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Origin/details required: La Mouresque

Greum 15 Aug 20 - 10:49 AM
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Subject: Origin/details required: La Mouresque
From: Greum
Date: 15 Aug 20 - 10:49 AM

Does anyone know the origin of the tune La Mouresque? It is part of a medley of Morris tunes on the Albion Country Band's Battle of the Field album (without the 'La').

One suggestion I read was that it is of Flemish origin.


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Subject: RE: Origin/details required: La Mouresque
From: RTim
Date: 15 Aug 20 - 10:56 AM

It is from Thoinot Arbeau book "Orchesographie" 1589

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Origin/details required: La Mouresque
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 15 Aug 20 - 11:05 AM

It is attributed to 16th century composer, Susato, from Antwerp, tho' it is translated as "Moorish Dance" (from which we got Morris dances).
There's a good description on this website here:
La Mourisque


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Subject: RE: Origin/details required: La Mouresque
From: Greum
Date: 15 Aug 20 - 11:10 AM

Thanks, Tim, especially for so quick a reply. :)


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Subject: RE: Origin/details required: La Mouresque
From: Monique
Date: 15 Aug 20 - 12:25 PM

Check page 127 for some more information.


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Subject: RE: Origin/details required: La Mouresque
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 15 Aug 20 - 04:53 PM

Thanks Monique: just to clarify, it's page 127 in page numbering, not as Acrobat has it! It seems to correspond closely with what was in the link I posted, apart from the difference between 4-part and 8-part arrangements, and predate the source quoted by Tim.


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Subject: RE: Origin/details required: La Mouresque
From: Greum
Date: 16 Aug 20 - 03:21 AM

Thanks Tattie and Monique. I didn't realise there was so much information available.


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Subject: RE: Origin/details required: La Mouresque
From: Mr Red
Date: 19 Aug 20 - 04:53 AM

I could dance a bouree to the modern versions of the tune.

FWIW our Morris developed from Moresque - which was a display dance style and performed for the rich. The practitioners were more likely of middle eastern/Indian origin. They were highly skilled tumblers. As a result local English dancers tried to emulate them & with darkened faces. One of the many explanations for black-faced Morris. The hiding of identity had relevance much later.

La Mourisque on YouTube (Hammersmith Morris)


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Subject: RE: Origin/details required: La Mouresque
From: Greum
Date: 21 Aug 20 - 02:18 PM

Thanks Mr Red. I had seen Hammersmith Morris's vid. I was coming to the conclusion that Morris dancing probably developed from Moresque, despite understanding that the origin of Morris was unknown.

I have recorded (currently for my own use) a version of La Mourisque on a keyboard using trombone, violin, recorder and glockenspiel voices. (?)


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Subject: RE: Origin/details required: La Mouresque
From: Cattia
Date: 22 Aug 20 - 05:05 PM

I wrote about the ancient Moresca in Terre Celtiche blog maybe it can be useful
https://terreceltiche.altervista.org/la-moresca-antica/


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Subject: RE: Origin/details required: La Mouresque
From: Greum
Date: 24 Aug 20 - 01:55 PM

Thank you, Cattia. That's very interesting.


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Subject: RE: Origin/details required: La Mouresque
From: Cattia
Date: 24 Aug 20 - 03:04 PM

one of my passions medieval music and dance as well as folk music of old eruropa


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Subject: RE: Origin/details required: La Mouresque
From: Greum
Date: 25 Aug 20 - 08:15 AM

I live in Italy and would love to discover more about Italian folk music. My language skills are not in my favour though. :)


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Subject: RE: Origin/details required: La Mouresque
From: BobL
Date: 26 Aug 20 - 02:33 AM

Some of the beers on a Morris pub tour are definitely moreish.


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Subject: RE: Origin/details required: La Mouresque
From: Cattia
Date: 26 Aug 20 - 03:06 PM

To Greum
I live in Piedmont, here is some Piedmontese folk music (with transaltions) https://terreceltiche.altervista.org/nazioni-celtiche-affini/piemonte-celtico/
Ciao


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Subject: RE: Origin/details required: La Mouresque
From: Greum
Date: 27 Aug 20 - 10:05 AM

Grazie Cattia. Mi piace!

I will have to explore more of your blog.

I live in Umbria.

Ciao


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