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Phonograph to Folk Revival – My Project

GUEST,DrawingMusic957 02 Sep 20 - 07:24 AM
Steve Gardham 02 Sep 20 - 08:48 AM
GUEST,DrawingMusic957 02 Sep 20 - 11:01 AM
GUEST,Nick Dow 02 Sep 20 - 01:30 PM
GUEST,Nick Dow 02 Sep 20 - 07:31 PM
RTim 02 Sep 20 - 08:15 PM
RTim 02 Sep 20 - 08:17 PM
GUEST,Nick Dow 03 Sep 20 - 04:45 AM
Thomas Stern 03 Sep 20 - 08:23 PM
RTim 03 Sep 20 - 08:37 PM
RTim 03 Sep 20 - 09:37 PM
GUEST 03 Sep 20 - 09:53 PM
GUEST,Nick Dow 04 Sep 20 - 10:49 AM
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Subject: Phonograph to Folk Revival – My Project
From: GUEST,DrawingMusic957
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 07:24 AM

I just uploaded a project that I think this community will find interesting! I found lots of amazing field recordings of traditional music (including early phonograph recordings) and simply played excerpts of them alongside more popular versions that use the same tune. Some of the songs will be very familiar!

Here it is

Feel free to subscribe to my channel because there are more projects in the works!


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Subject: RE: Phonograph to Folk Revival – My Project
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 08:48 AM

More info, please. i.e., what are your sources? Sounds like a great project. Are you linking up to existing resources like Roud Index, Digital Tradition, Mustrad etc.?


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Subject: RE: Phonograph to Folk Revival – My Project
From: GUEST,DrawingMusic957
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 11:01 AM

The Roud/Child numbers of every song are on screen. I mostly discovered the field recordings by searching songs I liked on the Vaughan Williams Memorial Library database, then finding the field recordings listed on YouTube or the British Library sound archive.

In the video description, I mention that some of the pieces were included because the new versions are particularly famous, and others because they're personal favourites of mine.

Here's the video link again, in case anyone missed it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQL6N3cIGDM&t=65s


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Subject: RE: Phonograph to Folk Revival – My Project
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 01:30 PM

This is well worthwhile. More power to you.


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Subject: RE: Phonograph to Folk Revival – My Project
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 07:31 PM

I've spotted one mistake. Banks of Green Willow... David Clements was recorded by RVW. Gardiner also visited him but never used a phonograph to my knowledge. Great project keep it up. You are welcome to any of my field recordings, just copy them from the B.L. website.


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Subject: RE: Phonograph to Folk Revival – My Project
From: RTim
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 08:15 PM

Regarding recordings made in Hampshire from above.....It is one of the mysteries of those times..Who actually made those recordings? I know that RVW "corrected" the tunes from listening to these cylinder recordings - it says so in the EFDS Journal..BUT it is NOT clear who made them.
IMO - it was more likely to be Gardiner and/or one of his musical collaborators than RVW, as he did not seem to use them very much in his other "collections".
I would love to know the answer to this...but I think at present it is un-knowable...pure speculation.
I also know that Bob Askew believes it was Gardiner, et al......
I am not arguing with Nick (Hi mate...)...we just don't really know.

By the way - love the project...mixing old and new is right up my street.

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Phonograph to Folk Revival – My Project
From: RTim
Date: 02 Sep 20 - 08:17 PM

This page can only add to the discussion...

http://www.forest-tracks.co.uk/hampshirevoices/pages/cylinders.html

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Phonograph to Folk Revival – My Project
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 04:45 AM

Looks like the whole team for the Southern Songster book are present on this thread! Not a bad thing at all. I took my opinion on the Clements recording from Roy Palmer Bushes and Briars page 51, it doesn't mean Roy was correct of course. My immediate reaction is where are other recordings from Gardiner? It's just a balance of probabilities I suppose, because you could say the same about Sharp, to a lesser degree. It could be Gardiner felt, like Sharp that the phonograph 'hindered' the singers performance. I've collected songs with a pad and a biro from singers who refused to have anything to do with recording devices.


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Subject: RE: Phonograph to Folk Revival – My Project
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 08:23 PM

the cylinder sound files at the British Library do not play for
me. Are they restricted to UK ??
Thomas.


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Subject: RE: Phonograph to Folk Revival – My Project
From: RTim
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 08:37 PM

Thomas - you can listen to some of them on the EFDSS site as below:

https://www.vwml.org/search?q=Cylinders&is=1

Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Phonograph to Folk Revival – My Project
From: RTim
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 09:37 PM

It seems the British Lib. files are NOT working at present; don't know why.....but I did find this note on the Bans of Green Willow page..:
Of the Cylinder Recording:
This was not made in 1909, nor was it recorded by George Butterworth.

It was recorded in Basingstoke Workhouse in August 1906 by Charles Gamblin and George Gardiner. In 1909 Ralph Vaughan Williams transcribed the cylinder into musical notation, which the EFDSS published as being collected by him. It should, however, be ascribed to Gamblin and Gardiner. George Butterworth played no part in the collection, but he did use this version at the end of his Idyll: The Banks of Green Willow (from bar 139).
Posted by Phillip Brookes on 28/04/2018 04:37:00


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Subject: RE: Phonograph to Folk Revival – My Project
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 20 - 09:53 PM

Good job! Reminds me of the young guys who discovered Mississippi John Hurt and recorded him just before he died.


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Subject: RE: Phonograph to Folk Revival – My Project
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 04 Sep 20 - 10:49 AM

Quite independently I contacted The B.L. about the failure of the sound files to play and was told that there is a problem as follows....

Thank you for your enquiry.
There is a known issue with playing our sounds using Microsoft Edge and Chrome. If possible please try a different browser (e.g. Firefox, Safari).

Blooming nuisance.


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