BS: Brexit & other UK political topics

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Jul 22 - 05:23 PM

BoNzo, The conservatives have not been very good at choosing their leaders, boris is an example,
Rishi Sunak is now favourite, so looks like the Tories are picking the wrong leader again., a man whose skeletons are going to rattle his cage again and again, whose financial shenanigans will lose him the next general election, hooray

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Jul 22 - 03:44 PM

Ridiculous, the labour party messed up.
Boris is the one who has messed up.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Jul 22 - 03:35 PM

Incorrect Nigel. Labour did call for a vote of no-confidence, it was refused by the tories
Labour called for a vote of confidence on the current government, and Boris Johnson.
Boris has already given a timetable for his finishing, and such a motion would cause confusion as to whether the vote was about the government, or about Boris.
By the way it was worded the Conservatives could refuse the debate. Labour were told that if they tabled a vote of confidence in the government it would be debated.

Because the Labour Party messed up, the Conservatives have said that they will call for a vote of confidence in the government. BBC News

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 17 Jul 22 - 02:08 PM

Labour did call for a vote of no-confidence, it was refused by the tories

Even more strangely. a government spokesman said the reason the online bill is not being debated is because Labour called for that vote of confidence, which was refused so did not happen, but as if by magic disrupted the Parliamentary timetable anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 17 Jul 22 - 02:02 PM

"Labour could call for a vote of confidence on the current government, but chose not to."

Incorrect Nigel. Labour did call for a vote of no-confidence, it was refused by the tories

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 17 Jul 22 - 11:14 AM

This is a highly disreputable way to pick a prime minister. I know it's not the first time and that it's not just Tories who do it. I think that a general election should have automatically been triggered.

Be careful what you wish for. If that had been the case, and if the Conservatives were likely to lose many seats in a General Election, then sitting members would have been less likely to come-out against Boris, and he would still be PM.
The current party can only work within the parliamentary party rules as they currently stand.
Labour could call for a vote of confidence on the current government, but chose not to.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Jul 22 - 11:11 AM

"I think the worst result from opposition parties viewpoint would be Penny Mordaunt"

She knows that the other parties are scared shitless of her!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Jul 22 - 07:02 AM

"would bonzo welcome them if they were trans gender,or even if they had Clinical lycanthropy"

Of course not.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jul 22 - 05:23 AM

Yebbut don't forget that she will have two years to screw up, which she will.

This is a highly disreputable way to pick a prime minister. I know it's not the first time and that it's not just Tories who do it. I think that a general election should have automatically been triggered.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Jul 22 - 05:13 AM

I think the worst result from opposition parties viewpoint would be Penny Mordaunt

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Jul 22 - 03:12 AM

would bonzo welcome them if they were trans gender,or even if they had Clinical lycanthropy

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 08:07 PM

MP's for now perhaps, I wonder if the same invitation would be extended if, and when, they are unemployed?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 06:30 PM

Competition first prize: a Conservative garden party with two MPs present.

Competition second prize: two Conservative garden parties with two MPs present.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 11:32 AM

We are enjoying a Conservative garden party with 2 MPs present!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 10:47 AM

DtG, re portaloos at rock festivals: Nice one, and in appropriate taste.

My brother went to Greenbelt one year: good music, he said, but crowded, and the sanitary arrangements were the (*ahem*) stuff of legend. It was alleged that someone had managed to reserve a large area to pitch his tent in by the simple expedient of putting up a notice saying "SITE OF LAST YEAR'S BOGS".

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 07:44 AM

Good job we live in very South Croydon!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 07:29 AM

Only in Croydon:-D

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 07:21 AM

Cats do shit on the pavement, I have seen them.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 07:06 AM

Is that a new version of Nimby behaviour?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 06:55 AM

Cats also kill rats and mice, They do not shit on the pavement neither do they shit in my garden, so i have no personal problem with cats

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 06:45 AM

however a majority of cat owners are not interested in what their pets are doing for most of the time, while they (cats, not their occasionally- interested owners) shit in my flower beds, eat millions of wee birds and wind up my lurcher

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 06:17 AM

yes i am sure it is a minority of dog owners that cause the problems

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 06:07 AM

We have the same problem Sandman, but not in our street. We are nice thoughtful middle class people here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 06:00 AM

Quote of the day

Chosing the next tory leader is like deciding which portaloo to use on the third day of a rock festival

:-D

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 05:30 AM

Trad unions exist for very good reasons.
Bonxzo if Mordaunt is elected will you still vote conservative.
In my experience dog shit and dog owners are more of a problem than cat shit, when i walk along pavements it is been my 100 per cent experience, that dog shit is what i have to avoid stepping in., not cat shit, not human shit, not goat shit, not elephant shit not horse shit but dog shit

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 15 Jul 22 - 04:07 PM

Strange that C4 are hosting a debate to help 358 MPs and 150,000 members of one political party decide how they are planning to affect our lives until the next general election, as if this would somehow be implicit consent by 65,000,000 who have no say whatsoever for their proposed policies.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Jul 22 - 03:10 PM

The very same people deny the work that the trade unions have done over the past decades to improve the lot of the working person, whether that be as a banker, a shopworker, a nurse or a labourer.

We have all benefitted greatly from their efforts, sadly some people cannot accept that.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 15 Jul 22 - 03:01 PM

DtG, Sadly some people have no concept of how gender equality has been a long fought battle to find its way into legislation, but still has far to go. By categorising people into gender-specific roles, it atill, to this day, applies value judgement where women are considered to be in sub-servient roles.

The other problem, is that garbage like the daily mail, telegraph, express attempts to ridicule any real attempt to break down gender barriers, parroted by the ignorant. The same goes for race, LBGT, disability and most recently transgender. Rather than enter into what is difficult debate reconciling women's and trans people's right, all tory voters can do is reinforce the prejudices and mock any proper discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Jul 22 - 02:07 PM

So you object to my referring to gender neutral nonsense do you??

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jul 22 - 01:28 PM

The thing is Rain Dog, it does get deleted here. Sadly, in real life, he spouts his bigotry with impunity. Until he starts it in a situation where he is likely to get his teeth knocked down his throat of course :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 04:02 PM

certainly

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 03:18 PM

Do you use language like that when you are away from a keyboard?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 03:07 PM

Mordaunt is an arrogant stupid cow with her gender neutral nonsense

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 02:16 PM

Nigel, don’t feed the…well, you know! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 11:51 AM

she is white,so she appeals to brexiteers who may have racist inclinations

The first person to make a point of the race of any of the candidates accuses the Brexiteers of racism. Oh, the irony!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 10:34 AM

”Well, unless they do what Tories always do, give us a 20p with one hand and take away a 50p with the other (which is why this country has just about the biggest tax burden ever).”

Except, of course, they only do that to ‘the little people’ like you, me, and everyone else here. They do precisely the reverse to their wealthy cronies - hence the huge increase in the wealth-gap since 2010.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 05:59 AM

Promising big swingeing tax cuts from day one is a classic example of a direct lift from the Boris Bunter Book Of Big Lies. It can't be done. Well, unless they do what Tories always do, give us a 20p with one hand and take away a 50p with the other (which is why this country has just about the biggest tax burden ever).

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 05:32 AM

(1) Cuts to public services (NHS, Transport and so on), more and increased chares for using services and more backdoor privatisation.

(2) Making claimants more accountable for DWP errors, and probably extending sanctions regime, and further restrictions directed at people with disabilities and long term conditions (anyone who does not fit in with the tory 'happy citizen' branding. Also making UC for those in full time employment more restrictive and not being particularly bothered about whether people can cope on low wages.

(3) Not caring about scorched earth they leave behind if they lose power as they can plough into any opposition party that has to spend money to repair the damage, and if, by any chance they stay in power not really caring as they will fall back to the mantra of blaming Labour for the world-wide credit crunch in 1996 who apparently were responsible for the toxic sub prime lending in America.

(4) Continuing to turn the screws on Local Authorities so they (particularly Labour Councils) get blames for cuts to local services. At the same time, providing a short term capital investment to make high streets look pretty for a while without addressing long-term issues and deprivation.

(5) Encourage everyone to do their 'bit'. Mitigate a tiny percentage of the cost of living and deterioration of peoples lifestyles with comparatively small giveaways, while giving higher paid workers bigger tax breaks to make the average look good.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 03:56 AM

Could our resident accountant and conservative supporter,B 3LEGS explain who is going to pay for the proposed tax cuts promised by certain conservative Mps involved in the leadership election

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 12:48 AM

yes i agree she is not bald, she is a woman [ so there appears to be a change]and she is white,so she appeals to brexiteers who may have racist inclinations, she does not appear to have any skeletons in the cupboard.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 07:13 PM

I think it'll be Mordaunt. Shoot.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 06:19 PM

Latest choices:
The six candidates in the Conservative Party leadership race,
Liz Truss, Tom Tugendhat, Kemi Badenoch. Suella Braverman, Rishi Sunak and Penny Mordaunt

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 03:41 PM

"how about bonzo for prime minster at least he would look after the welfare of dogs"

I'm afraid not, I no longer do suits and ties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 02:53 PM

One prediction that I can make, whoever gets the hot seat: I forsee much back-seat driving and sock-puppetry in the next PM's life. Please see also my update of the parody wot I wrote on the subject in the light of today's events (plus the edit in the next entry).

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 12:44 PM

Looks like three vaguely sane (Rishi, Penny, Tom) verses three looking far from it (kemi, Liz, Suella)

Too soon for predictions!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 11:01 AM

how about bonzo for prime minster at least he would look after the welfare of dogs

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 10:39 AM

maybe give johnson defense. Apart from risking total annihilation, at least he would not be in a position to endanger any individuals.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 09:23 AM

Yes, I accidentally peed on that post. ;-)

I keep asking myself which of 'em would be the best candidate. But there isn't one. As Ian Blackford said in the Commons, they all make Genghis Khan look like a moderate...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 07:29 AM

"I have no words....p"

I know that we are living in strange times but I do find that statement hard to believe.

I also find it unbelievable that anyone would offer Johnson a place in the cabinet. I expect him to be off as soon as possible in order to make some money on the lecture circuit.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 07:05 AM

offering johnson a job in the cabinet, is a wild gamble, what minstry could he hold.
Zahawi should be ruled out immediately, that might be a populist move but it is evidence of someone who cannot see the consequences of their actions
johnson has shown that his weakness is inattention to detail, perhaps he could be minster for humour