30 Jul 20 - 10:02 AM
Donuel 30 Jul 20 - 12:46 PM
Acorn4 30 Jul 20 - 01:28 PM
GUEST,Peter 30 Jul 20 - 01:50 PM
leeneia 30 Jul 20 - 02:48 PM
DonMeixner 30 Jul 20 - 03:04 PM
Tattie Bogle 30 Jul 20 - 04:49 PM
Mrrzy 30 Jul 20 - 05:24 PM
Jack Campin 30 Jul 20 - 07:09 PM
RTim 30 Jul 20 - 07:39 PM
Bill D 30 Jul 20 - 08:07 PM
Charmion 30 Jul 20 - 08:17 PM
Bill D 30 Jul 20 - 09:10 PM
DonMeixner 31 Jul 20 - 10:15 AM
GUEST,Malcolm Storey 31 Jul 20 - 07:59 PM
GUEST,Observer 01 Aug 20 - 02:19 AM
Mr Red 01 Aug 20 - 02:55 AM
GUEST,Sol 01 Aug 20 - 03:22 AM
GUEST,geo 01 Aug 20 - 03:44 AM
leeneia 01 Aug 20 - 11:09 AM
Jack Campin 01 Aug 20 - 11:26 AM
Jos 01 Aug 20 - 11:42 AM
Charmion 01 Aug 20 - 12:19 PM
Charmion's brother Andrew 01 Aug 20 - 12:37 PM
JHW 01 Aug 20 - 03:07 PM
Felipa 01 Aug 20 - 05:15 PM
JennieG 01 Aug 20 - 05:42 PM
The Sandman 02 Aug 20 - 03:06 AM
Mo the caller 02 Aug 20 - 03:29 AM
John MacKenzie 02 Aug 20 - 04:49 AM
The Sandman 02 Aug 20 - 05:10 AM
GUEST,Peter 02 Aug 20 - 10:13 AM
GUEST 02 Aug 20 - 01:53 PM
leeneia 02 Aug 20 - 04:12 PM
GUEST,matt milton 03 Aug 20 - 02:55 AM
JHW 03 Aug 20 - 05:44 AM
Ged Fox 03 Aug 20 - 01:16 PM
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Mo the caller 04 Aug 20 - 03:40 AM
JHW 10 Aug 20 - 05:45 AM
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Subject: Too old for folk when this is over?
From: Mo the caller
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 08:23 AM

In the Observer article discussed in the Cecil Sharp House thread* Peggy Seegar says she doesn't think that she and Shirley Collins will ever perform together again. And she regrets not having a 'final concert'
On a smaller scale (much) I had a couple of wedding ceilidhs cancelled and wondered the same. I'd been scaling down for a while - not actively seeking gigs but not refusing those offered.
And our dance club hasn't met for months, will I be fit enough for even the gentle dances when we reopen. Not been able to do more than 32 bars of hornpipe stepping for several years, whereas once I'd hop through several turns of the dance.

Is it time for us oldies to retreat and hand over to the younger generation?


* sorry, my clicky didn't work, and the article the link in the article wouldn't open this time though it did before?????


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 09:05 AM

No, unfortunately there are not enough young people getting in to folk music and dancing.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Charmion
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 10:02 AM

We live in southwestern Ontario, and a major music event almost always means long-haul travel. Only one festival that features music we always enjoy happens within easy reach of us -- the Celtic Roots Festival in Goderich.

It's years since travel was anything but a tough slog. My husband (age 63) still feels enthusiastic about loading up the car and setting out for days of driving, but me -- age 65 -- not so much. More and more, I'm aware of the risk level on controlled-access highways and how our endurance has waned; now, a day on the road is gritted teeth at speeds up to 130 kph (80 mph), dodging 18-wheelers and counting the clicks to the next opportunity to pee and get a coffee.

Air travel is less likely to result in a crash, but not more pleasant or less risky. I have asthma and I usually get off a long flight with somebody else's cold, which means enduring a bout of bronchitis in a foreign land. Obviously, I don't fly to places where I don't speak the language or trust the medical professions, or can't afford the emergency room. I loved Orkney, where they wouldn't let me pay at the clinic ("This is Great Britain!"), but the people in the room next to ours at the Ferry Inn in Stromness did not love my roof-rattling cough. Likewise the other inhabitants of our bed-and-breakfast in Dublin, who were spared little of the respiratory drama I brought to their vacation. Did you know that Irish doctors still make house calls if you pay enough? In 2011, it was 50 euros. At the time, that seemed like a bargain.

So, when the coronavirus goes away and pleasure travel resumes, I will not be eager to pack up and head out -- I don't care who's playing. I will be that much older, creakier and scareder, and completely out of the habit of tolerating avoidable threats.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 12:46 PM

while no one gets off this planet alive your continued survival is 100% guaranteed on Earth compared to any other known planet.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Acorn4
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 01:28 PM

We cut out all the long distance travel a couple of years ago. What is left of my life I don't want to spend sitting in traffic jams.

Just did stuff in our local area until the lockdown.

That's why I find the virtual sessions so good and hope they continue after things open up.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 01:50 PM

Like Mo I wonder if I will have retained the stamina for dancing when this is finally all over. At the moment I don't expect to be going to a ceilidh this side of January and possible for a while after that.

The dance club scene, is I think, in a worse demographic state than the song clubs but the ceilidhs in central London are well supported by younger (ie under 40) people.

Once things get going again I think that most clubs and promoters will need to behave as if they are launching from scratch and push their gigs hard both inside and outside the regular folk scene.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: leeneia
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 02:48 PM

"Is it time for us oldies to retreat and hand over to the younger generation?"

No. As they say in Canada, keep your stick on the ice.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: DonMeixner
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 03:04 PM

As I approach 70 I have been having similar wonderment's. My wife and I think nothing about driving from central New York to Louisville Ky to visit a seldom seen grand daughter. Granted I am not stopping every 200 hundred miles, off loading a PA and a slew of instruments every other night, only to reload and hit the road again. But if I were I would probably be playing in libraries, small museums, and village parks, not saloons and stadiums or festivals. I would be performing probably for folks my age more than anyone else, but I would be performing.

So far I have lost seven months of music and craft fair business. The rest of the year looks equally bleak.   I suppose both businesses are exhausting to one degree or another. The hard work is now this, how do I turn the music and silversmithing into a money making concern in the rapidly changing market. I have no doubt I will be playing with the band in Pubs again but it will never be the same as it was.

But it is always never the same.

Don


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 04:49 PM

I tend to agree with Acorn 4: we are doing less and less travelling: 10 years ago it was great to visit our daughter and husband while they lived in Singapore, and go on to see friends in Australia. In 2015-2017, we joined the cruise-niks and had 3 lovely holidays, though could never get away from the hand-sanitisers as the cruise lines were still paranoid about outbreaks of norovirus (luckily, escaped any of that!)
Now in the position of choosing the venue for a folk club AGM in early September: can it be in the usual premises - but socially distanced - with our without masks on (masks on would scupper me as being hard of hearing!) - or all at home on Zoom? I would go with the latter, tho some would not.
I am also in 2 ceilidh bands, and it is hard to see when, particularly set dancing, will be deemed safe again. And in the one band, average age is over 70!


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 05:24 PM

Oh, is it your *stick* you're supposed to keep on the ice?

Yeah, my 60th bday present to myself was going to see my sister in Tazzie... Am 59 now. Don't see it happening for that bday, and at 65 will I be up for that kind if travel?

I can still sing, though!

Maybe it is time to finally learn an instrument...


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 07:09 PM

I am a bit over 70 but still quite fit. But I live a few miles outside the city, and don't drive. Carting my instruments around on a bike isn't feasible, and public transport (which I was using very heavily) isn't going to be safe for regular use for a very long time. Nobody local does anything I'd fit into musically, so I'm a bit stuck. Currently fixing up the shed so I can practice antisocial instruments at antisocial hours without bothering anyone.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: RTim
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 07:39 PM

I am too old to go anywhere at present (73) and too old to spend my life watching Zoom presentations and Virtual sing alongs.....lost patience......but not voice, yet!

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 08:07 PM

I'm 81, and fortunate to live in an area with lots of 'folking around'.

There will be no FSGW Getaway this Oct., but IF it happens next year, I can probably make the 1 hour drive. (I've made 41 in a row now, and will be there if possible.)
   I totally understand why Charmion and Edward will probably not do it, and I (we) will miss them and others.

FSGW also has a local festival early each June which I have attended since 1977, worked on since 1978 and managed the crafts for 15+ years. It will 'probably' re-start when things improve... but it depends on 3-4 factors that are always being debated.
   There will be local sings, concerts and such, but I tend to only frequent the close ones.

   It's hard to take in that most of my folk going that began when I saw Pete Seeger in about 1961 is winding down.... but then, *I* aam winding down.
My son & his wife are good singers with 30-40 years of music ahead on them... if, if and if...

If it ends, it's been a good run..


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Charmion
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 08:17 PM

Bill, if there’s a Getaway in 2021 and the border is open, we’ll make it if we’re fit to travel at all. We might have to pooter along the secondary roads stopping at every second diner, and it might take us a week, but we’ll make it.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Jul 20 - 09:10 PM

*big smile* I won't hold my breath, 'cause I don't look good in blue... but just reading that is great...
Stay well..


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: DonMeixner
Date: 31 Jul 20 - 10:15 AM

Charmion, I live just off the Thruway on the way to rout 81 in NY. IF you are driving by and need a break, stop in for a bowl of soup and I'll polish your bracelet.

Don


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 31 Jul 20 - 07:59 PM

The way things are going even the young could be too old for folk when this is all over.
My generation where / are the lucky generation who had the benefit of full employment (pre Maggie) and a system that allowed free expression and choice.
We also inherited the ethic that allowed and encouraged us to be able to give our leisure time freely to things which we enjoyed.
These assets which I feel enriched our lives are now sadly eroded by greed (mostly corporate) and an extreme collective selfishness - the me me society.
The one certainty I cling to is that due to the technological explosion an enormous amount of our folk heritage is preserved in accessible format - albeit a lot of it in private hand (mea culpa).
We need to ensure that this is not lost once we are gone and the best way to do this is for us all to establish quickly how this can be done.
I will leave it there for now.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 01 Aug 20 - 02:19 AM

The post-war "Baby Boomers" WERE the "me-me society" to beat all others. The ones who knew the price of everything and the value of nothing, as well as knowing all of our rights while at the same time refusing to shoulder the obligations that went with them. There is absolutely no escaping the fact that "we" created the world as it is today - don't try and shift the blame onto others, although that is another characteristic of the Baby Boomer's "me-me" generation -"It is always somebody else's fault".

How many of you know of Folk Clubs that closed because of this pandemic that WILL NOT be restarted?

Festivals might just return, but they will be very different to the ones that were run pre-Covid. These will mainly be the summer festivals and open-air venues will appeal the most.

Festival fringe's, crowded sessions in pubs I just don't see coming back at all in my lifetime.

Until there is a proven and effective vaccine available nothing will return to what we all once used to accept as "normal".


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Mr Red
Date: 01 Aug 20 - 02:55 AM

No ceilidhs. Or session & festivals. Zoom doesn't even come close.
Walking a lot is the only exercise, (for the body). But programming the computer covers the brain work-out aspect. JavaScript anyone?

me too old? If you believe Fakebook I am only 40!


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: GUEST,Sol
Date: 01 Aug 20 - 03:22 AM

Great posts from Malcolm Storey and the Observer above. Though they are conflicting, both have many valid points.
The boomers (of which I'm one) broke free from the old disciplines of conscription, and social/religious doctrine however, the increase of affluence has made people less reliant on each other, spawning the 'me' society.

True freedom comes with responsibility. The lack of the latter has brought us to where we are today. Dog eat dog.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: GUEST,geo
Date: 01 Aug 20 - 03:44 AM

does anyone have any links they would be willing to share for virtual folk sings? i totally understand if not, i just dont know where the first place to find that sort of thing would be


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: leeneia
Date: 01 Aug 20 - 11:09 AM

YouTube. Put folk songs in the lower search box. Or you could search for the name of a song, a band, a country's folk music or an instrument.
===================
Our country dancers are meeting in a beautiful park at 10 am on Saturday mornings to avoid the heat of summer. They where masks, keep 6 feet apart and don't touch hands. They are using recorded music, so I'm not needed. I'm not the morning type anyway.

Our dance leaders are early 30's in age, and musicians are 65-75. No wait, we have an occasional 40-year-old. At our February dance we wanted to play and sing 'Let Me Call You Sweetheart' for the couples' waltz, and the 40-year-old didn't know the words. What is this country coming to?


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Jack Campin
Date: 01 Aug 20 - 11:26 AM

Lots of FB groups for remote sessions/open mikes/singarounds, using several different technologies.

I need to get back to bellows pipes, mouthblown winds are out for sessions.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Jos
Date: 01 Aug 20 - 11:42 AM

I didn't know the tune, never mind the words, of 'Let Me Call You Sweetheart' so looked it up and find it dates from 1910 and was a hit in 1911, with a Bing Crosby version in 1934.
I'm not THAT old.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Charmion
Date: 01 Aug 20 - 12:19 PM

I think I have known “Let me call you sweetheart” my whole damn life.

But then, I grew up with a grandma who played the piano for community singing when that was a thing, circa 1918.

At 65, I am normal age for a folkie muso, but my repertoire makes me look a lot older.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Charmion's brother Andrew
Date: 01 Aug 20 - 12:37 PM

I do not think I have heard that since those command performances for the old sweats at the Rideau Veterans' Home in the 1960s and '70s.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: JHW
Date: 01 Aug 20 - 03:07 PM

As one gets older there are very many things one can't go back to. Events are gone, people you knew perhaps too. Highlights and essential activities have to change if only to cope with your own ageing.

Years ago in 'Roger's Bar', Sidmouth, I was sad when a regular couple declared they wouldn't come any more, it was getting too difficult (at their age). Tim and Kitty and Les's singarounds long left the place. I miss them but can't go back.

At every stage in your life you can only make the best of where (time and place) you are.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Felipa
Date: 01 Aug 20 - 05:15 PM

There are some good virtual sing-arounds going on at present, but as people are getting more reluctant or less able to travel and are wanting to get back to personal (off-line) connection, itsounds like we need to revive the culture of house parties, making music locally, getting more people to particpate without the emphasis on professionals or on being "a performer"


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: JennieG
Date: 01 Aug 20 - 05:42 PM

My ukulele group plays (and hopefully will play again, when we can get back together) a medley of waltzes. "Let me call you sweetheart", "Around the world", "Mexicali Rose", and......."I like Aeroplane jelly", a song just about every Aussie kid has grown up with since the 1930s.

Because we're in the 'be vewy vewy careful' age group we haven't played together since the middle of March. We have hopes to, perhaps, get together in September.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Aug 20 - 03:06 AM

I am continuing.i am going to a privates session today to play. my last two gigs inthe uk in feb were ones i will always remember,i got a thankyou for a wonderful night from annie morris organiser at potteries folk club. if i never gig again in the uk i can remember my last 2 gigs potteries and stockton being as good as my first, kingston folk club fighting cocks 1976,i shall go on singning and playing until i am taken out in a box


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Mo the caller
Date: 02 Aug 20 - 03:29 AM

JHW - yes indeed. It has been creeping up on me. 'Don't think I want to drive on busy motorways, or in unknown cities any more', 'can't dance the way I used to at ceilidhs, maybe won't bother'. I think it's the sudden break that brings it home.
My Google calendar has yes moved onto August, and is showing 2 gigs (now cancelled) for this Saturday and next :(
Leeneia - the band I call with certainly notices that it's only the Golden Weddings etc. that sing along with our waltz and barn dance medleys. One that is fairly well know even though it's 53 years old is When I'm 64.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Aug 20 - 04:49 AM

When I go to Whitby each year and see the youngsters at the dances, and hear the young whizz kids being turned out by Newcastle, and Glasgow, I don't fear for the future of our music and dance, but I do wonder what will happen to the format.
I still miss the entertainers like, Alex Campbell, Jasper Carrot, Noel Murphy, and Billy Connollys of the folk world, but as the song says, "Those days have passed, and the time's come at last, for the weakness of age to make way for the young"
I am probably too old for folk music now, at 77, but given the chance I will still indulge in, and enjoy it.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Aug 20 - 05:10 AM

you are never too old to tango sing play or enjoy life


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 02 Aug 20 - 10:13 AM

My parents told me that I was too old to be going off to gigs or ceilidhs two ir three times a week when I was in my 40s!

These days failing joints mean that some elastic bandages and a packet of paracetamol are an essential part of a ceilidh but inside there is still a young man furious that he can't step continuously through a dance any more.

Dances will be about the last thing to reopen, I just hope that I will still be around when they do.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Aug 20 - 01:53 PM

2021 cancellations are starting with Ireby in May


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: leeneia
Date: 02 Aug 20 - 04:12 PM

One day when my mother was 78, she said "I am not what I look like. Inside of me is a girl of 18." At 74, I feel the same way.

Young people need old people for two reasons. 1. Loneliness and isolation. I have a friend of 44, and he really needs me and my friends.

2. Wisdom. My house is being renovated, and the immature and unwise behavior of the guys 20-35 years old would amaze you. They leave, with all the lights burning and the back door unlocked. They drop sharp items on the floor and leave them. They lose tools right and left and throw away nice things. You'd think they were eleven or twelve years old. They need the companionship of older people to bring them up to snuff.

Two days ago the carpenter told the DH that his wife had called because their baby had a tick on the back of his head. The DH asked what I thought, and I said, "The important thing is to find out whether it's the kind of tick that causes Lyme disease. Tell her to call their pediatrician."

The guys had just been thinking of how to best get the tick off. The wife was told about what I said and took the baby in.

They need us.

The next day, that same guy came out of the closet and said that he is trying to learn banjo.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 03 Aug 20 - 02:55 AM

I think everyone should make the most of any outdoor opportunities to meet up and make music in local parks while the weather is good this summer - not least as the gov could well reintroduce tougher lockdown measures at some point. In my local park over the weekend, there was a group of women, all in their 70s I would say, playing socially distanced classical music, some wearing masks, one on a mobility scooter.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: JHW
Date: 03 Aug 20 - 05:44 AM

'They lose tools right and left' There's a memory, rewiring my first house in the 70s. Always losing tools.
If I'm doing a job now and the place looks too strewn I clear everything up, put everything where it goes and start again.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Ged Fox
Date: 03 Aug 20 - 01:16 PM

Too ould for folk when this is over
No more clubs in pubs for me
No more singing in a circle
I'll be sitting sipping tea.
No more hairy beards and sandals,
No more finger in me ear;
Just an early night with Horlicks
'Stead of pewter mug and beer.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: GUEST,big al whittle
Date: 03 Aug 20 - 01:53 PM

folk music will survive as long as there is folk. its easy to overestimate our importance in the evolutionary process.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Mo the caller
Date: 04 Aug 20 - 03:40 AM

Thanks Ged - that about sums it up.
v2
Might as well be in a care home
Sitting watching the TV
If I cannot go out dancing
What has life in store for me
I have tried a solo Zoom dance
Tried just skipping to the loo
But the motivation's lacking
Without others dancing too.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: JHW
Date: 10 Aug 20 - 05:45 AM

It surprises me that more folks aren't worried about no singing, no dancing, no folk clubs, no festivals, nothing to do at night and no-one to meet.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Aug 20 - 01:14 PM

While there's beer, there's hope.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: JHW
Date: 11 Aug 20 - 05:39 AM

I love beer but last pint I had was 8th March. Used to drink along with the singing.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Aug 20 - 04:19 AM

the me me society.

Oh Maggie didn't invent the Me-Generation but she opened the door. WIDE.

And as for private collections. There is always the EFDSS. There are a few of my collected things worthy of offering, though a few years back I did offer under the banner of The Full English. I was deemed unimportant, in the context of their remit. Their remit was to get the biggest fish. I suspect it merely linked to collections, to save on webspace and personnel/time. But that is insecure, if cheap.

My collected audio reminiscences of the local area are copied to the local museum & Gloucestershire Archives. Local gov have the infrastructure, and motivation.


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Subject: RE: Too old for folk when this is over
From: Mo the caller
Date: 12 Aug 20 - 07:06 AM

So is it best to have our folk archives in local 'general' collections, to be happened upon by the general public, or in specialist libraries (e.g. at CSH) to be searched by folkies? Or both, perhaps.

The Zoom things that are going on show that the generations below me are taking up the baton. I was happy to call at dance clubs, and have worked out how to use zoom. But adapting and calling dances using recorded music doesn't appeal at all. In our area there the clubs have been kept going by a younger caller (still has children at home) and a couple who are probably nearing retirement have also slotted in to do alternate weeks.


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