BS: 2021 vaccination thread

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 09:47 PM

Now this is a music link, but I think it fits well into this BS thread.

Click on this for a splendid pro-vaccine version of Hallelujah - Get the New Jab, from the Marsh Family of Faversham in Kent. Great words and beautifully sung.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 09:57 PM

As for me, I'm lucky enough to have had my second dose of the Bio-tech vaccine over a week ago now. A great feeling. I might have gone down to the pub to celebrate, but the pubs are all closed. (Though actually I wouldn't have, since I'm the only member of my family to achieve immunity.)

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 04:40 AM


As for me, I'm lucky enough to have had my second dose of the Bio-tech vaccine over a week ago now.

..............................................................
.......since I'm the only member of my family to achieve immunity.

It takes several weeks for immunity to build up and, even then, the jab is only claimed to be 90% effective.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 05:36 AM

DC:
As for me, I'm lucky enough to have had my second dose of the Bio-tech vaccine over a week ago now.
..............................................................
.......since I'm the only member of my family to achieve immunity.

It takes several weeks for immunity to build up and, even then, the jab is only claimed to be 90% effective.

If you read what he wrote, he's had his second dose. It takes several weeks after the first jab to achieve immunity.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 05:46 AM

We don't know whether the vaccines confer full immunity, we don't know how long immunity will last and we don't know whether vaccinated people can't still spread the virus. Feeling relief is one thing, but vaccinated people should remain respectfully cautious and shouldn't swan around feeling invulnerable.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 06:31 AM

Yes indeed, there is no evidence that being vaccinated in anyway makes us less likely to get infected and spread the disease - we just know that it gives us pretty good protection against actually getting ill ourselves. Potentially we could be Typhoid Marys.

Anybody planning to host or take part in dance activities for the next few months is both crazy and selfish. That's regardless of whether they have been vaccinated or tested.

We need to be conscious that the death rate from Covid 19 is even higher than it is in the USA. Every other island state in the world, rich or poor, great or small, has managed to achieve a death rate that is relatively low. The UK, and especially Great Britain, is the only exception, with one of the highest death rates on the planet.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 08:33 AM

We (husband and I) should be vaccinated quite soon. He's a 'keyworker' in a secondary school and I'm ancient.
But we have both declared that even after our vaccinations, we shall continue to be very careful, wearing our masks and socially distancing. We only go out to the supermarket once a week, and that's how it will stay.
The virus has come to our village - a paramedic lady four doors down has it, poor soul. She's quite young.
Husband is at risk being from the 'BAME' group. And still working in his school, cleaning toilets etc.
We haven't yet had any communication about getting the vaccination. Hope it will come soon!

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 08:46 AM

So do I!

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mr Red
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 10:44 AM

The UK, and especially Great Britain, *

FWIW I have been logging the Gov figures** for each region, and England is running at 16 cf Scotland and NI of 10 with Wales 13 (current running 7 day average expressed as persons per day per million inhabitants). Daily totals would indicate a fall from peak (Monday latest) but weekend figures are usually lower.

* United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland.

** such as they are. Do we fully believe them? They don't count anyone who dies just after 28 days. And by all counts, it weakens people, some to the point........

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 01:47 PM

The latest from Scotland - "supply has been bumpy" (Nicola Sturgeon) but we are now told (promised?)that over-70s will get their first vaccination by mid-February: that should include my husband and myself. But the Army has been called into set up another 80 vaccination sites, so who knows where we shall have to go. Edinburgh Conference Centre has been cited as a possible super-vax hub, but it's not great to get to: if you go by car, parking nearby is expensive, and who knows how long you might be in a queue? Buses pass the door, but have avoided going on a bus since before last March!

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Rain Dog
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 02:18 PM

Here in Kent the roll out of the vaccine has been patchy,with some areas still waiting for vaccinations to start.

The local news programme has twice mentioned today that Kent & Medway has the highest number of over 80s in the country.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 02:23 PM

I suspect that I owe my early access to the jabs to the fact that where I live is in one of the places with especially high infection rates. And the fact that my wife didn't wait for the letter to come, but got on the phone.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: John P
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 07:39 PM

Here in Washington State they just threw out the schedule for vaccinations in order dramatically increase the numbers and the timing. Everyone who is 65 or older is now eligible. I have an appointment in February. My partner is considered a health care worker and has had her first shot already.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Jan 21 - 06:48 AM

Well - it looks like the only proof of vaccination is a sticky label. So if it is put on the letter of invitation, that is as official as it gets.

Given the way the Gov is handling it, they will run out of labels by the time I get the "call to arm".

Yea, Yea. proof of vaccine isn't proof of immunity or a measure of viral load. But tell that to the Hotel, or the Festival organisers. Not me.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jos
Date: 20 Jan 21 - 08:31 AM

I didn't get a Letter of Invitation, just a phone call.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Jan 21 - 12:39 PM

I should get an invite sometime next month, possibly.
At 65+ I'm not too far down the list, possibly about the same level as my wife who is 60-65, but 'shielding' so gets a raised priority.

Being in Wales I have little confidence in those in charge of the roll-out.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Jan 21 - 01:47 PM

Our very elderly neighbour two doors along (she's 92) has just had her first vaccination. She posted about it on our Village Facebook.
It was at our 'local' doctors' surgery (6 miles away)
Apparently it was fast, no long wait, and she merely had to sit for fifteen minutes before leaving, to check for possible anaphylaxis.
She goes back again in a few weeks for the 'booster' jab.
We're hopeful now that it won't be long until our turn!

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Jan 21 - 02:10 PM

My wife’s parents (aged 80 and 79) got theirs last week. My appointment is on Saturday 23/12/21.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Jan 21 - 02:28 PM

23rd December??? That's nearly a year away!!!

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: BobL
Date: 21 Jan 21 - 02:16 AM

Forward planning...

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jan 21 - 06:51 AM

And it's a Thursday anyway. Tsk.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Jan 21 - 07:24 AM

Ha! Good catch, Eliza! Mrs Backwoodsperson says I’m becoming a silly old bugger, I think she might have a point - it’s this coming Saturday, 23/1/21!

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 21 Jan 21 - 07:45 AM

Oh phew!! That's great Backwoodsman. Not long to wait. Bum or arm? (tee hee)

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Jan 21 - 08:15 AM

LOL! I really don’t care, Sen. Over the past fifteen years I must have had thousands of injections/blood-tests/cannulas/catheters, plus been almost cut in half twice during major operations, so one more little prick doesn’t faze me! If you know what I mean... ;-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Senoufou
Date: 21 Jan 21 - 10:02 AM

Pwaaaaahaaah!! Not long ago I had some teeth out, and the (male) dentist approached with the hypodermic needle to numb-the-gum.
He foolishly set himself up for some banter when he announced, "Just a small prick." I replied, "How very disappointing! But it's the technique that counts."

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Jan 21 - 10:19 AM

There was no vaccination plan and vaccines are missing

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Jan 21 - 10:36 AM

Mine was yesterday, and it took navigating a long line, but the County has thought of everything now since this site has been open for a month. There is a long covered walk and you go to the end of the line (it was 46^o and drizzling), wend your way past the extra (portable) toilets, into the building. There are employees who walk up and down the line making sure everyone has the right papers (or gives them a clipboard with a new set if they didn't print them at home). Someone scans your forehead for temperature, and by the time you've been in the indoors part of the line for about 10 minutes you've warmed up enough that taking off the jacket is comfortable. They send you past the folks who register your information (there is no charge, but they let your insurance company know that you've had the shot/s) and the last line is to be sent to the table for the jab. And the nurse I spoke with had a very good touch, I didn't feel it at all. This morning my arm is a little stiff.

She asked what other immunizations I've had, and when I told her last fall I got the two Shingriz (shingles) shots, she told me that one is considered pretty rough (it was, relatively) and that this one isn't so bad. So far, that seems to be the case.

The interesting part of this is that I have the information (a handout) to set up a phone app to keep them apprised of any after effects of the vaccine. The CDC is crowd-sourcing as much as they can information about how well the vaccines are received. Mine was the Pfizer shot and I have a small (precious!) card with the lot number and such.

What I love is that I got this vaccine on inauguration day, after Biden was in office. My statistics now go on his record, for the bean counters to keep track of.

The thing that was so apparent is that everyone was very happy. The sheriff walking along the line to help people with papers, the staff taking temperatures, the sign-in desk people, the folks who monitor the "medical observation" area where you have to wait for 15 minutes to be sure you don't have an allergic response. They are doing life-saving work, one body at a time, and everyone knows it and we were all grateful. I live near the site, and was away from home for about an hour and a quarter, total.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Jan 21 - 10:45 AM

The CDC site is easy to navigate and apparently they will text me every day for the next week to ask how I'm feeling.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 22 Jan 21 - 11:02 AM

It was the talk of the Zoom band practice on Wednesday, with most of us being over 70: one done, one has appointment, the other 4 not yet heard.
And my son-in-law's 94-year-old dad in N Ireland has still not heard anything, but he is housebound at home, not in a care home, so will need a district nurse to come to the house.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 22 Jan 21 - 11:04 AM

Oh, and my daughter, who is a physiotherapist, got hers this morning.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jos
Date: 22 Jan 21 - 12:09 PM

I was done this morning. Very short queue, no temperature check, just a squirt of hand gel.
No forms or clipboards or signing in, just name and address, and brief questions about serious allergies and medications.
Afterwards there was no waiting for 15 minutes in case I was taken ill.
On leaving, I was given a small card with my name on it, the date, and the vaccine type and batch number, and a sheet of paper to read, which includes near the top:

"Read all of this leaflet carefully before the vaccine is given because it contains important information for you."

There is a list of possible side effects, but the bit of information that does worry me is that the vaccine is:

"Produced in genetically modified human embryonic kidney (HEK) 293 cells."

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Jan 21 - 07:20 PM

What a pleasure it is to hear Dr. Fauci unhindered 'liberated' speaking on public radio.

He was talking over his vaccination and the importance of getting as many people vaccinated even though the newer strains of U.K., South Africa, and now Brazil SEEM to throw efficacy in doubt. Dr. Fauci is emphasizing that the main effects of the new strains are increased transmissibility and the vaccine limits that. How resistant the new strains are to the vaccine once transmitted is something we are still learning, but the vaccine is still effective, possibly less effective, but we simply don't know.

GET VACCINATED.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: keberoxu
Date: 22 Jan 21 - 07:23 PM

Hank Aaron got vaccinated this month,
and made it a photo op, talking to the Associated Press.

It is just a little, erm, poorly timed
that he died this morning.
Yes, I know the vaccine didn't do it, but still ...

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 Jan 21 - 09:59 PM

just for the record:
when I went to the nurses' station this week,
and confessed to exhaustion and fatigue,
the nurse assured me that
I was not the only person who received the first dose of vaccine the previous weekend
who complained of that side effect.
I literally did require more sleep and less effort this week.
Not that I regret getting vaccinated.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Jan 21 - 01:38 AM

Dr. Fauci himself mentioned that he experienced fatigue after his vaccination.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 06:17 PM

Bad News.
I don't wish to be the bearer of bad news but the truth is not always what we would want. Denial doesn't help anyone so may the usual suspects, please hold your tongue.
First we do have two vaccines for the early varient of Covid.
Merck has failed entirely and Astra Zenica is only 10% effective for the elderly. Also the two remaining companies in the research pipeline Johnson and Johnson and Novachex won't announce their one dose findings until March.

Moderna and Pfizer are our working vaccines but the race against 4 new varients is not fully understood except that they are worse in being more infectious. Lab studies are not as good as human trials so bottom line we don't know except for the statement that in essence new varients are 30% more deadly.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 07:08 PM

Drum roll! A letter dropped through our door this morning inviting my husband to attend for vaccination on Feb 2nd. Great - but where’s mine?? My husband is marginally younger than me too, and despite his cardiac history has not been advised to “shield”.
I’ll await our next postal delivery with interest! Since COVID, it has been down to only 2 or 3 times per week.
And he has been given an appointment at Edinburgh International Conference Centre, which is being used as a vaccination hub and is pretty central Edinburgh, a place we have avoided like the plague since last March. To get there could mean 2 buses: again, not been on any of those since last March, or take the car into a highly priced parking area (central zone prices) not knowing how long you might have to wait and risking a parking fine. Oh, what joy! Then if I get my appointment on a different day, just relat or double that!

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Noreen
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 07:19 PM

Donuel, where did you get the information that "Astra Zenica is only 10% effective for the elderly"? You sound as if you DO want to be the bearer of bad news- maybe make sure it's true before sharing?

A report in German newspapers claiming similar has been denied, and AZ say good antibody response has been seen in the elderly (very few elderly people were included in the initial trials).

From AstraZeneca denies report vaccine less effective in elderly:
In a written response, AstraZeneca described the German media reports saying its COVID-19 vaccine was shown to have a very low efficacy in the elderly as "completely incorrect".
It said Britain's Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation supported the vaccine's use in the elderly. It also said that a strong immune responses to the vaccine had been shown in blood analysis of elderly trial participants.

Also from The International Journal of the British Geriatrics Society:

Unpublished Phase III analyses suggest high efficacy [in the over 65s]
Many of the Phase III trials have made a conscious effort to recruit older people, and interim analyses of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine have led to press releases announcing high degrees of efficacy.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 07:48 PM

In addition, though there is growing evidence that the UK new variant is more transmissible, I'm not aware that there is, as yet, any convincing evidence that the South African and Brazilian variants share that attribute. I think it's quite important that we stick to what we actually know.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Jan 21 - 07:51 AM

32,000 doses of vaccine not used in required 7 days in UTAH

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Jan 21 - 08:04 AM

My wife is to have her first vaccine on Friday at our GP Surgery. I still await the call!

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: EBarnacle
Date: 26 Jan 21 - 05:55 PM

Sunday, a friend tipped us off that 1B's were going ahead in our area. I got the email about an hour later, offering the shot and scheduled for yesterday. Other than a bit if bureaucratic glitching, it went smoothly. No pain, no side effects as of this afternoon. Lady Hillary is in 1C and expects to get hers next week.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Jan 21 - 06:31 PM

I heard on the news today that Merck abandoned two vaccines it was working on because they couldn't be shown to be very effective.

There is a lot of vaccine information available from Tiberious (a US Dept. of Defense site).

Vaccine makers have plans to adjust the existing formulations or offer a booster if needed to deal with the new varieties turning up if they become prevalent. So far the vaccines are effective against most of them.

Biden found the Trump vaccine program in disarray, he talked about it in a press conference today. They're pushing to get a lot more doses made within the next three weeks to boost the daily vaccine administration numbers.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: robomatic
Date: 26 Jan 21 - 10:00 PM

Tattie Bogle:

In cases where one of you receives an invitation to get a vaccine and another is not, despite obvious criteria for being so vaccinated, it might avail to go together and see what happens. I was vaccinated on a walk-in basis, and there was a wait-listed line of people who would fill in because the vaccine was thawed out on a batch basis and the medical folk were not going to waste any doses.

Just a thought.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Mr Red
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 03:13 AM

It looks like my local county health authority have a system of giving out a little card with the date of vaccination and a recall date for the second jab. Physical evidence and a reminder. Good enough for me.

I await the call to arm.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Thompson
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 04:44 AM

Donuel, the supposed low rate of efficacy of the AstraZenica vaccine is a misreading of the figures, which said that only 8% to 10% of the people in the tests of that vaccine were over 70.
I'd love to see a graph of the estimated efficacy of the different vaccines, but haven't found one yet; but I think the Pfizer one is supposed to have a better protective level than the AstraZenica one. Which makes it all the more annoying that (if I'm reading it right) the plan in Ireland appears to be to give the over-70s the AstraZenica vax.
What we're not realising is that the number of vaccines being produced is only what's possible for the factories - equivalent to a ukelele maker suddenly being told to fulfil the worldwide guitar demand.
Fair play to the Indians, who are giving away vaccine to Nepal, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Bhutan, Maldives and Seychelles.

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 04:45 AM

So you will be fined £200 for attending an illegal party - if you catch covid government will pay you £500 - result £200 profit!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jos
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 05:19 AM

So where does the other £100 go?

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Rain Dog
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 05:20 AM

To the accountant Jos

Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread
From: Jos
Date: 27 Jan 21 - 05:28 AM

You may be right. That might explain why it wasn't mentioned in the post.