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London Folk Song Cellar - Final

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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Oct 21 - 12:20 PM

The discs are all up for auction on eBay (at a sensible price!) and you can see detailed photos of both sides on the site.


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 21 - 07:49 AM

Guest - you have "found 14 disks in all and just one has a "stereo" stamp to it." They're from series 1. As you know the disks would be paired together. So you have a mixture of A and B sides of the first 13 episodes. I think the recordings would have been in stereo, but the eventual disks would have been manufactured as mono.

Its a shame the discs did not come with inserts - these are collectible too.

Its interesting the detail re: Decca. The discs should have the matrix number somewhere near the runout groove, or maybe on the edge. There are catalogues of these. The folk at the LOC's "Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List" might have access to these.

Re: your other discs, a list would be great. Although most trans discs are documented for such programmes. The BBC has a huge collection in Bristol. They are gradually being re-aired on R4X. One Keith Wickham - as a hobby - restores such (and home-taped recordings) for BBC R4X. He even uses home-taped recordings to splice in missing cuts to trans discs. As you might know trans discs were always approx. 25 mins long to leave room for overseas commercial stations to air commercials.

Incidentally with regards to LFSC trans discs these are invariable less than 25 mins per side (i.e. less than 50 mins per programme). We have yet to identify where the cuts were made from the original 60 minute programmes as aired and the commensurate trans disc versions. There are no surviving recordings of the original aired programmes.   

As an aside there is a Facebook Group for collectors of BBC trans discs. Ex-Beeb staff are active on it and have great stories to tell of the old days.


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB666
Date: 15 Oct 21 - 07:16 AM

Re: BL - enduring copyright means no copying of multi-media - period, and if available only supervised personal on-site access is allowed to some recordings.

Its the same with the LOC and such as the newly rediscovered tape of the BBC / Langston / Lomax "The Man Who Went To War." Access is only for those in person in situ. Indeed both prohibits non-academic access to recordings deposited such as TMWWTW and such as the Howson's collection of recordings of trad. folk singers and musicians.

On the other hand the RVWML used to allow (srill does?) non-members and even those from overseas such as from the USA, as in the recent past, to 'borrow' much of its holdings. And in the past thousands of items were never returned. Don't ever mention missing items with RVWML staff, such as when did they last conduct an audit, and what was missing?


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: Tony Rees
Date: 10 Oct 21 - 02:03 PM

Just as a refresher, so what is the deal with the set at the British Library Sound Library, with contents "inaccessible to all"? Can one not request or purchase a copy of an item, or go there and listen to something?... Even if they do not wish for copies to be then made available to others? What is the point of a (publicly funded) archive if the public cannot access it?

- Tony


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Oct 21 - 09:23 AM

They are genuine green and yellow BBC discs. I presume mono as I found 14 in all and just one has a "stereo" stamp to it. The remainder are easy listening and spoken word (Navy Lark and I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again.) As a side note they appear to be Decca pressings as they have the distinctive Decca deep groove. They were all stuffed sleeveless between a sheet of bubble wrap in an ancient battered vinyl carry case!


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 10 Oct 21 - 08:46 AM

Its great that you have discovered more LFSC tdiscs. Are they genuine BBC tdiscs? Are they mono or stereo? The ones we have are Hartford USA. Don't give up any links or media. Our discs - for eps 1-13 - were shot to pieces, and digitisation and processing took months. They could never be played again. We offered them to C#H - 'cos that's where the programmes were recorded. The disinterest was underwhelming. But if you have alternative discs then keep them!!!! Meanwhile we have found that the missing discs / tracks esp. ep 28 is languishing in the BL Sound Library. Indeed they have a full set - inaccessible to all.

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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: Tony Rees
Date: 10 Oct 21 - 04:27 AM

Hi CJB, in answer to your message of a few days back, my email is tonyrees49 [at] gmail.com ...

Regards - Tony


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,New Member
Date: 08 Oct 21 - 12:35 PM

I left off 7/8, again this seems accounted for.


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,New Member
Date: 08 Oct 21 - 12:17 PM

Thansk for the information, that makes sense. So with the two different side 11s I have, the one with the spoken intro is part one and the one which launches straight into a song is part two, I take it.
I have discovered 9/10, 11/12, 11/13 and 12/13, but it seems these are all accounted for already.


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 07:23 PM

The format of trans discs for say episode 11 - side A and side B - is thus. These would be on two different discs. This would be to facilitate the smooth transfer from the end of side A to the start of side B - both discs spinning at the same time on their respective turntables.

The entire set of 39 episodes would be on 39 discs, or 78 sides. Discs were paired together with the As on one disc and the Bs on its companion.

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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 07:15 PM

To Tony Rees - can you send me an email address, and I can send you a definitive list of tracks in spreadsheet form. CJB


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 07:09 PM

There is a definitive upload including track lists here ....

https://ulozto.net/hledej?q=lfsc

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The episodes 1 through 13 are from transcription discs.

The rest are from reel-reel / cassette tapes recorded off-air mostly researched, collected and processed by Mitch and Robyn Park in NZ.

We are missing episode 28 entirely. Some episodes are incomplete such as 35 and 39.

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If you can list the discs that you have access to then it may be that you have better recordings than we have.

CJB


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,New Member
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 12:11 PM

Is this topic still active? I've discovered some of the BBC transcription discs. There are two different side elevens amongst the ones I've found. One matches up to the description in this thread. The other side eleven is completely different but does feature Felicity Johnson and the Four Folk.


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB666
Date: 23 Sep 20 - 06:07 PM

Bumpity ...


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB666
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 03:45 PM

Meanwhile it would be great for folks to try and track down tracks from episodes 28, 31 and 39:

LFSC 28        Featured artists: The North West Three, Kathie MacDonald, Trevor Lucas, The Chiltern Ramblers, Robin Hall & Jimmie MacGregor.

We have 25% - all artistes are missing tracks
        
LFSC 31        Featured artists: The Taverners, Sandy Denny ("Green grow the laurels"), Bob Cann, Don Partridge, The Leesiders, Robin Hall & Jimmie MacGregor.

We have about 75% incl .Sandy Denny, but other artistes are missing.
        
LFSC 39        Featured artists: The Watersons, Sydney Carter, Tessa Clifford, Dave Swarbrick and Martin Carthy, Robin Hall & Jimmie MacGregor.

We have about 70%, but other artistes are missing.

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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: Tony Rees
Date: 08 Sep 20 - 03:45 AM

OK!


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 07 Sep 20 - 08:35 PM

The version of LFSC00 is well out of date. We have found some more tracks. Files will be updated when we get time. So the authors would not be happy for incorrect information to be posted here at this time.


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: Tony Rees
Date: 07 Sep 20 - 01:59 AM

Aha - found the track list for the various sessions - cunningly disguised on the site that Chris directed us to, as "LFSC 00 - Track List.zip"... 39 individual text files (could be concatenated for rapid browsing one supposes). If the authors would be happy for me to do that and post here, I can do so, but would not want to be presumptious...

Regards - Tony


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB666
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 05:03 PM

These dates do not correlate with other information for Sandy's appearances on CFOF on Genome.

"Fhir A' Bhata" and "Green Grow The Laurels": from "Folk Song Cellar", broadcast(?) BBC World Service, 2 December 1966

"Hold On To Me Babe" and "Blues Run the Game": from "Cellar Full of Folk", broadcast(?) BBC World Service, 6 March 1967

Actually BBC World Service never carried LFSC.

And Genome does not list World Service airings.

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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB666
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 04:32 PM

Sadly there are very few CFOF recordings extant. And John Penhallow explcitly states that two recordings of Sandy Denny came from LFSC acetates in Perth (which we have ccpies of). So the hypothesis is that these two Sandy Denny recordings on LFSC 31 and 36 actually came from CFOF - despite this latter being a folk programme from 1967 well after the LFSC series of 1966. And if the recordings came from CFOF then Sandy could not have appeared on LFSC and indeed never reocrded at C#H as is stated on so many websites.


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: Tony Rees
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 04:22 PM

OK... Genome online DB (Radio Times listings) has 2 items for CFOF that include Sandy Denny:

Saturday 18 March 1967
17.31A CELLAR FULL OF FOLK
with THE IAN CAMPBELL FOLK GROUP
SANDY DENNY
CLIFF AUNGIER sings and introduces on record Tom PAXTON
Produced by Ian Grant

Saturday 22 April 1967
17.31A CELLAR FULL OF FOLK
with SAM'S FRIENDS
SANDY DENNY
Bill Clifton sings and introduces on record THE BROTHERS FOUR
Produced by Ian Grant

(full list abtainable via https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20?adv=0&q=cellar+full+of+folk&media=all&yf=1923&yt=2009&mf=1&mt=12&tf=00%3A00&tt=00%3A00#search)

It seems these are not LFSC despite earlier reports to the contrary in some sources...


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,cjb666
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 02:27 PM

Re: the below:

BBC World Service “Folk Song Cellar”, host Alex Campbell, rec. December 2, 1966, broadcast January 11, 1967
A12       Green Grow The Laurels
Written By – Traditional
A13       The Boatman
Written-By – Traditional

BBC World Service was nothing to do with London Folk Song Cellar. Alex Campbell was never the host for LFSC - the hosts were always Robin Hall & Jimmie MacGregor.

LFSC was produced by and for BBC Transcription Services - a completely separate entity to BBC WS.

LFSC was never aired on Short Wave, only from acetates / transcription discs sold to overseas radio stations by BBC TS or Hartwest (USA).

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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 01:58 PM


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB666
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 09:06 AM

John Penhallow says ...

http://sandydennylist.blogspot.com/2009/12/bbc-sessions-1971-73.html

"The BBC's policy during the '60's and '70's was to include a quota of BBC studio recorded songs to meet a Musicians Union requirement about work and exposure for British artists otherwise Britain would be overrun by those damned Americans and the rock & roll and Boogie Woogie Music! So there is a legacy of recordings that has included the Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Fleetwood Mac, Pentangle and of course Fairport, Fotheringay & Sandy. They all trouped into the BBC's Studios around London and laid down 4-5 tracks per session, in one take mono originally, without overdubs and with minimal production gizmo's on hand. So it was a great learning curve for the bands that went through the routine, you had to have a disciplined approach for the Beeb. Once the recordings were done then the 4 tracks would be sprinkled in to the playlist of a 2 or 3 hour music radio show on Radio On. They then got passed around to other shows, got played on the BBC World Service Short Wave Folk Programmes and had acetates (short life 12" records) made that were shipped out to the "Colonies" national broadcasters like Australia's ABC, NZBC, Canada's CBC, Hong Kong's HKBC and a few others who had agreements to play them whenever and destroy them after 8 years. The Folk Song Cellar tracks on our Attic Tracks Vol. 3 cassette come from an acetate NOT destroyed but kept in the archives at the ABC in Perth, WA, and copied for me in their studios by a Fairport Friendly presenter, producer and penfriend who also sent me some Ralph McTell, ISB and John Martyn shows from the Cambridge Folk Festivals in the early 80's - damm good stuff."


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB666
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 07:15 AM

Yes - there was indeed a folk club in the Cellar Bar at C#H. It went on for many years, indeed it might be that the pandemic finally closed it. There was also Folk London's Cellar Upstairs Folk Club - an off-shoot? The real folk club had little if nothing to do with Peter Kennedy's imaginary LFSC radio programme.


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 07:06 AM

Although this was an imaginary club, there was in fact a real C# Cellar Folk club, which if memory serves was on a Saturday night. I used to go regularly when it was run by Jack & Margaret King. Late 60's I think. Saw many good singers there, and made my first disastrous attempt at floor singing. Disastrous because I had been down to the pub in the interval, and had consumed a few too many beers there.


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB666
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 07:06 AM

A more definitive account of the Sandy Denny recordings is here:

http://sandydennylist.blogspot.com/2009/12/bbc-sessions-1971-73.html

Her two songs were on 31 and 36. These were the total of her involvement with LFSC at C#H - not a lot.

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Yes - the acetates of 1-13 were sold by a guy in London. They were Hartwest copies from the USA. They were shot to pieces, deep scratches, needle drop holes, grooves full of sh$t causng hiss and needle skips, needle skips from broken grooves, pops and crackles. I know - it was I who bought them. It took over a year to clean them, digitise them, then edit the files to remove the imperfections. The needle skips were a nightmare, but off-air reel-reel tapes had been researched and obtained by Mitch and Robyn P. in NZ, and the skipped grooves could be replaced by splicing in snippets from their tapes.

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Yes - I've told the guy on eBay that £500 for ONE acetate is a tad high, especially since we already have that disc from another source. He refused my offer of a lesser price. But that is what he paid and he wanted a return - which he'll never get. Nearly as bad as the BBC Hawkwind acetate at £1,500 - ridiculous prices.   

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Actually Sandy didn't have very much to do with the LFSC and recordings at C#H - despite her talent, she only had but 2 tracks on the whole series. Many of the other artists appeared many times.

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BTW the recordings were not done 'live' so to speak. The recordings were done in 6-week sessions with and without an audience, and then edited to sound like a coffee bar folk club with spliced in audience applause. The whole series was a complete fiction. We have out-takes of artists who didn't even appear such as John Pearse.   

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Anne Briggs had three songs on LFSC - 01 x 1/ 16 x 2, that is on two different episodes. This does not mean that she was at C#H two times. Likely she was only there once (maybe like Sandy), recorded her songs (and maybe some backups), and the best were then edited into two different episodes. She has recently issued these recordings on EP, but they sound strange because there are background noises which somewhat detract from her performances. They were recorded in 1966 after all.

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CJB


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: Tony Rees
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 05:14 AM

Also a set of discs 1-13 here:

https://www.rootsvinylguide.com/ebay_items/1966-folk-song-cellar-13-vinyl-discs-bbc-transcription-service-programs-1-13

(sold a couple of years back for $1,200 US)

- Tony


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: Tony Rees
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 05:05 AM

Hi Chris,

You can reach me at tonyrees49 (at) gmail.com

I am in Australia by the way (Sydney time zone)...

Cheers - Tony


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB666
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 04:57 AM

Tony - what's your email address?


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: Tony Rees
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 03:45 AM

Plus info for LFSC 32 here:

http://www.flaxey-green.co.uk/Pages/Performance.html

I tried to follow the links to your spreadsheet (?of tracks and performers) as noted above, a few years late, but the links have expired it seems. Perhaps you could re-post it here if you still have a version accessible, or post it as a web page on a server elsewhere - or someone (I could do it) can convert from a spreadsheet to plain text for posting here if you wish. I am sure Reinhard Zierke of "Mainly Norfolk" would also happily host any information you would be interested in putting up, as well...

Best - Tony


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: Tony Rees
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 03:34 AM

LFSC disc 30 picture and track list available here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BBC-Transcription-Service-Vinyl-LP-Folk-Song-Cellar-29-30-CN612-S-120043-S-/173976072851

You can even buy it if you have a spare GBP 500.00...

- Tony


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: Tony Rees
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 02:08 AM

Also correlating the artists cited on the 7 (only?) entries on Genome, with broadcast dates, it seems the following might apply:

LFSC 01 broadcast in the UK on Saturday 13 August 1966 (and also featured Anne Briggs, perforing 3 songs of the 4 recently released on "Four Songs", Fledg'ling WING 1006)

LFSC 02 broadcast in the UK on Saturday 20 August 1966

LFSC 03 broadcast in the UK on Saturday 27 August 1966

LFSC 04 broadcast in the UK on Saturday 3 September 1966

LFSC 05 broadcast in the UK on Saturday 10 September 1966

LFSC 06 broadcast in the UK on Saturday 17 September

LFSC 08 broadcast in the UK on Saturday 24 September 1966.

(why the last date mentioned featured LFSC 08 and not 07 is a mystery to me...)

Regards - Tony


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: Tony Rees
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 01:36 AM

RE the above, on its listing for Sandy Denny, Attic Tracks vol. 3, discogs has the following information:

        BBC Light Programme “Cellar Full of Folk”, rec. March 6, 1967, broadcast March 18, 1967
A11        Hold On To Me Babe
Written-By – Tom Paxton

BBC World Service “Folk Song Cellar”, host Alex Campbell, rec. December 2, 1966, broadcast January 11, 1967
A12        Green Grow The Laurels
Written By – Traditional
A13        The Boatman
Written-By – Traditional

So (if my supposition above is correct, and the dates given are accurate), the last 2 dates cited might be applicable to LFSC 31.

For general info: I found this image of an actual disc (LFSC 13) on an old "for sale" listing, if anyone is interested in what they look(ed) like:
https://www.popsike.com/Folk-Song-Cellar-BBC-Transcription-Disc-60s-LP/270710538933.html

also some images and track listings for LFSC 35 and 36 here:
http://www.strawbsweb.co.uk/albtrack/bcast/transc.asp

Cheers - Tony


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: Tony Rees
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 01:20 AM

Sandy Denny was maybe on LFSC 31, with The Taverners, Bob Cann, Don Partridge, The Leesiders, cf. info from a different Muscat thread (https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=136843)...


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: Tony Rees
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 06:34 PM

BTW The Sandy Denny Track info from "Live at the BBC" says the following:

"Fhir A' Bhata" and "Green Grow The Laurels": from "Folk Song Cellar", broadcast(?) BBC World Service, 2 December 1966

"Hold On To Me Babe" and "Blues Run the Game": from "Cellar Full of Folk", broadcast(?) BBC World Service, 6 March 1967

(although you have probably seen this already)

- Tony


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: Tony Rees
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 06:29 PM

Hi Chris,

You wrote:

>>[Neither] Sandy Denny nor Anne Briggs are included in the lists above because their tracks have been issued on CD or EP...

But it would still be nice to know from which sessions they emanate (if you have that info) - from a discographically completist perspective of course, irrespective of re-releases or not...

(Also noting that you do include Anne Briggs as a contributor to LFSC 16)

Regards - Tony


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB666
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 05:17 PM

As an aside if anyone wishes to voice objections to this project the files can be very quickly taken down and can be deleted permanently. All source materials including the acetates have been willed to C#H for their archives.


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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB666
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 05:13 PM

Sandy Denny nor Anne Briggs are included in the lists above because their tracks have been issued on CD or EP which are available commercially in far better quality than our amateurish recordings.

Our recordings are mainly off-air from AM complete with heterodyne whistles and clicks albeit cleaned up. Or acetates that have scratches and holes (from needle drops) and with grooves full of dust. Nothing we have is remotely broadcast quality.

Sadly there are no documentary records of actual recording dates. Such documentary records, if they exist, are not in the public domain. We know that the recording sessions were in 6 weekly blocks. The recordings were made in Trefusis - the basement function room at C#H. The whole idea of a folk club was a complete fiction, an invention by Peter Kennedy. The 'audience' was specially invited but it is believed some recordings were made sans audience. Many 'takes' would have been required.

The BBC UK tx dates are on Genome - but only for episodes 1 to 6 and 8, not 7 and not 9 to 39. Some tx dates have been recorded for when the NZBC National Programme aired the transcription discs in the late 1970s.

The BFBS Archives have some off-air recordings dated 1970s.

The whole series was aired in Australia and even Papau New Guinea. Also in the USA. And in Germany incl. Europe and the Middle East on BFBS FM.

The information above comes from the BLSA Cadenza db. The information for episodes 31 and 36 is wrong. Cellar Full Of Folk is mentioned in many places as the source for Sandy's tracks on LFSC. But CFOF recordings are dated in Genome as being 1967. LFSC is dated as being 1966. So how could tracks from CFOF be used for LFSC?

There's some very inaccurate and misleading research out there regarding Sandy's recordings.

To confuse matters further the BBC Archives have files of out-takes of singers who never appeared on LFSC, but their documentary records state that they were. These are out-takes entitled "Folk Cellar" and are dated 1965. These include a session by John Pearse - who never appeared on LFSC. The out-rakes from 1965 could never have been used for LFSC (1966) nor CFOF (1967).

As an aside it would be great if the BBC and EFDSS could re-air the LFSC episodes. It is C#H's 80th anniv. this year (or something). The British Library has a full set of transcription discs in far better condition than anything we have.

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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: Tony Rees
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 03:15 PM

Wot no Sandy Denny? From her current Wikipedia page:

'Denny made the first of many appearances for the BBC at Cecil Sharp House on 2 December 1966 on the Folk Song Cellar programme where she accompanied herself on two traditional songs: "Fir a Bhata" and "Green Grow the Laurels" ' - some previous discussion at /mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=133176

Also, are the dates (recording and/or broadcast) for the above sessions listed somewhere??

(Sorry I have not been following this and previous related threads as much as I might)...

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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 01:51 PM

Artists:
LFSC 01        Featuring: The Ian Campbell Group, Cyril Tawney, Roy and Val Bailey.        
LFSC 02 Featuring: The Spinners, Felicity Joinson, John Foreman.         
LFSC 03        Featuring: Shirley Collins, The Dubliners, Rosemary and Hugh Gentleman, Steve Benbow.         
LFSC 04        Featuring: The Strawberry Hill Boys, Bob Rundle, Nadia Cattouse, Matt McGinn.         
LFSC 05        Featuring: The Four Folk, Rory McEwen, Roy and Val Bailey.         
LFSC 06        Featuring: Nan Fleming-Williams and Dennis Smith, Isabel Sutherland, Cyril Tawney, The Watersons of Hull.         
LFSC 07        Featuring: Frankie Armstrong and Louis Killen, Rosemary and Hugh Gentleman, The Corrie Folk Trio.         
LFSC 08        Featuring: Ian Campbell Group, Bob Roberts, Lynn and Graham McCarthy, Packie Manus Byrne.         
LFSC 09        Featuring: The Spinners, Alex Campbell, Shirley Hart and Colin Wilkie.         
LFSC 10        Featuring: Nan Fleming-Williams and Dennis Smith, Nigel Denver, John Foreman, The Gareth Francis Folk Group, Shirley Collins.         
LFSC 11        Featuring: The Four Folk, Martin Carthy, Felicity Joinson, Bob Rundle.         
LFSC 12        Featuring: The Dubliners, Roy and Val Bailey, John Sheenan and Group, Steve Benbow.        
LFSC 13        Featuring: Margaret Barry, Cyril Tawney, The Exiles.         
LFSC 14        Featuring: The Settlers, Isla Cameron, Packie Manus
LFSC 15        Featuring: Joanne Hindley-Smith, Alex Campbell, The Young Tradition.         
LFSC 16        Featuring: Jack Armstrong and Patricia Jennings, Anne Briggs, Johnny Handle, The Ian Campbell Group.         
LFSC 17        Featuring: The Dubliners, Nadia Cattouse, Steve Benbow, Lewis Johns and John Steel.        
LFSC 18        Featuring: Cyril Tawney, Louise Killen, Rosemary and Hugh Gentleman, Matt McGinn.        
LFSC 19        Featuring: The Young Tradition, Bob Rundle, Shirley Bland, Rory McEwen.         
LFSC 20        Featuring: Jackie and Bridie, Alex Campbell, The Three City Four.         
LFSC 21        Featuring: The Watersons of Hull, Raymond Roland, Colin Wilkie and Shirley Hart, Felicity Joinson.        
LFSC 22        Featuring: Isabel Sutherland, Steve Benbow, The Gareth Francis Folk Group, Bob Roberts.         
LFSC 23        Featuring: The Corrie Folk Trio, Johnny Handle, Llyn and Graham McCarthy.        
LFSC 24        Featuring: The Ian Campbell Group, John Foreman, Jack Armstrong and Patricia Jennings, Frankie Armstrong and Louis Killen.         
LFSC 25        Featuring: The McPeake Family, Shirley Bland, Lewis Johns and John Steel.         
LFSC 26        Featuring: Roy and Val Bailey, Matt McGinn, Isla Cameron and Martin Carthy, The Young Tradition.        
LFSC 27        Featured artists: The Black Country Three, Wag Puddefoot, Shirley and Dolly Collins, Sean O'Shea.        
LFSC 28        Featured artists: The North West Three, Kathie MacDonald, Trevor Lucas, The Chiltern Ramblers.         
LFSC 29        Featured artists: The Spinners, Ted Fury, Noel Murphy, Dave and Toni Arthur, The West Country Three (Mike Blakeman, Patrick & Rosemary Small).        
LFSC 30        Featured artists: The Clutha, Charlie Bate, Shirley Austin, Sean and Jim Maguire, Alasdair Clayre.         
LFSC 31        Featured artists: The Taverners, Bob Cann, Don Partridge, The Leesiders. Originally broadcast as "Cellar Full Of Folk", November 7th, 1966. Sessions recorded at Cecil Sharp House, London. [Not in Genome]        
LFSC 32        Featured artists: The Birmingham Fo'c's'les (sic), Bob Rundle, Alec and Belle Stewart, The Wayfarers. Sessions recorded at Cecil Sharp House, London.         
LFSC 33        Featured artists: The High-Level Ranters, Ray Fisher, Derek Sarjeant.        
LFSC 34        Featured artists: The Tinkers, Jack and Margaret King, Terry Gould, Gerry Pugh.         
LFSC 35        Featured artists: The New Heritage Singers, Sue and Barbara, John Wright, Marion Gray and Pete Maynard.        
LFSC 36        Featured artists: The Strawberry Hill Boys, Felix Doran, Esme Lewis, Paul McNeill. Recorded at Cecil Sharp House, London. Originally broadcast as "Cellar full of folk" on November 7th, 1966. [Not in Genome]        
LFSC 37        Featured artists: The Yetties, Jim Small, Roy Guest, Isla Cameron, Martin Carthy.         
LFSC 38        Featured artists: The High-Level Ranters, Gordeanna McCulloch, The Four Folk, Tony Rose, Rhydderch and Ryan.         
LFSC 39        Featured artists: The Watersons, Sydney Carter, Tessa Clifford, Dave Swarbrick and Martin Carthy.        

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Subject: RE: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 02:05 PM

See:

https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20?adv=0&q=%22folk+song+cellar%22#search

but not all episodes are listed.

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Subject: London Folk Song Cellar - Final
From: GUEST,CJB
Date: 01 Sep 20 - 01:44 PM

London Folk Song Cellar.

We are near the end of a 40-year project to recover and restore recordings of London Folk Song Cellar from the 1960s. Many of our recordings have come from transcription discs. But we also have off-air recordings from New Zealand, USA, BFBS - Germany, Kuwait, etc., and Australia.

The LFSC was a fictitious folk club based in the Cellar Bar (and adjacent room Trefusis) at Cecil Sharp House. It was run by Peter Kennedy of the EFDSS. Recording sessions took place in blocks of 6 weeks at a time in 1966 and 1967, with a specially invited audience. The shows were designed to sound like typical coffee bar folk clubs of that era. Comperes were Robin Hall and Jimmie MacGregor.

There were 39 episodes in all, each 43 mins long. These were distributed around the world by BBC Transcription Services on acetate discs. We are still looking for episodes 28, 31 and 39.

The final files can be accessed from:

https://ulozto.net/hledej?q=lfsc - download for free.

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