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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Donuel Date: 25 Oct 22 - 06:43 AM Sunak only has 100 million dollars but his wife has way more via her father's billion dollar business in India. I'm sure he will relate to your needs ;*/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Donuel Date: 25 Oct 22 - 06:10 AM You with the sad eyes It's hard to take courage In a world full of people The darkness inside you Can make you feel so small some have taken all they can bear I see your true colors Shining through I see your true colors So don't be afraid to let them show Your true colors True colors are revealing I see your true colors Shining through (true colors) I see your true colors Your true colors reveal your hate Like a tantrum This world makes you crazy I see your true colors Shining through I see your true colors shining through (some of you) hate some colors Mmm mm |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 25 Oct 22 - 05:25 AM "Meanwhile, we’re stuck with the Tories and Sunak until 2024" Don't include me in your "we". The next United Kingdom general election is scheduled to be held no later than January 2025. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Oct 22 - 05:02 AM Hmmm. When old crocks, whether here or down the pub, stop talking about politics, democracy stops too. I understand that Putin, for example, has promoted an ethos in Russia that completely discourages anyone from talking politics, to the extent that most people are no longer interested. I don't think that's safe. Same old, mebbe. But while we're free to do it, we should do it. Or perhaps mention of the left makes you rather uncomfortable...? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Oct 22 - 04:55 AM …and isn’t it a bit ironic that someone who looks like an alcoholic and a heart-attack-waiting-to-happen should be in charge of the NHS anyway! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Oct 22 - 01:27 AM I’m not sure KS spends much time perusing the BS-section of a little-known, ostensibly Blues-and Folk-music oriented, Internet forum! Or any of the major players in UK political life, for that matter. And I doubt that any of them, irrespective of Party-affiliation, would give a toss about what half-a-dozen old crocks arguing the same-old, same-old over and over ad nauseam think anyway. ;-) Meanwhile, we’re stuck with the Tories and Sunak until 2024. Hopefully, though, we’ll see the back of Coffey before she has a chance to do too much damage - if ever there was a perfect example of someone promoted beyond their abilities, she’s surely it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Oct 22 - 06:35 PM I mentioned Becky Long-Bailey yesterday after she made a perfectly reasonable pitch for traditional Labour values. She's on Peston tonight and has articulated again just the bold line that Labour must take from now on if we want the Tories gone. One thing's for sure (and I keep on saying it...): the left will not go away and you try to drive them out at your peril. They will always find a voice in trade union branches and local constituency Labour Party branches. Even down the pub if I'm down there. Watch and learn, Sir Keir. We belong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Raggytash Date: 24 Oct 22 - 05:22 PM " I, frankly, don't want Asians in power in my country; it's our world/our U.N. that should be multicultural." Ye gods do we really have to be subjected to this sort of racism? There you go Bonzo.
Nope. He's history. Too many times he has posted his racist views. The note in the record is clear - don't let him back in again. ---mudelf |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 24 Oct 22 - 04:47 PM This might take a few minutes - don't turn off your PC!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 24 Oct 22 - 04:43 PM So, after the pink gammons and blue rinsers of the rank and file Tory membership reject a dark skinned leader, the parliamentary party reverse that decision. You couldn't make this stuff up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 24 Oct 22 - 04:32 PM Do you really expect to get away with racism like that WAV? And think people will put up with it? You need help... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Oct 22 - 03:46 PM Incidentally, he's a British citizen and his parents came here from Africa. Nowt like checking your facts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Oct 22 - 03:37 PM Sunak was born in Southampton General Hospital. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 24 Oct 22 - 03:09 PM Re Ready4Rishi NOT, Gandhi (rightly) did NOT want Europeans in power in Asia (using non-violent non-cooperation against it) & I, frankly, don't want Asians in power in my country; it's our world/our U.N. that should be multicultural. You are a racist. And you are toast. ---mudelf |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Nigel Parsons Date: 24 Oct 22 - 03:06 PM . . . the vessel with the pestle No, you want the chalice, from the palace! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Oct 22 - 02:42 PM Grr. I should have said poisoned chalice, not poison chalice! At least I got there before the pedants swooped in... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 24 Oct 22 - 01:07 PM I do hope this puts an end to the incompetance and dishonesty. We know it will not be good for the electorate, particulary the poorest, but at least we should be able to trust that the government will no longer flout laws and play footloose with the truth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Oct 22 - 09:39 AM It's certain to be made official. It's time now for the opposition parties to stop bleating about a general election. We know it would be the right thing to do, but it isn't happening. Sunak will steady the Tory ship and will, I think, see out the full term of this government. What Labour needs to do now (apart from being secretly thankful that they haven't inherited the poison chalice) is to work bloody hard on putting a genuine alternative to the British people. That does not mean doing a Blair-lite and it does not mean shutting up the left of the party. Unless I'm wrong about the timing of the next election, I feel that Starmer can't cut it and that we are doomed to another Tory term. God, I can be gloomy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 24 Oct 22 - 09:08 AM 7 mins ago The Guardian says Rishi Sunak is new PM. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 24 Oct 22 - 08:14 AM Steve, the Guardian is a Paper that traditionally supported the liberal Party, AND IMO it still is |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 24 Oct 22 - 04:44 AM > siege mentality Already there, ol' boy. Upstairs, we have a hoard of non-perishables and medium-term perishables, on which we do careful stock rotation. Herself calls it the Brexit Stash, which shows how long ago we've been maintaining it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 24 Oct 22 - 03:54 AM johnson 'a survivor'? looks to me like a heart attack waiting to happen. if he does survive he seems likely to be a declining, farcical, increasingly marginal figure - lets hope so... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Mr Red Date: 24 Oct 22 - 03:06 AM Whatever you say about Boris, he is a survivor. Listen to history. The prospects are that with the buffo back, the silent majority, who would overwhelmingly vote him out, ie "the country" would be heading to share a disaster. More than it seems to be right now. I recommend a siege mentality. Hoarding non-perishables. With inflation as it is - it would also save a small amount of money (think graphical triangles). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 23 Oct 22 - 06:19 PM "The former Labour leadership contender Rebecca Long-Bailey has called for Labour to drop its cautious approach to the economy and fight the next election on a radical manifesto including state ownership and a living standards contract between government and public." [source: Guardian] Well you should see the reaction to this. Dozens of posts below the line in the Guardian, of all places, variously telling her to shut up, that she's handing the next election to the Tories, that she should be a better tactician, that she's handed the scummy tabloids a gift, etc. Well she's hardly stretched the bounds of acceptable free speech, has she. As I've said so many times, the left in Labour have always been there and will always be there. What happened to the "broad church," fer chrissake! Labour can't win elections while the right wing of the party will always crawl out of the woodwork with this kind of frightened bollix. Half a million of us joined Labour in those days of hope when a true left-winger and man of principle became our leader. We are still here, by and large. I don't want bloody tactics, I don't want pandering fearfully to the mass media, I don't want "pragmatism," I don't want "power at all costs." I want a bit of principle, and I have enough faith to believe that an all-embracing Labour Party that welcomes all shades of left opinion would win through. Now that we have Sunak, it's clear to me that the unprincipled and weak Starmer is absolutely not the man. Honestly, I really want to be wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 23 Oct 22 - 06:10 PM One down: Alexander B**** de Pfeffel has withdrawn from the race for No 10. Tentatively *phew*. Oh, and if you read his statement about why, remember he's a chronic liar. .... The poor lassie announcing this on the BBC News 24 newspaper review (while they waited for the front pages to be updated) may have problems, and said so on air. For some reason, she couldn't help giggling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 23 Oct 22 - 06:00 PM while i'm pleased that johnson is not going for the top job, no doubt he will continue to make the story all about him. Again, good news - though obviously it's bad form to knock a party when it's down. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 22 Oct 22 - 10:48 AM They will all do damage. They don't have the interests of ordinary people at heart. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 22 Oct 22 - 08:05 AM I do not want any of them either ,that is not the point,but since they will not call an election who is the one that is likely to do the least damage or alternatively lose the next election . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 22 Oct 22 - 06:41 AM There are degrees, Doug. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 22 Oct 22 - 06:24 AM Surely they will not call an election until as many MPs as possible get the chance to resign from a ministerial appointment - 3 months easy money. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Doug Chadwick Date: 22 Oct 22 - 05:53 AM The first priorities for any Tory are survival of the party and their individual wealth-grabbing at all costs. The interests of the country come a very poor second. The first priorities for any DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 22 Oct 22 - 05:27 AM I don't want any of those scumbags. As far as I'm concerned, they have forfeited every shred of authority for running this country. If their upcoming new leader had any integrity, which they won't have, they would call an election immediately. They won't, because hundreds of Tory MPs would be down the job centre by Christmas if they did. The first priorities for any Tory are survival of the party and their individual wealth-grabbing at all costs. The interests of the country come a very poor second. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 22 Oct 22 - 05:13 AM so who do you favour as your new leader and who does her in the doghouse favour. i am not a supporter of the conservatives, but since i know little about Ms Mordaunt, i would have thought the most competent person was Sunak, but bonzo you are probably better acquainted with the candidates |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 22 Oct 22 - 04:36 AM I am not a Conservative party member, whatever gave you that idea? However, Mrs Bonzo is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 22 Oct 22 - 03:31 AM Bonzo, as a Conservative party member who will you vote for if you as a member are allowed to vote, By the way annoying lefties is deliberately trolling. if conservative party members are not allowed to vote, it would appear that they cannot be trusted by the 1922 committee and the Tory es6tablishment |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Senoufou Date: 22 Oct 22 - 03:25 AM Thank you Dave. My parents always voted for Labour, until they 'went up in the world' (father became manager for the GPO and covered the whole of West London, including Kensington Palace (interview with the late Princess Margaret about her telephone security!) so they became a bit 'posh' and changed their political leanings. I followed them and have voted Tory for donkey's years. But this latest fiasco, as you say, has shown the voters their true colours, and I bet I'm not the only one in this country who would now vote Labour instead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 22 Oct 22 - 03:16 AM I was always surprised that you voted Tory before, Sen. You are obviously a person that cares about other people and I just could not understand why you would support the party of greed and selfishness. I guess if there is one thing this rabble has done, it is show people what they really are. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Senoufou Date: 22 Oct 22 - 01:52 AM I have come to the conclusion that quite a large majority of the British public see politicians as people on those dreadful 'reality shows' on TV. They will choose a candidate who is 'funny', 'bumbling', 'dishy', 'woefully inadequate' etc. (I don't myself watch these ghastly programmes, but I'm thinking of 'I'm A Celebrity', 'Strictly Come Dancing' etc.) People don't generally see that looks and personality aren't as important as competence, integrity, political experience and effectiveness, regard for the needy not the rich and so on. If a General Election is called, I will vote Labour. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 22 Oct 22 - 01:19 AM A very good piece from Marina Hyde in Friday’s Guardian. It’s become apparent that the Tories are desperate to retain power in the face of the crisis they’ve inherited from themselves, but are they truly so insane as to bring back a serially-lying, morally-bereft degenerate as their leader and our PM? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 21 Oct 22 - 05:17 PM Yes, that is the one. I would prefer a general election. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 21 Oct 22 - 01:11 PM Good for her!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 21 Oct 22 - 01:06 PM So this would be Sunak, whose wife is in possession of utterly unearned £800 million and who was a untaxed non-dom until she got sussed? That Sunak? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 21 Oct 22 - 12:48 PM I would like to see a general election and a change of government. I think the most competent people to lead the Tories is possibly Sunak, I do not know much about Mordaunt |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 21 Oct 22 - 12:31 PM Fair comment |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 21 Oct 22 - 11:34 AM I wouldn't say the Great Train Robbers were entirely losers: the bulk of the money was never recovered, and there's one or two people who were never identified, let alone brought to justice. Alexander B**** de Pfeffel, and the crowd of incompetents he was careful to surround himself with, are more like the robbers in The Great St Trinian's Train Robbery, except that they're playing with real peoples' lives. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 21 Oct 22 - 10:32 AM Johnson has failed once, but the British seem to love people who fail, Lord Franklin,Lord Cardigan, The Young Pretender, The Old Pretender, Scott OF The Antartic, Eddie The Eagle, The Great Train Robbers.Donald Crowhurst, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 21 Oct 22 - 10:25 AM it seems like forever that the morning news has been the same - a tory mouth will take his/her turn to make lies and excuses for their most recent crimes and stupidities. it's just depressing and wearying. we (sentient uk citizens) can only assume that people who still continue to support this are really very angry with the rest of us and enjoy seeing us punished (remainer tears?) Fair enough but is this really the most important thing in your political assessment, your country? you idiots |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 21 Oct 22 - 10:13 AM The problem with johnson is it will never accept scrutiny, and any questioning will just result in bombastic, irrelevant lies, with no mechanism in parliament for these to be called out. All opposition can do is raise the questions at PMQs and present viable alternative policies and avoid eating bacon sandwiches. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 21 Oct 22 - 10:06 AM Not beg, I was excluded from the EU against my will, but DEMAND immediate, unconditional and full reinstatement. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 21 Oct 22 - 09:45 AM not all racist. some were very wealthy. all were misled. all were happy to believe excuses for their racism. all guilty of damaging our country and all of us in it because they couldn't be arsed to think it through. perhaps now is the time for a total rethink in what it may be like to live in a modern progressive wealthy country, but first we will have to beg to be admitted to the EU |