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BS: Brexit & other UK political topics

Steve Shaw 18 Jan 22 - 07:08 PM
Steve Shaw 18 Jan 22 - 06:46 PM
Allan Conn 18 Jan 22 - 06:12 PM
Steve Shaw 18 Jan 22 - 05:56 PM
Stilly River Sage 18 Jan 22 - 05:36 PM
Steve Shaw 18 Jan 22 - 05:08 PM
Backwoodsman 18 Jan 22 - 04:44 PM
Stilly River Sage 18 Jan 22 - 03:35 PM
Steve Shaw 18 Jan 22 - 03:09 PM
Dave the Gnome 18 Jan 22 - 01:49 PM
Steve Shaw 18 Jan 22 - 01:38 PM
SPB-Cooperator 18 Jan 22 - 12:01 PM
SPB-Cooperator 18 Jan 22 - 11:49 AM
Stilly River Sage 18 Jan 22 - 11:35 AM
Jeri 18 Jan 22 - 09:30 AM
Backwoodsman 18 Jan 22 - 08:11 AM
Backwoodsman 18 Jan 22 - 05:02 AM
Dave the Gnome 18 Jan 22 - 04:43 AM
DMcG 16 Jan 22 - 12:39 PM
Dave the Gnome 16 Jan 22 - 11:41 AM
Bonzo3legs 16 Jan 22 - 10:42 AM
Dave the Gnome 16 Jan 22 - 06:39 AM
SPB-Cooperator 16 Jan 22 - 06:09 AM
Dave the Gnome 15 Jan 22 - 02:54 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 07:08 PM

"To identify Britain’s 100 Most Popular Tourist Attractions, CEOWORLD magazine reviewed data from the Association of Leading Visitor Attractions (ALVA), one of the UK’s leading tourism organisations."

In their list of 100 (I had to choose a year before the pandemic influenced numbers, which in this case was 2017), the only one with a direct connection to the current royals was Kensington Palace at no 57. You could, I suppose, claim connections for the Tower of London, Hampton Court, etc., though those historical sites would still be attracting tourists had the royals been abolished 200 years ago!

There are other lists, of course, but this at least gives the flavour...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 06:46 PM

Boris Johnson (or his faithful lackeys) is talking of scrapping the BBC licence fee (I won't even try to explain to the yanks what that means, except to say that the 43.5p per day (about 58 cents) licence fee gives us unlimited advertising-free access to the BBC's renowned television and radio output as well as supporting some wonderful symphony and light-music orchestras, the Proms season every year, the superb iPlayer and BBC Sounds catch-up services, and more), of sending gunboats into the Channel to deter refugees from landing on our sceptred (sceptic?) isle and of cancelling all our covid-19 restrictions as early as next week (I might actually agree with that one). He's also making it harder for poorer people to vote and is curtailing the right to peaceful protests that are too noisy or a bit inconvenient to people driving gas-guzzling Chelsea Tractors on our motorways.

All very populist, all very distracting from the terrible self-imposed lockdown-busting mess and tissue of lies he's currently enmeshed in. Nothing is too valuable to be wrecked as long as he can save his own skin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Allan Conn
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 06:12 PM

SRS the monarchy apart from the Queen's residual powers, or perhaps we could better say duties, is not really about politics. It is arguably more to do with celebrity. Like your Kardashians but a bit posher. So yes largely a distraction. Apart from that the important folk (not for me as I am not a royalist) are the direct heirs. Charles - William - George. The political aspect being they are in line to eventually take over the duties of state. The rest is largely celebrity. Harry is no longer a working royal through his own choice. So his situation now is a story of a celeb. Not politics. He can bring his own security team when he visits or hire another if he wants. He feels he needs the official police security and says he's willing to pay. However that is still taking resources away from what they would be doing otherwise! To protect a celebrity couple and their family. I am not sure they would have the sympathy of most Brits. Could be wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 05:56 PM

If that was aimed at me, all I'm trying to do, after my rollicking from Jeri, was to get the thread back on topic. The royals' rather disreputable doings are, at best, peripheral to politics in this country. They are, of course, on the other hand, tabloid heaven, which is perhaps what you'd prefer to indulge in. If we are permitted just one politics thread, then I think we have far more important and urgent things to chat about. You could, of course, start a royals thread, which you may get away with because our royals clearly have, arguably, more appeal across the ocean than they do here.

By the way, Maggie, as for attracting tourists, locations relating to our royals seldom make it into our top twenty tourist attractions. It's far more about our long history, our national monuments, cathedrals, ancient cities and the rest, and our culture. The royals' role in attracting tourists is received-wisdom myth. Look it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 05:36 PM

You live with a monarchy relic that isn't present here, so it is of interest from this side of the pond. The monarchy is used to attract people to visit the UK like the castle is used to attract visitors to Disneyland. And your politics are frankly so mangled with complications that most of us don't understand how it works. The closest we get to a vote of confidence is our regular elections (which the GOP is trying to tamper with.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 05:08 PM

"...a convenient distraction..."

Absolutely spot-on. And what Johnson & co. want us to do is emote over the royals' shabby goings-on and stop focussing on the partying. Do understand that, Americans!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 04:44 PM

SRS, I suspect that many (most?) Americans don’t understand that a significant minority of British people don’t share the American love-affair with our Royal family, and their family-wars are of little consequence to them. Unlike your president, the Queen is not involved in our political system, except as an advisor and confidante to the PM and rubber-stamper of Acts of Parliament.

Personally, even though I marginally prefer the Queen as a benevolent, non-political Head of State over the concept of a US-style President with political power, I’d be happy to see the rule of the Monarchy end with her death or abdication, to be replaced with a Presidency along the lines of the Irish model - a ceremonial position with no involvement in politics.

I certainly have little or no interest in the wider Royal Circus. Harry and Meghan need to lie in the bed they’ve made for themselves AFAIC and, like any other citizen, Andrew needs to face, and answer in court, the charges that have been made against him. Otherwise, they amount to little more than a convenient distraction from issues the government would prefer us not to know about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 03:35 PM

It sounds like Trump's GOP party has some influence over there (if you can't win fairly, block everyone from voting so only your supporters can vote, or oversee the elections in such a way that you can cancel a lot of votes if you think you can get away with it).

The question about Harry and Meghan is based upon what is in the news here - we have most recently learned that Andrew is no longer acting as one of the Senior Royals, Johnson is trying to talk his way out trouble for going to a party during a COVID lockdown period, and Harry is having more trouble than either of those two bad actors, simply for emancipating himself from the royal framework. Andrew still lives where he does, has security, and Johnson is (for now) still prime minister. Harry appears to be shit out of luck.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 03:09 PM

Labour List sees that as a resounding victory for Labour in the Lords. Unfortunately, proposals for mandatory voter ID and new powers for ministers over the independent Electoral Commission have been passed. Another deliberate blow to our democracy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 01:49 PM

I think the policing bill is probably the most relevant but to discuss it may be seen as protesting...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 01:38 PM

We could start by ditching off-topic nonsense about a pair of sidelined ex-royals and discussing instead our serious political issues, such as the standoff between Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings, which could conceivably play a huge part in the hoped-for downfall of our resident PM liar and charlatan. After all, it is supposedly a thread about UK political topics. I guess that UK people may be the ones in pole position to best prioritise them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 12:01 PM

With regards to the Royal Family, the military, police and security services are charges with their safety. H&M (not the clothing store) have offered to pay their wy towards accessing the same services.

Private security companies would be problematic as they would need to have access to all premises for the whole royal family = tht would in itself be a security risk as they would not necessarily have the same level of vetting as the royal households' secirity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 11:49 AM

Anyway - back to politics. where do we start?

(1) Proposals to use the military to push back people seeking safety and asylum?
(2) Progress of government legislation of proposals for suppressing thousands of votes in order to prevent 2 or 3 fraudulent votes when the whole idea of enfranchisement is to encourage rather than discourage people from voting?
(3) Defeat in the House of Lords of the controversial policing bill?
(4) Johnson today stating that he was not clear what the rules he passed as Prime Minister meant in terms of holding parties while thousand of people faced restrictions on who can attend funerals - with reference to the parents who had to socially distance while attending their child's funeral.
(5)The price of milk (2 pints) goin up from 80p to 95p - 18.75% and how much of this is due to loss of EU farm subsidies?
(6) Raising of the energy cap by about 40%?

That's all I can think of for this week.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 11:35 AM

Some of the mud-slinging was cleared out.

So what is the story with Harry and Meghan not allowed to hire their own police protection if they're in the UK? The royal family isn't going to offer protection. We see news that Harry is taking this to court - so what is it about the private security business that the royal family (who live with a protective detail 24/7) can tell someone else they aren't supposed to hire? Are in fact prohibited?

Harry, who simply separated his life from that of the rest of the royal family, seems to be treated as badly as Andrew, who is being investigated for a crime. Worse, since Andrew probably still has protection.

Is this political?

AND JUST REINTRODUCE your political topics, Steve. Don't go on a rant about moderation. We can all live without it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 09:30 AM

Man, when you guys go off-topic, you REALLY go off topic.

In my opinion, this whole thread exemplifies the fighting mentality we're trying to eliminate, and should be closed...
because folks can't stick to a subject, or be polite, or not eschew personal issues in favor of...what is it this threads is supposed to be about?

I suggest turning the course of this around, and getting back to politics.

Please


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 08:11 AM

And one thing I’m absolutely certain of is that there are many far more serious and important issues we should be discussing than the rights and wrongs of my use of a single expletive. If my saying ‘fucking’ in one post is the biggest problem perceived by a few posters here, they really do need to get their heads out of the clouds and their feet back on the ground. Jesus wept!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 05:02 AM

Sorry Dave, I was busy with my matitudinal ablutions!

You’re absolutely correct, of course. And just to clarify my point for those who are clearly addicted to Tory Kool-aid, the ‘NHS Track & Trace’ system, which was an abject failure and cost £21 billion, was a government project, not an NHS operation. And the ‘Government’s Vaccination scheme’ has been organised and managed, very successfully indeed, by the NHS.

Such is the insidious nature of the Johnson Gang’s Propaganda Campaign - something so simple and so slight as switching ‘Government’ and ‘NHS’ in order to blur the lines of responsibility for success and failure.

No wonder I swear at them - they’d make the Pope swear! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Jan 22 - 04:43 AM

No words for me John? I feel left out! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 12:39 PM

So the LibDems are putting forward a vote of no confidence in Johnson.

Which is probably the only action in existence to stop MPs writing the the 1922 committee, to get most of them to rally round Johnson and, I believe, if he retains the confidence there cannot be another confidence vote for a year.

With one bound the LibDems set Johnson free ... again.

Very well done there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 11:41 AM

That addresses none of the mismanagement, negligence and corruption claim, Bonzo. The NHS has been mismanaged and neglected to the point where it can no longer cope. That is a matter of record as is the corruption of the current set of con men running the country. Even Hitler got some things right but that does not excuse all else.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 10:42 AM

"mismanagement, negligence and corruption"

Let's see -

Vaccine roll out:

Total – first dose
52,071,960

Total – second dose
47,866,176

Total – booster or third dose
36,295,768

Up to 4 Nov 2021 — £28.1 billion has been paid in SEISS grants

Up to September 2021, the total value of claims made to the CJRS reached £70 billion

Thank goodness for "mismanagement, negligence and corruption"


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 06:39 AM

I could be wrong but I think ABCD was being ironic. 'Corbyn would have been worse' is the excuse of those who voted for the corrupt set of shysters that call themselves a government


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 06:09 AM

"Everyone can surely agree that things would be so much worse, in every conceivable way, were that Jeremy Corbin in charge..."

Please enlighten us with every decision Corbyn would have made, and the evidence that you clearly have which us mere mortals are not privy to over the last 10 years. As far as I recollect, he has not been in government. Neither he has ever been a minister or Prime Minister.

As far as Johnson is concerned, his mismanagement, negligence and corruption is a matter of public record.

I am not a fan of Corbyn myself, but if you are going to make sweeping statements, then we would all like to see your evidence. It is like saying, for example, I am personally corrupt as I did not make sure that johnson did not break social distancing rules.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 02:54 AM

ABCD :-D

Bonzo, I thought you had left?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: An Buachaill Caol Dubh
Date: 14 Jan 22 - 10:53 PM

Everyone can surely agree that things would be so much worse, in every conceivable way, were that Jeremy Corbin in charge...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Jan 22 - 04:30 PM

The downside to Boris's political disintegration is that his replacement is very likely to be even worse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jan 22 - 03:16 PM

One of Johnson’s Brexit-Fruitcake MP-buddies, the oily and obnoxious Andrew Bridgen, is now calling for his resignation…

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/01/13/boris-johnson-delivered-brexit-vaccines-left-deliver-resignation/


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Jan 22 - 02:51 PM

In fact it sounds unlikely, since at tgat time Sue Gray was working in Northern Ireland.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 05:03 PM

So Steve, what's your source for that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 04:56 PM

If that is trueit means she knew about it, and even if she did not go she ought to have informed on it. I¡d have thought this should disqualify he as qualifiedro make an independent report.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 04:18 PM

It seems that Sue Gray was invited to the May 20 garden party...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 03:22 PM

A magnificent performance from johnson on PMQ yesterday, marred continually by the incomprehensible babble from some regional MPs - from whom, it appeared the bitching record had stuck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 03:00 PM

Prince Andrew is stripped of all titles royal and military except son of the Queen.
E's jus good ol Andy now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 10:43 AM

I imagine the front bench Tries will be quite pleased were able to wear face masks while Boris was mocking us all with his pseudo-apology.

One bit of luck for Mr Johnson when the Prince Andrew scandal has erupted at this point to give the tabloids something else to get their teeth into.   

It appears the Grey report won't be released to the public. It's for Boris Johnson's eyes, and what we are due to get is a summary of the findings supplied by…Boris Johnson.

The sneaky thing is that Johnson's porky about how he believed this was not a party but a work event, however implausible it is, cannot be disproved, and that is his figleaf when it comes to the accusation that he lied when he said he believed that there had been no parties at number 10. Lie stands on lie. And his colleagues and supporters line up to add more lies, as they pretend that they actually believe what Boris said in his "apology".


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 10:25 AM

She's God-awful. Our best hope would be that she turns out to be another Theresa May. Starmer did a half-decent job yesterday. I still think elections are generally lost by the incumbent, not won by the opposition.

It's a long time to the next election and Johnson will have a massive pandemic-whacking success behind him. The trail of damage he's leaving will be forgotten. He's good at making that happen. We could still be doomed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 06:41 AM

She looked frightened to death at PMQs yesterday


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 05:36 AM

Well, apart from the fact that there's the foul smell of a whitewash coming up, I'm with Nick Robinson (rare in my case) regarding his line of questioning to that Boris lackey/looks like a spiv/talks like a spiv/IS a spiv Brandon Lewis this morning. We have the facts. We don't need to wait for any more "facts." Johnson and the stooges who are wheeled out have all been briefed to trot out the "Sue Gray" defence. Poor old Sue is just about as "independent" as my left foot is independent of my left leg. Boris is her boss. During her "investigations" she will be told precisely what Johnson and his advisers want her to be told, and, if perchance she produces an adverse report, Johnson can veto it in any case.

I'm sure that Starmer would love to see Johnson stay exactly where he is, but of course he can't say that. A different leader (Truss would be a dead cert, I reckon) would be far more likely to win the next election than Johnson. And she's keeping her head down. Have you noticed?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 03:58 AM

It will only take 54 letters, Donuel, but getting them is not that easy. After Johnson's performance yesterday, everything hinges on Sue Gray's report. If she says the March 20th event was not a party, the general public will look at that, look at the text of the email, and conclude the report is a whitewash. That may well get the PM through to at least the May elections, but I would expect many MPs to be very nervous of how their voters would react.

I think what she needs to do, from the government's point of view, is to build a case that the event was a party and Johnson was remiss in attending, but his error in thinking it a working event is plausible. She also needs to demonstrate somehow that the 'we' who thought a party a good idea did not include the Prime Minister. But it must always be remembered that ignorance is no defence against the law, so that is a very shaky platform to stand on.

I read reports that there are some concerns Johnson could veto the report. That would seem very counter-productive to me: it would convince everyone there was something to hide and the MPs could anticipate fury from their constituents. The same would apply if the report was redacted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 08:50 PM

hey that's parody :^/

All that is needed are 54 letters of no confidence from his MP 'friends'.
"I didn't know it was a party" is a piss poor defense.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 07:44 PM

Well, Bonzo, Mussolini did some amazing things for Italy and was very popular - for a while. My, he even made the trains run on time! I wonder whether his favourite song was "Leaning on a Lamp-post"...

Just wondering whether Boris's favourite song might be one of Simon and Garfunkel's (with apologies to them):

"I am just a rich boy [SORRY!]
Though my story's seldom told
I have squandered my resistance
For a pocketful of mumbles
Such are promises
All lies and jest
Still, a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest...

Lie la lie, lie la lie la lie la lie
Lie la lie, lie la lie la lie la lie, la la lie la lie..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 05:09 PM

For anyone who hasn't actually read it:


Article 16
Safeguards

1. If the application of this Protocol leads to serious economic, societal or environmental difficulties that are liable to persist, or to diversion of trade, the Union or the United Kingdom may unilaterally take appropriate safeguard measures. Such safeguard measures shall be restricted with regard to their scope and duration to what is strictly necessary in order to remedy the situation. Priority shall be given to such measures as will least disturb the
functioning of this Protocol.

2. If a safeguard measure taken by the Union or the United Kingdom, as the case may be, in accordance with paragraph 1 creates an imbalance between the rights and obligations under this Protocol, the Union or the United Kingdom, as the case may be, may take such proportionate rebalancing measures as are strictly necessary to remedy the imbalance. Priority shall be given to such measures as will least disturb the functioning of this Protocol.

3. Safeguard and rebalancing measures taken in accordance with paragraphs 1 and 2 shall be governed by the procedures set out in Annex 7 to this Protocol

Short and to the point. And, as in my last post notice especially:

Such safeguard measures shall be restricted with regard to their scope and duration

and

Priority shall be given to such measures as will least disturb the functioning of this Protocol.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 05:01 PM

That is disputed, as you will know, because the EU has a complex approval procedure. But even if we accept that they did, it matters not a jot. The text of Article 16 talks about actions as small in scope and of limited duration as possible with a view to keeping as much of the protocol in operation as possible. So an invocation lasting a few hours would be not problem at all and fully in keeping with the protocol. In fact the possibility multiple invocations of Artucle 16 over time is clearly part of the safeguards.

Some of the Brexiteer wing seem to think Article 16 is some sort of legal hand grenade that demolishes the protocol once and for all. It is not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 04:53 PM

I'd rather have a PM who resists pressure to keep schools shut in March, opens fully in July despite warnings of 300k/day cases & the "Johnson variant", opens schools in Sept, refuses to do Plan B in Oct, & only does masking in Dec, but had wine in his garden. But that's just me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 04:37 PM

Just to be clear. Article 16 was already triggered by the EU. But then they changed their mind: Here


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 02:40 PM

I don't worry about the Red Button too much, but I think it possible he could trigger Article 16 whatever the effects might be, just to try to get the spotlight somewhere else.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 22 - 02:12 PM

He didn't know if was a party. He didn't know he was breaking the rules. This man has access to the big red button.

Be afraid. Very afraid.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 08:11 PM

Ditto, pfr!

Oi, I can't keep up with all this partying!

He won't go, will he...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 02:38 PM

Yay! Glad to see you PFR. I was getting worried. Happy anything I have missed and hoping all is OK in Scrumpyshire.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 10:45 AM

I'm just checking in to confirm proof of life..

I'm still alive..

.. and you lot are still posting..

so must still be breathing, despite the government's best efforts to cull Social undesirables and deplorables..

Fair enough..


Happy New year !!!...

pfr...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 08:46 AM

Marvellous piece from Tom Peck in The Independent

It would be even truer were it not so tragic!


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