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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Rain Dog Date: 03 Apr 21 - 03:19 AM Re travel restrictions within the US Following an item on BBC radio this morning, I had a look at the CDC recommendations for travel with the USA.It says that if you are fully vaccinated you can travel within the US and do not have to self quarantine on arrival. It does also state you should follow local recommendations too. How does this work in practice. Do airlines, hotels etc ask for proof? I ask the question because here in the UK there is talk of maybe people having 'vaccine passports' in the near future. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Mrrzy Date: 01 Apr 21 - 07:45 AM Still just directing traffic [more foot than vehicle now] at that pool *but* the data are looking better and better. I am likely to take the jab when my turn rolls around. I would prefer 3 to 5 years of data, but am predicting June. Meanwhile, my vax site has started jabbing anybody in 1b. Finally. You can walk in if you are over 65, or claim an underlying health issue, or work with people. We count a lot of things as underlying health issues, too. One super-ethical dude hung out looking through the list of co-morbidities, then didn't claim any, though I bet his bmi was higher than 25. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Donuel Date: 31 Mar 21 - 10:51 AM Our shots are good for about year but 3 to 5 varient vaccines should be developed. Currently a 4th wave is growing in the US. We don't know the full impact of varient spread . Dr. Brilliant who cured smallpox says the globe will never reach herd immunity and will chase varients ad infinitum. The UK varient is now found to be more severe. All in all bad news but even a small feeling of reprieve is being enjoyed with the return of the sun. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: robomatic Date: 29 Mar 21 - 07:41 PM Mrrzy, I haven't read here that you've actually got the shot(s), or did I miss it? Are you walking round and round the pool, or have you taken a dive? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Mrrzy Date: 29 Mar 21 - 04:31 PM Data are a -cummin in that the 2-shot vaxes do prevent infection, not just illness, yay! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Donuel Date: 27 Mar 21 - 09:50 AM Of its 30,000 employees the NIH has documented its first case of a fully vaccinated person contracting Covid. The person's virus has not yet been sequenced so the variant possibility is still an open question. This ongoing and new incident may be small odds of a vaccine failure or something else. Mrrzy the technology in the production of micro fine thin needles makes shots painless today compared to the 'spikes' of the past. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Donuel Date: 27 Mar 21 - 09:15 AM Of its 30,000 employees the NIH has documented its first of a fully vaccinated person contracting Covid. The person has not yet been sequenced so the variant possibility id dtill an open question. This ongoing and new incident here may be small odds of vaccine failure or something else. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: robomatic Date: 20 Mar 21 - 06:09 PM Allan Sherman |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Mrrzy Date: 20 Mar 21 - 03:38 PM If you have to take vaccine Take it orallyyyyy For you know the other way Can most painful beeeee |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Bonzo3legs Date: 20 Mar 21 - 08:02 AM Overmorrow is the word that comes to mind!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Donuel Date: 18 Mar 21 - 04:45 PM We are now half vaccinated but have another 5 weeks to an all clear of sorts. We have all been careful as the saying goes but mostly we've been lucky. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Jos Date: 17 Mar 21 - 04:42 PM Today I heard a new word (new to me, anyway): Vaccinee. (Or at least, I don't think it was 'vaccine-knee'.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Donuel Date: 17 Mar 21 - 03:40 PM CVS is now vaccinating with Pfizer in the store after a 5 day registraation for an appointment. No age requirment except no children. I saw it with my own eyes, not yours. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Senoufou Date: 17 Mar 21 - 02:31 PM My husband's extremely elderly mother has been vaccinated in Adjame (district of Abdijan) Apparently it was the Oxford Astra-Zeneca vaccine. We're very pleased. But the family is now planning a huge baptism celebration and there will be dozens attending, unmasked and undistanced. Husband is furious, but they seem oblivious to the dangers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Nigel Parsons Date: 16 Mar 21 - 05:53 PM The A-Z vaccine trials checked for infection constantly, while the Pfizer/Moderna looked for people showing symptoms of COVID. Seriously? In trials Pfizer/Moderna were looking for symptoms for something which we already knew could be carried asymptomatically? Looks like another bonus for Astra-Zeneca. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Donuel Date: 16 Mar 21 - 04:02 PM In the future I expect to get booster varient vaccines as common as a flu shot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Mr Red Date: 14 Mar 21 - 03:52 AM An interesting video from November says that the trials of Moderna & Pfizer differed from the Astra Zenica/Oxford vaccine by one detail that surprised me. (6:30 mins in) The A-Z vaccine trials checked for infection constantly, while the Pfizer/Moderna looked for people showing symptoms of COVID. Which explains the early result differing, which even Dr Fauci reckoned long-term statistics would show a migration to a similar efficacy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 13 Mar 21 - 03:31 PM Over 50, in England, I'm due to get my first jab within a month, I think; and vaccinations are at least one thing we've done well at. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: keberoxu Date: 13 Mar 21 - 03:24 PM The local radio channel just broadcast a news "soundbite" quoting ... hmm ... who were they quoting? ... that 10% of the United States population is vaccinated now. We in the US really ought to do better than 10% -- ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Mar 21 - 12:35 PM The US has millions of the AstraZeneca in surplus because it has been produced here but hasn't been approved here. Other countries that have approved it need those vaccines and it would behoove the US to give those vaccines to the places that can use them now. The U.S. Is Sitting on Tens of Millions of Vaccine Doses the World Needs Those tens of millions of doses from AstraZeneca are waiting for trial results, while countries that authorized the vaccine beg to have them. WASHINGTON — Tens of millions of doses of the coronavirus vaccine made by the British-Swedish company AstraZeneca are sitting idly in American manufacturing facilities, awaiting results from its U.S. clinical trial while countries that have authorized its use beg for access. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Allan Conn Date: 12 Mar 21 - 12:15 PM I take it the Irish roll out is much slower than the UK is because they agreed to go along with the EU idea of all doing it together! They have then been slower to order and slower to approve the vaccines. Which means the UK is on a head to head basis well ahead of the curve compared to the EU. We have been lucky in a way. We approved Astra-Zeneca for the over 60s before the data proved the efficacy in the over 60s. We took the word of the scientists at face value when they said there was no reason to doubt it's effectiveness in the elderly! And that gamble seems to have paid off as initial results both in Scotland and England seem to suggest that its effectiveness is even higher than Pfizer's high effectiveness. Could have gone the other way I suppose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Mar 21 - 11:03 AM If you can get this US radio program, on Monday's Fresh Air: CRISPR Scientist's Biography Explores Ethics Of Rewriting The Code Of Life Terry Gross interviewed Walter Isaacson about his new book Code Breaker that describes the process of developing these vaccines. He follows Jennifer Doudna who was instrumental in the process. Jennifer Doudna and Emmanuelle Charpentier won the 2020 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for their role in developing this technology. (And what is so incredibly remarkable about this? Not only is it two women who won this prize, they're both still in the prime of their lives and not dusted off to receive recognition for work performed decades ago!) The Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines are the first vaccines to be activated by mRNA — and would not have been possible without the invention of the gene editing technology known as CRISPR. There is a lot more text on the site even if you can't hear or download the podcast. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: The Sandman Date: 12 Mar 21 - 10:47 AM it seems the uk are moving faster than ireland, i do not know whose fault that is europe or ireland |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: The Sandman Date: 11 Mar 21 - 08:39 AM so does anyone here know anything about the different vaccines, why one vaccine only needs one jab, do they all work in the same way? |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: robomatic Date: 10 Mar 21 - 12:21 PM "60 Minutes" US had an interesting story about a repurposed drug that was successfully used to reduce the danger of the Covid-19 virus. This drug was NOT promoted by anyone in the Trmp government, which was diversionary in so many of its activities. Meanwhile, our Governor has opened vaccination to all appropriate ages. Sort of like the airline announcement that "the rest of us may board." |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Donuel Date: 09 Mar 21 - 08:26 AM One will not test positive from the vaccine unless they already were infected pre jab. The antibody tests will also show no positives except for one type that looks for nucleotides. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Tattie Bogle Date: 08 Mar 21 - 07:00 PM That was the Heaf test, the one with 6 needles: not a vaccination. If the test was negative you then got the BCG vaccination. Mine was positive so I had to go for a chest X-ray, but it was all clear. There were no vaccines for measles, mumps or rubella when I was a kid. Polio vaccination ( by injection then) came in during my early teens. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Jon Freeman Date: 08 Mar 21 - 03:24 PM We used to call the TB test we had when I was in school six needles. It sounded a bit nasty but wasn't bad. I had measles and German measles (rubella) as we called it then as a kid but am not sure about mumps. I seemed to escape (at least no symptoms) chicken pox when all three of my brothers had it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Rain Dog Date: 08 Mar 21 - 03:23 PM I had my first vaccine on Friday and am due to get the second one on 21st May. Easy to book and just took 20 minutes from arrival to leaving. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: fat B****rd Date: 08 Mar 21 - 03:01 PM I'm immune to Yellow Fever until November 2023, so there :-} |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Donuel Date: 08 Mar 21 - 12:28 PM I get the covid shot next week. None of the State websites worked for months but an academic link got me an appointment. After several hundred tries its been a long process so far in Md. I had measels and chicken pox at the same time as a kid so I got the shingles vaccine. 2 weeks later I got a painful itchy blister inside my elbow on the same arm as the shot. Its almost gone now but it makes me think I could have gotten shingles for sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: The Sandman Date: 08 Mar 21 - 12:22 PM So what is the story with pregnant women and vaccines are there problems for them with all the differentvaccines |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Donuel Date: 08 Mar 21 - 11:39 AM https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-guidance-what-can-covid-19-vaccinated-people-do-2021-3 |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Tattie Bogle Date: 07 Mar 21 - 06:47 PM Yes, that's how smallpox vaccine was given, using a "scarifier" to scratch the skin repeatedly. Most people of my generation had it as babies and developed a small scar. I decided to go to Morocco on holiday at age 21 and had to be vaccinated against smallpox again so that I could produce a valid vaccination certificate before travelling there: no new scar from that. Then 3 months later, as part of our medical training in immunology, we medical students had to vaccinate each other! So I got done twice in 3 months - no ill- effects and no new scars! BCG vaccination for TB also gave most people a scar, but that was after a sort of indolent ulcer developed at the injection site, and took weeks to heal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Charmion's brother Andrew Date: 07 Mar 21 - 09:05 AM The last time I got a smallpox vaccination was in the mid-1970s (I cannot remember if it was in recruit or officer training, but it was more likely the former). The instrument used was a flat implement of steel like that of a safety razor blade, about 30 mm long and 5 mm wide, with a equilateral triangular "tooth" with sides of about 2.5 mm on one end. The medical assistant (MA) swabbed the vaccination site and applied a droplet of the vaccine to the "target area." The MA then stabbed the droplet and pierced the skin repeatedly with the tooth, maybe a dozen times. She then applied a bandage to the site, and I was off, in the finest traditions of the service, to physical training where all of us with recent perforations to our deltoids did push-ups. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Mar 21 - 11:56 PM Jeri, I meant that you hadn't actually caught smallpox or polio BECAUSE you most likely had the vaccines instead. I wasn't clear enough. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Jeri Date: 06 Mar 21 - 09:15 PM Joe and Charmion, I think when I was small, I was told the smallpox vaccine was administered via tiny cuts in the skin, so I imagined razor blades. When I was older, and got a booster, I remember seeing the single use multi-pronged poky things. I could still find my smallpox scar, right up to when it got tattooed over. And TB tests come in a couple different varieties. The simple one, the screening test, is another sort of poky thing. If it comes up positive, you have to get a PPD (purified protein derivative, if it matters), which is given with a needle. The screening test has occasional false positives. The PPD doesn't. The Air Force only gives the IPPD. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Joe Offer Date: 06 Mar 21 - 08:23 PM Gee, I always thought the scar from smallpox vaccinations was caused by a "pox" at the injection site. I thought it was injected with a regular needle, and then the reaction caused a scab and a scar. https://www.healthline.com/health/smallpox-vaccine-scar |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Charmion Date: 06 Mar 21 - 07:36 PM Scalpel, Jeri. I had two smallpox vaccinations: one in 1960, so I could start school, and the next in 1974, when I joined the regular force. I never had MMR because I had all those diseases, plus chicken pox, before the inoculations were invented. Polio was the injectable — Salk, I think — version, not droplets on a sugar cube, and we got boosters every year at school. Typhus, typhoid types A & B, tetanus and diphtheria was a single big fat (probably 10-cc) syringe with pink stuff in it, and we got boosters of that, too. The tuberculosis test was also done at school every year, with a machine that made a noise like a stapler as the technician pressed its business end on our wrists so it could inject a tiny dose of reagent under the outermost layer of skin. In the forces, for some strange reason, we did the TB test the old-fashioned way, with a small syringe and a fine needle slipped between the layers of skin. I never saw a kid faint at a school needle parade, but one or two went down every week during basic — always at either the blood sample station or the TB test. It was seeing the needle pierce the skin that did it. In the service, I was inoculated against several tropical diseases, too. The yellow fever shot stung something wicked and the cholera shot made me a little feverish, but nothing more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Jeri Date: 06 Mar 21 - 03:01 PM The smallpox wasn't a jab. There was this little round thing with blade to cut the skin, and the "vaccination" was in the tiny cuts. I was told that initially, the skin was cut with razor blades. I don't know how true that is, but the large round scar is because ot the way the vaccine was administered. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Doug Chadwick Date: 06 Mar 21 - 02:29 PM In fact, the smallpox vaccination as an adult was a booster. The one I received as a child left a scar. This was expected and my sister was given hers in her hip so that the scar would not show when she wore short sleeved blouses. DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Doug Chadwick Date: 06 Mar 21 - 02:22 PM I had the polio vaccination as a child as a course of three injections. This was followed by a booster on a sugar lump as an adult. I received the smallpox vaccination as an adult which was given by a scratch with a scalpel rather than by injection with a needle. DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Mar 21 - 02:03 PM I don't remember the smallpox jab being routinely on offer, though I saw a few people who'd had one. I had the polio one on sugar lumps as I recall. I suffered mumps and measles. When we were pregnant with child numero uno we had a huge scare apropos of rubella. It turned out that Mrs Steve had never had it, so was signed off work for six weeks in the school she taught at as a child there had caught rubella. My mum couldn't remember whether I'd ever had it, so I had to take time off until I was tested. Turned out that I'd had it. It got me two weeks off work though! :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Jeri Date: 06 Mar 21 - 10:42 AM Addendum: I haven't had polio or smallpox. I've known people who have, but I've only had the immunizations. But I think SRS was talking to else-folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Senoufou Date: 06 Mar 21 - 10:41 AM My much-loved neighbour-across-the-road had her jab on the same day as me. I asked her the next day if she felt alright? Did she feel any side-effects? Headache? Sore arm? She's broad Norfolk and a real old-fashioned villager. She looked at me in bewilderment, thought for a moment, then answered, "Woi?" That's all she said. I had to laugh. People here don't believe in making a mountain out of a molehill, and like Steve they just get on with it. Very good philosophy of life in my opinion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Jeri Date: 06 Mar 21 - 10:34 AM Me? I've had polio and smallpox. Never had the MMR, because I got all those diseases. Measles almost killed me, and I didn't get chicken pox until I was 13, and I got it BAD. Most people these days are of an age where they never had to deal with these things. For all they know, the shot is worse than the illness, plus, people think they can live forever. So we're having a re-surgence of these things. “Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it.” I don't think it's "knowing". I think it's ignoring. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Mar 21 - 09:45 AM Whenever I've got anything medical coming up, I never think about it in advance. Not even if it's having a tooth out. Gotta be done, can't be helped, nobody'll die. I didn't give my jab a thought beforehand. I drove to the jab centre, had the jab and ten minutes later was arguing in the supermarket with Mrs Steve about how many bottles of my favourite wine, on offer with 33% off, to put in the wagon... It's only a little prick, for God's sake, as the bishop said to the duchess... And no reactions! |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Mar 21 - 09:36 AM You probably also haven't had polio or smallpox—those vaccines are so far back you don't even think of them. When I went to graduate school in the 1990s the paperwork asked when were my measles, mumps, rubella, and chicken pox vaccines. Sorry, I had to report, I had those diseases and formed my own immunity (hence making sure to get the Shingrix shots now). |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Jeri Date: 06 Mar 21 - 09:30 AM I figure it's the second of a two-shot regimen that mostly affects people, so I just won't plan anything for after. (As if I might have plans.) As someone who had a bit of a nasty reaction (flu-like symptoms for 3-ish days. Yay, immune response!) to a flu shot a couple times in the past few years, I won't worry about it. I quit giving blood because the last few times, I got a nasty migraine afterwards. But shots? Having been in the military, I managed to avoid the plague vaccine, and anthrax. HepA & B, rabies, yellow fever, typhoid, I've had. Plus, the old peoples' vaccines for pneumonia and shingles. Probably more that I can't remember. Mostly, I get a sore arm. I'm happy to say I've had none of those diseases. The Covid-19 shot seems like a walk in the park. |
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Subject: RE: BS: 2021 vaccination thread From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Mar 21 - 09:14 AM Well my jaw aches and I dribble down one side after a filling anaesthetic. I often got a big bruise after giving blood or after a blood test. I've had lots of risky X-rays. I've just spent four days with a headache and bellyache taking an antibiotic that is hopefully making me get better. All these things are just like having any jab. They are medical interventions. They are not exactly what our physiology expects. A reaction is not unlikely. But the science has gone to great lengths to demonstrate that the jabs are safe. You're far more likely to die in the dentist's chair. We don't need this constant emphasis on the negatives. |
