Recent Updates Sussex Traditions database

Subject: Recent Updates Sussex Traditions databas
From: Vic Smith
Date: 24 Sep 20 - 10:01 AM

I am delighted to be able to let you know that a further 127 recordings by the traditional singers of Sussex have been added to the Sussex Traditions database. This brings the number of entries there to 5653.
The entries are listed there in the order in which they were uploaded with the most recent first.
Go to http://sussextraditions.org/collection/ and try using the search facility

Subject: RE: Recent Updates Sussex Traditions databas
From: Vic Smith
Date: 24 Sep 20 - 10:05 AM

NEW ADDITION TO THE DATABASE

The Young Coppers are the six grandchildren of Bob Copper. They are Ben, Lucy and Tom who are John Copper's children and Mark, Andy and Sean who are the sons of Jill Copper. The 16 songs that have been added were recorded at the folk club at the Royal Oak in Lewes on 5th July 2007.
The songs are:-

1] Adieu Sweet Lovely Nancy 2] Banks of Sweet Primeroses 3] Brisk and Bonny Lad 4] By The Green Grove 5] Charming Molly 6] Claudy Banks 7] Come All You Bold Britons 8] Cupid's Garden 9] Dame Durden 10] Rose of Allendale 11] Shepherd of the Downs 12] Spotted Cow 13] The Battle of Alma 14] The Fisherman 15] The Irish Girl 16] Thousands or More

Subject: RE: Recent Updates Sussex Traditions databas
From: Vic Smith
Date: 24 Sep 20 - 10:08 AM

NEW ADDITION TO THE DATABASE

When Bob Lewis recorded his fine album. "The Painful Plough" in 2003, seventeen songs were chosen, but there were many other examples of Bob's fine singing that Peter Collins recorded but were not included on the CD. Bob and Peter have given their permission for these 22 tracks to be included here.
The songs are:-

01 Capital Ship 02 The Cobbler 03 Come All Ye Worthy Christians
04 The Crocodile 05 Jim The Carter's Lad 06 Noble Lord 07 Poor Old Horse 08 The Shooting Gallery 09 Three Jolly Huntsmen 10 The Volunteer Organist 11] Young & Single Sailor 12 Three Jolly Huntsmen 13] Strolling Round The Town 14] Bold Reynolds 15] All Jolly Fellows 16] The Gypsy's Warning 17] Bailiff’s Daughter of Islington 18] Richard of Taunton Deane 19] Sprig of Thyme
20] Sweet Lemany 21] Threshing Machine 22] Twelth Night Carol

Subject: RE: Recent Updates Sussex Traditions databas
From: Vic Smith
Date: 24 Sep 20 - 10:13 AM

NEW ADDITION TO THE DATABASE
Sometime around 1990, the late Gordon Hall set himself the task of recording himself a great mass of his songs on five tapes and he gave them the title "Warts & Hall". 89 of these have now been made available on the Sussex Traditions database: -

01 Sweet Primeroses 02 It's Of A Pretty Wench 03 Jolly Waggoner 04 Drummer And Cook 05 Boney Was A Warrior
06 Maid Of Rye 07 Some Say 08 The Spinning Wheel
09 Bonny Labouring Boy 10 County Cavan 11 The Seeds Of Love 12 Jan Barleycorn 13 Caroline And Her Sailor
14 The Life Of A Shepherd 15 Far Away In The Wilds of Australia 16 Lavender Street Cry 17 The Merchant's Son And The Beggar Wench 18 Holmfirth Anthem 19 I'm Shy, Mary Ellen, I'm Shy 20 Smugglers Song 21 Oh Dear
22 Farmer Giles 23 Cecilia 24 Reynard 25 Arthur Le Bride
26 My Owd Wife 27 Just A Shaver 28 Babes In The Wood
29 I Loved A Fair Maid 30 Job And Lazarus 31 Devil And Farmer's Wife 32 Long George 33 The 21st Of June
34 Tarry Sailor 35 Week Before Easter 36 Joe The Marine
37 A Sailor From Dover 38 Good Ale 39 Barbara Allen
40 T'was On The Briny Ocean 41 The Death Of General Wolfe 42 Our Bugles Sang Truce 43 The Horsham Ram 44 Pace Egging 45 Pretty Polly Perkins 46 Martin Cant To His Man 47 Young And Single Sailor 48 Broomfield Hill 49 Trip Unto The Fair 50 Hire A Horse And Steal A Gig

58 Three Butchers 59 As I Roved Out 60 Studying Economy 61 Sunday School 62 Fathom The Bowl
63 Horsham Town 64 The Banks of Inverness 65 Ginny Geneva 66 Little Mike 67 Twenty Eighteen 68 Lock Abbey
69 Wild Rover 70 Talcahuana Girls 71 Black Eyed Sailor
72 Teddy O'Neill 73 Gemmima Brown 74 Lord Ranolph
75 The Farmer from Gloucester 76 John Lawrence
77 Mrs Lawrence's Lament 78 Horsham Ale
79 When I Was Single
80 Sussex Molecatcher 81 King And Keeper 82 Old Grey Noddle 83 Molly Malone 84 Navvy Boots 85 Trouble and Sorrow
86 Cupid's Garden 87 Hungry Army 88 Sam Hall 89 I Am A Rover 90 Gallant Poachers 91 Ballad of the Babes In The Wood 92 No Sir No 93 She Died For Love 94 Old Bob Copper 95 Pleasant and Delightful 96 Gallant Hussar

Subject: RE: Recent Updates Sussex Traditions databas
From: Vic Smith
Date: 24 Sep 20 - 10:37 AM

At the moment not all the recordings are accompanied by transcriptions of the lyrics and notation of the tunes. If you would like to become one of the volunteers involved in completing this huge task, please contact me by email

Subject: RE: Recent Updates Sussex Traditions databas
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 24 Sep 20 - 03:00 PM

I am delighted to see this stuff but I've found a problem. I have got to one Gordon Hall page with a few songs but if I then click on another page number I am taken back to the same page. This is the same with both Firefox and Chrome.

Subject: RE: Recent Updates Sussex Traditions databas
From: Vic Smith
Date: 24 Sep 20 - 03:26 PM

Richard,
I think that I see what the problem is.
I followed your link and quite rightly, you clicked on People and then typed in Gordon Hall which brought up our wonderful singer and all the references to him. However you can't see all the songs and articles about him because you still have People clicked and the way the search engine is programmed, it still thinks that is what you are searching for.
Try clicking on Records and search for Gordon Hall and you should be able to access the 330+ references to him on the database.
That works for me but please let know how you get on and if it doesn't work, I'll see that it is fixed.

Subject: RE: Recent Updates Sussex Traditions database
From: GUEST,CJB666
Date: 28 Sep 20 - 11:23 AM

Great historical photos of old Sussex. Wonder if Megs and H. would like to see them - hmm - likely not.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8781059/In-English-Country-Album.html

Subject: RE: Recent Updates Sussex Traditions database
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 29 Sep 20 - 10:32 AM

Hi Vic,
What a marvellous site! I'm just going through Gordon's wonderful material. Do you have any method for flagging up anything particularly unusual or rare?

Keep safe
Steve

Subject: RE: Recent Updates Sussex Traditions database
From: Vic Smith
Date: 29 Sep 20 - 11:31 AM

Steve,
From the home page at https://sussextraditions.org/ there is a link to News & Events and I try to remember to put up new additions to the database there. Of course little or no events at the moments and the news is likely to be additions to the database.
Recently uploaded are the individual pages of Michael Blann's manuscript song book which are likely to be of interest to you, but at the moment our search machine is having problems showing the individual pages (at least using Firefox as I do). I will let you know when this is sorted.
Otherwise the serendipitous use of the search engine always reveals some neglected gems which you might consider "unusual or rare".

Subject: RE: Recent Updates Sussex Traditions database
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 29 Sep 20 - 04:49 PM

Hi Vic
I seem to be able to access the Ms but I can only get the first page of entries. There seems to be an 11-page list but if I click on any of the other numbers it goes back to the first page list.

Subject: RE: Recent Updates Sussex Traditions database
From: r.padgett
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 04:04 AM

Just found the site ~ get back to check out later ~I hope

Ray

Subject: RE: Recent Updates Sussex Traditions database
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 01 Oct 20 - 05:16 PM

Thanks Vic for sorting that out for me.
There's a wonderful lot there to listen to.

Two anomalies:
Page 2 of the Gordon Hall results includes two songs from Mrs(?) Gates.
And the second song on page 3, "King and keeper" links to the same recording as the previous song, Sussex Molecatcher.

Subject: RE: Recent Updates Sussex Traditions database
From: Vic Smith
Date: 02 Oct 20 - 09:39 AM

Richard wrote:-
Page 2 of the Gordon Hall results includes two songs from Mrs(?) Gates.
Again, Richard, it's the way standard databases work. If you search for Gordon Hall the search will locate every reference to that name and the details of Mrs Gates include:-

    Roud number18910
    PerformerGates, Mrs. (?)
    Place Sussex, England
    Date1972
    Source Copy of Arthur Gates cassette via Gordon Hall
    Broad CategorySong
    FormatSound recording

If for example you were to search for my name there would be none of me performing but lots of articles that I have written or recordings that I have made of Sussex Traditional performers.

And the second song on page 3, "King and keeper" links to the same recording as the previous song, Sussex Molecatcher.

You are right and Gordon's habit of running one song into another - of which this is a good example - make him a cataloguer's nightmare. We cannot succssfully split the recording into two parts so we have had to give it more than one reference to enable those searching for a particular song to find either.

Subject: RE: Recent Updates Sussex Traditions database
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 03 Oct 20 - 05:08 AM

> Again, Richard, it's the way standard databases work.
I had failed to notice the option of advanced search and that the default is a full text search.

And thanks for further explanation of the Molecatcher song(s), but I'm still confused. It is much the same in the middle as the usual Molecatcher one, with some extra bits added at the beginning and the end. I can't make out a few words in the first bit, but I don't hear anything that sounds like "king" or "keeper".