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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 30 Oct 22 - 08:43 AM I'm very alright, because I still work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 30 Oct 22 - 07:58 AM Aaaahh, “I’m alright Jack”. Exactly what one would expect from a Tory. Back under your rock, reptile. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 30 Oct 22 - 07:26 AM "You really do need to try much, much harder." I don't need to try at all, I'm alright jack if it's all the same to you!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Oct 22 - 06:58 PM So Boris is contemplating undermining Sunak by going to Cop27. Heheh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 29 Oct 22 - 06:01 PM All completely irrelevant, Bonzo. It may have escaped your attention, but Corbyn hasn’t been the Leader of the Labour Party since April 2020, and had the Labour Whip withdrawn in the same year. You really do need to try much, much harder. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Oct 22 - 05:01 PM Bollocks, Bonzo. You read the Daily Mail far too much. Just read the Guardian, Nigel. I know it might hurt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 29 Oct 22 - 04:01 PM Jeremy Corbin - Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing. Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna. Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney. Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament. Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson. Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly. Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane. Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists. Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS. Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview. Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time. Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview. Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths. Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants. Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers. Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain. Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant. Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists. Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing. Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey. Didn’t support IRA ceasefire. Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“. Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list. Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“. Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist. Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP. Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag. Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun. Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker. Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“. Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime. Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS. Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria. Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted. Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela. Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“. Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader. Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria. Opposed shoot to kill. Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC. Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects. Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS. Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel. Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK. Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”. Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”. Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”. Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich. Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal. Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”. Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC. Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO. Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times. Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad. Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah. Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda. Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS. Received endorsement from Hamas. Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani. Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS. Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel. Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage. Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers. Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today. Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir. Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers. Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel. Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group. Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg. Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group. Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings. Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops. Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”. Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj. Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”. Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer. Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta. Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen. Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences. Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services. Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel. Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John. Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”. Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible. Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks. Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”. Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain. Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime. Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic. Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”. Voted against banning support for the IRA. Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles. Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11. Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group. Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism. Voted against banning al-Qaeda. Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror. Voted against control orders. Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism. Quite something when you put it all down in one place… |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Nigel Parsons Date: 29 Oct 22 - 03:51 PM Steve: This is what "you see". Would you care to give reliable quotes for these claims? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Oct 22 - 11:47 AM I see that Sunak received just shy of a cool half-million from donors to support his election campaign. Oh, and the use of a private jet. He's probably too embarrassed to go to the climate summit in case someone asks him about that jet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Oct 22 - 04:34 AM The LibDems are a bunch of unprincipled, Tory-lite opportunists. The one good thing about the 2015 election was seeing them get their arses kicked by the voters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 28 Oct 22 - 08:47 PM vincent, i wouldn't want to excuse tony blair for anything - mostly because with his huge majorities he could really have made a difference to the way this country operates. His great achievement was in funding and running public services well but even then the ppi initiative has been a long-term headache for the nhs. iraq war a terrible decision and degrading for our country. there is little that uk governments wouldn't do to lick american arse. had we stuck with the germans and the french, and theUN approach it would possibly have done a great deal to improve our standing in europe and the rest of the progressive world. Anyway, the tories would never support peace or reason and of course the liberals would never stand on a principle. any attacks from then on Blair are complete hypocrisy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 27 Oct 22 - 05:12 PM They'll just have to get a job won't they. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Raggytash Date: 27 Oct 22 - 04:48 PM I wonder if we will get the same response when somebodys partner gets their welfare benefits reduced or withdrawn by this government. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 27 Oct 22 - 04:18 PM dum de dum de dum |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Oct 22 - 10:56 AM They know, Dave. It’s nothing more than deflection and distraction, born of impotence in the face of the Tories’ self-inflicted disasters caused by their own arrogance, greed, and selfish ambition. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 27 Oct 22 - 08:30 AM Comparisons between what is actually happening and what may have happened in the past or could happen in the future are pointless, Nigel. Besides which, Bonzo was trying to compare the current actual real-life cabinet with one that may or may not have been selected had Corbyn been elected. Labour policy then or now would not have told us who was going to be on the cabinet in what position anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Vincent Jones Date: 27 Oct 22 - 08:16 AM Pete, old horse, I'm pretty much in agreement with you, but "the most criminal and disgraceful PM ever"? Nah. No matter what over-privileged knob the Tories put into Downing Street, I think we should always remember that Desmond Tutu wanted Anthony Blair to be put on trial for war crimes. I don't think Johnson, nasty piece of work though he was, reached quite that level of venality. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Oct 22 - 08:05 AM ”If the Labour Party start telling us what their plans would be, if elected, then comparisons can be made with the current opposition. But such information does not seem to be forthcoming.” Any competent businessman/woman will tell you that you don’t set out your bargaining position for your competitors to see prior to negotiations commencing. Neither should a political party set out, several years in advance of a GE, what it’s manifesto wil be, or may be, when the GE comes around. we are two years away from the next scheduled GE, and things may well have changed radically by then, warranting different policies. The Opposition’s job is to oppose the actions of the government, not to act as the government’s advisor or unofficial ‘think-tank’. Only an idiot would give his opponents two years’ notice of his election plans. Ever heard the expression ‘Keeping your powder dry’? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Nigel Parsons Date: 27 Oct 22 - 06:47 AM The line about: “Think how bad it would be if Corbyn were in charge…” is only used (I assume) because his were the principles in the latest (2019) General Election Labour Manifesto. That makes them the general principles and positions of the opposition party (until changed). If the Labour Party start telling us what their plans would be, if elected, then comparisons can be made with the current opposition. But such information does not seem to be forthcoming. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 27 Oct 22 - 06:14 AM this 'what if corbyn...' nonsense is easily answered with 'all you tory ministers worked with/lied for and excused the most criminal and disgraceful PM ever....' And by the way no group like Momentum or Militant ever influenced anything outside the labour party, whereas the ERG and related ruthless and nasty splinter groups have caused huge and continuous damage to the country |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Oct 22 - 04:34 AM Good one, Dave! And, of course, whenever a Tory starts up with the “Think how bad it would be if Corbyn were in charge…” horse-shit (which they do with monotonous regularity) you know that they know they’re completely our of ammunition, and are unable to put forward any meaningful defence of the absolute mess their Party has got itself (and the country!) in to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 27 Oct 22 - 03:05 AM Shell have just announced over 8 bilion profit |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 27 Oct 22 - 02:41 AM It's not even whataboutary, Backwoodsman, it is whatifism! If ifs and ands were pots and pans, there'd be no work for tinkers' hands... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Raggytash Date: 26 Oct 22 - 06:17 PM It may have escaped your attention Bonzo, but Jeremy Corbyn (a thoroughly decent man) has not been the leader of the Labour Party for about 18 months. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 26 Oct 22 - 06:08 PM ”Can you imagine the divisive and incompetent arseholes that Corbyn would have appointed to his cabinet - Abbopotty for a start !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!“ Whataboutery. The last refuge of someone trying to defend the indefensible. Bonzo loses. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 26 Oct 22 - 04:27 PM Pure fantasy Bonzo. The sad little group of human detritus just appointed to the cabinet is fact. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 26 Oct 22 - 04:14 PM Can you imagine the divisive and incompetent arseholes that Corbyn would have appointed to his cabinet - Abbopotty for a start !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Oct 22 - 01:53 PM No, it was another three-named individual, I'm sure it will come to me. There's probably a similarity I'm picking up on. Meanwhile, what does Mr. Rees Mogg's departure signify? A good thing or a bad thing, or something that can't be characterised on that simple binary? (I thought the headline about "the member for the 18th Century" was interesting.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 26 Oct 22 - 12:31 PM He’s a leading-light in the ERG - the European Research Group (which is nothing of the sort, it’s a semi-secret society of wealthy EU-Haters and Tax-Dodgers, formed when the EU announced they were changing the tax laws to make offshorers pay taxes where their offshored funds were earned. Perhaps you’re thinking of that group, Maggie? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 Oct 22 - 11:53 AM You're thinking of someone else. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Oct 22 - 11:21 AM Jacob Rees Mogg quit - isn't he one of the BNP folks from several years ago? Or am I thinking of someone else? Back when the Troll was stalking Mudcatters (~2009-2012) we all got a lesson on BNP and EDL, etc. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 26 Oct 22 - 04:46 AM I do agree with you there, can't stand the man - prime candidate for a one way bus trip to Beachy Head in the front seat!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 26 Oct 22 - 01:59 AM Oops! Double-posted (kinda)! Oh well, it can’t be stressed too strongly and too many times what a disgusting reptile - even by Tory standards - Gove is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 26 Oct 22 - 12:51 AM Ah yes, Michael Gove back as the Minister for Levelling-up - his views on Northeners as ‘cruel, dirty, and toothless’ are well-documented. Odious little w**ker. https://northeastbylines.co.uk/goves-comments-on-northerners-the-westminster-attitude-towards-our-region/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Oct 22 - 06:23 PM The out-of-touch Sunak has shat in his own bed by appointing divisive and incompetent arseholes to his cabinet. Coffey, *unt, Gove, Cleverly (the most misnamed man in the world), Raab, Braverman... This clumsy attempt to "reach across the whole party" has ensured that he is now the feckless captain of a ship of fools. God help us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 25 Oct 22 - 05:36 PM shadows? local hero? no, it was mark knopfler and pretty good too. i don't really understand your last post but i assume it's totally unnecessary, cruel and racist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Oct 22 - 05:11 PM And Gove the Lying Scottish Viper is the Levelling-up Secretary. This would be the Michael Gove who gloated that ”The happy south stamps over the cruel, dirty toothless face of the northerner.” What was that bollocks they’ve been spouting about ‘Compassionate Conservatism”? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Oct 22 - 05:01 PM Jeeeeee-zus wept! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Oct 22 - 04:59 PM She's still there. The fat alkie is now environment secretary. This guy hasn't got a bloody clue. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Oct 22 - 04:34 PM He’s made Sue-Ellen (allegedly her real name, she reportedly adopted ‘Suella’ to avoid the obvious connection with ‘Dallas’) Home Secretary. So she’s back in the job she baled out of only recently. Wonder what’s happened to Coffey? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Oct 22 - 04:22 PM Agreed, Pete. I have zero respect for Sunak. Knowing that he's contemplating Braverman means I now have even less (is that even possible?). Soft faces, hard cases, hit you with their deadly smile... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 25 Oct 22 - 03:56 PM In what way? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 25 Oct 22 - 03:48 PM Nowhere near as good as Mark Knopfler's original Bonzo. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 25 Oct 22 - 03:22 PM The Shadows, greatest instrumental band of all time, play Theme from Local Hero !!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 25 Oct 22 - 01:17 PM there seems to be a lot that is very murky in sunak's financial dealings, he seems like quite a ruthless operator in some contrast to his rather well-mannered, youthful even kindly manner - his adolescent wrists remind me of the very young Peter Capaldi's character in Local Hero rather than the bully in The Thick of It. However, his reappointment of Suella Braverman tells us exactly what he's about |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Oct 22 - 01:07 PM It isn't a question of the left trying to gain traction. To me, the Labour Party, which, in case you've forgotten, sprang out of the trade union movement, is the natural home of left-wingers, or real socialists if you like. But I don't want a party of just lefties, nor do I want undue traction. What I don't want is Tory-lites such as Blair and Starmer telling lefties where to get off and trying to make Labour "a party of the narrow middle ground." I like the notion of the broad church. As I said, the left are not just going to go away because Starmer et al bully them out of the party. By the way, it was plain for all to see what was going on with the harassment and eventual expulsion of Corbyn, and it was plain to see how a trivial throwaway remark from Becky was the pathetic excuse to demote her. Principles don't come into it, but running scared of the Daily Mail definitely does. He's a follower, not the fearless leader we sorely need. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Oct 22 - 01:02 PM From an interesting small newsletter called Wall Street on Parade a look at the new UK Prime Minister: A Former Goldman Sachs/Hedge Fund Guy Is the New U.K. Prime Minister The newly installed U.K. Prime Minister, Rishi Sunak, (the third PM in seven weeks) has scrubbed his Goldman Sachs and hedge fund career from his LinkedIn profile and from his official government bio. But, unfortunately for Sunak, those careers have been assiduously chronicled in countless newspaper articles for more than a decade – and not in a good way. The rest is at the link. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Oct 22 - 12:30 PM Like you, I regretted Starmer’s sacking of Rebecca, but the truth is that neither you, nor I, nor anyone else here, knows the full, unvarnished truth about what went on behind closed doors at Labour HQ, or in the Leader of the Opposition’s Office in Westminster, so I try not to leap to judgment. Whatever, I’m hoping that the fact she was put up to appear on Politics Live representing the LP today is an indication of her star being in the ascendence once more. Hopefully, Starmer and his inner circle have realised that there are those on the Left of the Party, Rebecca being just one, who have much to contribute as the next GE comes closer. And as someone who is not, has never been, and will probably never be, a member of the LP, I have no idea what Labour members actually mean when they ‘call for unity’ (and I strongly suspect that what you state above as ‘fact’ is actually nothing more than guesswork in support of the defensive position you’ve taken over the Left’s failure to gain real and permanent traction in the Party in recent times). However, what I do know after fifty years of working in senior management in Engineering, Mining, Shipping, and Plastics Processing, are the true meanings of the words ‘co-operate’, ‘compromise’, and ‘unity’, and when I use them in regard to the LP, I mean them in precisely their true meaning - nothing more, nothing less, and certainly not in the skewed sense of the words you always seem to infer whenever this issue is raised. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Oct 22 - 11:29 AM Yep, she's good. But, instead of employing the talents of an articulate leftie such as Becky, Starmer sidelined her as soon as he could on the flimsiest of pretexts. That's what the right wing of Labour mean when they "call for unity." It means agree with me and toe the line or you're out. Even if it takes the Big Lie to get rid of an inconvenient leftie ("Corbyn is an antisemite"), they won't hesitate to do it, even if it means giving a bunch of pro-Bibi lying toads free rein. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Oct 22 - 07:47 AM ”Or perhaps mention of the left makes you rather uncomfortable...?” Not uncomfortable at all Steve - I’m the guy who has repeatedly appealed here for all elements of the LP, no matter whether Left, Right, or Centre, to stop fighting each other, get together and co-operate, compromise where necessary, and work to serve the people who need a Labour government the most. I’m currently enjoying a relaxed RLB making mince-meat of that cockwomble, Bim Afolami, on Politics Live. |