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Song Accompaniment tradition crossovers

The Sandman 10 Dec 20 - 01:59 PM
Steve Gardham 10 Dec 20 - 02:11 PM
Dave the Gnome 10 Dec 20 - 02:47 PM
GUEST,Nick Dow 10 Dec 20 - 05:01 PM
The Sandman 10 Dec 20 - 05:37 PM
GUEST,Nick Dow 10 Dec 20 - 07:46 PM
GUEST,Nick Dow 10 Dec 20 - 07:54 PM
The Sandman 11 Dec 20 - 02:18 AM
The Sandman 11 Dec 20 - 02:24 AM
GUEST,Nick Dow 11 Dec 20 - 06:09 AM
The Sandman 11 Dec 20 - 10:47 AM
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Subject: Song Accompaniment tradition crossovers
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Dec 20 - 01:59 PM

The Concertina accompaniment uses melody on and off the beat, it is a similiar idea to mississipi john hurt guitar style but without the basses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpbufMUjN70


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Subject: RE: Song Accompaniment tradition crossovers
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 10 Dec 20 - 02:11 PM

Lovely, Dick.


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Subject: RE: Song Accompaniment tradition crossovers
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Dec 20 - 02:47 PM

Very nice indeed, Dick, but you missed a trick. You should have worn an Aran sweater and played traditional crossover in a traditional pullover.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: Song Accompaniment tradition crossovers
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 10 Dec 20 - 05:01 PM

I think a lot of accompaniment technique on Guitar has its roots in American playing. Martin Simpson was quoted as saying when he first heard Martin Carthy he thought 'This man has a blues thumb'. If you listen to Robert Johnson he sometimes uses decorations in his singing that are reminiscent of European singing.
Playing behind the beat or on and off the beat is not only difficult to do but very effective. Also stopping and starting the accompaniment is also effective. Do you use that at all Dick?


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Subject: RE: Song Accompaniment tradition crossovers
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Dec 20 - 05:37 PM

willy of the winesbury comes to mind, i am not using amelody ccompaniment its esier for me then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0zAr1t6nTE&list=UU-GtPNIEDLICv5yKnirJAPg&index=93&t=75s i find there is a bit of crossover between 5 string banjo and guitar using open g... or sawmil banjo tuning dgcd guitar dgdgcd, but using thumb melody banjo picking so that the first high string [d] is the drone. i findthat if i use the fifth string on the guitar as if it was the high string on the banjo i have to damp it, its too muddy


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Subject: RE: Song Accompaniment tradition crossovers
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 10 Dec 20 - 07:46 PM

If you listen to my version of the Foggy Dew I try and use the guitar as a second voice. I imagine its similar using a concertina?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWuLMvGkKxU


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Subject: RE: Song Accompaniment tradition crossovers
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 10 Dec 20 - 07:54 PM

I've listened to Winesbury again. There is some clever countermelody going on there, it makes the song. It's like a recurring riff, but it shy's away from chordal work. Very nice. Not easy to sing one melody and play another.


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Subject: RE: Song Accompaniment tradition crossovers
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Dec 20 - 02:18 AM

yes, i do use concertina to play single line harmony on a couple of songs, and i have heard others do that it is a good option for those people who sing harmony naturally, it is a good option for guitar concertina duos. occasionally i might play one phrase with a harmony line and one phrase with a single line melody.
i like your version of the foggy dew, well performed too, i noticed the gaps very effective
i have a different version again but that is thread drift.as it is an unaccompanied version but like yours it is more explicit than the standard versions
i think i do that[ single line harmony and melody on different phrases on bunclody
here is a version of the recruited collierhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEKVeI_VD3E


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Subject: RE: Song Accompaniment tradition crossovers
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Dec 20 - 02:24 AM

i play aversion of Sally freeand easy on concertina that was inspired by hearing cyril play it a specific way on guitar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2tUvD0IjQY


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Subject: RE: Song Accompaniment tradition crossovers
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 11 Dec 20 - 06:09 AM

I believe Bob Copper played some Blues concertina. I've never heard the recordings though. He was a big blues fan. (So am I)


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Subject: RE: Song Accompaniment tradition crossovers
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Dec 20 - 10:47 AM

i did a couple of blues tracks four until late on english and on duet backwater blues pauline abbott singing she was a good blues singer, its on boxing clever on duet you can do walking basses.
i think brian peters did it on anglo


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Subject: RE: Song Accompaniment tradition crossovers
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Dec 20 - 10:51 AM

four until late was an adaption[ if i remember corecctly of one of blind lemon guitar arrangements even though the orinal was by robert johnson. that one four until late is on playing for time lp which got a hammering from reviewer because i di a couple of blues instead of all uk trad material


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Subject: RE: Song Accompaniment tradition crossovers
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Dec 20 - 10:59 AM

on boxing clever which was a compilation of free reed insrtruments we did fogyism backwater blues and we used harminca tooof free reed
i also recorded sitting on top of the world on another cd with joe townsend on fiddle sara grey on banjo and me on concertina[ duet]


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Subject: RE: Song Accompaniment tradition crossovers
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Dec 20 - 11:04 AM

i found that playing my creole belle on guitar john hurt piedmont style works perfectly behind or as an accompaniment for the midnight special


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