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BS: Brexit & other UK political topics

Mr Red 24 Nov 20 - 10:14 AM
punkfolkrocker 25 Nov 20 - 09:44 AM
peteglasgow 25 Nov 20 - 05:42 PM
Steve Shaw 25 Nov 20 - 06:21 PM
Steve Shaw 25 Nov 20 - 07:12 PM
Dave the Gnome 26 Nov 20 - 06:46 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Nov 20 - 06:27 AM
Dave the Gnome 28 Nov 20 - 07:43 AM
Steve Shaw 28 Nov 20 - 10:30 AM
Dave the Gnome 28 Nov 20 - 01:00 PM
punkfolkrocker 28 Nov 20 - 02:19 PM
Steve Shaw 28 Nov 20 - 06:44 PM
The Sandman 29 Nov 20 - 02:29 AM
DMcG 29 Nov 20 - 04:01 AM
SPB-Cooperator 29 Nov 20 - 10:21 AM
Stilly River Sage 29 Nov 20 - 10:34 AM
punkfolkrocker 29 Nov 20 - 12:38 PM
Steve Shaw 30 Nov 20 - 05:35 AM
punkfolkrocker 30 Nov 20 - 05:56 AM
SPB-Cooperator 30 Nov 20 - 02:33 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Nov 20 - 10:14 AM

the Now Show Radio 4. The closing song (at approx 25:30 mins) by Flo & Jo a tribute to Dolly Parton part funding a vaccine came up with the immortal line:

Not all blondes are bimbos (except the one in number 10).

A tribute with bite. Yea!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 09:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjhHhL_15Nw&ab_channel=DoubleDownNews

Definitely worth watching...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 05:42 PM

thanks for that pdf, the most sensible comment i have seen on the question for ages. i can't understand why keir starmer is so keen to attack it. there surely can't be much to be gained by going along with the far right israeli government line. he is just out to appease the daily mail and cause trouble, obviously - but why?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 06:21 PM

Jesus, that was powerful. I watched ur. it with tears in my eyes. I suppose that makes me an antisemite...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 07:12 PM

Delete the ur.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Nov 20 - 06:46 AM

I have been chatting to PFR about Bluetooth ear phones too so took the opportunity to test something using that clip. Yep. Powerful stuff and I agree with every word she says.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 06:27 AM

Well whaddya know? Rishi Sunak's wife is richer than the Queen, and he's failed to declare almost all of this in the official register of ministers' interests, as he should have...
See Guardian.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 07:43 AM

Here's the link

Thing is, it will be ignored by Bozzer. He is of the Trump school of thought that this makes Sunak a very clever chacellor...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 10:30 AM

What gets me about this, apart from Dishi Rishi's dishonesty, is the spin. His wife is one of the hundred richest women in Britain. His wife is richer than the Queen.

But hang on a minute...

Where I come from, when you're MARRIED to someone, and they're rich, and as long as it's a proper marriage an' all that and not some shady arrangement, then if she's very very rich then he's just as very very rich... What's mine is thine an' all that...

For richer for poorer....

What am I missing here?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 01:00 PM

I think you are missing a tenet of the Tory creed, Steve.

What's yours is mine and what's mine is my own.

Presuming the latest Mrs S is of the same political persuasion as her hubby, he has no chance of getting his hands on her cash. He will continue to rob the poor to give to the rich instead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 02:19 PM

WARNING WARNING - SHIFTY TW@T ALERT...!!!!!

Nadhim Zahawi appointed as vaccine rollout minister


Well.. that inspires confidence...

Every time I've seen him interviewed on the news,
he's evasive, waffling, repetitive, nervously uncomfortably squirming and sweating;

Looks like you've just caught him red handed rummaging through your underwear drawer..

Yeah.. top choice appointment to such a serious responsibility...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 06:44 PM

Couldn't agree more, pfr. As soon as I heard the news I clasped my hand to my head (which wasn't as aching as usual, as, well, it is Saturday night and well past Prosecc-o'clock...)

Can't wait to hear that we've got the "capacity" to vaccinate twenty million, but, so far, as of late Feb, we've managed a couple of hundred in Surbiton... and that millions of vaccines are "lost in the post" (my old mum's excuse for not sending me a birthday card...) Maybe that bloke down the pub in Mark Hancock's village, you know, the guy who makes paper coffee cups, will manage at least a few hundred glass vials by then... Anyone know a good glass-blower??


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 02:29 AM

what a cock up,i despair, and why a 70 percent vacinr instead of a 95 per cent , is it because its cheaper


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 04:01 AM

You can add to that the proposal that the 'Winter Plan' now looks like it will be coming to end at the start of February rather than end of March, at which point the MPs will be able to vote on something to replace it.

Who cares if we have a pandemic to control? Let's keep promising to end our plans for no better reason than keeping Tory MPs on side. (The bills are likely to pass anyway with Labour support, but that's embarrassing for Johnson.)

If you recall, the only reason the lockdown is ending on 2nd December was because Johnson had to promise it would end then to placate the backbenchers. It was obvious something would have to replace it, but that's a problem for another day: concentrate on getting the lockdown vote through.

This is exactly the same strategy: promise it is ending but don't give a thought to what comes after.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 10:21 AM

In London Yesterday

Why wasn't everyone involved placed into compulsory supervised quarantine for 14 days and allowed to go home once they have paid for and got a negative test in order to safeguard their communities?

I am looking forward to the government making a legally binding announcement that their will be no further restrictions if, because of their behaviour, their is a spike in the number of infections.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 10:34 AM

All of those bare-faced protesters are pretty alarming. No attempt to distance, no masks dangling around their necks ready to put on in close situations. Even just people with their noses out of their masks defeat the entire purpose of the mask, they might as well not have one on. It's difficult to shame them into compliance, and I'm sure it is the influence of Trump's bellicose behavior that has emboldened others around the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 12:38 PM

All the worst damaging political shit Britain is enduring has ideological origins,
funding, and string pulling,
from alt right America..

We have too many influential fake British patriots in Govt, mainstream and social media,
deviously selling us out to their USA pay masters...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 05:35 AM

Now it seems that Sunak's hedge-fund missus has been involved in companies that channel investments through Mauritius in order to avoid taxes payable in India. "Well, that's entirely your own business, dear..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 05:56 AM

Not saying our PM is a poor judge of character..

.. but..

If Jimmy Saville were still breathing,
boris would probably appoint him as special adviser to Hospitals and Schools...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 30 Nov 20 - 02:33 PM

Nah, it would be child protection.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 01:43 AM

This just popped up on my youtube feed...

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgwCoxZ03yLox8xeRit4AaABCQ

"Sky News
11 hours ago
A backlash over a council's plan to spend £100,000 on the unveiling of a Margaret Thatcher statue
has prompted more than 1,000 people to promise they will turn up at an "egg throwing contest" on the same day...
"

https://news.sky.com/story/margaret-thatcher-statue-more-than-1-000-vow-to-attend-egg-throwing-contest-at-unveiling-amid-backlash-12147303

[clicky wont work..]

"Margaret Thatcher statue: More than 1,000 vow to attend 'egg throwing contest' at unveiling amid backlash
The £300,000 bronze statue will be placed on a 10ft-high plinth to prevent vandalism....
"


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 02:53 PM

if people want to demonstrate against wearing masks they should be allowed to providing they are social distancing.
Whethet the intention of governments is to control people for the sake of controllling , i do not know, does anyone else know, do yiu know spb co operator, no of course you do not.
but you are developing alarming totalitarian tendencies, however a lot of controlling is occurring, i wear masks in supermarkets ,but none of us know how effective they are, i think social distancing is more important,
i have noticed how this is being used to divide people against another ,people haranguing others for not wearing masks, divide and rule again, some people behaving in over the top aggressive attitudes to others for not wearing masks


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 03:44 PM

It isn't totalitarianism, it is care for myself, the people I love, my friends and my community. it is not so much whether or not people should be forced to look after their own safety, and if they have a death wish, that is their own choice. However, thus was a case where people protesting were not practicing social distancing, and when they go into their workplace the next working day, can their employers guarantee that they have not picked up an infection they are bringing to work, Can the school teachers guarantee the same about the protestors' children?

Nobody enjoys the restrictions, and in my view the government have twice waited until the horse have bolted before closing the stable door.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Dec 20 - 03:47 PM

Now I may be wrong but if people are demonstrating about wearing masks I don't think they are going to be too bothered about social distancing.

Just my tuppence worth.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 01:40 AM

STEVE how effective are masks,just answer the question/
QUOTE SPB
Why wasn't everyone involved placed into compulsory supervised quarantine for 14 days. THAT IS THE ATTITUDE OF A TOTALITARIAN
you are making an assumption that they have covid 19.
RAGGY TASH,you are making a sweeping statemrent that all those protestors are the same and have exactly the same opinions, that is as wide of the mark as suggesting that all people who wear masks feel the same way about it.
however i have witnessed people who choose not to wear masks being verbally abused in supermarkets , that is out of order. and is an example of governments getting people to turn on each other divide and rule, i have also seen people wearing masks not giving social distance to others
one person wearing a mask had the audacity to brush me while trying to get to the hand sanitiser. some people wear a mask and seem to forget about social distancing


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 02:54 AM

The science is dead simple and summarised by round about the only good three word catchphrase this government had come up with. Hands. Face. Space. A combination of all three will help to reduce the spread and everyone should comply. Apart from anyone with genuine medical issues, those purposely flouting those rules are simply knobheads. Those abusing people for not wearing masks are not much better but at least they are not dangerous.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 03:09 AM

but at least they are not dangerous. quote
but what if they fart, can they still spread the virus whilst wearing a mask? i was in a supermarket and someone did a really smelly one, and nobody knew who it was.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 03:22 AM

i am not extracting the urine , but there appears to be medical disagreement on tthe dangers of passing wind and the virus in public


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 03:28 AM

but, dave, that pillock that brushed up against me wearing a mask to get at the hand sanitiser was possibly dangerous, he touched me unnecsssarily, not just a pillock but a knobhead


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 03:34 AM

Yep, absolutely, Dick. Hands. Face>. Space.

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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 03:36 AM

Just a thought on those who spout freedom of choice.

Wonder if they would be happy if I chose to walk round with no pants and shit on the pavement?


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 04:09 AM

they spout freedom of choice not to wear a mask they are not asking to shit on the pavement,
now i do not mind them not wearing a mask if they keep their distance, but people who wear a mask but come close and touch me imo are more dangerous., particularly ironic as he was trying to get to the hand sanitiser
as for you mooning ,
you dont have the figure for it and as for shitting on the pavement it is against the law.
this is the situation in ireland
When must I wear a face covering?
Public transport

You must wear a face covering while using public transport.

If you have a reasonable excuse to not wear a face covering, you should tell the driver or inspector. Read ‘Exceptions’ below for information on reasonable excuses.

Drivers of a public transport vehicle do not have to wear a face covering if they are:

    Alone in a compartment
    Separated from passengers by a screen
    In the vehicle but there are no passengers getting on or off
the people who were demonstrating against wearing a mask were outside.
that is not breaking the law however if they were demonstrating but not social distancing that is different,
but spb insisting that they should be told to self isolate is behaving in a totalitarian manner
he knows nothing about them but assumes they are working and have children.
meanwhile schools remain open in the uk and it is not compulsory to wear masks
Schools and colleges will have the discretion to require face coverings in indoor communal areas where social distancing cannot be safely managed if they believe that it is right in their particular circumstances
why are schools open ,
bloody stupid, they could catch up with their education with a extra months ion the summer , which would mean that by then vaccination would have been rolled out. meanwhile schoolteachers are being put at risk


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 04:33 AM

Yea, ok, shitting on the pavement may be a bit extreme but it they are spouting freedom to not wear masks, what about my freedom to not wear pants?:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 04:37 AM

well that is against the law too, its called indecent exposure, i am guessing you mean naked, when you say not wearing pants , not wearing trousers and not underpants.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 04:41 AM

and you are free to got to a nudist camp and dingle your dongle as long as you dont dingle your dongles and get too close, but there are probably no nudist camps open, or m,aybe y0u can wear a mask over your john thomas, try doing that in your local supermarket thats proibably ok if you have amask over your face and a willy warmer over your tresticles and bjollocks , try it out and let me know


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 05:09 AM

Telling me I must wear pants is totalitarian!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 05:20 AM

no, its the law, you can be fined for indecent exposure ,it is not breaking the law to make outdoor protests provide you socially distance , it is totalitarian for steve to insist that they all isolate when he does not know anything about them.or whether they are covid free
it interests me to spot potential controllers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 06:24 AM

Looks like the UK will get the vaccine before the USA


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 06:46 AM

Not so Dick, I didn't make any assumptions I responded to your statement:

"if people want to demonstrate against wearing masks they should be allowed to providing they are social distancing."

If anyone was making an assumption it was you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 06:47 AM

Viruses are carried in moisture droplet, not methane emissions. Underwear and trousers serve the purpose of **** coverings as masks do as face coverings.

The idea of mass interment is of course ironic, but taking into account the almost certain evidence that the crowds at the football match in Liverpool and the horse races at Cheltenham made the first wave worse than it could have been, gathering in crowds to protest and not wearing face coverings or socially distancing while doing so is irresponsible and has a potential public health risk. The real issues is that the more people someone who is infected comes in contact with, the greater the rate of reinfection. That isn't politics, it is mathematics.

I don't have problems if people want to put themselves at risk, as long as they don't expect help when things go pear-shaped for them - talk to anyone who does mountain rescue as a volunteer or for a living, or RNLI/Coastguard who have to rescue holidaymakers from inflatable toy dinghies. I am concern about people who are cavalier about putting other people at risk.

Restrictions are horrible, but they won't go away while mobs of people flout them just because they don't like being told to take responsibility. Also, if we had a government that faced up to its public health responsivities in a timely manner, then this discussion probably wouldn't even be happening.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 06:55 AM

You're a lucky man if you have both tresticles and bjollocks, Dick. Good luck finding a willy warmer man enough to do the job...

I was in the pub and a bloke sidled up to me at the bar, saying, Hey mate, between you and me we have five bollocks. Why, said I, have you only got the one?

I'm not a mask dissenter or an anti-mask campaigner, and I wear them where required at all times, but, loud and proud, I say that masks are probably more bad than good when I see the misuse they are routinely put to. Wot a lot of people don't realise, when they feel all safe behind their masks and forget all about social distancing, is that not all viruses are inside big sneezy drops that get trapped in the fabric, that virus particles are virtually non-filterable, and that mask wearers who constantly fiddle with the damn things, which is an awful lot of them, probably have a lot more virus on their hands than people who don't wear masks. Yet mask wearing is compulsory whereas hand-washing isn't. You couldn't make it up. Let's stick to the law this time but determine NEVER to let a government control us in this way ever again. Saw a good tweet yesterday which said that I'm not allowed to go to my mum's for tea in her house yet I can have my minge waxed by a total stranger...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 07:41 AM

Using hand sanitisers whenever I pass one helps with that problem - even if it does dry the skin on my hands. My better half has a bigger problem because of eczema from skin allergies. (does anyone know why we say exma and not exzeema - decades of lazy speaking?). Surely the answer in favour of masks is that if we cough on someone, the droplets have a much higher viral load than if we breath on someone. I still find it ridiculous when people still spout on about masks being impervious to oxygen and carbon dioxide. Maybe they are using polythene masks???


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 07:59 AM

then dont cough on anyone use your hand, its easy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 08:12 AM

That's fine if you don't touch things that other people will touch after.


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 08:33 AM

i wont be touching you


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 12:41 PM

..a year of covid is tending to bring out the inner conspiracy theorist rebel nutter
in even the previously most sensible folks...

However, all the pre-covid nutters are now completely nucking futs...!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 12:55 PM

Maybe this bloke got it right.

And Dick, maybe you should stop telling people to use their hand. People may think you're an expert at it...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 01:20 PM

I've never tried nuckin' a fut, but when I was younger I did enjoy muffin' the mule...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 02:03 PM

We were in The Sportsman at Hayfield and saw they had duck muffin on the menu. You can imagine the conversation.

They did have the classic three plaster ducks on the wall and we wondered if they had already been muffed...


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Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Dec 20 - 02:04 PM

Oh, and 400!


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