BS: Brexit & other UK political topics

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Oct 22 - 08:40 AM

What is this 'we' that you speak of?

Mrs Bonzo and myself of course

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Oct 22 - 08:14 AM

I really don't know who has posted on here that they believe all those who voted for Brexit are racist. I for one have often said that those who voted leave were severely misled by the media and politicians in favour of leaving. The race card was played by Farage and his cronies, particulary with the poster of hoards of dark sninned people waiting to come here. I have no doubt that racism played a part and, as the result was so close, it may have tipped the balance. Aside from that I have never said anything remotely like "all those who voted for Brexit are racist". Nor have I seen anyone else say it. Your statement is a classic straw man argument.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 22 - 05:56 AM

If you could direct me to any post here, apart from yours, that refers to Mick or people like him (?), as thick, brainwashed, racist twats, I'd be very grateful. Otherwise, your slur holds.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 21 Oct 22 - 05:43 AM

No I don't think that all those who voted for Brexit are racist, unlike some others who post here who appear to. I am quite used to the fact that not everyone is going to hold the same views that I do.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 22 - 05:29 AM

So you think that all brexiteers are racists! Gosh...

If you have a thing about trade unions "disrupting" the public, etc., let's be having your considered views on that. Otherwise, it's best to avoid lazy slurs.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 22 - 05:26 AM

For a couple of years I've been expressing my view that Starmer is a born loser. Over the last few interesting weeks I've been mulling over whether I should publicly eat my words, but I have a horrible feeling that that would be premature. The talk is of Boris Johnson making a comeback. It seems that he easily has enough MPs behind him to get on to the shortlist. I have no doubt that members would then vote him in. In that eventuality, I'm confident that he would win the next general election.

Just call me a glass half-empty bloke. I don't mind!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 21 Oct 22 - 05:24 AM

But he was and still is,as far as I know, a supporter of Brexit. I think that people who read this thread will be well aware of how a handful of posters regard Brexit supporters.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 22 - 05:18 AM

Well I hope she mentioned me, but the rest of your post is balderdash. For a start, I haven't heard anything like a majority of posters here referring to him as racist. And in August of last year Mick promoted a "Respect" poster as part of the fight against racism, with an accompanying message:


TO: THE SECRETARY
ALL BRANCHES AND REGIONAL COUNCILS


Dear Colleague,

COMBATTING RACISM IN THE WORKPLACE – RESPECT POSTER

As part of the union’s on-going fight against racism, in liaison with the union’s Black and Ethnic Minority Members’ Advisory Committee, the attached poster has been produced for general distribution. The message of “respect” continues to remain key in the fight not only against racism but all forms of discrimination and harassment.

I would be most grateful if you could please bring the contents of this circular to the attention of your members.

Yours sincerely,

Michael Lynch

General Secretary.

You can see this letter, and the poster, on the RMT website.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 21 Oct 22 - 05:04 AM

Really Bonzo? I thought that you were a Hilary Benn fan.

What is this 'we' that you speak of?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Oct 22 - 04:32 AM

WE shall celebrate if Johnson returns to number 10!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 21 Oct 22 - 04:00 AM

"I've just received a lovely photo of her with Mick Lynch. Treasurable or what!"

Did she tell him that she has a brother who posts to a thread where a majority, though still only a handful, thinks that people like him are thick, brainwashed, racist twats?

I did think of mentioning that when I was on a march in support of the sacked P & O workers (remember them?).

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Oct 22 - 03:42 AM

Here you go Dick. From Wiki

The lettuce won

Plenty of other references, some of them hilarious, if you google "Liz Truss lettuce". Liz the Lettuce beamed onto parliament is one of the funniest.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Oct 22 - 02:55 AM

i think the worst choice would be Johnson, whoever is elected there will not be much difference in Conservative policy
Dave whats the refernce to a lettuce about

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Oct 22 - 02:36 AM

Stolen from an Internet friend who has a lovely turn of phrase ?


"Bye then Loopy Liz aka Bullshit Betty.

Trussolini said she'd hit the ground on day one. It was the only thing she got right, and that was an accident.

In 44 days, this useless piece of tripe in a skirt, caused a financial crisis, cost the Bank of England tens of billions of pounds, increased inflation and mortgage rates and provoked a fist fight amongst her own MPs.

Ultimately, she was beaten by a lettuce, and quite convincingly.

What happens next is anyone's guess, but I suspect the Conservative Party is in a death spiral. Weird, when just a year ago, they looked untouchable.

If the UK was a small African country the army would have moved in by now."

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 06:12 PM

My little sis, who was president of the NAHT a couple of years ago, has been at the TUC conference this week. I've just received a lovely photo of her with Mick Lynch. Treasurable or what!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 06:06 PM

You appear to be completely missing the moral dimension there, Rain Dog. It does matter, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 05:46 PM

"The only thing worse than those with their snouts in the trough are the leeches who line their grubby pockets while being paid to help overbloated s***s pay as little tax as possible."

If they are not breaking any laws then there is little wrong with that. The laws need changing but, as i have said before, neither party seems to have any intention of doing that.

Your comment is a bit like that of the tories going on about 'lefty lawyers' taking them to court over various matters.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 05:43 PM

Worry not. Your passionate sentiments are always much appreciated (by me at least!).

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 05:31 PM

Sorry folks, I shouldn't let myself get wound up by the troll.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 05:25 PM

I suppose when your inferiors die of hypothermia due to not being able to afford to heat their homes you will be able to have a big laugh. The only thing worse than those with their snouts in the trough are the leeches who line their grubby pockets while being paid to help overbloated s***s pay as little tax as possible.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 05:20 PM

Yeah, we just want those Tories to dye.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 05:01 PM

Mordaunt should fix it


it's a phonetic pun

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 03:11 PM

"I wonder if Truss will now qualify for the £115,000 p.a. Ex-PM’s pension? If so, it will be an absolute travesty, and an insult to every taxpayer, IMHO."

I hope she does qualify, if only to annoy the lefties!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 03:01 PM

BwM> I propose Larry, the No.10 cat, for PM.

Larry, it turns out, has a Twitter feed, and is reported to have said:

> The King has asked me to become Prime Minister, because this nonsense
> has gone on long enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Captain Swing
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 01:23 PM

Steve Shaw and Backwoodsman - Yes, I agree with both of you. If I seemed to exonerate Thatcher in any way it was certainly not intended. Mea culpa!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 01:15 PM

Is Bonzo hiding under his desk, or in a kennel or even a dog house.
Cmon Bonzo you were singing the praise of Truss
here is a quote from our dog in the manger bonzo 3 legs
"I am more than pleased to welcome Liz Truss as Prime Minster. I do not think she will suffer labour fools gladly!!" Bonzo is up barking creek without a paddle

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 12:20 PM

Hm: I half-remember reading (in one of the Tiffany Aching books) that certain clothing used to smell slightly of urine, as the dyers used that to "fix" the dye in the cloth. I believe the technical name for that is "mordant". Just sayin'.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 11:57 AM

We need legislation where every employee who resigns, is dismissed or fails their probationary review is automatically entitled to statutory redundancy or 25% of annual salary, whichever is the higher, also extended to self-employed contracts and freelancers.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 11:49 AM

i am guessing that they will choose MORDAUNT.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 11:07 AM

Going out now for tea in Sheffield, then The Proclaimers gig at the City Hall. No politics, and no f***ing Tory rogues, for the next seven or eight hours…

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 10:53 AM

I have always admired George Takei (Sulu of Star Trek) for being an openly gay and left of centre man in the midst of the nutters over the pond but he has gone up a notch with his recent comment on Faceache -

I detect a distinct lack of Truss in the British government today

:-D

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 10:45 AM

One of his thralls has just said that Alexander B**** de Pfeffel would "bring back grown-up politics". I'll just leave that [redacted] on the table for everyone to consider, and to complete the joke.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 10:27 AM

.... and just when the Treasury has had to wear the cost (according to earlier rumour) of replacing the gold wallpaper by padded wallpaper.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 10:09 AM

Aw rats. I did warn everybody that, in the lexicon of lavatories, de Pfeffel is a persistent floater; now, just when I thought he'd got his snout into the trough in the public-speaking circuit in the States (the posh boys' gig economy), the little offender's threatening to stand in the next leadership battle.

If you think the summer of discontent was bad, and the last month was awful, you ain't seen nuttin' yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 10:07 AM

I wonder if Truss will now qualify for the £115,000 p.a. Ex-PM’s pension? If so, it will be an absolute travesty, and an insult to every taxpayer, IMHO.

https://www.nationalworld.com/news/politics/boris-johnson-resignation-former-pms-are-entitled-to-claim-up-to-ps115k-per-year-toward-public-duties-3416391

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 09:32 AM

I propose Larry, the No.10 cat, for PM. He couldn’t do any worse than the last four…

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 09:23 AM

The fat rat usually wins. But things they are a'changin.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 08:58 AM

Try to remember the good ol' days when you merely had a winter of discontent.
You may have a freezing winter of monsterous malcontempt.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 08:55 AM

Hopefully, the fools who voted them into government in 2019 are beginning to realise the futility and stupidity of electing a party with no policies and no interest in the welfare of ordinary people, on the basis of nothing more than a three-word slogan.

A very expensive lesson (for ordinary people) to be learned there. The hugely wealthy won’t care, following Krazy Kwarteng’s gift to them of their money-grab opportunity.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 08:45 AM

Unfortunately, there are plenty more where she comes from.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 08:41 AM

Thank goodness for that. Now let’s see the back of this government of rogues.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 08:36 AM

...GONE!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 08:26 AM

Going...going...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 07:11 AM

They are very holy vegetables though. I remember being in church and the priest saying "lettuce pray"

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 07:06 AM

Let us celebrate the fact that lettuce has no nutritional value and that Liz Truss has proven, once and for all, that things can always get worse. I believe Queen Liz sensed that at her last meeting with Truss.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 07:04 AM

It was The Beast of Grantham who destroyed our industrial base, drove hundreds of thousands, if not millions, into unemployment and poverty, broke families apart, and was the enabler for the ‘policies’ of current bunch of thieves and rogues.

Never forget that.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 06:48 AM

Yes, and she forced millions into the indignity of living on the scrapheap whilst allowing spivs to enrich themselves. Very dignified.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Captain Swing
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 06:19 AM

Party politics aside, can anyone imagine Heath, MacMillan, Wilson, Callaghan etc behaving like this lot? While I wouldn't have agreed with some of them, at least they behaved with dignity. Dare I say it, even Thatcher, evil witch that she was, had some sense of dignity.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 04:53 AM

Grunts Shits Home Secratary. Oh well, we can add police, court prison officers' strikes to our winter of discontent then - possibly passport control too? What happens when they walk out. We can'r close the airports - I suppose they will just have to open the gates and let everyone through without any checks!!!! That would get the racists and bigots whining, wouldn't it.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Oct 22 - 03:52 AM

It’s surely the death-throes of the most corrupt, rotten-to-the-core government in my lifetime, or any of our lifetimes. Wealth-grabs courtesy of Krazy Kwarteng, class-war courtesy of the vile Anne-Marie Trevelyan, etc. etc.

Even our resident Tory-apologists seem to have given up defending that bunch of greedy Tory crooks. Time they were out.