BS: 2021 vaccination thread

Subject: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: keberoxu
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 02:44 PM

Well, no, I have yet to be vaccinated.
If you're not interested in my explanation,
you can skip the rest of this opening post.


I have spent most of the year 2020 in a mental health clinic
within driving distance of Albany, New York.
So I am in what is called "congregate housing," living in an on-campus residence,
where strict protocols are being observed to prevent infection.
Up to this moment, NO patient has tested positive for COVID-19,
although clinic staffpersons have done, several times.

Right now we don't have vaccines for us patients.
Our clinic has worked out an account arrangement with a lab.
This is for the screening tests,
which each patient does twice a week.
These tests are different than a diagnostic COVID-19 test.
So we're in the 'sample-collection' stage of testing
and getting back the results from the lab.

I don't know if any of the staffpersons at the clinic
have been vaccinated or not.
You may rest assured there is a lot of TALK about vaccinations here,
it just has yet to start.

Having said all that:

why not a thread
concerning Mudcatters and their loved ones
getting the vaccine this New Year?

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 03:31 PM

My daughter, who is in her mid-30s, works for the NHS in what is currently a tier 3 area. She has been supplied with testing kits and has been testing twice a week. She received her first vaccination yesterday and has a date for her follow up jab.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Helen
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 03:48 PM

In Oz, because the rate of infections is very low here the people-in-charge-of-the-country have decided to wait until the clinical trials are completed before starting vaccinations. Enough doses of the vaccines (two brands at least) have been secured so the whole country will be vaccinated - or at least, the people who don't rely on farcebook for their opinions, I guess.

Go science! Go medical expertise! Yay! (that's my opinion, so I'll be standing in line for the vaccinations when they are available, and being an old f@rt, I'll be in one of the earlier prioritised groups.)

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Dec 20 - 04:39 PM

I am in a major HMO and way above the minimum age. I assume they will contact me in April or so. I will gladly go in when they call.

In the meantime, I am 98% of the time at home and 99.9995% careful when I go out.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: G-Force
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 07:01 AM

Here in Surrey (UK) our local practice is so hopeless it took us two and a half months to get the flu jab. So with the Covid jab we're not holding our breath (except when we pass a jogger on the street).

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 03:24 PM

I'm hoping we'll get given the Oxford Astra-Zeneca vaccination as it seems to confer higher levels of immunity than the Pfizer one after the first dose: also more of a time margin for getting the second dose: 12 weeks as against 3. And less risk of vaccine going off if it's been left out of the deep freeze for too long!
Guess we'll get what we're given and like it! My husband and I are both over 70 so should be called up at least before Easter I'd think.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Jos
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 04:38 PM

The accounts of the vaccines I have heard several times say that the Oxford Astra-Zeneca vaccination confers about a 70 to 75% level of immunity after the first dose, and the Pfizer, 90% after the first dose. They also said it gives better immunity with a longer wait between doses.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 08:11 PM

As I dare not reveal Mrs Steve's age, all I'll say is that, because she's eight months older than me, she's one step up from me priority-wise. She' ll get done before I get done, which seems a bit daft, but hey ho. However, as we have to endure a "government" that ballses everything up, who knows. They've already screwed up the time interval between doses, from 21 days to three months, something that is completeky untrialled. You really couldn't make it up.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 08:42 PM

I have an ad out for a proofreader, preferably one who doesn't lose their reading specs...

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 04:07 PM

When a dentist offered to help administer the coronavirus vaccine, he hadn't bargained for the "overload of bureaucracy" he says came his way. Dr Bates, from North Yorkshire, is one of a number of health staff to criticise paperwork needed to gain NHS approval to give the jabs.

Some medics have been asked for proof they are trained in areas such as preventing radicalisation. The NHS said training and checks were needed. What absolute pc bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 06:25 PM

Many of the vaccine whingers have no doubt been happy to stuff their faces with hamburgers all their lives, but they won't have the vaccine because they don't know what's in it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: mg
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 08:16 PM

i have read UK has given permission to mix the vaccines..one for first dose and perhaps another for second. I think that sounds insane but maybe not. I am hoping they will find a way to prefill syringes..oh they know how to do that..reduce time spent fiddling around and human error. I am starting to wonder if injections could be done by robot. Stick your arm into a sleeve like a blood pressure thing at the pharmacy...robot jabs. I mean, we do incredible eye surgery with robotic assistance..surely we could jab an arm on at least young healthy people...

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Big Phil
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 09:14 PM

We could a vaccinate ourselves if supplied with it.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 09:38 PM

I have vaccinated people against smallpox, and I probably could do it for COVID. It ain't, like, developing the vaccine!

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Mr Red
Date: 03 Jan 21 - 07:32 AM

this guy reckons the Oxford vaccine will prove a better bet - Duc C. Vuong
$3/$4 a shot
efficacy of various vaccines will migrate to a similar level because of the logistics of the various trials, and the logistics of carting around at -70 deg C. There are reports of 500 doses of the Pfizer being left out of the cold store in America - an isolated example but you aren't going to hear all instances. And it doesn't matter how many if it is you that gets those shots.
We have to think world-wide, with airlines crying . Our herd is 7 billion people wide.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 03 Jan 21 - 07:59 PM

Re what mg said about mixing vaccines in the UK, i.e first and second shots being of different types: this results from article in the New York Times: I spent most of yesterday afternoon arguing about it with a non-medical friend from the Facebook school of medicine. It is a massive distortion of the truth - sensationalist journalism at its worst! So bad that the British Medical Association has demanded that the NYT publish a correction/retraction.
All the advice given by the Medicines Regulatory body is that BOTH vaccinations should be of the SAME type in ALL cases.....except in the rare event that someone has not done proper record-keeping of what was given for the first dose (and recording is a medico-legal requirement!) ONLY if the record of what was given first time cannot be found may a patient be given their second dose which may not match the first, on the grounds that it may be better to have 2 doses if something rather than no second dose.......but this really should not ever have to happen If meticulous documentation is observed.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 11:46 PM

Americans at least can approximate their place in the vaccine queue here.

I am roughly #268,700,001 in America, or 43,701 in my city.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 05 Jan 21 - 12:34 PM

There is also some sort of calculator/predictor over here: from that it looks as if it could be Feb/March before I get mine!

And further confirmation from Scotland's First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, yesterday, as she imposed a further lockdown, that Scottish residents would NOT get different vaccines in the 2 doses, but the same manufacturer's for both.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jan 21 - 03:58 PM

I'm on two lists, and whichever one comes through first, I'll cancel the other.

Here is how the leading eight vaccines work.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 21 - 06:03 PM

As for lockdown precautions this is not the end, not even close.
But we are aclaimated. FIGHT ON PASSIVELY and help each other.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 02:30 PM

Our local Health Centre made the national news today by being the first place in Scotland to give the vaccination: there's hope for us yet!

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: JennieG
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 03:16 PM

I saw a headline yesterday but didn't bother reading the story......something to the effect that a member of the IOC wants "all Olympic athletes vaccinated early".

Well, no. Not unless they are a an emergency/care/essential worker in their spare time, which I very much doubt. They can wait their turn the same as the rest of us have to.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Jan 21 - 03:23 PM

Our local Health Centre made the national news today by being the first place in Scotland to give the vaccination: there's hope for us yet!
Meanwhile Wales made the news by being the slowest of the 4 home nations to get started on vaccination :(

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 09:45 AM

The order in which people will be offered the vaccine in the UK is based on advice from the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI). The NHS will let you know when it's your turn to have the vaccine. It's important not to contact the NHS for a vaccination before then.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread (why not)
From: Charmion
Date: 09 Jan 21 - 10:17 PM

Bonzo, that NHS directive reminds me of my Dad’s anecdote about trying to volunteer for the Royal Navy in September 39. « Go away and wait. We’ll come and get you when we’re good and ready. »

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Lurcherman
Date: 10 Jan 21 - 04:06 AM

I’m on a trial for the Novavax vaccine, that’s liable to be the next one licensed for use. Still haven’t grown a third arm...
Disappointing as it could improve my guitar playing..

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 08:16 PM

I'm finding the slowness of the entire process frustrating, as I hear about friends going out for their vaccinations and I still haven't heard anything. We're all in the same group that is eligible right now.

It looks like there are several vaccines available now and I'll ask which ones are being given once I get an appointment - there is a one-time one that isn't as effective as the two-shot regimen, so I'll hold out for that.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: BobL
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 03:36 AM

Well, it's a huge job, whose logistics are formidable - not only do the vaccines have to be manufactured and distributed, so does ancillary stuff such as syringes and deep freezers. It's unavoidable that the various vax stations, although striving for best efficiency, will vary in how fast they can process their patients.

Some of my own friends in the same age group (70+) have had their jabs - I'm still waiting. Not a problem.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 06:02 AM

News Flush: Florida hackers went after the vaccine scheduling websites so that appointments disappeared and random names appeared.

A war against vaccines just sounds like a Republican thing.













News flush

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 10:30 AM

Had a poor beleaguered health dept person at our neighborhood meeting last night I skipped out of the Singaround for.

Charlottesville is in a district with 250K residents to jab.

Hospitals are only jabbing their employees and patients, and not the public. We hope that sentence ends in "yet" but that was not said.

No pharmacies or doctors can *store* the vaccines, so nobody but the health dept can do the population.

Our health dept has 15 nurses. They will get a whole 8 more next week. Calls are out for volunteers.

We theoretically have three sub-phases in Phase 1. They are starting Phase 1b before finishing 1a, so people at lower risk are getting jabs before some of those already determined to need them more. Who is being considered at what risk is still in flux, too.

They have jabbed [so much shorter to type, that, than Vacinated] about 9k people in about 2 weeks so far. What they would not say is what % of doses that is, or if they have enough doses for everybody, or will be expectingto get more.

Are we having fun yet?

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 10:54 AM

Inefficiencies have led to disposing of vaccines in some rare cases.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: BobL
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 02:20 AM

I believe they allowed for a certain amount of wastage, when they did their sums.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 01:09 PM

Medical people are figuring out how to get more mileage out of those containers of vaccine, they're trying to not waste a drop. The excess is part of the packaging process and also takes into account the types of syringes in use, and medical folks are trying to get the syringes that waste the least as far as extending the precious vaccines.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 08:08 PM

Should have said in my last post on the 7th that our local Health Centre was the first GP premises to be offering Covid vaccinations: they had previously been given in hospitals and care homes. I was in the same centre on Monday for a physiotherapist appointment: had expected it to be full of people in socially distanced queues waiting for more vaccinations, but it was like the Marie Celeste: quite surreal when it used to be such a busy place. One receptionist (busy on the phone), 2 empty waiting rooms, one nurse, one mother + baby, one physiotherapist- and myself.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 08:09 PM

I'm slated to get vaccinated when the C-1 group is called whenever that will be. My wife is in C-3. B is old age homes. A-1 is medical staff of course.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 21 - 02:10 AM

My cousin and his wife in Florida have had their first jab. Both 70+ but no health problems. I think they have good health schemes though. If all goes according to plan my wife and I should get ours in March.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Jan 21 - 09:41 AM

The only person I know who's gotten a first jab is a geriatric psychiatrist.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 21 - 09:07 PM

NYC runs out of vaccines next weekend.
HLS said they will relaese the reserves for second shots to be available for first timers.
The problem is that there is no extra supply lying around, theer were no doses held back or no one knows where they are if they exist.

The new varient is like a burr plant that is twice as sticky making it more likely to spread. March is the month the new varient will dominate.

Trump seems more like Nero every day, if he could play an instrument.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Jan 21 - 10:14 PM

Getting the vaccine in Anchorage:

The State of Alaska had a well-defined and tiered list of priorities, the highest being health providers, and then older citizens. But the officials a few days later combined the older citizens into the top tier based on two reasons, that the State didn’t have that many in the age group to constitute its own class or prevent the health workers from getting theirs, and, since a priority would be given to native or ‘bush’ inhabitants and the value of elders was high in those communities. So maybe a week ago the age range of 65 or older went to the high priority area.

Many of us had issues with the website which I found poorly designed and clumsy. I think it is still being developed while it is being used.

There are many vaccine clinic sites in town, but my friends got their shots at the Anchorage School District Education Center. I was told they were taking walk-ins for the rest of the day. So without thinking very much I got in the car and went right over.

Right Decision.

It took about five minutes before I was in a warm indoor line, moving along pretty quickly. I don’t know who did the initial set-up, but the plan was to activate the municipal school administration and especially school nurses, who were on salary but not in the schools, which are about to be re-opened. Who better to give you the vaccine than a school nurse? Some of the waiting around was because the staff defrosted the cold vaccine in lots since it had to be used within a short period of time. This also explained having people wait listed who might not otherwise meet the criteria. For every defrosted dose, a warm and willing arm.

So once there and in line I experienced friendliness, informality matched with efficiency. As always when faced with the possibility of a line I’d brought a sudoku. As it happened, one of my Starbucks friends was in the same line and we got caught up. The nurse who got me was likewise friendly and informative. Again, who better than a school nurse? I was given a couple of sheets printed with FAQs and they went to extra trouble to answer my specific questions. The actual shot was barely noticeable. I was given a stamped paper square with the vacine name and lot number, and then went into a waiting room where they monitored me for 15 minutes for reaction (none), and had me leave my email address and phone number and make an online appointment for my second shot. I was in and out in under two hours. All at no charge.

So far no change in outdoor behavior. Still maintain social distance. Still use a mask. The second shot is in four weeks. Apparently it is possible to have a stronger reaction at the second shot.

The feeling I've got is that it needed to be done, could've taken longer but now I know I've done what I can not to be a problem to others. I have no sense of invulnerability, maybe just a hair less vulnerability.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 07:27 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/15/trump-vaccine-reserve-used-up/

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: keberoxu
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 09:06 PM

Here, too, those of us who got our first dose today of the vaccine
were required to wait, after receiving the injection,
in a monitored waiting room for several minutes.
The vaccination clinic was held on a school campus.
The monitored waiting room was the school gym, with chairs socially distanced on the hardwood floor.
I didn't see anybody keel over or pass out or anything.

Along with the shot,
I now have the all-important VACCINATION CARD.
That's going to be increasingly important, I believe, in future.

Of course am due for the second dose in something like four weeks.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mr Red
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 03:54 AM

Has any UK 'Catter, in this parish, had their shot in the arm?

My question:   Do you get a Vaccination Card/Proof of Vaccination/Vax Passport ?

The ceilidh scene has been polled and on a small response the answer was fairly unanimous that they would welcome events that asked for "Proof of Vaccination"

Seems an obvious feature to have going forward. But for a government that is led (did I say led?) by a strawhead, I don't see them looking that far ahead. Brexshit is proving that!

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 05:39 AM

More people have now been vaccinated in the UK then have tested positive in the UK since the pandemic started. That is a wonderful achievement!!

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 05:47 AM

Easy, tiger. There's a bloody long way still to go.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 05:53 AM

I know, Mrs Bonzo being over 75 is waiting for her letter!!

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 12:16 AM

News came out that the reserve that was supposed to be held for the second dose for people already vaccinated doesn't exist. The Feds lied about it's being available, and they keep telling states one number then reducing it considerably when it comes time to actually ship.

Those who got the shots in my age group were the ones who claimed an underlying condition. I think it will be a couple of weeks before the gears start turning as far as the Defense Production Act to compel companies to make more, and related companies that can do the work to join in. This is four days old but still has a lot of current information.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 11:13 AM

Bonzo brag away. In the US we do not know where the future vaccines are.
As you expect the WHO says the global moral sin is that poor (shithole) countries have been cut out from getting vaccine.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 06:08 PM

Ordinary human beings with families who are not in control of their own destinies happen to live in those "shitholes." Maybe you should and live in one of those "shitholes" yourself for a while in order to get your perspective fixed.

If developing countries are left behind in this, the pandemic will never go away, new strains will abound and the thing will come back to bite the West on the arse. That's the pragmatic argument, to be put alongside the WHO moral argument, with which I fully agree.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 06:16 PM

I await my letter!!

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 08:58 PM

Finally! A text from the county with a date and time later this week for my first vaccine. Relief.