BS: Brexit & other UK political topics

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 10:56 AM

With regard to the Stoners’ thread, I refer to my post of 04 Jan 22 - 12:52 AM.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 12:52 AM

….and I made a decision some time ago not to allow myself to be irritated by things I read here in future. “When you observe a pile of shit, carefully avoid treading in it and walk on…” is my policy.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 12:16 AM

No irritation for me Steve, I have no problem with well-presented arguments/opinions, expressed by someone who writes in a literate, educated manner. I don’t question the content of your post because I’m not sufficiently expert to dispute some of the points you make, and because I agree with you on the rest.

FWIW, I’m not ‘irritated’ at all by the thread-drift away from UK politics towards Covid-19, I get Raindog’s point that there’s a political side to a discussion about C-19 here in the UK, and I can’t argue against that.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jan 22 - 07:39 PM

At risk of irritating John, I should to clear one or two things up about vitamin D.

In the UK, between March and October, you can get all the vitamin D you need by going into the sunshine for fifteen or twenty minutes a few times a week. This applies if you expose enough skin - arms, legs, heads, sort of thing, but it doesn't apply if you're plastered in sunscreen or dressed up to the hilt. In the other months you need to get the vitamin from food. Or supplements. If you eat oily fish, eggs or red meat, no problem. These days, breakfast cereals and those soya and oat milks can be great sources - read the label.

There is next to no evidence that taking vitamin D will stop you from catching "the virus" or make you less sick if you do catch it. Sorry, guys!

Opinion-only time: I hate the supplement industry. My conviction is that supplements are at best a waste of money for all except for a few vulnerable people. If you're a vegan, you have a self-inflicted B12 issue. Over to you. And your diet needs to to be really good with regard to fresh or frozen greens if you want to get sufficient folate, and folate is a bit of a red flag for pregnant women. Apart from that, chuck you multivitamins in the bin and deprive those cynical pill-pushers of their ill-gotten profits.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Jan 22 - 04:04 PM

Yes and orange juice!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 03 Jan 22 - 12:47 PM

There is also something to be said about the possibility of UK residents of a certain age bringing a class action against the authorities, the medical profession, and the manufacturers of cod liver oil, for the abuse they caused by forcing children to take spoonfuls of cod liver oil all those years ago.

Cod science indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Jan 22 - 10:44 AM

When The Queen, in her majesty, grants you a knighthood
Don't be too hasty, or take it as read.
Remember there's only a very short distance
'tween "Dub thee Sir Tony" and "Orf with his head!"

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Jan 22 - 03:38 AM

”uk has spent 12 billion on vaccinations, and precious little on anything else”

…apart from £30 billion on a ‘Track & Trace System’ that didn’t work, £15 million on a ferry company with no ferries, and quite a substantial number of millions handed out to the Tories’ cronies for numerous other mysterious contracts - notably PPE which either were unsuitable or simply didn’t arrive.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jan 22 - 07:25 PM

So, secondary school children have to wear masks in class all day from now on.

Well I think that's a disgrace. Just think of the mask-fiddling, the upping and downing, the itchy nose, the nose-picking. Aside from all that, there's the naked attack on the human rights of children to spend their days laughing, smiling, putting their tongues out and scolding each other. Waste of time, useless and inhuman.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jan 22 - 03:42 PM

"Of course, being an honorary knighthood he is also not entitled to be 'Sir Bob'."

Technically correct, of course. The problem is that the media have routinely referred to him as "Sir Bob," probably out of affection. That's not an illegal thing to do. We can all call him that if we want and many people wouldn't raise an eyebrow.

By the way, I wasn't "targeting" anyone. That was a list of people plucked from the top of my head over a space of 48 seconds.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Jan 22 - 01:05 PM

i value the unsung nurses more. I think they are more useful to society. didnt jimmy saville get a knighthood for his work for charity

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 02 Jan 22 - 12:51 PM

Raggytash:
I did read it through.
If Steve had been serious about Bob Geldof being an exception then he could have been left out of Steve's list. As he wasn't then the initial list reads like a list of targets for the general comments.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Jan 22 - 11:30 AM

Tut tut Nigel. If you had read Steve's comments thoroughly you would have noticed that he clearly states "Sir Bob temporarily an honourable exception"

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 02 Jan 22 - 10:37 AM

I think it's a bit more insidious than a bi-annual talking point. Sir Paul McCartney, Sir Bob Geldof, Sir Mick Jagger, Sir Elton John, Sir Cliff Richard, Sir Lewis Hamilton, Dame Mary Berry, Dame Twiggy... their Sirhoods or Damehoods are routinely trotted obsequiously out by the media whenever they are topical for some reason or other, reminding us of...what, exactly? The fact that they were in the right place at the right time to make themselves as rich as Croesus? The fact that the establishment has embraced them cordially and that, having had their profiles raised in consequence, they've gratefully reciprocated? Despite the fact that some of the above may have made philanthropic donations that I haven't heard about (accompanied usually by little actual effort on their part, Sir Bob temporarily an honourable exception), they have taken a good deal out without putting much back apart from entertaining us (earning even more money in the process, of course).

Knighthoods (NOT 'sirhoods') just for making money?
I thinks Bob Geldof received his honorary knighthood for making money for charity (Live Aid/ Band Aid). Of course, being an honorary knighthood he is also not entitled to be 'Sir Bob'.
Sir Cliff's knighthood was also for services to entertainment, and charity work.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jan 22 - 08:40 AM

I have all I want. No subtext to my honestly-expressed views.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Jan 22 - 08:10 AM

Envy

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jan 22 - 07:06 AM

I think it's a bit more insidious than a bi-annual talking point. Sir Paul McCartney, Sir Bob Geldof, Sir Mick Jagger, Sir Elton John, Sir Cliff Richard, Sir Lewis Hamilton, Dame Mary Berry, Dame Twiggy... their Sirhoods or Damehoods are routinely trotted obsequiously out by the media whenever they are topical for some reason or other, reminding us of...what, exactly? The fact that they were in the right place at the right time to make themselves as rich as Croesus? The fact that the establishment has embraced them cordially and that, having had their profiles raised in consequence, they've gratefully reciprocated? Despite the fact that some of the above may have made philanthropic donations that I haven't heard about (accompanied usually by little actual effort on their part, Sir Bob temporarily an honourable exception), they have taken a good deal out without putting much back apart from entertaining us (earning even more money in the process, of course).

Meanwhile, in the only big hospital in Cornwall (Treliske), dozens of junior doctors, nurses, orderlies, cleaners, porters and receptionists have worked themselves ragged for two desperate years, often with woefully inadequate protection, many getting sick with the virus, a few getting very sick or dying, having to risk their own families' safety and their own mental well-being...

In a fair and just honours list, who comes higher in your view, Sir Lewis Hamilton or one of those unsung nurses?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 02 Jan 22 - 03:59 AM

The "Honours System" is a curious beast. I am not sure I know anyone who has regarded it as much more than a bi-annual talking point. People who liked Blair, for example, are not going to like him more as a result of his award, and if they disliked him the gong is not going to change their mind. I have known one or two MBEs, but they rarely used it, rather like most of the people I know with academic doctorates do not insist on being called 'Doctor'.

The only thing I find worthy of comment in this is Daniel Craig being awarded the gong James Bond had. The only rational explanation of that is that the people awarding the honours do not take it seriously either.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jan 22 - 06:04 PM

So. The wonderful woman who runs Park Lane Stables, which provides riding for disabled children and for which she has had to put in an almighty fundraising effort just to keep it afloat, gets an MBE. Two young lads who have made huge efforts over many months to raise hundreds of thousands for charities get a BEM each.

Tony Blair, who lied to this country about WMDs and whose part in the invasion of Iraq helped to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians and who made our country a favourite target for Islamic terrorists, gets the highest honour in the land, bestowed personally by the Queen. She must be mad, poor dear.

Well I believe in an honours system. But when I see incredibly dodgy people such as Blair and business barons getting the top gongs, and really dedicated people sacrificing everything for their communities getting the scraps, and thousands of NHS and care workers who have worked their fingers selflessly to the bone in extremely difficult and dangerous conditions getting no recognition at all, from now on I'm going to turn the honours list upside down.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 02:10 PM

I have just in on this thread. My wife had had both hips and both knees replaced. One of the operations was NHS (the third); the others we paid for privately.

In each case it was because of the waiting time, but it was a long and complicated saga, including a wait of several years on the NHS for the first of them, and then to have it cancelled while she was on the operating table because of a heart flutter they had not detected before and the place she was sent had no one with the relevant skills. After that, she was told she had to wait for months until they were confident there was no.major problem, then they would put her back.on the waiting list.

We went private.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 07:40 AM

Nigel, the following is from the link you provided.

"During the period of austerity that followed the 2008 economic crash, the Department of Health and Social Care budget continued to grow but at a slower pace than in previous years. Budgets rose by 1.4 per cent each year on average (adjusting for inflation) in the 10 years between 2009/10 to 2018/19, compared to the 3.7 per cent average rises since the NHS was established."

We do need to have a grown up discussion about NHS funding. Sadly that does not seem likely to happen during my lifetime. We just carry on in this country,going from one government term to another, without addressing long term problems. Nearly everything is geared to short term solutions.

The recent series on the Blair/Brown years briefly mentioned NHS funding. Brown wanted to try to come up with a long term solution to funding, rather than just bunging money at it periodically to try and solve problems in the short term.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 07:35 AM

If you spend your beer and fags money more sensibly on private medical insurance then your waiting time will clearly be much shorter!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 06:44 AM

Steve: This government has deliberately run down the NHS over a decade. I gave the comparative investment figures in the NHS of successive governments a few weeks ago.

I didn't see your earlier figures. How do they compare with the ones provided by The Kings Fund which show spending on NHS and social care increasing (with a slight blip in 2020) year on year, in real terms.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 03:29 AM

Anyone heard from Punkfolkrocker recently? He has not posted since the 2nd of December. Hope all is OK.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 02:04 AM

Of course it can, Steve. There is an extra £350 million pounds a week being spent on the NHS. It must be true, Boris wrote it on the side of a bus. Now we have kicked out all those damned foreigners and rule our empire once, the government will pay a decent wage for NHS staff and get the unemployed retrained as doctors and nurses to man all the new hospitals being built. People voted in their droves for Boris because he fulfils the will of the people so whatever he does must be right. Anyway all opposing the will of the people are antisemitic remowners and they have caused all the problems. We pulled together during the blitz. Surely we can overcome small inconveniences like no health care, lack of basic freedoms and a return to good old feudal serfdom?

Happy New Year

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Dec 21 - 07:49 PM

This government has deliberately run down the NHS over a decade. I gave the comparative investment figures in the NHS of successive governments a few weeks ago. By a country mile, the Tories since 2010 have been the worst, no competition. Even before this pandemic, waiting lists for specialist treatment were ballooning out of control and A&E waiting targets were being routinely missed on an ever-deteriorating basis. There's no doubt in my mind that there is an agenda to replace the NHS with insurance-style private medicine. Here are three letters from the Guardian, whose sentiments I entirely agree with:

Your report on the state of the NHS (One in four Britons ‘not confident NHS can care for them’, survey reveals, 26 December) was summed up by the quote from Wes Streeting, the shadow health secretary: “With record waiting lists, 100,000 NHS staff shortages and 112,000 vacancies in social care in 2019, the Tories left our health service criminally ill-equipped for Covid.”

My husband, in the final stages of dementia and awaiting a place in care, is in a holding ward. Insufficient nurses try to cope, but mouth hygiene is neglected. And no shower or hair wash for more than a month. He deserves better. Hardly God’s waiting room, more like death row. Aneurin Bevan will be turning in his grave.
Hilda Reynolds
Bristol

• You report that one in four of us is not sure that the NHS can care for them. I wonder if this stage in public sentiment was envisaged or even engineered as part of a transition to a system of private healthcare. For almost two years we have been bludgeoned with the command to protect the NHS. But protecting the NHS is not primarily our responsibility – it’s the government’s. There’s nothing inevitable about the NHS having to struggle along on inadequate resources while its staff compensate for the deficit with heroic amounts of goodwill.
Susan Tomes
Edinburgh

• In the past four months, three friends of mine, all ardent believers in the NHS, have swallowed their principles and paid for private operations to avoid a wait of up to two years for surgery that would restore their quality of life. They have no doubts about the quality of care provided by the NHS, but its underresourcing means that long waits for non-urgent interventions have become painfully inevitable.

With a heavy heart, I fear that I would do the same in their position. This is what 11 years of underfunding has come to. And yes, I do believe that this is a Conservative strategy towards private healthcare, in which, because we can afford to do so, we find ourselves colluding.
Ruth Pickles
Congleton, Cheshire

I haven't bought private medical care and my principles have never allowed me to do so. But I can afford it if push comes to shove. So what would I do if a loved one was in constant pain and couldn't get NHS treatment? I know two ladies, both now in advanced years, who have hip troubles that are seriously affecting their quality of life. One can't get referred at all at the moment and the other has been told that the waiting list is two years long. You are in your seventies and you are virtually immobilised and you have to wait two years (if you're lucky...) Just before the first lockdown I had an appointment to see my GP about a painful shoulder which had troubled me for a year. I'd waited five weeks for the GP appointment in any case, and two days before it I was told that face-to-face appointments had been cancelled due to COVID-19. The doctor telephoned me and said that he could no longer refer me to a consultant and that all he could advise was that I should take paracetamol.

So don't believe any numbers you see about the five or six million on waiting lists. There are millions more of us who can't even get on a waiting list. Suppose the sun came out tomorrow and the pandemic disappeared. How long do you think it will take to get the waiting lists down to pre-Tory levels? Well I'll tell you. It won't happen inside the lifetime of anyone reading this post.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Dec 21 - 03:27 PM

Didn't everyone on their home planet die of a virus caught from unsanitised telephones? Maybe Mr Adams foresaw Covid19!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Dec 21 - 02:12 PM

Some of this stuff reminds me of one of the season enders of the original "Hitchikers Guide to the Galaxy" radio programs where the spaceship of phone-sanitizers and economists landed on prehistoric Earth and decided to make leaves the currency hence to prevent inflation they were burning the forests.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 30 Dec 21 - 09:02 AM

Ha ha, very funny Dave. Bonzo might be pleased, seeing how he and Kier appear to have similar views on Angela Rayner.

Be careful of what you wish for. If Boris goes we could end up with a prime minister who believes in tory policies.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Dec 21 - 08:44 AM

2022: The Downfall of Boris Johnson

We can but hope. Trouble is, who will we get in return. The only person fit to lead the Tories now is Kier Starmer

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Dec 21 - 01:51 PM

You heard

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Dec 21 - 10:32 AM

What?????????????????????????????????????????????????

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Dec 21 - 06:24 AM

We all know you are frightened by strong women, Bonzo. Just like your illustrious leader.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Dec 21 - 05:20 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0012scb
Vaccinate, ventilate and breathe
Start the Week

Catherine Noakes, Teresa Lambe and James Nestor discuss the scientific race against Covid-19 and the lost art of breathing, with Andrew Marr.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Dec 21 - 04:56 AM

Ventilation of buildings is the new requrement, this will also boost the economy, employing people on public works[ keynesian economics]

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Dec 21 - 02:47 AM

Some disturbing but far from unexpected news last night:

"If No 10 proposes tighter restrictions straight after Christmas, those cabinet ministers with freedom-loving instincts – who gave us all so much hope last week – must speak out," the Observer quoted one member of the Covid Recovery Group of Tory MPs as saying.

"In any future leadership contest, we will all remember how they acted this week. We need real, gutsy, freedom-loving Conservatives to rescue us from this madness."


Forget the precise topic, and look at the overall flavour. The Covid Recovery Group is, largely, the same people as the ERG and that was similar to the group who harassed Cameron some much.

Once again, they are making clear that whoever the future PM may be, they have to do want the the group wants. Cameron, May and   Johnson were all fundamentally weakened by the group, and they are signalling strongly they intend to be Kingmakers to whoever comes next.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 06:17 PM

how on earth can any political party think it is ok to present Johnson as a serious politician? he flaunts proudly his total lack of attention to detail, and on these tv programmes his lack of basic intelligence is stupefying. His method is to keep repeating porkies and not answering the question, furthermore he seems to want to keep producing children, as if there were not enough morons in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 04:37 PM

How on Earth can any political party think it is OK to present Angela Raynor as a serious politician. She flaunts, proudly, her total lack of education verbally, but on these tv programmes her lack of basic
intelligence is stupefying. Her method is simply to keep repeating the jargon and shouting down andignoring the questioner ! Carry on Labour, be out of office for another 10 years!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Thompson
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 03:16 PM

Jon Snow's last night as anchorman for Channel 4 News last night, and a host of colleagues and interviewees from over the years contributed to a moving tribute to the most honest, straight and humane journalist of his era.
Even Rees-Mogg contributed, though with a slightly catty and Me story, about his child rushing in when Snow called for an interview, shouting "Nanny! It's the lefty from the telly!"
He'll be hugely missed, though he leaves behind a team of wonderful journalists including Krishnan Guru-Murthy, Catherine Newman, Fatima Manji, Matt Frei et al. I hope they'll keep it as good as he did.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 01:41 PM

It was, in your words, "run by the labour council, former leader and sidekick calling himself an accountant forced to resign earlier this year."

How does that reflect on the Labour Party? Apart from they seem to have divested themselves of this former leader?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 01:10 PM

Considering the idiots who were running the labour council were labour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 12:36 PM

Of course it's something to do with the government, Bonzo. They set the rules and regulate the climate for businesses. If it was mismanaged which I dare say that the investigation will confirm or refute, that will have had a bearing too. But it seems to have little or nothing to do with the Labour Party. Unless you can provide evidence otherwise?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 12:12 PM

It is insolvent to the tune of £27million.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 12:03 PM

It was run by the labour council, former leader and sidekick calling himself an accountant forced to resign earlier this year. Absolutely nothing to do with the tory government, it was mismanaged and may well be subject to investigation by the fraud squad!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 11:33 AM

Did anyone really expect a company set up by a Labour Council to do well under a Tory government, Bonzo? Was it run by the Labour Council or by businessmen? Was it Brexit or Covid that did for them? Your information is less than complete!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 11:15 AM

Brick by Brick Croydon Ltd, a company set up by the labour council which has bankrupted Croydon, filed accounts today at Companies House for year ended 31/03/21 showing a loss of over £25 million.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Dec 21 - 08:57 AM

"some hopitals need to be redesigned specifically to deal with viruses, regardless of masks"

why do you think they have "COVID PODS" specifically to deal with covid 19???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 22 Dec 21 - 02:21 AM

Not sure how they intend to make this work. Seems more like a headline grabbing move.

Covid: Fines for Wales employees not working from home

"Fines will be handed out to employees in Wales who go to work when they could work from home.

From Monday, workers will receive a £60 fixed penalty notice and companies hit with fines of £1,000 every time they break the rule.

Until now there has just been guidance encouraging home working.

The union GMB said it would affect "the poorest, most vulnerable workers" while the TUC said it was "at best naïve" to think responsibility is shared.

"Additional measures have been introduced to limit the spread of the virus and protect public health," said a Welsh government spokesman.

"Further to our long-standing advice for people to work from home wherever possible, from Monday this will now be a legal requirement to work from home unless there is a reasonable excuse not to.

"We expect employers to take all reasonable steps to facilitate home working and provide employees with the support they need.""

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 01:45 PM

here 2 may 2021
[PM] The Sandman         BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19 (1953* d)         RE: BS: New news on the pandemic COVID-19         02 May 21

    it is also spread by lack of ventilation in buildings, hospitals, schools, supermarkets, they need to be redesigned too, masks are only part of the solution and are not as important as ventilation, some hopitals need to be redesigned specifically to deal with viruses, regardless of masks.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 01:26 PM

i was going on about ventilation, on this forum months ago,when i go on about building of hospitals, i get abuse from croydon man, who insists on miscalling my moniker