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Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]

GUEST,henryp 13 Jun 21 - 09:49 AM
Bonzo3legs 13 Jun 21 - 06:30 AM
GUEST,henryp 13 Jun 21 - 06:23 AM
GUEST,henryp 13 Jun 21 - 05:55 AM
Bonzo3legs 13 Jun 21 - 05:50 AM
Bonzo3legs 13 Jun 21 - 05:20 AM
Gibb Sahib 13 Jun 21 - 04:50 AM
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Steve Gardham 12 Jun 21 - 09:06 AM
GUEST,henryp 12 Jun 21 - 02:49 AM
GerryM 06 Apr 21 - 09:14 AM
Sandra in Sydney 31 Mar 21 - 01:58 AM
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Joe Offer 29 Mar 21 - 11:54 AM
The Sandman 29 Mar 21 - 07:34 AM
rich-joy 29 Mar 21 - 05:48 AM
GUEST,Tony Mannion 21 Mar 21 - 08:15 PM
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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 13 Jun 21 - 09:49 AM

The train is still the best way to reach St Ives. A new P&R opened in St Erth last year.

Incidentally, TikTok are sponsoring the G7 Meeting, or is it Euro 2020? One or the other.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Jun 21 - 06:30 AM

I went to Carbis Bay in early 1980s with my son on an "access holiday" If I remember there was a train which took you from a car park some distance away to right alongside the beach. Excellent place for G7!!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 13 Jun 21 - 06:23 AM

Boris wants to help the poor
Heave away, haul away
He wants to help the rich much more
In Carbis Bay


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 13 Jun 21 - 05:55 AM

Biden wants to sing his song
Heave away, haul away
Shenandoah can't go wrong
In Carbis Bay

While the rich lounge on the beach
Heave away, haul away
Protesters march in the streets
In Carbis Bay

Boris just wants his own way
Heave away, haul away
Keep your word! the EU say
In Carbis Bay

Boris; I'm misunderstood
Heave away, haul away
Trust him? I just wish we could!
In Carbis Bay


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Jun 21 - 05:50 AM

Bellies out to the wind - avast behind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Jun 21 - 05:20 AM

Are there any sea shanties from Switzerland?? John Tams used to sing one!!!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 13 Jun 21 - 04:50 AM

President Biden does indeed long to sing a chanty. He said he'd like to sing the greatest of all the chanties, "Shenandoah"-- if he had the voice for it. And as he first stepped foot into the White House, an orchestra inside greeted him to the melody of "Shenandoah." (I wonder what key signature it was noted in!)


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: meself
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 06:01 PM

"During their 19th century heyday, a spritely young Joe Biden might even have sung some while mopping down the deck of a tall-sailed clipper."

Come now, Mr Guardian, he's not THAT old!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 09:06 AM

Hi Henry. You missed off the ;) There is a little irony here in that Biden is unlikely to be aware that chanties originated in his own backyard.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 02:49 AM

The Guardian Friday 11 June 2021 Sea shanties provide perfect soundtrack for G7 summit

As Britain raises anchor from Europe and sets sail into the choppy waters of independence full of bravado, booze and bad dentistry, forcing workers protections off the plank and eager to steal other countries’ stuff, it’s fitting that G7 leaders will be entertained on the beach with sea shanties from local shantymen Du Hag Owr during their Cornwall summit this week. Shanties are, after all, the perfect soundtrack to Brexit: brash, reckless and misty-eyed for the 1850s.

Our esteemed visitors might already be aware of this bawdy folk work song tradition used to synchronise labour on merchant ships as far back as the 15th century, particularly if they represent a country that was colonised to the strains of Blow the Man Down. During their 19th century heyday, a spritely young Joe Biden might even have sung some while mopping down the deck of a tall-sailed clipper.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GerryM
Date: 06 Apr 21 - 09:14 AM

The Sabbath prayer L'cha Dodi, to the tune of The Wellerman. https://youtu.be/XEHxA0u7-nQ


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 31 Mar 21 - 01:58 AM

audio of Shanty Club motto of Shanty Club - if you don't know the words SING LOUDER.

& some of the Crew were interviewed & singing on radio this morning, around 9.45, what a lovely welcome to my late brekkie.

sandra


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GerryM
Date: 30 Mar 21 - 06:00 PM

First get-together of the Redfern Shanty Club in over a year (link to an article in the Guardian).


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Mar 21 - 11:54 AM

This being the year of TikTok sea songs, take a listen to The Red Sea Shanty: A Pirate Passover:


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Mar 21 - 07:34 AM

might i suggest to guest rowan, to look up singer Jim Mageean - Wikipedia particularly his duo work with johnny collins and the group the keelers


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: rich-joy
Date: 29 Mar 21 - 05:48 AM

Sorry if this is old news,

but I only just saw the 20March chantey clip from those ALL a cappella country boyz "HOME FREE" (who are very proficient at Beatboxing in their music) and who are all excellent singers/performers,

doing a seasong medley : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLGLUSzzuWU


Cheers, R-J


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,Tony Mannion
Date: 21 Mar 21 - 08:15 PM

Theres,,No Business like Show Business!
No way is this,er , song gonna take over shantying.What is yerselfs all going on about!
Fall on the mainyard bracing stations, and HAUL!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 04:52 PM

BBC News reports; Scottish postman-turned-social media sensation Nathan Evans has reached number one in the UK charts with his version of a 19th Century sea shanty. Evans first found fame on TikTok by singing traditional seafaring songs, before being offered a record deal and giving up his day job.

A pop remix of one song, Wellerman, has spent seven weeks in the top three but has now finally reached the top spot. His rise to number one comes after an appearance on Ant and Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway last weekend.

Wellerman was thought to have been written by New Zealand whalers about an employee of the Weller Brothers shipping company in the 1830s.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 26 Jan 21 - 07:33 AM

Can't think of one off-hand but I'd be absolutely amazed if there isn't a website somewhere that gives a good selection and reliable background history. Reinhard's Mainly Norfolk site will have plenty of info but you'd have to tease it out amongst the rest of the folksongs. Of course you could always direct any young uns here and we old farts would be happy to oblige.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Felipa
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 04:38 PM

a newsclip, with reporters singing along
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJUUcx1KJ-U

thanks for your informative post, Rowan

the Kiffness, who usually makes videos of his own songs, has a youtube video up with his own mix of voices and music added to the chorus of Nathan's Wellerman recording.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,Rowan
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 03:14 PM

I'm a young shanty enthusiast. I might be able to help give some context on the current chantey craze.

TikTok originally started in china as an app for making lip syncing videos. It's got music at the heart of its design. You can overlay music tracks into your videos easily, and you can "duet" other people's videos with your own video to sing collaboratively. All this is just to explain that it's a perfect place for a chantey craze to kick off, especially during covid.

On top of that, I cannot stress enough how much young people like chanteys-- or rather they like the idea of chanteys. Video games with shanty soundtracks are really popular just because of the music, and lots of tv shows aimed at young people have jokes about the idea of shanties (the new Netflix She-Ra is a good example). People in my generation know about sea shanties, but they don't actually really know what they are or where to find them. If they are somehow in a situation where they hear a shanty, they love it, but they have no idea where to find more of that kind of music. It might sound weird, but I've heard it from multiple friends over the years. Folk music can be a little opaque if you are first trying to get into it, and people my age just have no idea where to begin. I actually have a friend right now who keeps texting me to ask me to send her links to songs, because she doesn't know how to find them otherwise, except on TikTok.

I could make something up about the youth of today feeling oppressed by technology and longing for the freedom of the open waves, but really I think it just boils down to the fact that shanties are good. People like them. Kids just didn't know where to listen to them until this TikTok craze.

I'm just excited that my weird interest in shanties is suddenly cool among my friends. Maybe some of them will stick around after the craze is over. Maybe some of them will even learn the difference between a shanty and a forbitter song. Maybe.

Sorry for the wall of text. I'm a longtime mudcat lurker, but this is actually my first time posting.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Felipa
Date: 22 Jan 21 - 05:28 PM

Nathan has signed a record deal according to this report. I hope it doesn't change him too much. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55768333


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Brian Peters
Date: 21 Jan 21 - 05:06 AM

Looking forward to reading that, Steve.

Gibb, I've sent you a PM.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 21 Jan 21 - 01:35 AM

Thank you, Brian.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 20 Jan 21 - 05:55 PM

Just been trawling through loads of early minstrel songs that relate to chanties, but too many to enter here so I'll start a new thread tomorrow.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Brian Peters
Date: 20 Jan 21 - 12:30 PM

Just logged on, anticipating that Gibb might be around these parts, to thank him for his response to ShantyTok, which I found very informative and timely. Thanks, Gibb.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 20 Jan 21 - 05:05 AM

More or Less BBC Radio 4 Tim Harford explains - and sometimes debunks - the numbers and statistics used in political debate.

Will UK fishing quotas increase two thirds in the wake of Brexit? We trawl through the data. Set to a traditional tune!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 11:32 PM

Yes, the visuals don't quite fit. I admire Neely's intellect and breadth of experience. It's clear at the same time that, realistically, he doesn't have a lot of time for research when putting these together. I can tell he used a lot of Wikipedia and Hugill 1961, so he basically presents info from those sources but doesn't always know how to interpret that info (i.e. without more contextual knowledge from research).

He included a clip of me leading a hand-over-hand maneuver, ha. But then when he's talking about halyards etc., he's showing sheets and a lot of bunting.

I'm still of the opinion that that stuff (e.g. how a chanty works at halyards) is irrelevant to "The Wellerman" phenomenon. And we'll notice that halyard chanties are rarely taken up by singers during such spikes in interest. Probably, halyard chanties do not have the musical sound that appeals to people. Ironically, the musical sounds that appeal most are those which are most distant from the sounds that make up the core of the genre. Popular items, if not non-chanties, then at most end up being items most peripheral to the core style of the genre.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 02:36 PM

Excellent stuff, Tim. Adam was very good with the technical aspects but some of the visuals didn't quite fit with what he was explaining. He gave yet another good reason why Wellerman can't be a chanty.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: RTim
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 02:17 PM

A surprisingly good analysis of the TikTok and Shanty situation....by Adam Neely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ovAB4vKzw&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0UWxG5HimonIFp9rNYMe8Y60y0zUEd5rnVwQVkM7mxFoJISQJO-G---Lo


Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 11:12 AM

Hi Phil,
Yes it was good to be reminded of that thread. How the hell did you get that post to come up at the top? Canny!

Your knowledge is something which we would like to see more of. You post a lot of foreign language quotes and not all of us have access to this. It might seem tedious but direct translation and even simplification/explanation would be helpful for those of us linguistically challenged.

One grey area which you might expand on is the term 'cheering songs'. Do you consider this to mean assisting the rhythm of the work?

When I'm studying the Scandi ballads I have plenty of books in translation, but much of what you are posting is new to many of us.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,Calico Jenny
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 08:07 AM

It was fun to learn that Twiddles is considered a sea shanty!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 04:50 PM

Great to see folk music getting some media and social media attention. Hopefully at least some people will go on to find what other treasures we enthusiasts have been fortunate enough to enjoy for many years :-)


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 04:23 PM

Steve: The Advent and Development of Chanties

Because Tik-Tok & campfire songs are supposed to be fun...


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 03:08 PM

'utterly and completely ignorant of the subject matter?'

Speaking for myself only, the answer is YES!

Which is why we're waiting for you to pronounce in language we can understand.

Chanties are only a small part of my likes/interest. All English language traditional song, would be more accurate. But if any of this can be related to other languages, which it often can, then I am also interested, for instance Scandinavian ballads.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 01:19 PM

Let's try something we all can relate to - Most people do not like most songs.

Just like today, the 300BC-1830AD waterfront radio dial would be chock-a-block with work song you do not like.

Shanties are the station you like.

All the other stuff is still there, banging away like Tin Pan Alley and with the same effect on the creative/folk process.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 12:44 PM

Steve: Perhaps because Gibb is primarily concerned with singing, work SONGS.
Playing an instrument might well have the same or similar effect but it is something different.


An instrumental is not work SONG because... no lyrics. Say what?

Gibb presents a very persuasive case that chantying evolved directly from African-American activities.

Without ever once using the word "celeusma" in a sentence, ergo... "Needs improvement." Considered and eliminated or was the author utterly and completely ignorant of the subject matter?

I've read your post history too Steve, same questions.

I'm not arguing what you or Gibb are "concerned with," only the validity of using "likes" as a metric for naval science.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 10:36 AM

Oops 'you're'!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 10:12 AM

Perhaps because Gibb is primarily concerned with singing, work SONGS.
Playing an instrument might well have the same or similar effect but it is something different. As for the African Catholics, you should be presenting your evidence to us in a way we can comprehend, and making the right connections. Gibb presents a very persuasive case that chantying evolved directly from African-American activities. If you can join this up to more African examples and make solid connections we would all be obliged.

'Needs improvement'! Well your obviously the man for the job!


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 08:15 PM

Tik-Tok visitors: Irish Catholic 'shantying' is c.1400 years old, not 600. Columbanus had Greek, Hebrew, Latin, Gaelic &c nouns and verbs for it. None of them would be shanty(ing.)
Not shanty: Heia Viri - Coro de la Universidad Carlos III de Madrid

Observer: I wasn't born at sea but… straight there from the maternity ward. My paternal grandfather was the last of the red hot telodynamic engineers (Google it.) Grampa Conchy would bust out a puirt à beul at the drop of a mallet or dip of an oar. Good times.
Also not shanty: Carolina Chocolate Drops LIVE "Mouth Music"

We understood the sort of thing on Tik-Tok today as the province of Kurt Hahn's Outward Bound culture. They were the nautical equivalent of play or campfire songs. The singers were overly prone to disaster at sea.

The only thing I took from the Gibb article(s) is the good professor still doesn't grok an instrumental or a Catholic African man… “Needs improvement.”


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 05:47 PM

Thanks to vectis for more detail in the source(s) of Weller man.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 05:29 PM

Most of the "shanties" I've heard aren't shanties, but more rightly, sea songs, or has been already noted, forebitters. But I don't want to get too pedantic. If I were to imagine what Pete Seeger would think, the important thing is that people are singing.

Maybe when we can be social again, we'll have a whole new crop of singers at our son session. They may be doing the (as I've just heard on Facebook) the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air shanty, but whatthehell.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Felipa
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 04:46 PM

The Independent newspaper (UK) is another one that is covering the story
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/sea-shanties-lyrics-tiktok-song-meme-b1787155.html

I wonder about the assertion that "fallen out of popular culture for hundreds of years". There was a folk boom in the 1960s and chanteys were among the songs being sung. And then just a few years ago a film about the group Fishermen Friends was in the cinemas.

Was this article shared previously? I have seen some of the videos included it.

Anyway, there is a new article saying basically what we know well, that singing together lifts people's spirits. I read it on MSN and can't find it on The Independent website yet.
I'M AN OFFICER IN THE MERCHANT NAVY – IT’S NO SURPRISE PEOPLE ARE TURNING TO SEA SHANTIES DURING THE PANDEMIC
Thomas Murray 17 Jan 2021
You feel the walls are closing in around your workspace, yet, time ticks on, creating a sense of vastness. You do not know when this sense of confinement will cease. Your thoughts are your cargo. Where is your destination?

Lockdown is very much like an ocean voyage. Your home, a behemoth of a ship on the ocean waves of Covid-19. The destination? Your old life, free of these virus-induced shackles. Reunited with friends and family.

Confined to your quarters, working tirelessly at your computer, you lose your identity as you become a cog in a machine. Ocean, or Covid-19, is all around you – stopping you from being able to feel or to express. Stopping you from becoming the person you want to be.

Spirits are low, but they can be raised. That is exactly what shanties have been doing for those in isolation at sea for centuries. Of all the times for shanties to trend again, it is fitting that they reverberate at the perfect frequency that our lives are currently at.

Songs have been sung on the waves for millennia, but advances in technology and trade in the 17th century pushed sailors onto the ocean in great numbers.

We needed to find our places within the isolation, with little paper and few pens to record stories or provide amusement. The majority didn’t have the education to do so even if there was.

Humans are social creatures by nature, we value our social idiosyncrasies. We are not designed to be confined and isolated – on stable ground, never mind on ships. We take away those freedoms to punish, that’s prison.

Today we are surrounded by music. But it is big business. Plenty is made to purely line pockets. Every shanty was written to tell a story. They have a purpose. To lift your spirits. To connect with your being.

Shanties resonate within us, particularly the choral chant and emotive lyrics. Now, in a time where things feel chaotic and yet dull – with the removal of aspects of your old life and the limited outlets for something different beyond work – the hums and echoes of their tone calm and soothe the soul.

Music itself is such a powerful, emotive tool. At the base of all music, before any percussive instruments or beat, was the human voice. The purest of all forms.

In times of mourning or protest, we gather to chant and sing, it overcomes grief, pain, hard times – and isolation. Take singing away and you take away unity. Shanties are stories, but stories best told together. We are all in this together and social media provides platforms – like Tik Tok – that are some of the biggest storytelling mediums in history.

There is one overriding emotion that brings all of us all together, no matter your personality, future goals, wants and needs. That is hope. Hope that something better is around the corner, or that a good thing will last. That is true whether you are introvert or extrovert.

Shanties are making waves on our biggest social platforms for that reason. They are providing this subconscious emotion in their rhythms and rhymes.

We may not relate to the content of their stories, but we all can relate to the idea of unity in harmony. The feeling that times will be better when we complete our voyage and reach our destination of a post-Covid life.

Thomas Murray is a navigational officer in the Merchant Navy with 13 years of service


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: vectis
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 03:30 PM

Origins of the "Wellerman" song
Neil Colquhoun (Auckland, NZ) collected "Soon May the Wellerman Come" in about 1966 from someone called F. R. Woods.
Mr. Woods, who was then in his 80s, told Colquhoun he had learnt this song and also the song "John Smith A.B.," from his uncle.

"John Smith AB" was printed in The Bulletin Sydney in 1904, where it was attributed to D. H. Rogers (and contributed by F. R. Woods?)

It is possible that D. H. Rogers was the uncle of F. R. Woods' and that it was he who composed "Soon may the Wellerman Come" and "John Smith A.B."

If Rogers had been born around about 1820, then he could have been a teenaged sailor and/or shore whaler around NZ in the late 1830s, settled in Australia, written the shanties in his later years as his composing skills developed, and then taught them to his nephew in his 70s-early 80s, some time between 1890 and 1904.

Jim Delahunty (Wellington, NZ) et al. (The Song Spinners) recorded Wellerman in 1967 and Neil Colquhoun published it in the 2nd edition of Song of a Young Country, (Reed NZ, 1972).

Another edition of this book was published in England (Bailey Brothers and Swinfen 1972). This was purchased in Scotland by American chantyman Chris Morgan, who added Wellerman to his repetoire. He lent the book to Maine folksinger Gordon Bok who also sung and recorded it.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 02:10 PM

Henry,
Another good reason for spelling chanty the old way. The 2 genres of course entirely separate but you will find both in Doerflinger. I can't think of any that crossed the boundary but there may well be a couple in there. Some loggers were also seamen at different seasons.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,The Sandman
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 10:15 AM

Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,Observer
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 10:51 AM

Wonder how many people expressing their opinions on Chanties/Shanty's or whatever you may want to call them have ever actually worked at sea on the deck of a ship, handled sail, or manned pumps or capstans. My guess would be very few of them.

I have actually done all of those things at various times in my life and not once was anything done to song, so I would tend to agree with
- EBarnacle Date: 15 Jan 21 - 05:21 PM. Too much going on and far too many things to concentrate on, for any singing. quote#
   Yes, Chris Rpche.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 08:50 AM

The Observer today; How a Scottish postie's simple sea shanty struck a global chord
Nathan Evans's viral TikTok covers have sparked a huge surge in interest in the formerly neglected genre, making him an overnight sensation.
Observer


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 08:21 AM

Narrating a voyage in a clipper ship from Bombay to New York City in the early 1860s, Clark wrote, "The anchor came to the bow with the chanty of 'Oh, Riley, Oh,' and 'Carry me Long.'" G. E. Clark's Seven Years of a Sailor's Life, 1867. (Wikipedia)

In 1951 William Doerflinger recognised that the worlds of both seamen and loggers shared the word shanty. Shantymen and Shantyboys; William M. Doerflinger (New York, 1951).

As I understand, sea shanties were originally unaccompanied work songs, led by a shanty-man. Whereas the songs loggers sang in their shanties were generally descriptive of the shantyboy's day-to-day routine. The two repertoires have usually been distinguished.

Songs and Ballads of the Maine Lumberjacks; Roland P. Gray (Cambridge, Mass., 1924)

Ballads and Songs of the Shanty-Boy; Franz Rickaby (ibid., 1926)

Songs of the Michigan Lumberjacks Recorded by Alan Lomax and Harry B. Welliver Library of Congress Washington 1980
When Alan Lomax made a two-and-a-half-month survey of Michigan folk-song for the Library of Congress in 1938, one of his primary objects was the location of the remaining survivors of the lumberwoods singing tradition.

Lumbering Songs from the Ontario Shanties; Various Artists
Canadian folk song authority Edith Fowke recorded men who decades earlier had ventured into the North Woods of Ontario to cut timber. Known as lumbermen, shanty boys, or lumberjacks, the men endured both cold and substantial danger.

Sea Shanties and Loggers' Songs; Sam Eskin
This fascinating collection of work songs is the product of Eskin's wandering and includes extensive notes about life in logging camps.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 05:45 AM

Yes, light news! They went on to discuss Covid vaccination, a perfect subject for lazy listening.


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Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys All Over The News [TikTok]
From: JHW
Date: 17 Jan 21 - 05:41 AM

Of course it was Rambling Sid. A real cnanty wouldn't have been funny.
Broadcasting House is a light news Sunday breakfast lazy listen.
I remember Subscriber Trunk Dialling but thankfully not my wedding night.


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