BS: Brexit & other UK political topics

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jul 22 - 04:38 AM

Lifted this from SM this morning, very impressed - absolutely nail/head:-

TWO WORDS

Take your parties and your lies
Just go
Take your jolly clown disguise
Just go
Take your bumbling delusion
Take your cliches, fake confusion
Your corrupted constitution
Go
You’ve had too much of our time
And now the answer’s “No”
Please Prime Minister
Just go

Take your blatant disregard
Just go
Them’s the breaks, however hard
Just go
Take your non-integrity
Your lack of morality
And no common decency
Go
We’re all sick and we’re all tired
Of the Boris Johnson show
Please Prime Minister
Just go

Take your ego and control
Just go
Your empty, blackened, selfish soul
Just go
Take your narcissistic greed
All your cronies and your greed
Every sordid dirty deed
Go
Take your failings, every one
Every body blow
Please Prime Minister
Just go

Take your stupid unkempt hair
Just go
All the untucked shirts you wear
Just go
Take your cheese and take your wine
Your entitled party line
Overdue but now’s the time
Go
Leave means leave means leave
As Brexiteers all know
Please Prime Minister
Just go

Take this fake buffoonery
Just go
The Bunter-lite cartoonery
Just go
Take your crass duplicity
Poison and toxicity
All your moral bankruptcy
Go
Goodbye and good riddance
You reap all that you sow
Please Prime Minister
Just go

Everybody’s had enough
Of all your superficial stuff
Be you sacked or overthrown or simply just struck off
Two words Mister Johnson
…. Just go

Paul Cookson
Poem 901
Saturday 9th July 2022

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jul 22 - 04:08 AM

Will the Tory toadies who tried to tar Starmer with the same brush as Johnson over lockdown now be charged with wasting police time?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 08:24 PM

I don't think that either of them were a party.

I do think that there were parties at number 10 during lockdown. I was not invited to any of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 08:01 PM

Ah yes, but dishy Rishi was clearly bang to rights according to those incriminating photos. In contrast, Starmer was cleared, rightly in my view, because, as the police said, there was no case to answer. For chrissake you've got to eat. Be honest: did those hazy snaps through that window REALLY look like a party?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 07:54 PM

Well I imagine that Rishi was not happy about getting a fine for attending that 'party'. I think nearly all here would not have been happy either. I do wonder if he thought about disputing it but was persuaded otherwise for the good of the 'party' party. He is probably wishing that the Durham police had investigated the matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 07:16 PM

Dishy Rishi is the current bookmakers' favourite. Well why not. A convict replaced by another convict. Plus ça change...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 04:57 PM

ben wallace will be the next leader, but he will not win a general elction because he is bald, when was the last time a uk politician with a bald head won a general election

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 04:56 PM

Well, they aren’t called ‘The Self-servatives’ for nothing…

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 03:01 PM

So Peter Bone has been appinyed Depury Leader of the House, a role which has not existed while Johnson has been PM so far.

I don't know about you, but to me that looks like a pay rise and miniatrial pension for doing nothing but as a reward for Bone's unconditional support.

I.e. the sleeze continues.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 01:02 PM

Very good Bonzo, have you anything to say about the rest of my post:

"I suppose once you have a leader who is renoun for mendacity, who you know will betray you for next to nothing but you are stuck with, you will go to any lengths to distract attention away from his law breaking.

The ONLY MP to be a convicted criminal is how he should be remembered."

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 12:28 PM

punk folk rocker has been quiet lately.
Rishi Sunak at 4/1,
Sajid Javid at 10/1,
Dominic Raab at 14/1 (the same as Tom Tugendhat - both family names are of Czech Jewish origin),
Nadhim Zahawi at 16/1,
Priti Patel ....
yes every single one of those above will not be chosen as next leader.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 11:53 AM

"oh look over there" ......................"where"
there - there's a lady that I used to know
She's married now or engaged or something, so I'm told
Is she really going out with him?
Is she really gonna take him home tonight?
Is she really going out with him?
'Cause if my eyes don't deceive me, there's something going wrong around here

bom bom, bom bom ..................................

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 09:31 AM

Some years ago, an anonymous Labour elder statesman said, to one of the reporters for The New European, that the next leader of the Tories would be another Brextremist ("for the hard of thinking"), followed by a more wily politician who could actually do the job. Looks like said Labour grandee was right.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 08:56 AM

Not too surprising DMcG, I considered it always as a tory ploy ... the "oh look over there" variety.

I suppose once you have a leader who is renoun for mendacity, who you know will betray you for next too nothing but you are stuck with, you will go to any lengths to distract attention away from his law breaking.

The ONLY MP to be a convicted criminal is how he should be remembered.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 07:51 AM

Thank you kindly!

In other news:

Sir Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner did not break Covid laws and will not be fined over Beergate, Durham Police have announced.

A spokesperson added: “There is no case to answer for a contravention of the regulations, due to the application of an exception, namely reasonably necessary work.”

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 07:26 AM

If it had been anyone other than you, DMcG, I would have pointed out your error, but you’re such a polite, civil, and kind gentleman on here, I would have felt it very churlish indeed to do so! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 07:05 AM

Talking of 'foreign names', I seem to have started a trend on here of misspelling "Tugendhat". Sorry about that!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 06:59 AM

We met Tom Tugenhat at a garden party a few years ago, he's an excellent chap and would make a good PM.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 06:40 AM

Brilliant Doug!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 05:47 AM

…and let’s not forget that de Pfeffel is American by birth.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Boris-Johnson

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 05:29 AM

...his name will go against him the brexiteers do not like foreign names

Rishi Sunak at 4/1,
Sajid Javid at 10/1,
Dominic Raab at 14/1 (the same as Tom Tugendhat - both family names are of Czech Jewish origin),
Nadhim Zahawi at 16/1,
Priti Patel ....

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 04:54 AM

Tom Tugenhat.is imo the most likely winner. from the point of view of winning the next general election however his name will go against him the brexiteers do not like foreign names

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Jul 22 - 03:14 AM

It is only to be expected that many of the cabinet seriously think about standing for PM. By definition, almost anyone in the cabinet, at any time, is likely to be very ambitious. Johnson surrounded himself with people whose most important attribute was loyalty to him. Actual ability was very much a secondary consideration.

So if we rush this, we will almost certainly end up with a PM who lacks ability. And, which Johnson hanging on as PM, there is talk of rushing it to get the shortlist whittled down to two in around 10 days.

We are very likely to end up with another hopeless PM, I am afraid.

My preference, for what it is worth, would be Tom Tugenhat. I think it does need to be someone outside the cabinet. He has potential to be better than that.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 07:23 PM

In a moment of whimsy, I went on the Betfred website (for the first and last time ever) to see what the betting was like on the next Tory leader. Here goes:

So far, only one would-be leader has put her hat into the ring ahead of the Prime Minister’s formal resignation speech on Thursday afternoon – and that’s Attorney General Suella Braverman who is 33/1 to land the top job.

The big mover in the market is Defence Secretary Wallace – the ex-Scots Guard captain and Wyre and Preston North MP who worked as a ski instructor in Austria before moving to Sandhurst.

The 52-year-old, who lists his hobbies as rugby, skiing, motorsports and horse racing, was 8/1 to become the next Tory leader not long ago, but is now the outright favourite at 9/4 after up to £5,000 was wagered on him on Thursday morning in London and in Lancashire.

Next in the betting is ex-chancellor Rishi Sunak at 4/1, ahead of Penny Mordaunt at 6/1 – while the odds have come in slightly on Foreign Secretary Liz Truss who is quoted at 7/1.

Sajid Javid, who started the wave of resignations on Tuesday evening, is available at 10/1, while at 14/1 is Jeremy Hunt, Dominic Raab and Tom Tugendhat.

The new chancellor, Nadhim Zahawi, is 16/1 – and it’s 20/1 bar.

God help us.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 05:43 PM

He has not gone yet. That speech of his seems intended to keep his options open. Ihope that things proceed in an orderly fashion. We could all do with a period of calm.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 05:41 PM

You know what, that was a really fair, warm and dignified resignation speech from Boris.

Good on him.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 04:17 PM

I'll tell you what: I'd ten times rather have Boris Johnson as PM than Suella Braverman...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 03:56 PM

Oh, the delicious irony! You don’t get irony do you, Bonz?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 03:11 PM

Suella Braverman wanting to be PM proves that stupid people really are too stupid to understand how stupid they are.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 02:34 PM

There is a strong chance he will be gone in four months and a much smaller unfortunate chance it will take longer keb.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 02:24 PM

BwM: Is this the dream world where you can escape after seven years, or the one where you dance away a century in one night? (I *knew* there was a reason I went grepping for Tam Lin, but I managed to escape the clutches of e-Faerie before dawn. Methinks there's a song in that somewhere.)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 01:23 PM

I have just made an executive decision, which the Management has agreed with: we'll drink the white wine tonight to celebrate half a victory, and save the Prosecco for when Bunter finally gets removed from the Remove for good an' all. Meanwhile, folks, hang on to yer tin 'ats .... :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 12:05 PM

And, as always, Jonathan Pie has his finger fair and square on the button, and tells it the way those of us who haven’t allowed ourselves to be drawn, entranced, into the Tory delusional dream-world have always known it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 10:14 AM

Not yet.....

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 09:51 AM

he's gone, he's gone, he's gooooooone . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 09:31 AM

It's SFA to do with 'herd instinct' on the part of the Tory Party - they've let him get away with murder for the past three years - and everything to do with Johnson's own 'Trump Instinct'.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 09:04 AM

He blamed months of "sledging." He blamed the Westminster herd instinct. What he didn't do is accept even a scintilla of blame on himself. Not a hint of contrition.

If I were king of the world I'd ban anyone who was still supporting him after six months ago from ever taking public office again.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 08:00 AM

He is still not taking responsibility. It is now the fault of the Conservative Party herd instinct. He has done nothing wrong and worked wonders for the country. Completely delusional.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 07:48 AM

"the Tories are no longer a legitimate party of government."

Yes they are, they have an large elected majority and there is no need for a Generous Election until January 2025!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 07:31 AM

All I know is that I am worried for Larry the Cat.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Neil D
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 07:31 AM

So, when is the next general election? Does anyone know yet? I read somewhere that one is mandated for 2024 but there could be one sooner if not soon. What factor(s) determine when one is to be held?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 07:30 AM

Someone just said on the BBC that he’s planning to stay on as ‘Caretaker PM’ and currently forming his cabinet. Can it really be true?

Strings are being pulled, buttons pressed, methinks, by the tiny cadre of immensely-wealthy non-Dom tax-exiles who run politics in the UK - Johnson is their puppet after all…

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 07:18 AM

In my opinion, he has to go now. The trouble is that, despite their majority, the Tories are no longer a legitimate party of government. They have lost a leader who they (mostly) were backing to the hilt until a few days ago (which says everything about their spineless and disastrous misjudgement), even lying about him in order to protect him. Ministers have left in droves, leaving the country in a state of paralysis. There's no way he can run an effective administration from now until September or October, and such is the disarray in the party that it's hard to see how anyone else can pull the show back together. Somehow, we need a general election. After all this, I can see Starmer winning it, in spite of his deficiencies. He did quite well at PMQs yesterday, but an election campaign is a long time in politics...

I suppose we can have a snap election only if he stays at the helm as PM...Discuss... We can be glad he's going, but what a bloody mess...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 07:10 AM

Looks like Johnson’s words are coming back to bite him on his more-than-ample arse.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 06:59 AM

Boris has no honour Donuel. Until this morning he was kicking and screaming to stay in power. He has been forced to resign, not chosen to.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 06:23 AM

Dave, Trump would not step down without fighting in the streets.
Boris has 'honor?' and standards that Trump and his righties do not have.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 06:22 AM

Tell us what's abnormal then!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 05:57 AM

What is happening now is perfectly normal, and procedure will take its course. The lefties do/will not like it, but there it is!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 05:01 AM

Worth remembering Kipling it the light of the news Johnson is going:

If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same.

His departure will take a lot of anger away and there will probably be a general election before whoever replaces him has had much time to mess things up even more.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 07 Jul 22 - 04:46 AM

the charge of the lightweight brigade, that is very good