BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 10:54 AM

One thing us Brits can't stand is a pretentions supercilious pillock..

They set themselves up on high to be mocked..

Whether the mockery is gentle and friendly,
or unfriendly and cruel,
is up to how insufferably vain and pompous that self indulgent attention-seeking pillock may be...

We consider that is fairly reasonable...

Hence 'knowingly' shit poetry...!!!

.. doggerel shit versus pure undiluted Bullshit...

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 10:34 AM

Doggerel that satirizes doggerel is 'hot-doggerel'. ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Jeri
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 09:28 AM

small fish, one mouth
no bigger than another
nobody has room
to eat his brother

medium sized fish
medium sized pond
most are happy
just swimming along

one day, one fish
begins to figure
he'd like others
to think he's bigger

but whether scientist,
or internet bard
there's nothing sadder
than trying too hard.

Now, THERE'S some doggerel for ya! (It likely joins the other crap as whatever level lives below "doggerel".)

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 08:14 AM

To restore implies a previous existence. What would that have been?
Rome? ugh
Only a few individuals are icons, heros, martyrs and paragons of virtue.
There are precious few who have reason tolerence empathy diversity and truth.
Perhaps a leader exists but for even half of all people to posess reason tolerence empathy diversity and truth, is asking too much.

Asking "how" is preumptuous.


can we reason at all


We may stay trapped in lies at the push of a button.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 07:45 AM

pfr crept into
this crypt
- CRAPPED -
and crept out again.
That's the contribution
of he and Steve who have left
no evidence of any creativity here
Thats OK . They're not cut out to be artists
After this moment of comic relief
I respect Freedom of Speech
from the delicate delicious
to the scatological

So perhaps we can not restore reason tolerence empathy diversity and truth

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 06:47 AM

Here is my take on the WAV format


All the world is a BULL SHIT thread and all the players upon the stage have fault within themselves. The fault is from the stars in violent gamma ray Nova storms. From chaos the threads of life in the most violent regions, must reproduce ferociously and often. Where calm, near imortality may reign. To burn twice as bright and hot or cool and still is the ancient response of life. We can not choose our region of birth. Feel fortunate if it is Earth.

cosmic pond

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Dec 20 - 01:27 AM

ahh.. there's one for the 'masterpiece poetry not yet written' notebook..

"crap" and "mishap" rhyme a treat...

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 09:00 PM

There's nowt dubious about the "poetry" here, Bill. It's all total doggerel! Some may be proud but know what crap they're penning. Others may be penning crap but think they're Wordsworth...that's the trouble...

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 08:12 PM

a reason renaissance stands little chance in a swarm of dubious poetry.

I can't keep up. Maybe I've said all I have, anyway.

Y'all have fun...

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 07:11 PM

it's another reason why I packed in drinking two years ago..

I didn't want to become that elderly gentleman
sat in the corner of the pub
with a swarm flies hovering around his pants..

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 06:58 PM

Steve Shaw, well said about responsibilities.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 06:33 PM

pfr get well soon. Your body is depending on you and vice versa.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 06:07 PM

Drinking cider increases the chance
of an explosive catastrophe in your pants...

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 05:41 PM

Reason is not a luxury but is a necessity for an advanced society. You there, you are living a more luxurious life than people in the court of the pharoh if not more than the pharoh himself. All this and we see so little.
How little do we see? This will explain it a bit.

here and now

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 05:40 PM

If he started to drink beer
Maybe he'd get diarrhea

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 05:12 PM

Pfr don't eat much wholegrain pasta
So now he's had a turtle-head disaster...

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 03:57 PM

...or the trad English rhyme -

Here I sat broken hearted -
Paid a penny and only farted.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 03:53 PM

They say in time all bad things will pass,
But I'm sat here with one lodged half way out my arse...

If you don't want such a problem with your kyber,
Follow wise advice and eat more fibre.

Whatever this has to do with the subject of Reason,
It at least sounds reasonable
To eat your meals with plenty of peas on...

pfr - poetry for reason...

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 03:32 PM

With vision oft blurred
By stars in their eyes!

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 03:29 PM

Who said they all should be great
Most of them make me ache
so for gad sakes
see them as clouds of odd shapes.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 03:25 PM

A ditty I write be it a poem, lyric or rhyme is written right here in the spur of the moment . I don't use Word and edit for days or weeks.
What can be called real time rhymes are not tortured creations but instant manifestations. For that alone I am proud of each one. Afterall Jesus only wrote in the sand and brushed it away with his foot. It will take a mod or an EMP to erase my words. Social media is ephemeral and like a footprint in the sand. I wish I could improvise musicaly as easily.
such as;


In the sperm of the moment Jesus was fertilized
It was 3 wise men who later realized
His life would never be told by attribution
and the baby Jesus would be penalized
from the start by cleft pallett mallocution

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 02:32 PM

Ass holes in castles
aren't golden and wise
In fact they're fascile
and fools in disguise

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 02:20 PM

Wouldn't it be great if WAV and Donuel got together and wrote a poem?
Imagine the possiblitiies if they were both not alone!
Clever rhymes abd scansion diverse-
How many syllables in one verse?
Or even in a single line
Don't worry, all will soon be pretty much ok.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 02:05 PM

Bloody brilliant, Dick. I've just intoned it out very loud to Mrs Steve, who has now forgotten all the cares of the day!

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 02:01 PM

...for comparison (I'm not allowed to copy/paste here): "Christmas Sung Simply"

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 01:56 PM

walkabout you remind me of mcgonagle
Welcome, sweet Christmas, blest be the morn
That Christ our Saviour was born!
Earth's Redeemer, to save us from all danger,
And, as the Holy Record tells, born in a manger.

Chorus --

Then ring, ring, Christmas bells,
Till your sweet music o'er the kingdom swells,
To warn the people to respect the morn
That Christ their Saviour was born.

The snow was on the ground when Christ was born,
And the Virgin Mary His mother felt very forlorn
As she lay in a horse's stall at a roadside inn,
Till Christ our Saviour was born to free us from sin.

Oh! think of the Virgin Mary as she lay
In a lowly stable on a bed of hay,
And angels watching O'er her till Christ was born,
Therefore all the people should respect Christmas morn.

The way to respect Christmas time
Is not by drinking whisky or wine,
But to sing praises to God on Christmas morn,
The time that Jesus Christ His Son was born;

Whom He sent into the world to save sinners from hell
And by believing in Him in heaven we'll dwell;
Then blest be the morn that Christ was born,
Who can save us from hell, death, and scorn.

Then he warned, and respect the Saviour dear,
And treat with less respect the New Year,
And respect always the blessed morn
That Christ our Saviour was born.

For each new morn to the Christian is dear,
As well as the morn of the New Year,
And he thanks God for the light of each new morn.
Especially the morn that Christ was born.

Therefore, good people, be warned in time,
And on Christmas morn don't get drunk with wine
But praise God above on Christmas morn,
Who sent His Son to save us from hell and scorn.

There the heavenly babe He lay
In a stall among a lot of hay,
While the Angel Host by Bethlehem
Sang a beautiful and heavenly anthem.

Christmas time ought to be held most dear,
Much more so than the New Year,
Because that's the time that Christ was born,
Therefore respect Christmas morn.

And let the rich be kind to the poor,
And think of the hardships they do endure,
Who are neither clothed nor fed,
And Many without a blanket to their bed.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 01:47 PM

So Donuel -
The wise poet,
Who does know it -
We now can tell
Is quite a P.A...
And all without pay!

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 01:13 PM

A lot of poetry is trite,
a lot of poetry is shite,
occasionally a poem might be quite alright,
sleep tight, don't let the bed bugs bit,
good night...

pfr - best poet in primary school aged 11...

He held such promise and potential,
when did it all go so wrong.
How do kids turn out as adults ?
There is no rhyme or reason...

Funnily enough, when I was in my early 20s
I was on a long night time train journey
reading a 'modern' poem,
words which triggered a mushroom flashback..
A sensation of time standing still, and dislocation from reality..
Strange but not too frightening..

I think that was one of the last before my brain chemistry repaired sufficiently,
and recovered from teenage misadventures...

I'm worried America's brain chemistry will never heal,
All the rest of us poor buggers
are at the mercy of the biggest most dangerous nutcase in the world...

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 12:03 PM

If I were you I would pay google the money to have WAV to be the first appearing result for searches for Travel guide books, poetry and Europe UK photography. Make $ on the ads that would attach and they might pay for more exotic trips. Mudcat is a dry hole in comparison.

Pay for the international plan and expect a loss for 3 months.
Make the site a guidepost to other sites and maks some of your 'poems' X rated if they are or not :^/

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 11:48 AM

You'd think we like lying to each other starting with Santa Claus and his proposterous flying reindeer. What about fire bottomed chimney's?
Why do we do that to children?
Are we gauging their age of reason?

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 11:40 AM

Forget "War and Peace", set aside a day or two, or burn some midnight oil, put one's feet up and click through "WalkaboutsVerse"

Subject: RE:Bumper Sticker Wisdom by donuel
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 07:43 AM

Villify the lie
Magnify the truth


The New Deal
Help is Real         (winner)


Austeriity
gave prosperity
to the rich

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 06:45 AM

I liked that post!

Allow another real time poem

We tend to print all of the legends and lies and ignore the ugly truth.
The truth of our beauty is brief and the lifetime of lies is long.
The truth need not demand incontravertible proof.
Nor are all lies necessarily wrong.
It is because we are all mortal
That time is a locked portal.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 06:31 AM

I hate the way that the concept of free speech has been usurped by scoundrels who claim that it means you can say what you like, however threatening and hurtful. If we can't accept that freedom comes hand in glove with responsibility, we will eventually lose our freedoms altogether. Whilst we should be free to express the most ludicrous notions (such as my dad insisting that he could prove that the moon landings were filmed in Nevada), we shouldn't claim to be free to express notions that whip up hatred or prejudice, or which make people fearful or insecure. There's been plenty of wrangling over the First Amendment down the centuries (see mucho stuff on wiki), and, just as with the "bear arms" clause in the Second Amendment, the text has been pounced on and stripped of nuance by people of ill intent.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 05:56 AM

Free association sometimes helps me think. Yesterday was a low energy day.
Free speech almost establishes the lie as a permanent feature. I am trying to find a way to villify the lie.
Perhaps it can not be done or wouldn't help if it could, but a guy can dream.
LIES
Pros: can fool an enemy.
Cons: can empower domestic evil.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: leeneia
Date: 28 Dec 20 - 01:19 PM

Now, Donuel. We have lots to fear - Covid, tornadoes, gun fire, bombers, hurricanes...

Talk sense.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Dec 20 - 11:45 AM

The only thing we have to fear is the lie itself.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Dec 20 - 11:36 AM

"To the living we owe respect, to the dead we owe the truth".
Quote: Voltaire

He got it wrong, the truth is wasted on the dead.
If you can't handle the truth by 21 you may as well be dead.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Dec 20 - 11:30 AM

Agreement.
The ethics pickle is lying for a well intentioned purpose, is still lying. What the CIA considered a well intentioned purpose is not my idea. (I don't know where this is going)

I can only suspect that other languaged species like Dolphin do not lie. Is lying a man made invention? If so we can uninvent it with law.

I thought this was settled by accepting 'white lies' and condemning the the dark fraudulent lies. Its out of control in the lying universe.

We oughtta...i dunno

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Dec 20 - 10:28 AM

Islam already has 3-4-5.. depending on how you count... branches. I can see why his branch floundered. (I wonder how 'traditional' Islam considered Malcolm X's?)
   Anyone can name their belief system in a way similar to some already established system, but capitalizing it...or even filing papers... doesn't somehow make it popular and/or influential.

Qanon seems to be merely a group. I doubt they are formally organized anywhere, any more than Ammon Bundy's bunch are.

Maybe I'll claim to the the founder of "T-anon" for "think-anon".

We could use a few million adherents.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Dec 20 - 05:11 AM

Its too bad George G's esoteric branch of Islam did'nt catch on.
It was a non violent form of Islam like the magical Cabalistic form of Judaism.

Whacko groups like QAnon could also use someone to do an inside job and defuse the worst tendancies of dangerous irrational extremists.

Ah Oh It sounds like I'm thinking like the CIA. oh well Social Engineering has its manipulative side

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Dec 20 - 10:21 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gurdjieff

Well.. that's one I missed! From a brief perusal, I probably would have moved right on by like I did when presented with Benjamin Creme and Edgar Cayce
...or even George Hammond, who is in a class by himself.

"It takes all kinds."

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Dec 20 - 08:07 PM

All those interests... they are not concurrent. Most are historic.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Dec 20 - 05:55 PM

I remember before the movie a devout Gurdjeiffian was telling his young sons it was sacriledge for them to have popcorn since it would distract their consciousness.
I enjoyed my popcorn.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Dec 20 - 04:02 PM

I probably never mentioned my philosophy since it is a work in progress.
I never met Gurdjeiff but I met his wife on opening night of his dramaticized biography. Gurdjieff believed that people cannot perceive reality in their current condition because they do not possess a unified consciousness but rather live in a state of a hypnotic "waking sleep". "Man lives his life in sleep, and in sleep he dies."
In an ironic twist I used hypnosis to wake people up. (metaphoricly)
Gurdjeiff had practices to wake up consciousness such as stopping what ever you re doing and examining the moment, he called it the 4th way.

Nowadays we have an awareness of a probable unified conciousness as well as the internet. We are making progress...

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Dec 20 - 03:27 PM

Thqnk you

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Dec 20 - 03:12 PM

well i wished you a happy and healthy new yeqr.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: leeneia
Date: 27 Dec 20 - 02:19 PM

Wanna teach somebody to think? Talk to them and use the subordinating conjunctions.

When I was in high school, I was required to memorize the list of subordinating conjunctions, even though my teacher acknowledged that requiring students to memorize was considered old hat. That list was of enormous help when I got to college and really had to think and write.

Years later I realized that the conjunctions, co-ordinating and subordinate, are the result of thousands of years of humans codifying events on our dynamic planet and within our complex societies.

Yes, there are kids who hardly ever hear thought-provoking sentences - kids who only get yelled at. They are not learning to think.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Dec 20 - 12:11 PM

re: remarkable people.

I met some in Kansas and once I moved here, I met more. 'Remarkable'. of course, doesn't necessarily mean famous, but some were quite well known. Because of folk music, I met some of the best folk musicians... from the Seegers (all 3 of the 'kids'), Jean Ritchie, Bob Beers, Bryan Bowers... and a dozen more.
Because of my civil rights involvement, I met many amazing people.
Because of my environmental concerns, I met several heads of the EPA...like Ruckleshaus.. and other 'remarkable' people.
And gee.. because of Mudcat, I have met many dozens more..including one Donuel, who has more interests than I can keep track of.. ;>)
   Why, I even 'met' and shook hands with Marion Berry at a street festival... though he barely acknowledged I was there.

Subject: RE: BS: How can we restore a reason renaissance
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Dec 20 - 11:50 AM

If, to think ahead, you need to look at the past then surely retrospective vision is the critical element, Donuel. I think you may need to put more thought into that idea. Maybe I am just too forward thinking.