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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed From: GREEN WELLIES Date: 03 Dec 09 - 09:46 AM Tell me Lizzie, do you always have to use foul or obscene language when posting? Do you use it in everyday conversation when talking to people? I really do find it offensive, it is simply not necessary when describing people/events etc.
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 03 Dec 09 - 09:54 AM The Corporate Bastards are offensive, not the language used to descriibe them. Once, I never swore...but then, Show of Hands woke me up to one helluva lot of things that were happening, along with the f*cking Edukashon system...and my anger grew almost on a weekly basis... So now, where I once never swore, I will swear like a navvie, along with the best of 'em...and I tell you what, the whole bloody country should be out there on the streets swearing their heads off about the Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed that is happening all around us, because this bloody beautiful world belongs to our children and our children's children...and those Corporate Bastards, otherwise known as Cutthroats, Crooks & Conmen (also from Show of Hands, for the uninitiated) are ruining it! So stop being so damn prissy and try getting angry, because the scum who run our banking systems now OWN this world! Thank you. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed From: MikeL2 Date: 03 Dec 09 - 09:56 AM Hi As far as I can see the the only obscene thing here is the action by the RBOS and their selfish and ridiculous demands. That's obscenity !!!!!!!! Let them all resign and do us all a favour. Mike |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed From: GREEN WELLIES Date: 03 Dec 09 - 10:11 AM Oh Lizzie, I can assure you, I can and do get things done without getting angry or abusive. Infact I find that the more pleasant you are the more co-operation you get and the more you get done. You should give it a try, you'll find you dont get so wound up and upset. Call me prissy if you like but your inability to express yourself without resorting to obscene language, says far more about you than it does about me. Tell me do your children use the same sort of language if they cant get their own way, how proud you must be of them. Second thoughts, no dont bother telling me as I'm sure it will come with a string of filthy language. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed From: Acorn4 Date: 03 Dec 09 - 10:13 AM I consider Lizzie's language on this occasion very mild and restrained given the subject under discussion. We saw SOH up at Otley on the same bill as Steve Tilston who told this gem:- What is the collective noun for bankers? ans: a "wunch". |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 03 Dec 09 - 10:21 AM "Tell me do your children use the same sort of language if they cant get their own way, how proud you must be of them." Yup, I'm very proud of my children, immensely so. And nope, they don't swear, they don't drink, they don't drug...and they have the intelligence to know absolutely pratty postings when they read them. May I politely suggest that if you have nothing to say about Show of Hands, or their new CD, or the state of the world in general, that you either go down to the BS section and join in with your pals 'The Lizziebashers' or.....stick your head up your ar*e. Thank you. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed From: GREEN WELLIES Date: 03 Dec 09 - 11:32 AM Dave Roberts ........... I was quite prepared to comment on the CD and the music. However after reading the language contained within the first post, I felt I had to comment. It seams to me that this person is unable to post anything anywhere without a stream of foul language. She has the right to use that language - I have the right to tell her what I think of it. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed From: GUEST,Captain Jack Sparrow Date: 03 Dec 09 - 11:38 AM I can see just the one strong word, beginning with a b and ending with s. That is not a "stream of foul language", that is you over-reacting. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed From: theleveller Date: 03 Dec 09 - 11:43 AM "I have the right to tell her what I think of it." Yup and I have the right to tell you that you're talking a load of shite - presumably that's why you wear the wellies. Now, anything to say about the music or are you just out to cause trouble? |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed From: GREEN WELLIES Date: 03 Dec 09 - 11:47 AM Captain Jack,...........No I am not over-reacting. Its not just this thread - its every single thread this person posts to, and almost every posting that disagrees with her gets a barrage of bad language. Example, her reply to me, here. Totally uncalled for. This type of agression is unnecessary, there are millions of perfectly reasonable words in the English language with which to express yourself. If thats the best she can do to put her point across, then I feel sorry for her. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed From: Mick Woods Date: 03 Dec 09 - 11:56 AM Green Wellies - you are very green indeed if you think bastard is foul language! I would use real foul language to describe the leeches from RBS, who should have been put in prison for fraud instead of being given enormous handouts by their old mate GB. However I don't want to upset you. Mind you if you want to complain about foul language go and look on the digitrad database one example I can think of to look up would be Eskimo Nell - that should just about finish you off! :) |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed From: theleveller Date: 03 Dec 09 - 12:17 PM I remember, way back in the 1960s, when the character of Edmund in King Lear was being discussed in an English lesson, the English master commented that, in Shakespeare's time, illegitimate people were thought of as complete bastards. I think this applies in a lot of folk songs. Also in Shaw's St. Joan, Joan of Arc asks of the army commander, "Be you bastard?" Deleting all the words Green Wellies finds objectionable from English literature would to out-Bowdlerize Bowdler. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 03 Dec 09 - 12:24 PM "Captain Jack,...........No I am not over-reacting. Its not just this thread - its every single thread this person posts to, and almost every posting that disagrees with her gets a barrage of bad language. Example, her reply to me, here. Totally uncalled for. This type of agression is unnecessary, there are millions of perfectly reasonable words in the English language with which to express yourself. If thats the best she can do to put her point across, then I feel sorry for her." So far, every single word you've written has been abuse about me. And something else I don't have time for is Arrogance, Ignorance....and Weeds, so if you're so horribly offended by a few Olde English words, I'd suggest you get out of this thread, and collapse upon your chaiselongue, hand on head..... Of course, if you want to actually talk about Show of Hands, their new CD, their video of the title song, which was provided by Captain Jack, or anything else to do with Show of Hands, or the Corporate Bastards who are now ruling this world, beyond the reaches of any politicians, then please, stay, join in and feel welcome. But if not, then please....p*ss off and take your holier than thou attitude with you to the Land of the Lizziebashers down below in BS. Thank you, so much. And Captain Jack, thank you for providing that video....it's already on it's way to America. Great song! |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed From: SunrayFC Date: 03 Dec 09 - 12:33 PM Oh dear...methinks I had better leave now....mistakenly thought it was about SoH and/or AIG |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 03 Dec 09 - 01:03 PM It was...it IS. Just ignore the pratty bits, then sit down and watch the video link above, or listen to the radio show (also above) |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed From: Bonzo3legs Date: 03 Dec 09 - 02:02 PM Tell me Lizzie, do you always have to use foul or obscene language when posting? Do you use it in everyday conversation when talking to people? I really do find it offensive, it is simply not necessary when describing people/events etc. Offensive/offended are so overused are they not?? Makes the writer sound a complete idiot. Upset is a far better word if it's all the same to you. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 03 Dec 09 - 06:19 PM Cool, a Show of Hands thread both in the Music Section and in BS too. Great idea, Joe! ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Amergin Date: 03 Dec 09 - 06:22 PM Once you start cursing to stress your argument, you've already lost. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:03 PM So, you mean that those Corporate Bastards who want 1 1/2 billion pounds in bonuses, after WE have bailed them out of the biggest bank loss in history, are nothing more than Terribly Bad Chappies? F*ck that for A Game of Bankers! They are conniving crooks, who don't give a shite about anyone else but themselves! They don't give a shit about the people who've lost their jobs or their homes, and they never will. Sod the lot of them! |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Dave MacKenzie Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:07 PM The most abusive people I've come across are sweet and reasonable and never use foul language. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:10 PM Sorry, but this world is now beyond 'Oh, I say Old Chap, one really shouldn't be doing that, it's most awwwwfully the wrong thing to do! We are not talking about petty thieves here, we are talking about Corporate Thieves who own every part of this world, who have taken apart every ounce of the human psyche, worked out how to make money from us, and then put that psyche back together in the most profitable way imaginable... My ex-husband was 'forced' to take so called voluntary redundancy in the Royal Mail whilst one of the men who destroyed so many families paid himself £53,000 a WEEK, plus a bonus of a MILLION pounds! And his buddy was just as bad.... Wake up and smell the bloody Roses, mate, because the scent of blood is all over them...and it is OUR blood! A Rose by any other name has never smelt so stinking! And do you know HOW and WHY they've all got away with it???????? Because people have been so 'deliberately' dumbed down, and had so much stress poured upon them, been brainwashed into taking out a loan for this, and that, and thisthat and thatthis...that they can no longer even breathe the word SHITE! because they have no breath left in their broken souls! So, stick that in your 'lost the arguement already' locker and think on it, hard, because we are all going to hell on a handcart at the moment and we're going there because of well mannered apathy! Sod Apathy! |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:14 PM There's cold anger and there's hot anger. Cold anger can sometimes help you to keep your mind on what needs doing. Hot anger is liable to get in the way of doing it. Wastes energy you need to get the job done. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:19 PM Tits, fanny, cum, arse, wank, fuck, cock etc. Is this the sweary thread? I'll carry on tomorrow.. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bill D Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:20 PM SUCH a lot of energy is spent in righteous indignation....not to mention space in chat forums.... It seems that some folks would be bored without constantly being at the center of controversy and being a 'lightning rod' for complaints & insults. Others can be here for years and avoid it. Makes me wonder.... *shrug* |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: jacqui.c Date: 03 Dec 09 - 07:29 PM Others can be here for years and avoid it. And garner real respect from the majority of Mudcatters. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: GUEST,999 Date: 03 Dec 09 - 08:25 PM "User Name Thread Name Subject Posted [PM] GREEN WELLIES BS: A sense of humor (100* d) RE: BS: A sense of humor 02 Dec 09 And I thought my husband and my horse were the only things who could fart at will." You no doubt meant pass gas, right? |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Amos Date: 03 Dec 09 - 10:24 PM I've always thought AI&G would be a great name for a band. Who wants lead vocals? Who wants to represent Ignorance? A |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: theleveller Date: 04 Dec 09 - 03:52 AM Interestingly (or maybe not) Hunter, the green wellie company, went bust, and having recently been relaunched have based their success not on green wellies but on brightly coloured festival wellies. Well fuck me, there's a turn up for the books - haven't seen many of those disgusting hunt-loving murderers wearing them. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 04 Dec 09 - 04:13 AM And this morning is yet another F*cking Unbelievable Day, otherwise known as a FUD for those who are apparently so easily offended....because TODAY it has been let loose that those f*cking bankers (insert a 'w' if desired) have taken £890 BILLION from the tax payers!! Yes, EIGHT HUNDRED AND NINETY FUCKING BILLION POUNDS!!!!!!!! ?????????????????????? Now call me old fashioned, call me thick, call me whatever you bloody well want, but I find THAT *******DEEPLY******* OFFENSIVE, far more so than a few expletives which are there to emphasize the bloody deep severity of the crappy situation we are now living in! Sorry, but £890 BILLION pounds stolen from US, on top of all the jobs and homes lost, lives TORN apart because of the Corporate Bastard Fallout, does not elicit "Oh dearie me, how simply terrible, tut tut" from my lips! |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: theleveller Date: 04 Dec 09 - 04:28 AM Methinks there are those who post here not because of their objection to foul language but because they have a VESTED INTEREST in perpetuating this banking obscenity. Bring on the revolution (starting with banking practice)! |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bryn Pugh Date: 04 Dec 09 - 05:06 AM Deal me in, Leveller. Oh, and while I'm about it : Fuck. Shit. Bugger. Tit. C*nt. Wank. Fart. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Dec 09 - 05:28 AM Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers By Flanders and Swann Ma's out, Pa's out, Let's talk rude! Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers. Dance round the garden in the nude, Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers. Let's write rude words all down our street, Stick out our tongues at the people we meet, Let's have an intellectual treat for Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers. Sunday again on CBC, Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers. And Norman Mailer's coming to tea, Pee Po Belly Bum Pants! Alan Ginsberg reads on and on, But we're having a happening when he's gone, Come to the party in the John, Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers. Disney's planning a double bill, Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers. Christopher Robin meets Fanny Hill, Pooh Bear Belly Bum Drawers. On stage and screen we all work hard, Throwing toilet rolls in our own backyard, Who's afraid of the avent garde? Pee, Pee, Po, Po, Belly, Belly, Bum, Bum, Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers. What gets prizes and wins awards? Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers. What did prince Phillip tell the Lords? Well, never mind that. At Oxford and Cambridge, and Yale and all, At Berkely, they really have a ball, 'cos the higher the brow, the harder they fall, Pee Po Belly Bum Drawers. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: ToeRag Date: 04 Dec 09 - 06:21 AM It will be quite impossible; we should cer'tainly offend them,and it would be a pity to do that,for they are really verry nice people to know. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Dave the Gnome Date: 04 Dec 09 - 07:24 AM Young Banker he had such a handsome wage and all around his head the people did rage He had such a handsome bonus too Where my young Banker goes it stink's of ... Oh, hang on. Not foul enough :D (eG) |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Dave the Gnome Date: 04 Dec 09 - 07:30 AM Sorry. For those not in the know I should have referenced - Young Banker D |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: ToeRag Date: 04 Dec 09 - 07:35 AM I dare say it might be a very good speculation, provided it were undertaken by some person like yourself. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: MGM·Lion Date: 04 Dec 09 - 08:05 AM ,Oh, and while I'm about it : Fuck. Shit. Bugger. Tit. C*nt. Wank. Fart.' It may be recalled by some that I inadvertently made myself somewhat unpopuar & incurred quite a lot of abuse by using one of these words around here not long since: not the one which would be regarded as the most offensive here in UK, I think - the first one above; but the one so oddly rendered, with that strange little symbol in place of its vowel. It led to American ladies denouncing me as 'a bastard' and other such fragrant terms. So aren't all of you reading this of Bryn's going to be equally outraged at him, then, as you were at me? No such response has yet occurred. & if not, why not? Does that asterisk disguise what the locution is intended to be? And, if it doesn't, how does it render it less outrageous than my having so far forgotten my manners as to render it accurately as pronounced, instead of with this pathetic evasion? Let me stress, please, that I am not intending to be either provocative or unmannerly in putting these questions. I am genuinely curious as to how this exiguous disguise could in any way disinfect what was, I was told in no uncertain terms, both by the moderator of & several contributors to the forum, the absolute unacceptability of the term to American women. I ask purely for enlightenment. My puzzlement is considerable, & this thread appears to me the appropriate venue on which to seek enlightenment as to this, what I can only regard as, anomaly. Genuine answers only, please, to what is intended as a genuinely serious question. Thank you - Michael |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bryn Pugh Date: 04 Dec 09 - 08:14 AM To whom it might concern : Oh, DO be outraged, please ; or not, as the case might be. Do you honestly think I might give a fuck ? As I have said to my Secretary (male, by the way) before today : here is twenty pence, my Son - 'phone somebody who COULD give a fuck. I thought you might have had a thicker skin nor that, MtheGM. Obviously not. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 04 Dec 09 - 08:20 AM What, you mean "Cunt"? Not my favourite swear word, don't think I use it myself. But it doesn't distress me. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Dave the Gnome Date: 04 Dec 09 - 08:21 AM It's one of the few words that can be used as a noun, verb and adjective in the same sentence. The fucking fuckers fucked. If you wanted to include an adverb as well you could go for The fucking fuckers fucking fucked But that is a bit OTT. :D (eG) |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: ToeRag Date: 04 Dec 09 - 08:39 AM That is a slang expression for the bank of England. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: MGM·Lion Date: 04 Dec 09 - 08:43 AM Bryn: Can't for the life of me see what the thickness or otherwise of my skin has to do with what I stressed was a serious academic question, as to what difference that silly, stupid, cocksucking evasive disguise you fell back on is supposed to make. If you're such a big, bad, bloodyminded boyo who doesn't give a bloody bugger or a fucking fuck,, what did you fall back on that piddling pathetic pusillanimous prickteasing arsecreeping asterisk FOR then? -----BOYO!----- |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 04 Dec 09 - 08:45 AM Is this what it has all come down to. sad .... very sad biLL |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bryn Pugh Date: 04 Dec 09 - 08:50 AM When I had the privilege of serving Our Sovereign Ldy Elizabeth by the Grace of God Queen, Defender of the Faith, in HM Armed Forces (no - I aren't going to tell youse which Branch) - a member of the Platoon which I commanded said, of a particular piece of equipment : Fucking hell, Sir - the fucking fucker has been and gone and fucked itself. (this, by the way, proved true, on inspection). |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bryn Pugh Date: 04 Dec 09 - 08:52 AM MtheGm - if you feel like that, you may kiss my arse. I am more insulted by your "BOYO" than by any other expletive. Do you insult my heritage ? I hope not, for your sake. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: ToeRag Date: 04 Dec 09 - 08:55 AM I believe you you are right; as you said before, you found some diffieulty in expressing yourself. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: MGM·Lion Date: 04 Dec 09 - 09:03 AM Dear me, Bryn no offence intended. I withdraw the Boyo as soon as asked; tho utterly bewildered as to how it could be interpreted as insulting anyone's heritage. The epithets I applied to your pathetic evasiveness still stand, however - er - .....SIR PS your osculatory offer is politely declined with thanks. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bryn Pugh Date: 04 Dec 09 - 09:14 AM MthGM - the osculatory invitation is hereby withdrawn. I am Welsh ; I am a Cymro ; the noun "BOYO" can be taken as a deadly insult. I don't think you meant it as such. Eirene pasi ; pax vobiscum ; a Heddwch. Kind regards, Bryn |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Smedley Date: 04 Dec 09 - 09:27 AM Love that Flanders & Swann song. We used to chant the first two lines in my infant school playground, but I always thought it was a free-standing 'text', not a quotation from F&S. Is that 'the folk tradition' at work ??? |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Mrrzy Date: 04 Dec 09 - 10:24 AM Interestingly enough, righteous indignation is one of the basic face-signaled human emotions, with fear, disgust, and joy. Also, there is a difference between swearing *about* *something* and swearing *at* *someone* - Somehow, indignation about the first seems less righteous... |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Dave the Gnome Date: 04 Dec 09 - 10:44 AM Not a lot of people know that ancient anglo-saxon incantations hold a magic all of their own. Take an example - Trying to fit a door frame into a hole with slightly smaller dimensions than itself. Armed with lump hammer, crow bar and silicon lubricant (the equivalent of bell, book and candle) you will never hear a builder using the phrase 'Please get into that space in the masonry kindly wood based product'. Yet, use the incantation 'Get the fuck in the hole you fucking oversized twat. What kind of fucking dick-head made this piece of shit in the first fucking place', followed by liberal application of afore mentioned apparatus generaly results in a mystical trasformation of previously un-bound items into one functional orrafice to ease the pedestrian passage of humanoid life-forms from one area to another. Until the joiner comes to fit the door of course when the whole process begins again with saw, plane and screwdriver... :D (eG) |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: MGM·Lion Date: 04 Dec 09 - 11:29 AM I would genuinely appreciate an answer to an important question concerning the use of 'c*nt' [not by me], & how it differs from my previous use of the same word in undisguised form, which I posted this morning at 08-05 a.m. It is a question asked in true search of academic enlightenment as to the distinction. I name names here — KatLaughing & Ebbie, you both denounced me in exceedingly immoderate terms, casting doubt on my parentage, honesty and bona-fides, notwithstanding the fact that you were intervening in a dispute I was in the throes of at the time with one other particular individual in which you were in now way concerned. How can you justify not having reacted similarly in this present instance when the only differences are that the use of the epithet was this time entirely gratuitous & in no way provoked as in my case [by the use of 'turd' towards me by the other party, just to remind you]; and that it was most inadequately disguised by an asterisk replacing the central vowel? I am not asking for any sort of justification of your previous addresses to me, which are all in the past. But I do hope for enlightenment in the form of some academic explanation as to the differences between the two instances. My interest, I repeat, is purely academic. What difference, please, does the asterisk make? Is it not at least arguable that its use exacerbates, rather than moderates, the offensiveness of the word by drawing attention to its potential offensiveness? Like the man in Dickens: "I want to know, you know". Answers, please. This thread,, if anywhere, is the place for such. Michael |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bill D Date: 04 Dec 09 - 11:45 AM Well...I understand a few expletives when inanimate objects contrive to be excessively obstinate, and even when some animate object offends one deeply in 'real life', but... I am never sure when someone swears at length in print whether they are just proving they know some words, or whether they are worried that no one will believe they are serious unless 'fucking' is applied to all offensive nouns...and many verbs. Now... to respond directly to Michael's question: Specific words are viewed differently in differently in various contexts, and by different individuals. In some cultural contexts certain words have been used as insults so often that they engender an automatic resentment...no matter how they were intended. One can toss 'c**t' into some conversations and get several levels of reaction, from mild amusement to horrified offense to deep embarrassment. Why? Because people process language and the controversial parts of language differently! Wow...not very profound, is it? Sorry, but some truths just aren't terribly profound. Some people USE such words, some resent or are upset by them....some, (like me, for instance), reserve serious expletives for serious situations, and almost NEVER resort to them when I am unsure of the reaction. I find I can express my anger, displeasure, frustration, opinions...etc... without the use of modifying expletives 99% of the time, so when I DO use one, folks who know me take serious notice. (I am reminded of "The boy who cried "wolf") What to do in a forum like this? Posts here are not in simplistic categories that can be listed and ruled on...they fall on an infinite continuum, much like definitions of 'folk'..(or f**k). I have seen posts with NO expletives that offend me deeply, and posts with many expletives that actually say something, even though I would not have said it that way. How can we possibly make rules or edit this place in ANY way that will please everyone? Max has said many times that WE must learn to get along with each other, and he has only a few hard & fast rules about what is allowed...or specifically not allowed. He appointed a few folks he trusts to try to moderate the place as best they can, knowing that NO system or decision will please everyone. My personal suggestion? Take it easy! (Still not very profound or helpful? *shrug*) It's the best I can do... just count 10 or something before knowingly saying stuff you know will get complaints...and remember that the forum moderators are human, and their standards ...or even mood of the moment... may make them see your posts in a different spot on that continuum than you do... or than you meant them. *IF* you are edited or your thread closed, you'll usually be able to guess why, but don't expect Joe to debate every fine point with you! There's not enough time in the universe to explain all decisions. Oh....and try to have fun! We have been having fun here since Oct. of 1996, and doing moderately well at being fairly free while not allowing just everyone to say just anything. You are in a **PUBLIC** forum, read all over the world, by folk in many cultures.... do not assume YOUR standards are all that matter. (yeah, I know that's more than you wanted to read...I get carried away) |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bill D Date: 04 Dec 09 - 11:50 AM Michael...I did try to get an answer in, but I type with 2 fingers...you posted again while I was thinking. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: MGM·Lion Date: 04 Dec 09 - 12:00 PM Bill: Many thanks for your thoughtful & considered response, with which I in the main agree. But you will have gathered from my 2nd post, cross-posted with yours, that my initial question was most specifically addressed to those [whom I named 2nd time around] who had most vociferously and abusively objected to my [I still maintain] much provoked expletive on that previous occasion, but had most singularly failed to react to this more recent entirely gratuitous one -- in which, I reiterate, I can't see that the '*' will have done anything but make matters worse for reasons I expounded last time. Best regards - Michael |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bill D Date: 04 Dec 09 - 12:14 PM Ok... I hope there might be other attempts to respond seriously... I know those you mentioned, and I know that they are honest and decent folks who DO care.... *further, deponent sayeth not* |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Folkiedave Date: 04 Dec 09 - 12:16 PM Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: David el Gnomo - PM Date: 04 Dec 09 - 10:44 AM Not a lot of people know that ancient anglo-saxon incantations hold a magic all of their own............................ Very funny!! I shall use the knowledge of incantations in the future. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: MGM·Lion Date: 04 Dec 09 - 12:19 PM Indeed, Bill, I know they are too. They are people for whom I have every respect. I have exchanged views with them on other matters since the falling-out and have no wish to return to any situation of hostility or resentment. I am, as you have appreciated, just simply interested in how & why they view a difference and a distinction in the two situations. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: GUEST,mg Date: 04 Dec 09 - 01:47 PM regarding the asterick..there are words in society that polite or even decent people prefer not to use and sometimes the asterick c? is more polite and shows an attempt to be civil or the person is using a word in a historical context that would not be used in polite society and wishes to show that he or she does not want to offend. I think it is a nice compromise in some situations. mg |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: MGM·Lion Date: 04 Dec 09 - 02:01 PM But that, mg, tho a valid point, was not the case in the post of 0506 a.m where it was one of a series of gratuitously used words listed to illustrate the point of this thread [fair enuff, I am not objecting to that in any way, Bryn]; but was the only one not given in full. I still wonder - oh, see my above posts, I can't go into what I wonder all over again — those to whom this is mainly addressed will have got the point by now... |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: ToeRag Date: 04 Dec 09 - 02:20 PM You are fortunate in being able to turn your attention to more genial pursuits. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: MGM·Lion Date: 04 Dec 09 - 02:23 PM Sorry, ToeRag — is that addressed to me? If so, what is your point? |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Smedley Date: 04 Dec 09 - 02:24 PM Who, these days, is delusional enough to think anyone lives in 'polite society' ?? |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Dave the Gnome Date: 04 Dec 09 - 02:37 PM BTW - Anyone live in Ireland or Scotland where 'fuck' appears to part of everyday language? DeG |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bill D Date: 04 Dec 09 - 05:19 PM Ireland or Scotland? How about Australia": repost from 10 years ago: JUST remembered a joke I heard years ago...told by a guy with an impeccable Aussie accent...try to imagine.... "Oh, I 'ad a fine time last Saturday..it was a fuckin' beautiful day, so I got in my fuckin' car and went for a nice fuckin' drive...till I came to this fuckin' park, and decided to get out and take a fuckin' walk. Well, I walked about a fuckin' mile and here was this fuckin' lovely lass walkin' just ahead of me..I gave her a fuckin' cheery greetin' and we hit it off right away. So we walked on down the fuckin' lane till various things in our fuckin' conversation made me quite fuckin' aware that we were fuckin' interested in the same fuckin' thing....so I looked at her...she looked at me...and we fuckin' smiled and went over a fuckin' fence and behind a fuckin' tree where no one could fuckin' see us......and had sexual intercourse!" |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: ToeRag Date: 04 Dec 09 - 06:05 PM And then, when the ladies have left the room, you will be able to talk politics with the old gentleman; |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Donuel Date: 05 Dec 09 - 06:07 PM One may choose to use adult language which includes the sacred and the profane. Or one may choose to excise certain words, expressions and euphemisms from the full breadth of language. It is your choice, but god damn it to hell I'll fight you to a bloody pulp if you want to take my words away or criminalize the use of language to fit your model of religious civility. It took 4 generations of comics to bring thier case before the Supreme Court to have the personal free use of language we have today. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 05 Dec 09 - 06:18 PM This might be the point that I express my personal preference for somewhat effete/feminine men.. True actually :) |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Joe_F Date: 05 Dec 09 - 06:33 PM David el Gnomo: It actually occurs 3 times in a row in (obSongs) a version of "The Tinker": The time he fucked the butler, 'twas such a fucking farce, For the heat of the fucking fucking fucking decomposed his arse. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: dick greenhaus Date: 06 Dec 09 - 12:17 AM Stylistically, of course, foul language is something like habernero peppers---best used judiciously, and with restraint for maximum effect. Overuse begets numbness. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 06 Dec 09 - 12:30 PM Strange that now this thread actually *is* about foul language, the person who complained loudest and longest in the Show of Hands thread, (whilst not uttering a single word about them, or their music) hasn't said a single word. Hmmmmmmmmm..... :0) |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 06 Dec 09 - 01:00 PM "ENDS Within the broader music industry, and beyond, what some get for their hour's work, compared with others, is ridiculous and inhumane; hence, many relatively competent musicians within the folk-scene are really struggling to make ends meet; so, if we like fair competition, we don't like capitalism. A better way, as I've suggested in verse, is to accept that humans are competitive, and have strong regulations (partly via nationalisation) to make that competition as fair as possible – whilst also providing 'safety-net' support" (from here). |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Ebbie Date: 06 Dec 09 - 01:23 PM The reason I haven't responded to the posts in this thread is that I haven't been here. Michael, I'll try to explain my reasoning. When someone uses a word or phrase in the heat of the moment it seems to me to reveal a mindset that dwells secretly in that place, whether it's misogynist, criminal, violent or whatever. The *academic* use of that same word or phrase, however, is very different to my mind. When George Carlin, for instance, listed the 7 words one can't say on television I was not offended in any sense. The same way with Bryn at 5:06am- that person was making a point. Probably in support of the right to say those words in the heat of the moment, but no matter: they were said coolly. Twat. Cunt. The little wife. My bitter half. Those, and a half dozen others, are generally used demeaningly. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 06 Dec 09 - 01:57 PM Blimey, people can swear *academically* ? |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Ebbie Date: 06 Dec 09 - 02:10 PM Don't be cute, you little woman. :) |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Joe_F Date: 06 Dec 09 - 06:24 PM I must have wonderful taste in Mudcat threads. I have read this forum for many years, and tho I have seen a good many complaints about rudeness, I have never stumbled on the actual threads in which it occurred. On the contrary, the sentiment I see most often (especially among newcomers) is astonishment at how quickly & courteously queries are answered. As St Augustine (I think it was) said, a palace must have a cesspool or the whole palace will stink. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 06 Dec 09 - 07:34 PM Ah, but sometimes, the ripples from the cesspool touch the palace in a way it never expected, bringing a golden refelction to its white walls, making it stand out amongst the endless 'white' internet palaces. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bill D Date: 06 Dec 09 - 08:48 PM In every 'palace', there are those with either bad aim or a lack of concern about what they spread...and where.. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: MGM·Lion Date: 07 Dec 09 - 12:57 AM Ebbie - thank you for responding, & so logically and rationally. As was pointed out to me at the time, by Joe O in a PM, that particular word is far more offensive to American womanhood as a sexual belittler, as you state, than it is over here in England, where it is a much more vanilla word, I should estimate, than the F one which is so cheerfully bandied about on this forum. A cultural difference, in fact, of which I wasn't aware - & remember that Sweeney & I who were the ones at odds at the time were here, not there. I think I can genuinely assure you that no suppressed anti-woman thoughts were, even sub- or un-consciously passing thru my mind as I used the term [which was, you will recall, a rejoinder to being denounced as a 'turd', which is at least as offensive a term over here]. I do not rake up these old & now defunct and reconciled controversies in any spirit of renewed hostility or in order to revive them in any way; but to explain my use of this word, which I used in unawareness of how offensive it would be to you & Kat and others, about which I have now learned better & certainly shan't use it on here in such a fashion again now that I am better informed. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bryn Pugh Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:34 AM I think I have posted previously that I abominate the word 'cunt' and never use it, even in anger. Hence my use of the asterisk in a previous post, which seems to have raised more heat (so to speak) than had I put it in its unexpurgated form, as above. Michael - please don't read the foregoing as my having a pop at you. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: theleveller Date: 07 Dec 09 - 06:50 AM "When someone uses a word or phrase in the heat of the moment it seems to me to reveal a mindset that dwells secretly in that place, whether it's misogynist, criminal, violent or whatever." Oh please, spare us the cod psychology. To imply that anyone who uses expletives has some sort of personality disorder is grossly offensive to those like me who find them a perfectly acceptable adjunct to everyday speech, in the heat or the moment or otherwise. And no, I am none of the things you mention. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: MGM·Lion Date: 07 Dec 09 - 08:08 AM Bryn: I did not take it so - but many thanks for the disclaimer. Michael |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: GUEST,bankley Date: 07 Dec 09 - 11:49 AM it's not so much the words as what's behind them Lenny Bruce, George Carlin and Richard Prior pushed back at the boundaries, sometimes got arrested, and made a lot of people laugh... one last 4 letter word common to all of them... and eventually to all of us.... 'DEAD' |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bill D Date: 07 Dec 09 - 12:59 PM It can be very helpful to know which words are commonly deemed 'offensive' in various cultures & countries.....remember, in the US, 'fanny' is almost neutral, referring, for most people, only to the gluteus maximus,...as in where one spanks a child (if one does at all).... butt, bottom, posterior...etc. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Ebbie Date: 07 Dec 09 - 03:15 PM "cod psychology"? I have no idea on that one. My perception is based on my own observation. But the point flew right on by you. Right? :) Michael, I understand better now. Thank you. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 07 Dec 09 - 03:49 PM Ebbie, from observation it seems to me that Americans are generally less liberal with sweary words than British people are - and indeed you opt for more formal politenesses with strangers than British people find customary. I can't speak for other British or English women as I've always been a bit of a rebel (hehe! yeah right) but for my own part (unless being sworn *at* in an actively aggressive fashion) I take sweary words quite lightly. I swear casually myself too, though I'm not a big 'cunt' fan either TBH (and I'd disagree with MtheGM that it's equal in stregth to 'Turd', which one would use in most company!), it's not something that distresses me. Otherwise, I think there is a 'cultural divide' going on here. One which the American community appear to be having increasing difficulty with. For my own part, I feel that Max's (however "displeased" he states he currently is with his experiment) 'anarchy' is fulfilling itself in a fairly good way. Individuals are free here to express themselves without being *too* oppressed. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: theleveller Date: 07 Dec 09 - 03:53 PM "My perception is based on my own observation." You must mix with some very odd people, then. Or perhaps, like a drunk with a lamp post, you are using your observations more for support than illumination. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Ebbie Date: 07 Dec 09 - 03:57 PM That is as may be, Crow Sister, but I would ask- when a man is upset with another man, why he doesn't use words that are male oriented? My take on it is that the man thinks of women as being weaker in both the physical and the political sense, less brainy, more pms-y, not-quite-as-valuable as men. I am genuinely curious. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 07 Dec 09 - 04:12 PM Ebbie - my take on that would have much more to do with Western *cultural* taboo of (feminine) genital swear words, than gender based equivalent taboos. As a *very* amateur assessment I'd suggest that female sexuality and sexual parts have been historically repressed and treated as being more 'sensitive' than male. I suspect that could have much to do with the de-sexualisation (aka: dis-empowering?!) of women culturally and historically: In African story & myth for example female genitalia & sexuality is treated more err 'creatively' This perversely or ironically rendering those taboo words referencing female sexuality or sexual organs more *potent* than male ones! |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Ebbie Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:49 PM Hmmmmm |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: akenaton Date: 07 Dec 09 - 05:58 PM They are only words Ebbie, tho' like you I have often wondered at men who use the words for female genitalia as terms of abuse. I'm a builder and at work hear foul language all the time and truly, it is "only words" Men do often use dick , prick, or ballbag to describe others who they perceive to have done or said something stupid. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bryn Pugh Date: 08 Dec 09 - 05:33 AM For those who have said, or done, something stupid, I reckon "arsehole" takes some beating. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Smedley Date: 08 Dec 09 - 05:46 AM It isn't very common, but in my circle the term 'wankstain' is very useful as a withering put-down. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Backwoodsman Date: 08 Dec 09 - 06:56 AM 'Spunk-Bubble' serves well in that way too. ('Spunk' used in its UK-sense, not in its US-meaning). |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Smedley Date: 08 Dec 09 - 07:03 AM Spooky - my lot uses that one too. Do we know each other????? |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: theleveller Date: 08 Dec 09 - 07:42 AM I have a friend who, when someone has made a cock-up, says: "Well, you made a total barn's arse of that – it's a complete bugger's muddle". |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge Date: 08 Dec 09 - 09:40 AM I `ad that Lizzie Cornish in my cab the other day. She was cursing and carrying on alarming about about some blokes in the City `oo `ad made a bob or two on investments. I said, "What`s up Liz?. `Sounds like you aint got much time for them mechant bankers". She said, " Nor `ave I, Jim. The Tossers. All sitting round there , smarmy like, pocketting the filthy lucre like its going out of fashion". I said, "But Liz. If it wasn`t for all them chancing their arm on ventures, we may never `ave `ad things like telephones, cheap `olidays, bikes, denims, musical instruments and all the rest of it. And us all buying the stuff. Where would we be then?" She said, "Yeah. I `spose so Jim. I `adn`t thought of that!!" Whaddam I like??. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Smedley Date: 08 Dec 09 - 11:58 AM Is that a preview of the next episode of The Archers ?? |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: MGM·Lion Date: 08 Dec 09 - 12:58 PM We do not know, Mr James the Well-Informed; so please do tell us — what ARE you like? |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Dave the Gnome Date: 08 Dec 09 - 01:15 PM And in the spirit of the thread... Change hands! |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: MGM·Lion Date: 08 Dec 09 - 01:34 PM Oh poo — I thought one of the Usuals would have posted fucking 100 as the previous post! |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: akenaton Date: 08 Dec 09 - 02:44 PM Jim's the funniest guy on Mudcat! |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 08 Dec 09 - 05:57 PM >>>I `ad that Lizzie Cornish in my cab the other day. She was cursing and carrying on alarming about about some blokes in the City `oo `ad made a bob or two on investments. I said, "What`s up Liz?. `Sounds like you aint got much time for them mechant bankers". She said, " Nor `ave I, Jim. The Tossers. All sitting round there , smarmy like, pocketting the filthy lucre like its going out of fashion". I said, "But Liz. If it wasn`t for all them chancing their arm on ventures, we may never `ave `ad things like telephones, cheap `olidays, bikes, denims, musical instruments and all the rest of it. And us all buying the stuff. Where would we be then?" She said, "Yeah. I `spose so Jim. I `adn`t thought of that!!" Whaddam I like??.<<< Well, first of all Jim, you 'ave an orful lotta peeple in your cab! :0).....and I wasn't bloomin' complaining about the bankers that day, but about bleedin' taxi drivers who drive you 'arf way round London, when you just want to go round the effin' corner...and then, they charge you a WankaBanka's Bonus for doin' it! 'Cor Blimey, what are they like, eh? ;0) |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Dec 09 - 05:37 AM ===I'm not a big 'cunt' fan either TBH (and I'd disagree with MtheGM that it's equal in stregth to 'Turd', which one would use in most company!), it's not something that distresses me.=== Obviously room for differences of taste & opinion here, Crow Sister. Speaking for my own part, it's perhaps just that I hate the smell of turd but quite like the female-pudendum scent, which can act on me aphrodisiacially to the utmost - as I believe Nature to have intended... |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies) Date: 09 Dec 09 - 05:54 AM No doubt MtheGM! Though as to 'cunt' (the word rather than female part, naturally scented or otherwise) I much prefer the more affectionate sounding 'cunny'. Which, as I observed on another thread, fittingly perhaps rhymes with honey: to which BillD responded with this ditty. Considering your prior sentiments, you will no doubt approve. My Mistress' Cunny D'Urfey's Pills to Purge Melancholy, 1719 My mistress is a hive of bees In yonder flowery Garden: To her they come with loaden thighs, To ease them of their burden. As under the bee-hive lieth the wax, And under the wax is honey, So under her waist her belly is placed - And under that, her cunny. My mistress is a mine of gold, Would that it were her pleasure To let me dig within her mould And roll among her treasure! As under the moss the mould doth lye, And under the mould is mony, So under her waist her belly is placed - And under that, her cunny. My mistress is a morn in May, Which drops of dew down stilleth: Where'er she goes to sport and play, The dew down sweetly trilleth. As under the sun the mist doth lye, So under the mist it is sunny, So under her waist her belly is placed - And under that, her cunny. My mistress is a pleasant spring, That yieldeth store of water sweet, That doth refresh each wither'd thing Lies trodden under feet. Her belly is both white and soft, And downy as any bunny, That many gallants wish full oft To play but with her cunny. My mistress hath the magick sprays, Of late she takes such wondrous pain That she can pleasing spirits raise, And also lay them down again. Such power hath my tripping doe, My pretty little bunny, That many would their lives forego, To play but with her cunny. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Dec 09 - 06:10 AM Crow Sister - thank you so much for that: entirely charming - 'Pleasant&Delightful, in fact. And thank you for appreciating my point so well - er - My Honey! Michael xxxx |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: GUEST,ruth sans cookie Date: 09 Dec 09 - 10:54 AM I'm sure I posted this earlier... cunny: relasted to coney, which is another word for rabbit? And hares were often called puss, or pussy. So maybe the two are related terms for the "lady garden", as it were... |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bill D Date: 09 Dec 09 - 01:29 PM ".. to which BillD responded with this ditty" ...and it sounds SO sweet to the tune Eric Darling and Ed McCurdy used. When I sang it, I think it took some folks 2 verses before it hit them what they were hearing. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Stringsinger Date: 09 Dec 09 - 08:26 PM One of the most important gifts we have as speakers is that we can communicate. A wide use of any language is often the best way to do this. Cursing or swearing with imagination can sometimes be effective. Often, though, it's boring because of the repetitive use of certain words which are really not taboo any longer. Even the youngest kid has heard them and can often repeat them. A limited use of vocabulary makes communication less effective. In Holland, they've economized on curse words. There's one that seems to cover everything (appropriate when you hit your thumb with a hammer driving in a nail). I think it sounds something like "Khlutsuch". It has a guttural back-of-the-throat sound to it. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Neil D Date: 10 Dec 09 - 03:56 AM Damn. I thought this was going to be a thread about Tiger Woods. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: GUEST,Elspeth Hart Date: 14 Dec 09 - 05:23 PM You probably don't care...but swearing has been proved to have anesthetic and soothing qualities =) Women who swear during childbirth generally need meds. People who swear a lot about something that makes them angry also get over their anger quicker and then think calmly...whereas those who keep it inside keep it bubbling unhealthily... just thought that um...scientific...thought on the matter might...or might not, interest you. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: GUEST,Elspeth Hart Date: 14 Dec 09 - 05:38 PM Re: Hunter Green Wellies yes...they based their success on these new brightly coloured wellies (that are most funky =) )...but some of us actually _need_ wellies and Hunter used to produce high quality ones using a unique method for extra water tightness _and_ all production was in the UK...They now charge the same prices but have moved production to...China I think...and they fall apart really quickly because they make them the same way as all the others and they're CRAP. Slightly irrelevant, I know, but really, I hate when this sort of a thing happens. Are we _trying_ to give all our industry away? And what happened to quality not quantity? And making a living instead being rich bastards? (hail tesco on that one =O ) |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Folkiedave Date: 14 Dec 09 - 06:48 PM People who swear a lot about something that makes them angry also get over their anger quicker and then think calmly...whereas those who keep it inside keep it bubbling unhealthily...just thought that um...scientific...thought on the matter might...or might not, interest you. You know, I am sure that is why Lizzie Cornish 1 rants like an idiot and then forgets what she has said (or contradicts herself) within the space of a few days. Can I recommend you look at some of her past threads. Loads of examples scattered all over the Mudcat threads on all sorts of subjects. That would give you a lot of evidence to support that theory. Thanks for the explanation....err..Elspeth, - that has been a real revelation! |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: theleveller Date: 15 Dec 09 - 03:31 AM "People who swear a lot about something that makes them angry also get over their anger quicker and then think calmly...whereas those who keep it inside keep it bubbling unhealthily...just thought that um...scientific...thought on the matter might...or might not, interest you." Well, it seems to have some basis in truth. swearing boosts morale "all production was in the UK..." Yes but, unfortunately, Hunter went bankrupt. I must admit that I've worn Hunter wellies for years (always bought the 'seconds' from the local tack shop) and I still use a pair that I bought ages ago. I can't comment on the new ones but it would seem that making them in the UK wasn't a viable proposition for whatever reason. I once approached them about ideas for their marketing, which was dire, but they weren't interested - in fact, they were quite rude and arrogant. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 15 Dec 09 - 04:35 AM From Folkiedave: "You know, I am sure that is why Lizzie Cornish 1 rants like an idiot and then forgets what she has said (or contradicts herself) within the space of a few days. Can I recommend you look at some of her past threads. Loads of examples scattered all over the Mudcat threads on all sorts of subjects. That would give you a lot of evidence to support that theory." Good to see you're sticking to Joe's advice and not saying anything personal. Thank you so much.... Is there a swear word for obsessive little terds, does anyone know? And now, back to swearing.... |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Folkiedave Date: 15 Dec 09 - 07:14 AM I was referring to the post that Elspeth Hart had made. Do you know her? I think we should be told. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: GUEST,Elspeth Hart Date: 15 Dec 09 - 01:39 PM I just wanted to add that my comment about people who swear wasn't person specific just an observation... |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: GUEST,Elspeth Hart Date: 15 Dec 09 - 01:44 PM "..in fact they were quite rude and arrogant." if that was their attitude it seems like it was their own fault then! |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Folkiedave Date: 15 Dec 09 - 02:24 PM Hi Elspeth. Just wondering if you knew Lizzie. Your writing style is so much like hers. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: GUEST,Elspeth Hart Date: 15 Dec 09 - 04:31 PM hi Folkiedave =) no I don't know Lizzie, I stumbled on this page by accident and it seemed interesting enough. I don't think I know anyone here. Also not entirely sure what to make of the comment "your writing style is so much like hers" because there's so much bad feeling being bounced around in here. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Folkiedave Date: 15 Dec 09 - 04:54 PM Also not entirely sure what to make of the comment "your writing style is so much like hers" Well Elspeth what I meant by "your writing style is very much like hers", is that I feel your writing style is very much like hers. Not especially in this thread. And I wouldn't know about any ill-feeling in this thread, I've only just started contributing to it. I look forward to your contributions on other threads. Why not become a member? I am sure your contributions will be valued. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 15 Dec 09 - 05:39 PM Apologies, Elspeth, but I have my very own internet stalker. Just ignore him. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Tim Leaning Date: 15 Dec 09 - 06:11 PM I got thrown off the Cod psychology course. Left me feeling a little battered. I am now now trying to master the art of the Hake. Its some sort of Japanese poetry I think. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: fundi3891 Date: 15 Dec 09 - 06:24 PM An humanitarian issue Is devoid of humanity In much the same way as Pitches are hired. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: GUEST,Margaret Date: 29 Nov 13 - 01:13 PM I'm coming late to the fair, and haven't struggled thru the whole thread, but thought this question "I would genuinely appreciate an answer to an important question concerning the use of 'c*nt' [not by me], & how it differs from my previous use of the same word in undisguised form, which I posted this morning at 08-05 a.m. It is a question asked in true search of academic enlightenment as to the distinction. " ...deserves a fair answer: Writing a presumptively offensive word such as "n*gg*r" or "c*nt" with asterisks or other punctuation in place of vowels shows that the writer is aware that it's a word that can give offence and is disclaiming any such intention. Using the canonical spelling leaves the writer open to the presumption that he (most often he) is, at minimum, an inadequately-socialised pillock. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: GUEST,musket Date: 29 Nov 13 - 01:20 PM I've always liked Show of Hands. Mind you, that particular album is rather ranting and political. I thought The Arizona Smoke Review had grown up at first but this album puts an angle to their act they don't need as it polarises opinion, which commercially they don't need. At least that's my view. And I'm just a soft cunt. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Ebbie Date: 29 Nov 13 - 03:39 PM :) |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 29 Nov 13 - 05:40 PM Well, Margaret, first off, I think your presumptive comment that most people who swear are men, is, to say the least... Secondly, the term, 'canonical spelling' frightened the shit out of,I can tell you...because it's one of those things wot only The Academics know about in the first place, 'cos we un-edukated, inadequately-socialized pillock peasants wouldn't know what a canonical spelling was in the first place, if we f*cking, fell....oh, sorry, I do beg your pardon, if we fucking well fell over it in the first place... I don't consider racist words to be swearing by the way, purely fuckingly racist... Swear words are great...and 4 years down the line from the start of this thread, I'm using them more than EVER before....I even used 'Fucking!' in the council offices of Torquay the other day, when telling them I wouldn't pay my fucking council tax, because it was fucking IMMORAL due to me being a Carer on a very low income who saves this country fucking £loadsa money every year... And, I told them that if they were more offended by the fact I'd said 'Fucking' to them, rather than the fact that many of their fellow humans couldn't even afford to feed themselves any longer, whilst they colluded in complicit evil, enabling The Fecking Sociopaths in charge to do what they were doing, including to the ill, elderly lady I'd just spoken to in their waiting room, whose benefits had been cut, as in STOPPED, six months back, leaving her only on the minimum Income Support and the generosity of family and friends..they should probably examine their souls! Viva Swearing! Viva La Revolucion! Fuck The Tories... Fuck The Bankers........ Fuck the Arrogance, the Ignorance AND the Greed! |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Greg F. Date: 29 Nov 13 - 05:46 PM Arrogance, Ignorance, Greed & Foul Language. That's our Liz, all right! The epitome of all four! |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bill D Date: 29 Nov 13 - 08:18 PM Good golly, my gracious, gee whillikers! Or as my Daddy used to say: "Got dandruff and some of it itches!" (say it out loud) I was quite surprised to see this thread again... but SO enjoyed revisiting my own witty, erudite and relevant batch of fuckin' bullshit....OOOPS! *blush* Perhaps we should insist that no one contribute who had not read the whole thing? ☺ |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Ebbie Date: 29 Nov 13 - 10:09 PM I read it all, Bill- so here goes: I am of a generation/at a stage/brought up to think that foul language is rarely appropriate. Not so long ago at all, men did not use such language in front of women. Nowadays it is the WOMEN who use it most unblushingly. At this rate a few years from now we are going to have hordes of wrinkly and tattooed crones with filthy mouths on our streets, in our families and in nursing homes. Arrogance, ignorance and greed are worse, no question, but I do get most awfully tired of the rote-parroting words that some people think give their opinions more force and credence. Reminds me of the story of a newspaper shop where a reporter demonstrated himself to be fond of the adjective(?): very. His boss told him to go back and insert 'very' in front of every quality. 'Now take a good look at your story," he said. "Then go back and remove every single one of them." |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: GUEST,olddude Date: 29 Nov 13 - 10:27 PM I speak for more than one person that this thread should be shot with a silver bullet, sprinkled with holy water and have a stake driven through its heart so it does come back again |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: GUEST,olddude Date: 29 Nov 13 - 10:29 PM now back to ebay, gotta a watch I want to buy |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Pete Jennings Date: 30 Nov 13 - 04:29 AM Seconded, olddude. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Bill D Date: 30 Nov 13 - 07:01 PM I will add that I agree with Ebbie, olddude & Pete Jennings... and hope that no one 'discovers' it for another 10 years. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Jeri Date: 30 Nov 13 - 07:38 PM I don't really care much about profanity. I swear sometimes, but I know who's listening and I don't make a habit of using a lot of it. It's like shouting. It Initially gets people's Attention, but if you do it a LOT, people tune you out or Just Avoid You. Nobody wants to be Constantly Prompted to FUCKING PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION!!! See - annoying. Especially given that I didn't really say anything. And may this thread that we dislike so much that we're posting to it to say so (sometimes several times), be ignored by those (other than us) and fade away. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Big Al Whittle Date: 01 Dec 13 - 02:55 PM this is a personal attack on Liz. anyway mr greenwellies if you were getting all that much done why are we still being buggered left, right - backwards and forwards by the banking system. only this week we had the case of the RBS destabilising viable businesses in order to asset strip them. this was against the interests of England and its citizens. if this were wartime - they'd be shot as traitors. they deserve every swear word in the dictionary. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Ebbie Date: 01 Dec 13 - 03:07 PM I feel I must respond: This is not an attack on Liz. It is an attack, if you will, on her mouth, a commentary on what I consider a mistaken approach to efficacy. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Jeri Date: 01 Dec 13 - 03:14 PM Whatever it is, it was started four years ago. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Mrrzy Date: 01 Dec 13 - 06:18 PM In order not to perpetuate myth-is-reality, I'm still trying to purge the terms god, damn, heaven and hell from my swearing. It's bloody difficult. Leaves you with forms of shit and fuck and "very" (besides bloody). I can't say godawful or jeeze louise or inchallah either. Not much is left, if you leave out profanity, besides sex and excrement. |
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Subject: RE: Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed & Foul Language From: Big Al Whittle Date: 01 Dec 13 - 08:14 PM foul language....fowl language....I wonder if chickens swear at each other stop that! you're a complete cock! I don't like the look of that pecker.... |
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