BS: Brexit & other UK political topics

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Feb 22 - 09:09 AM

I lived 400 yards from Victoria Park between 1969 and 1973, thankfully Abbophant had nothing to do with it then!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Feb 22 - 09:50 AM

Bonzo - Not only is your constant referal to Dianne Abbot in racist/sexist/sizist terms annoying to decent, caring human beings, it is also very boring and shows you up to be a racist/sexist/sizist prick.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 22 - 10:10 AM

As well as a royal sycophant, and, worst of all, a victim of living in Croydon....

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Feb 22 - 10:45 AM

Probably thinks Jimmy Carr is funny too

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Feb 22 - 11:05 AM

Provided that you consider the positives in Jimmy Carr's humour, he is very clever and funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Feb 22 - 01:01 PM

He looks like a psychopathic granny-killer - mad as a hatter. It’s those weird eyes.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Feb 22 - 01:22 PM

His whole point is that people much prefer to talk about the dreadful murder of 6 million Jews in concentration camps, rather than the infinitely smaller numbers of gypsies etc and the joke is on Jehovah's Witnesses.......................any day!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Feb 22 - 03:47 PM

"You have to assume that Jehovah's Witnesses came knocking on the door of a death camp waving copies of Watchtower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 06 Feb 22 - 06:55 PM

what is the matter, b2l? are you alright?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 22 - 08:07 PM

Nah, Pete. You know that statue by Rodin called The Kiss? Last I heard, Bonzo was campaigning to get a sort of pastiche fifty-foot replica of it erected in Croydon town centre, but it would be a naked Boris and a naked Thatcher embraced in a big snog. The council have so far resisted the application as they're worried about the potential for graffiti on Thatcher's bare buttocks and greyhounds cocking their legs up on Boris's nuts...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Feb 22 - 09:04 PM

The opinion on Boris Johnson from Bloomberg.

Boris Johnson and 'Partygate'

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Feb 22 - 06:50 PM

So Keir Starmer is attacked in the street by right-wing thugs shouting "Jimmy Savile" at him. The attack is a direct result of Johnson's false slur against Starmer in the Commons. Johnson has refused to apologise. I'll give him a week.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 01:51 AM

I wonder if the feeble-minded crackpots whom he persuaded to vote Tory in the 2019 GE have begun to realise yet that if you elect a clown, you inevitably end up with a circus?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 03:50 AM

Or, if you elect a Churchill wannabe you get a Trump...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 03:56 AM

Of course if he is forced out it will be by fake news and traitors wanting to stop Britain being great again. I predict the election of any other leader will be declared to be rigged and Bozo supporters will storm Westminster. There is a precedent. Or is that president? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 04:04 AM

surely he is off shortly - (thursday a.m is my bet) though i've felt that before. But what about all the enablers, the tory ministers who appear on the media every morning backing him up, supporting all his latest excesses and giving him 100% trust. As with republicans in the usa - they should all be prosecuted - if they don't all disappear in noxious cloud when their glorious leader loses his head.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 04:23 AM

I would like to think Johnson is going shortly, but I still think he might win the confidence vote when we get to that point. Remember when we have reached the 54 letters we still need another 137 or so additional Tory MPs to vote against him. They might, of course, but we will have to see. And if he wins by only one of two, that is enough for him and he would stay the year before the next opportunity for a vote, I think.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 04:24 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 05:19 AM

I really can’t see him going any time soon. By involving the Met, Mr. Teflon-Suit has kicked the ‘No. 10 Parties’ can so far down the road it’s almost invisible, and his henchpersons and poodles are on TV and in the press frequently parroting the official “What he said didn’t mean what you thought it meant” line with regard to the ‘Jimmy Savile’ lie. I’m seeing more and more posts in social media, and Vox Pop pieces on TV saying he’s a ‘good bloke’, he’s ‘on are (sic) side’, and ‘only Boris can do it’ (whatever they are imagining ‘it’ might be).

I strongly suspect he will do what he always does - dig in, head down, ride out the barrage, and wait for the public’s ire to abate somewhat. Then carry on as though nowt happened.

I hope I’m wrong, but….

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 05:26 AM

As I have said elsewhere I think this quotation from '1984' captures it: “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”   

Isn't that exactly what "Wait for the Met report" is?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 05:45 AM

Sadly, I think you’re right on the button, DMcG.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 06:05 AM

It seems to me that he has a very important reason for not confessing that the ‘Jimmy Savile’ comment in the HoC was, in fact, a lie - which is that he wants to keep it as ‘live’ ammunition, ready to be used when the character-assassination attack begins in the lead-up to the next GE. Lies about Jeremy Corbyn served him very well in 2019, why wouldn’t he embark on the same kind of dirty campaign against whoever is Labour leader at the next GE?

Leopards don’t change their spots.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 08:27 AM

Johnson's "clarification" appears to have been that he was just pointing at a formal apology made by Keir Starmer on behalf of the organisation which he headed and how that had in no way implied that Starmer had done anything wrong.

The implication being that In saying "I'm Sorry" to the Commons Johnson had in no way expressed any personal penitence of any kind. Or sincerity.

I think most people will already have assumed this.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 10:47 AM

Johnson's "clarification" appears to have been that he was just pointing at a formal apology made by Keir Starmer on behalf of the organisation which he headed and how that had in no way implied that Starmer had done anything wrong.

Of course, as Keir Starmer apologised for the actions of the department he headed then ultimately he was responsible.

Boris is probably clever enough to realise that if his opponents claim Keir Starmer is not responsible then they would be employing double standards to claim that Boris was responsible for the doings of his own underlings in Number 10.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 11:37 AM

Well, Nigel, suppose a teacher in a large secondary school was having it off with an underage pupil (as in recent telly drama - God, I love Sheridan Smith...). The headteacher would apologise on behalf of the school even though he couldn't have had anything to do with the offence nor even knew it was going on. Of course he'd apologise. But that wouldn't mean that it was in any way his fault, would it? I must say, I do admire your valiant defence of the indefensible.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 12:04 PM

Sheridan’s mum is an attendee at a folk club I also attend. A good singer and bass-player, and a very nice lady. Can’t help wishing she’d bring Sheridan with her occasionally! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 12:05 PM

suppose a teacher in a large secondary school was having it off with an underage pupil (as in recent telly drama - God, I love Sheridan Smith...). The headteacher would apologise on behalf of the school even though he couldn't have had anything to do with the offence nor even knew it was going on. Of course he'd apologise. But that wouldn't mean that it was in any way his fault,

If that was on school premises then the head would have some responsibility because of a failure to have systems in place to avoid putting staff/pupils into situations where this could happen.
If it was outside school premises then there could still be some responsibility depending on whether 'grooming' etc. was happening within the school.

Of course, your argument appears to exonerate Boris of any responsibility for any 'parties' of which he was unaware.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 12:28 PM

Nonsense. Johnson ATTENDED at least several of those parties, and a large number of them occurred in his house! As for your other remarks, you've clearly never worked in a large secondary school, have you, Nigel?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 01:04 PM

To apply the analogy to Johnson would be to imagine the headmaster a having been present while the teacher was doing the deed.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 01:53 PM

What if the perpetrator of hundreds of vile crimes was a long time supporter and campaigner for your political party and a personal friend of the the then leader Margaret Thatcher, whose house he apparently used to visit at christmas? you would think this is a particularly nasty can of worms that the tories would not want to open. then, they can probably rely on starmer to do the decent thing and not wish to revisit such awful old events, in respect for , well everyone really. tories really are getting more disgusting by the day.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 03:00 PM

You appear to be totally missing the points here.
Nonsense. Johnson ATTENDED at least several of those parties,
It has yet to be clarified which were parties (if any) or whether they were all 'work related meetings'.
and a large number of them occurred in his house!
There don't seem to be a large number of them having occurred in his place of residence (The 'flat' above No 10). It seems a large number occurred in his 'place of work'.

And no, I haven't worked in a large secondary school. Does that have any bearing? Or have you worked there and have your own knowledge of such goings on?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 03:48 PM

Nope. Purely hypothetical. Nigel, inspired by the telly drama. Don't get any funny ideas. And most head teachers I've known didn't have a flat above the school assembly hall.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 05:04 PM

An article in "The Independent" from 6 Dec 2016 says what Rees-Mogg might be looking for as Brexit opportunities."

Britain could slash environmental and safety regulations on imported products after it leaves the EU, a Tory MP has suggested.

Jacob Rees-Mogg said regulations that were “good enough for India” could be good enough for the UK – arguing that the UK could go “a very long way” to rolling back high EU standards.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 08 Feb 22 - 06:51 PM

My suspicion is that this "Brexit opportunities" job might be primarily a make-work thing cooked up as a way, without demoting him, of moving Reese-Mogg out of too much public attention in his House Leader role, where his prominence on TV is a bit much if Johnson is trying to redo his image, and look a bit more like a serious statesman. Some chance.
………

Whether the numerous gatherings count as parties or not is totally irrelevant. The regulatiins never even used the word. Any kind of gathering - at times even more than two people - were forbidden, unless they were essential word meetings, with as few people involved as possible. Hell, you couldn't even sit down on a park bench at the height of it. Having anyone to visit in your personal flat was completely forbidden, for any reason..

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Feb 22 - 02:57 AM

Whether the numerous gatherings count as parties or not is totally irrelevant.

Absolutely, McGrath. This constant argument about whether it was or was not a party is a total irrelevance. Any gathering for social purposes was permitted.

We have the photo where Carrie was in her garden in close proximity to several other people. Forget, for the moment, everyone else who was in the photograph. The group of people sitting on that garden furniture were either a social gathering, which was forbidden, or Carrie was involved in a work meeting "though a spokesperson for Ms Johnson said she played no role in government." No official role, maybe, but if that was a work meeting, then she is involved in government. And if you want to make the argument she is just in her garden, you get back to it being a forbidden social gathering.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Feb 22 - 02:58 AM

Sorry, I left out a 'not' there. A social gathering was NOT permitted.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Feb 22 - 01:05 PM

Boris makes false claims in parliament, misusing statistics see here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00146b6

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Feb 22 - 02:44 PM

Cressida Dick ‘to stand down’ (BBC News a few minutes ago). Not before time.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Feb 22 - 03:34 PM

Decided that not even she has the brass neck to protect Bozo?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Feb 22 - 03:44 PM

She was a disastrous appointment and would have gone years ago but for Johnson. He mustn't be allowed to pick her successor while he's under police investigation. Let's see.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 10 Feb 22 - 03:49 PM

i don't have the tech ability to post on here - chris wood 'hollow point' but it's a very lovely and moving tribute to jean Charles de Menezes. if anyone could oblige...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Feb 22 - 04:17 PM

Here ya go, Pete… Chris Wood - ‘Hollow Point’.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Feb 22 - 04:54 PM

When I saw the hashtag ‘#dickresigns’, I thought Johnson had gone. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 22 - 07:47 AM

He's a bit too right-wing for my liking, but tell us what he's done wrong (apart from road pricing). My lad lives just outside the ULEZ zone. He can't take his stuff to the local recycling, a few hundred yards away, unless he pays £12.50. That's a prize cock-up if you ask me.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 22 - 07:50 AM

And don't you think that getting rid of Cressida has done us all a favour?

(Only posted this to prevent some twot from bagging the 3000. I want to be that twot).

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Feb 22 - 10:18 AM

What favour?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 22 - 11:26 AM

Suggested newspaper headline:

SADIQ KHAN GETS DICK OUT

I'll get me dirty mac...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 22 - 12:01 PM

If you want to know what Cressida Dick is really like, read Marina Hyde's piece in the Guardian. You probably prefer the Mail, Bonzo, but your next saveloy and chips with curry sauce might be wrapped in the Guardian so you can read it then. Don't forget to leave Sadiq a tip when he serves it to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Feb 22 - 04:34 PM


(Only posted this to prevent some twot from bagging the 3000. I want to be that twot)

Gave that on me then, Steve, unless someone sneaks in.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Feb 22 - 04:45 PM

3000!