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Subject: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: BobL
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 03:36 AM

Does anyone else have problems trying to access Mudcat using Microsoft Edge instead of Internet Explorer? Specifically, being sometimes unable to input to the reply box.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: DaveRo
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 03:56 AM

The new Chromium Edge? It has a swirly blue/green logo in the shape of a c. The old Edge has a blue e.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: Jos
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 04:19 AM

I find I have to click halfway down the reply box instead of the top. It's not a huge problem.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 04:23 AM

Version 85.0.564.68 (Official build) (32-bit) (Blue C logo)

No problems apparent here.

It is certainly faster. But I did a bit of checking with fancy characters and obscure ones like 7/8 and then they didn't display. But they do today. The difference is BT (notso) HotSpot compared to Ethernet pukka broadband. Which is curious in itself. BT don't support Edge for their TV service. But BT have some pretty take it or leave it policies. I left it!

characters - ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? - look OK now.

Maybe try updating the browser. How old it the computer? What broadband connection?
Best of luck


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 04:37 AM

AH! They display on the text box but not in the body of Mudcat. We had a thread on higher characters in Mudcat - blame Mudcat. I just tried it on Fakebook (Firefox) and it tells the truth - how rare is that!

¼ ½ ¾ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? display in preview (Firefox) - which may be controlled by the browser. Let us see which display in the body.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: Mr Red
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 04:41 AM

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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 07:55 AM

I have configured my PCs to keep Old Edge and have no problem with Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 12:55 PM

Sept 2020 updates of Firefox and Chrome on my Android 6.0.1 TV Box
have completely screwed a lot of internet browser functionality.
Even disabling common essential wireless mouse menu clicks.

I tried Edge, but that is just as hobbled;
same as several other alternative and lesser known mobile browsers
I risked trying..

Nothing works properly anymore.

Something seriously bad has been inflicted by latest Android browser technology updates...???


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 03:04 PM

Browsers? I've tried them all, but I usually trend back to Google Chrome. It still seems to be the fastest and most responsive.

But still, I have problems. Oftentimes, I have trouble getting links to respond when I click on them. I often have to reload pages to get the links to click. I bought a new Dell (Inspiron) computer with an 8th generation Core i5 microprocessor and 12 GB of RAM to replace my 8-yr-old Lenovo, and that didn't solve my sluggishness. And then I upgraded to the maximum 32 GB RAM, and it's still sluggish.

How can I get the crisp response I expect from a new computer?

Is there a browser with a particularly reliable, crisp response and link-clickability?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Oct 20 - 10:46 PM

There are browser extensions that can slow the process, as can your antivirus and malware apps, though those are essential. I've been using Firefox with the Facebook "container" that keeps FB from tracking everything. Some of the browsers will ask if you want to modify your extensions (MS used to do that a lot).

I suppose the first thing to do to speed things up, though, is to empty your cache periodically.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: DaveRo
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 02:48 AM

Joe: What do you mean by 'respond to links when I click on them'? Many webpages (not this one) react to a click by colouring the link, or bolding it, or giving some other visual feedback. Is there a delay before that happens? If so I'd suspect the mouse/driver/OS. If you navigate with the keyboard - Tab and Enter - is it just as slow to react?

If the browser detects the click but doesn't react, does it depend on whether the link is internal to the page - like the list of posters on this page - or goes to another site. If the latter I'd suspect the OS, your network, or your ISP (eg slow DNS).

Have you got some 'security' software running that checks whether sites are 'safe'? Try turning it off .

You could have malware slowing everything down, but if you had a similar problems with your old computer I look at what's not changed. The mouse? The ISP? Try Google DNS.

You mentioned you Chromebook the other day. Does it happen on that? If not, what's different - apart from the much lighter OS?

From your description I doubt if its the browser. Yes, some browsers are quicker than others - particularly on javescript-heavy sites like gmail (it's no surprise that Chrome is faster on its own sites) but the differences are not huge. When things are slow people blame the browser because it's what they're looking at. They install a new one and, hey, it's faster! But if they'd sorted out the old one - cleared the cache, got rid of tracking cookies, unused addons, whatever - it would have faster too. Eventually the new browser will slow down too. (Firefox has a reset feature which you might try.)

And what about BobL's original question. I was intrigued by Jos' reply? Is that Chromium Edge? Do others see that[


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: Mr Red
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 03:10 AM

Is there a browser with a particularly reliable, crisp response and link-clickability?

You should see a speed improvement when you first use the browser in a new computer. If the sluggishness doesn't appear to improve at that point, it is the way the pages use the internet. You only have to compare the speed of response my website with, say Fakebook, to see what is happening. My page has maybe 100 lines of code (& no cookies) that have to load. Fakebook has 180 JavaScript files to load, and that without Fakebook "apps". All of them are stuffed with junk screed to obfuscate and confuse analysis. Then those links you percieve as "<A HREF=" TAGs are probably dynamic script personalised to you.

All of which is backed-up by PHP or some proprietary language of Fakebook's parentage and that has to come down the internet in packages, and from multiple servers distributed across the world.

When I use a BT (notso) Hotspot for Fakebook it loads bits in order and one disruption can freeze the page, proving that there is a load of interdependence of the parts.

FWIW I have only used Edge for what3words.com, Mudcat, and my own pages for verification. And IE is relatively fast because mine clears cookies & history on exit.

I would blame it on ZOOM generally because that has ramped-up over a short time of COVID - whereas the beleaguered IT workers may be stuck at home a lot and not at the servers exchanging (techie) banter with their colleagues. And the equipment to improve the 'net takes time and money to install, which is in short supply.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: Jos
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 04:26 AM

To DaveRo

It's Microsoft Edge.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 04:30 AM

When things are working properly, I hover my mouse over a link and it changes from an arrow to a hand with a finger pointing, and I can click the link and it will work. But often, I'll hover over a link and the mouse pointer doesn't change, and I can't get a click from the link.
Usually if I reload the page with the icon at the top of the browser (or with F5), the link becomes clickable.

This has to be a very basic problem, but I haven't been able to come up with a solution.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: DaveRo
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 04:35 AM

Jos wrote: It's Microsoft Edge.
There are two Microsoft Edges:
https://www.howtogeek.com/659857/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-new-microsoft-edge-browser/
Different logos - see my earlier post.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: DaveRo
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 05:04 AM

Joe: so when this happens, you can't click the web page area (the 'content') but you can click the buttons of the browser (the 'chrome'*). Same with any browser?

*Chrome was the word Netscape used in the '90s to describe those parts of the display which was the browser's, not the website's. Like the frame of a picture. The saying "It's just chrome", meant it's not the important part of what you see. Google adopted Chrome as the name of their own browser, causing confusion to this day. (Paradoxically, because Chrome had very little chrome; I think it was a joke.) Firefox, derived from Netscape, still contains chrome - confusing younger users.

Chromium is the open source part of Google Chrome - the parts Google chooses to make available to all. Google Chrome is Chromium plus proprietary/secret bits - such as optimisations to Gmail which other browsers cannot use. Chromium Edge is Chromium plus Microsoft's ditto.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: Jos
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 06:41 AM

It's the "swirly blue/green logo in the shape of a c". It was put on my laptops by Microsoft a little while ago without consulting me first.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: DaveRo
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 07:12 AM

I'm posting this on Win 10 + Chromium Edge. I don't see what Jos sees. If I move the cursur downwards across the typing box it changes from an arrow to a vertical line exactly on the line, and I can click anywhere in the box.

It's also shows none of the symptoms Joe describes. This is a 12-year old desktop with a Pentium dual-core processor and 4GB memory. It takes for ever to load Windows 10, but once it does it's quite quick. No extra 'security' software, of course.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: Jos
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 07:46 AM

Well ... it's just fixed itself.
I don't get an arrow at all when I move the cursor across the reply box, but today, when I click anywhere in the box the little vertical line appears at the top left-hand corner, indicating that I can start typing.
Before, I had to click halfway down the box for the line to appear in the top left-hand corner. If that starts happening again I'll let you know.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: DaveRo
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 07:58 AM

Joe: I'm not sure of the sequence of events when you move the mouse over a link. Windows positions the cursor on the screen, but the application detects that's a lnk and tells Windows to change it to a hand. Windows then detects a click and passes that event to the application. It could be a delay in either Windows or the application, but if it happens in every browser I'd suspect Windows.

This page seems to suggest everything bar changing the processor, but I think some of the stuff about mouse drivers and options may be worth trying.

Fix Mouse Pointer lags or freezes in Windows 10

I know from past experience that makers of mice, trackpads, tackballs etc add all sorts of bells and whistles which can be changed in the device controls - and are often better just turned off.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 08:32 AM

I have both the "regular" new Microsoft Edge and the MS Edge Beta. They both work fine.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Oct 20 - 03:52 AM

But often, I'll hover over a link and the mouse pointer doesn't change, and I can't get a click from the link.

If that is caused by the browser &/or PC you have a serious bottleneck. On the face of it I would look to the innards of a page and some dynamic techie jiggery-pokey in combination with the speed/response of the broadband. But if that is general on any page it is most likely your system+browser.

One further correlation would be if the old PC behaved similarly to the new PC. That points to broadband. And the traffic locally.

Is the finger pointer response predictable or variable?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Oct 20 - 08:06 AM

But what changes to browser technology were imposed by the most recent firefox and chrome based variants updates,
that have buggered the functunality of my android 6 TV box...???


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: DaveRo
Date: 07 Oct 20 - 08:47 AM

TV remote needs a new battery, or is set to control another device?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Oct 20 - 10:35 AM

No, it's an fully enabled Android 6 device like a phone or tablet.
But without it's own screen.
It connects to a TV via HDMI.
Basically a convenient versatile low cost mini computer box for USB media playing and web surfing.

Sept 2020 browser updates have broken it's former fairly reliable capabilities
to play online videos,
and respond to mouse clicks to reveal context menus...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: DaveRo
Date: 07 Oct 20 - 11:29 AM

pfr: You said Firefox, Chrome, Edge, and ' several other alternative and lesser known mobile browsers' show the same symptoms.

Why do you think the problem is related to the browsers? It seems more likely to me (knowing nothing about Android TV) that it's the OS that broke all of them.

There must be a forum for this gubbins.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Oct 20 - 11:36 AM

My guess is the latest new browser technology is incompatible
with Android 6,
but was still allowed to install regardless.
Usually older Andriod versions will not permit install of newer generation apps...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: DaveRo
Date: 07 Oct 20 - 12:25 PM

My guess is the latest new browser technology is incompatible with Android 6
I don't think that's meaningful. Firefox for Android was updated recently for Android phones and tablets - it requires Android 5. The previous version (58.11) runs on Android 4 and I still use it on an Android 4 phone and an Android 7 tablet. You can still download the v58 - or any earlier - APK from Mozilla.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Oct 20 - 12:44 PM

Thanks, that's worth knowing.
The new firefox is horrible.
Previous versions of firefox [and chrome] was quite reliable, and mouse clicks worked as they should ...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: DaveRo
Date: 07 Oct 20 - 01:05 PM

Yes, the new Firefox for Android is unusable IMO. Also it doesn't run my add-ons - though I can run them in Nightly. I don't know why they rushed it out - something to do with Mozilla's dire financial position, I suspect: they've laid off hundreds of people. It only suits phones, at the moment, though bigger-screen changes are in progress.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: Jos
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 12:24 PM

It's playing up again today - when I click near the top of the reply box nothing happens - no little vertical line. But if I click halfway down the box the little line appears in the top left-hand corner and allows me to write.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: DaveRo
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 01:28 PM

Jos wrote: I don't get an arrow at all when I move the cursor across the reply box...
When your cursor moves into the reply box it should change to the I-shaped 'text select' cursor which you can see in the 4th image down on this page. Then when you click that should disappear and the blinking(?) | text-position cursor should appear on the end of any text already there.

Maybe you get a delay - similar to what Joe gets with links.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat / Edge incompatibility
From: Jos
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 02:09 PM

It's behaving itself at the moment. Next time it happens I'll wait, and see if it's a delay.


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