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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 21 Sep 22 - 12:58 PM That sounds remarkably like populism, John, and that is what got us into this mess in the first place! Hopefully we will eventually get a Labour party that people will realise is right for the country and not just for them. If the Daily Heil allow it... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: DMcG Date: 21 Sep 22 - 12:41 PM There is a podcast called "The Rest is Politics" by Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart which I find well worth listening to. The latest edition that I listened to today was an interview with Mark Drakeford who is First Minister of Wales and leader of the Welsh Labour Party. I thought he spoke a great deal of sense about his experiences of working with other parties in Wales. To me, that is also relevant to the tribalism on the various branches of the English Labour Party. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 21 Sep 22 - 10:34 AM It’s up to them, Dave, not my problem, they’re supposed to be the clever ones. But they need to work out how to get voters on-side - that’s what wins elections. SFA to do with membership numbers, or people arguing about who’s the ‘best’ Socialist, everything to do with Joe and Joan Public liking what you’re telling them and, more importantly, believing it. Just my humble, non-member’s opinion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Raggytash Date: 21 Sep 22 - 08:51 AM Don't know about you Raindog, but I tend to plan ahead. If my contract for my phone or my internet or my gas and electric (for example) is due to expire in the coming months I have already made arrangements to either extend the contract or change to a new suppplier long before the contract expires. I would not wait until after that date to start negoiating a new one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Dave the Gnome Date: 21 Sep 22 - 08:26 AM But whose harmony should they sing along with, John? Tory light or those who actually want to help the people? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 21 Sep 22 - 08:09 AM ”Labour need to start getting their arse in gear then.” They do indeed, and a very good start would be if the various factions stopped kicking each other in the balls, put their ideological dogmas aside, and started working in harmony to serve those who need a Labour government the most - the vulnerable, the poor, the ordinary working people. Ideology and dogma don’t win elections and, if the party doesn’t win elections, those ideologies and dogmas are absolutely worthless to the people the LP is supposed to represent. Time they got their heads round that simple fact. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 21 Sep 22 - 07:53 AM "So how is it after 6 years we still do not have a post brexit deal with the USA." We officially left on 1.1.21 and were then able to negotiate deals with other countries. We will have to wait and see how those deals work out, providing we have deals of course. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 21 Sep 22 - 07:31 AM Labour need to start getting their arse in gear then. They cannot just rely on getting votes from those who are fed up with the 'current lot', even though that tends to be the British way, whichever party is the 'current lot'. Not sure how well organised they are in Kent. There is only one Labour MP in the county and relations between her and both the local and national organisation are not the best. Here in Dover and Deal there appears to be a dispute between the local and regional offices regarding the new candidate. He was chosen by a majority of 2 votes. 11 seniors members of the local party have submitted a complaint about the selection process, claiming it was not fair. Not sure what the situation is now. I have started watching the repeats of Our Friends in the North on BBC4. Episodes 4, 5 & 6 are on tonight. I am also in the process of reading Private Eye:The 60 Year Book. It reminds me of all the scandals over the years, some of which I remember and some I don't. It does make you think if it is worth voting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Raggytash Date: 21 Sep 22 - 07:22 AM I seem to recall that Brexiteers told us that we could forge Trade deals across the Globe after we left Europe, that we would be unbound and unfettered by their red tape and stand alone as a great trading nation. So how is it after 6 years we still do not have a post brexit deal with the USA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 21 Sep 22 - 06:59 AM A nice piece from Attila the Stockbroker on FarceBook today… ”ONE LETTER A General Ejection. Yes, that’s right - with a J. Takes more than an election To make mindsets go away. No more talk of ‘our betters’ Of ‘they were born to rule’ My grandmother’s great mantra - The servile Tory fool. I’ve had it with the serfers. Yes, that’s right - with an E. The cap doffers and flaggers Will never speak for me. So many of my age group Once rocked, now know their role. Just sad, complacent climbers Up Thatcher’s greasy pole. We need a revelation. Yes, that’s right - with an A. A simple realisation: There is a better way. The evidence around me Points to a simple truth: Their elders have betrayed them. It will come from the youth.” Fingers crossed… |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 06 Sep 22 - 05:12 AM I am sure trusspot will suffer self serving corrupt tory little proverbials though.' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: robomatic Date: 05 Sep 22 - 08:34 PM And again, from Spike Milligan: Cheer up, dear listerners, Old England isn't finished yet. . . It's finished.. . . CLUNK . . . NOW! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 Sep 22 - 07:33 PM Johnson has promised to make her a peer. Job for life. I wish we could make her dis-a-peer... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 05 Sep 22 - 06:39 PM Nadine Dorries resigning as well. Not sure what to make of that. Nadine Dorries joins Patel in quitting cabinet after Truss named next PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 Sep 22 - 01:39 PM She resigned because she knew she was going to be sacked. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 05 Sep 22 - 01:22 PM "Good luck with Liz. She seems easily manipulated to me but a bit less whacky than Boris." Easily manipulated? Who do you think is doing the manipulation? I see Priti Patel has resigned. I take it that she and Liz don't get on. It will be interesting to see who accepts that poisoned chalice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 05 Sep 22 - 08:58 AM She's as dull as ditchwater, as thick as p*igsh*it and she's incapable of stringing an English-language sentence together. She's more than once called British workers bone idle, yet seems unable to see that Boris Johnson is bone idle. Which he is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 05 Sep 22 - 08:51 AM I am more than pleased to welcome Liz Truss as Prime Minster. I do not think she will suffer labour fools gladly!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Raggytash Date: 05 Sep 22 - 08:27 AM I wouldn't trust her to run a tea stall never mind the country. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Donuel Date: 05 Sep 22 - 08:05 AM Good luck with Liz. She seems easily manipulated to me but a bit less whacky than Boris. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: DMcG Date: 02 Sep 22 - 07:07 AM No we we are outside the EU the protected status of things like Stilton no longer applies in law. But I suspect the EU is happy to maintain because we are respecting their protected origin goods. If we took action to say we would not repect thise I think we would suffer badly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 02 Sep 22 - 06:38 AM ”…so that corporates can add a few million more onto their balance sheets” …not to mention a few million more on to their shareholders’ dividends. Which, to Tory BrexShitters, was the whole point of BrexShit, n’est-ce pas? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 02 Sep 22 - 06:34 AM Surely it would be a good thing for leave voters to see an end to EU regional protection so that cheap produce can be flown into the UK from anywhere in the world and legitimately label itself as stilton, cornish pasty, Islay malt, etc etc and force UK manufacturers out of business so that corporates can add a few million more onto their balance sheets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: DMcG Date: 02 Sep 22 - 02:28 AM Despite rumours to the contrary, neither the EU, nor the UK, nor any of the countries making up the EU, nor (most) other countries make up regulations for the fun of it. They are always about balancing interests of the various parties. For example some of the earliest food regulations in the US were about stopping businesses adulterating flour. There is only one potential set of regulations that it might be in the interests of both UK citizens and UK businesses to scrap, and they are ones put in place to protect EU special interests. One talked about at the time of the referendum was, if I remember rightly, regulations about competing with olive oil producers in Greece. Scrapping any other type of regulation is very likely to be against the interests of UK citizens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 31 Aug 22 - 02:30 PM Talk is all it is, Rain Dog. There's a good article on p20 of last week's New European: "The phoney war on red tape", by Jonty Bloom. He points out, amongst other things:
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 31 Aug 22 - 01:10 PM For all the talk about cutting red tape from recent Tory Governments, both Tory & Labour seem reluctant to do anything about cutting tax regulations. The tax regulations are well overdue for reform and simplification. I will not be holding my breath though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Raggytash Date: 31 Aug 22 - 12:23 PM Aah Bonzo, are you lonely, do you need someone to talk to. There's always the Samaritans and I've always liked the Salvation Army. I'm sure they could help. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 31 Aug 22 - 09:33 AM There are VAT savings to be made by a property owner! When a builder converts, for example, an office into flats, his services will be subject to 5% VAT. This reduced rate of VAT also extends to any materials he provides as part of his work. The professional fees charged by architects and surveyors will always be charged at 20% VAT. However, if the 5% VAT rate applies to the building work, some VAT planning could be undertaken. The professionals could provide their services to the builder. If he is VAT registered, he can recover the 20% VAT input tax. If the builder’s contract with the property owner is for a ‘design and build’ service, the builder will charge 5% VAT on his entire fee, including the materials and the professional fees. This will produce a huge VAT saving for the property developer. Architectural or design services, supplied as part of a ‘design and build’ residential conversion contract can be treated as part of the 5% VAT rated supply of construction services. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: peteglasgow Date: 31 Aug 22 - 06:23 AM enjoy your night, mate... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 29 Aug 22 - 10:07 AM Johnson back in No 10 - an excellent thought!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Aug 22 - 05:37 AM Sharon Graham, the general secretary of Unite, has told the Labour Party to get a spine, which is a euphemism for grow a pair. Too bloody right. In just over two years' time we face the prospect of Trump in the White House and Johnson in Number Ten. Both countries are sleepwalking into this nightmare and what they have in common is a complete absence of effective opposition. This Labour leader is a disaster. His telling his ministers not to join workers on picket lines will come back to bite him bigtime. He thinks he can shout unrealistic "we have a plan" plans from the sidelines, shouts that are either laughable, ignorable or both. His effort to sideline the left is an automatic party-splitter and election-loser. No bullets are being bitten. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 29 Aug 22 - 03:24 AM People on low income could take out massive loans and buy a merc or a range-rover, and the saving on the VAT would then be more than enough to deal with the cost of living crisis for a few months. The only problem might be there would be so much toxic sub-prime lending the banking system would collapse within a year, but hey, think of the lovely banker bonuses now they are no longer capped. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 29 Aug 22 - 02:28 AM how will vat tax cuts help poor people with their bills and energy costs, and how much will it cost to implement , perhaps bonzo 3 legs might answer for once |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 28 Aug 22 - 09:36 AM So, simple question - why is it impossible for a billionaire to survive on £10,000 but£500 mote than enough for a student nurse. Do you consider them an inferior species to those with more wealth than they wpould ever need several lifetimes over. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 28 Aug 22 - 09:25 AM > you will be telling us that you are a Conservative MP next, Or are > you liz Truss Is that an either/or question? or have you been listening to Dead Ringers again? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: The Sandman Date: 28 Aug 22 - 07:56 AM bonzo prove that you are an accountant, you will be telling us that you are a Conservative MP next, Or are you liz Truss |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Aug 22 - 04:45 PM Righty Whataboutery and deflection once again, in fact it’s never ending!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The last refuge of the clueless. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 27 Aug 22 - 03:54 PM Lefty drivel once again, in fact it's never ending!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 27 Aug 22 - 02:00 PM Well we have 177 billionaires in the UK, probably including multi-billionaires, so reducing their wealth to the last million or two wouldn't see them starve. If, say, £10,000/week is not enough to live on, then minimum wage, basic pension and welfare safety nets are due for an urgent uplift. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Aug 22 - 01:43 PM More deflection by a clueless Tory supporter. The Tories got us in to this mess, it’s they who need to get us out of it - their responsibility, nobody else’s. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 27 Aug 22 - 01:15 PM You don't have any answers do you, go on admit it!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Aug 22 - 12:23 PM ”And how would the Labour party have handled the cost of living crisis, I am yet to see a viable solution!!!” Whataboutery and deflection - the last refuges of a supporter of the selfish, greedy, and totally clueless Tories!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Bonzo3legs Date: 27 Aug 22 - 10:26 AM And how would the Labour party have handled the cost of living crisis, I am yet to see a viable solution!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Aug 22 - 07:32 AM Aha! This is very funny. It would be even funnier if it wasn’t so horribly true…Honest Government Ad… No apologies for the bad language - those Tory Twats are enough to make the Pope swear. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 27 Aug 22 - 06:23 AM I once saw the definition of a baby as "a gastrointestinal tract with a loud noise one end and no sense of responsibility at the other". With a politician, how can you tell which end is which? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: DMcG Date: 27 Aug 22 - 06:02 AM I have just been listening to Rory Stewart's The long history of argument. I find it hard to imagine Johnson, Truss or Sunak being able to do something so reasoned, wide ranging and erudite. Once again, I am reminded that the whole of the Conservative party, and hence the country, could be in a very different place if he had won instead of Johnson. Sure, I won't agree with him on everything, and he would have had to find a way of handling the pandemic and the cost of living crisis as well, which could blow him off course. But I am convinced he would have tried to work in the country's best interest, not just his own. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 26 Aug 22 - 03:15 PM Re Marina Hyde's comment: Nail Head, this is Hammer Head; Hammer, meet Nail. I'm increasingly of the opinion that Trussed ("because I'm worthless") is only ahead because she's de Pfeffel's anointed successor, and that he's only anointing her because he doesn't want to go down in history as the worst English PM of all time. .... And oh how I wish I'd perverted that scent tag-line earlier, while it still had a chance to change at least one mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Rain Dog Date: 26 Aug 22 - 09:33 AM I agree with you about John Crace and not just because he is a Spurs supporter. + The Electoral Commission 2021 accounts makes for interesting reading. I was surprised by the amount of income that Labour have. Electoral Commission - 2021 Party Accounts |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 Aug 22 - 07:19 AM She's a gem of a commentator, that's for sure. May the good Lord preserve forever Marina and John Crace (who my sister once met at a conference - she told me that he's a lovely man). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics From: DMcG Date: 26 Aug 22 - 07:14 AM We have not quoted Marina Hyde, for a long time. Here's a gem from today's article. The UK needs a titanic figure; it feels like it’s getting a Titanic one. Truss is the relentlessly perky crew member trying to disguise the rush for the lifeboats as proof the cruise firm’s shore excursions are extremely popular. |