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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 05 May 21 - 05:09 PM

The links below are for the Atkins 20 plan which has the lowest carbs per day, but there is a page which compares the different Atkins plans:

Compare the Atkins plans

Personally, I would probably do the Atkins 100 and then if I thought it was working well and if I needed to tighten the restrictions I'd consider whether to go on one of the stricter plans. Ease into it gently.

Atkins 20

Atkins diet overview with a quick reference chart of foods for each phase.

The foods for each phase are explained, e.g.

List of Low Carb Foods for Atkins 20, Phase 1

There is no need to buy any of the Atkins food products. The list of foods for each phase shows a healthy range of vegetables, fruit and proteins and they are all available at supermarkets etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 05 May 21 - 04:10 PM

Sorry, I meant I love Middle Eastern AND Mediterranean. Because you mentioned hummus, falafel, babaghanouj I zeroed in on the Middle Eastern foods and then realised I had missed out on saying my other faves like Greek, Turkish, Italian, etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jos
Date: 05 May 21 - 03:10 PM

I tried okra once. It was horribly slimey.
I have since heard that there is a solution to the slime, I think it involved salt and vinegar - soaking, maybe.
I find that a simpler solution is just not to use okra.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 05 May 21 - 02:42 PM

Yay, Mrrzy! Milestones reached!

And Maggie, the Middle Eastern "diet" is my favourite food. I love all the ME foods you mentioned - but not okra, mainly because I ate it once about 40 years ago and I wasn't impressed.

My favourite ME cookbook is by Claudia Roden. I bought it in the '80's or early '90's and had to buy a replacement copy because I had worn the old one out. I love it.

And Yay! for your cataract operations. I had mine a few years ago and it was fantastic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 May 21 - 09:20 AM

I mentioned Atkins as one that seems unhealthy, but obviously there are interpretations to consider.

If I were to name a target "diet" it would be the Mediterranean diet (which isn't actually a think like a book is it?). The types of foods from that region. My favorite cookbooks is a Middle East compendium that covers a lot of the dishes I consider from that region. Hummus, falafel, babaghanouj, etc. Since my garden in this region of Texas is especially good at growing Mediterranean-type crops, I'm set.

All of this is coming at me at once; the physical exam and blood work that revealed the hypothyroid was the one to approve cataract surgery. I'm hoping by the end of May to have a clearer brain and clear vision. I'm going for one standard Medicare lens (that eye doesn't need correction otherwise) and one of the higher-end ones to correct the astigmatism. Those, along with my knee replacement a year ago and I tell people I'm entering my "Bionic Phase." ;-) I won't be able to do any lifting for a week after each eye, but I struggled mightily to put the garden in ahead of all of this so it can grow while I watch from the driveway.

One of my crops is okra, and while I can't say I enjoy it in all of it's forms, that's because I didn't grow up down here where it grows so well. But I'm eating more of it each year. I have figured out that to pickle the extras is a great way to make the neighbors happy (gifting jars of the pickles). They're a healthy snack.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 May 21 - 09:06 AM

Indeed, DC. One of my worries was that I kept losing weight and did not want to, but that seems to not be a worry any more, yay for my mental health.

I had a half-cup of decaf the other day and did not go crazy. It was sooooooo goooooood...


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 05 May 21 - 12:30 AM

Also, the Atkins diet has a kickstart stage which looks daunting, but it is followed fairly soon after by a healthier balance of foods, so it's important to read about the stages before you start. Otherwise you might scare yourself by just looking at stage 1.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 04 May 21 - 11:31 PM

Maggie, I didn't have to go on a special diet. When the pills kicked in the weight started going away. It was mostly fluid retention, I think, so a diet would have made little difference.

What I mostly remember about that time was that my brain was like mushy porridge. I couldn't think straight, and every sound seemed really loud and annoying. I was sitting in a library with some of my students and all I could hear was the loud whooshing of the air conditioners, which I had never noticed before - or since.

My main suggestion for the Atkins diet is to read the original Atkins information and not the myriad of people who think they know what it's about, don't have the original information but are happy to sound off about it. It's mostly lots of veges or salad and protein.

But also avoid white carbs - pasta, rice, potatoes, white bread etc - and substitute vege based carbs like carrots, sweet potato, etc and use legumes for some of your protein. One of my fave recipes is to mash up white beans or canellini beans or chickpeas (instead of mashed potato) and add fried onion and other veges, feta cheese, whatever flavours take your fancy, shape them into patties, coat them in panko breadcrumbs and shallow fry them. Yum! The beans hold the patties in shape, but also add protein to the meal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 May 21 - 10:20 PM

That pretty well describes my symptoms. The doctor wants about half of calories in protein - that is a LOT of protein. A co-worker was on the Atkins diet one time, I looked into it - there isn't a faster way to constipate yourself than go on that diet. I'll have to do some research (and possibly read through the rest of this thread).


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 04 May 21 - 07:08 PM

I was diagnosed with hypoactive (i.e. underactive) thyroid about 20 years ago. I'm on the tablet for life.

For the few months before being diagnosed I was an overweight, fatigued, brain-fuddled mess but after the medication kicked in I started getting back to normality.

I found out that a person who had recently "recovered" from glandular fever and was back at work very kindly (not!) gave me a case of Hashimoto's disease.

Sorry, not keto-related. Back to the topic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 May 21 - 06:36 PM

Ah, well, a medical need popped up (finally - and it's good to know what's going on.) I'll give myself a couple of weeks then I'll be doing the alternate day fasting, but making a point of kicking out more of the processed flour I've added back into my diet over a couple of years since the PMR cleared up. It turns out the thyroid was running low and it'll be another week at least before I begin to feel the effects of the daily tablet on an empty stomach. Then perhaps the extra weight gained over the winter will subside. I'm not doing keto but the doctor wants fewer carbs and fats and more protein.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 04 May 21 - 06:17 PM

I appear to have stopped losing weight, 5 lbs short of bmi<25. Hmmm.

Mrrzy,
I thought that you were looking to the keto diet because you had noticed that complex carbs disrupted your mental health, rather than for weight loss.

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 04 May 21 - 04:01 PM

Thanks Jack. Interesting article.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 May 21 - 02:39 PM

This is a fairly sane description of some of the issues around the BMI measure.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/255712

It gets a lot of hysterical rant from pro-fatness zealots, using much the same sort of spin doctoring as the anti-vaxx gang. Historically it was developed as a simple and easy to calculate formula that correlated with empirical risk. It works reasonably well, and there is a very large volume of data using it - an improved measure like the one suggested in that article might well work better for some purposes, but you'd still want to use that old data. And the pro-fatness zealots don't want there to be ANY measure that might describe the damage to individual and public health caused by obesity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 May 21 - 07:49 AM

Oh yeah, no, it was just a marker. But it woulda been nice.

The better thing is that I can buy clothes, if I have really stopped...


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 03 May 21 - 05:17 PM

Hi Mrrzy,

Weight loss can plateau. Sometimes you can kickstart it again, but sometimes it's almost like the body's sense of its own "ideal weight". A BMI of 25 is not bad.

I read somewhere that the BMI calculation was invented by an insurance company statistician who was looking for a way to decide who was a good insurance risk, from a financial viewpoint. He did a comparison on obesity rates and age at death. It wasn't invented by medical experts, so it isn't the only measure of your health that you can use.

In other words, don't place too much pressure on yourself based on BMI. Look at the bigger picture.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 May 21 - 04:11 PM

I appear to have stopped losing weight, 5 lbs short of bmi<25. Hmmm.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Apr 21 - 07:44 AM

I lost all want of toast with breakfast. Rice, and potatos and pasta still are a problem but small purple potatos and proportionality takes care of craving starch.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Apr 21 - 11:23 PM

Mary, my favorite lentil soup recipe is from Egypt. 6 cups water (it tastes better than using stock), a medium chopped onion, 1 1/2 cup lentils, cooked for 45 minutes, then add 1/2 teaspoon cumin, a little salt, grind of black pepper to taste, and a tablespoon of lemon juice. It really is delicious and is good for you (I try to get lots of oats and beans for the cholesterol lowering properties).


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 18 Apr 21 - 07:22 PM

Congratulations.

Anything that gets you more tests and measurements has to be for the better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Apr 21 - 07:01 PM

And one answered!

The data are looking better for keto and bipolar (http://ketobipolar.com/)

The data are looking better for long-term keo and health
(https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100216163531.htm)

And they might do a case study on me.

Will watch for kidney stones and bone density issues (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6985427/).

Woot!


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 08:43 AM

Finally found an actual research article. Have contacted the authors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Apr 21 - 06:26 PM

Oh, totz!


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Apr 21 - 09:08 AM

I think we just have to accept that you are unhinged Mrrzy :-D

(In the nicest possible way of course)


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Apr 21 - 08:58 AM

Tried lowGI carbs, just some, for a few days... Then realized I was spending money like it was water and losing my temper with my friends for being exactly the way they always were. So have stopped. And returned the 50" TV that was medium in the store but waaay to big for my actual living room.

A little hypomania goes a loong way...


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Apr 21 - 09:19 AM

Yeah, that's what worries me. I have no noticeable symptoms. I fear the effects I don't notice.

One thing occurs to me: what were our ancestors' sources of carbs before the domestication of grain? I know we evolved to crave them because they were rare. Could ketosis actually have been normal in those high and far-off days?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Apr 21 - 06:11 AM

There are good GI tables out there. If I remember right, channa dhal is much lower than lentils and the lowest-GI legume of all is one traditionally eaten by the Australian Aboriginals.

But if ketosis is the therapeutic mechanism for treatment of seizures and bipolarity, this is not all that important. The keto side effects will be unavoidable. Much like the effects of carbamazepine, another treatment used for both conditions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: mg
Date: 03 Apr 21 - 08:22 PM

a greek restaurant in seattle gave me directions for large pot of lentil soup for a camp. Basically lentils, water, salt, I think bay leaf..maybe rosemary...main additions were vinegar and olive oil at the end. it is delicious. From Costa's restaurant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 03 Apr 21 - 03:25 PM

Thanks Raedwulf for your explanation:

"The GI Index is not a simple measure of how much carb X contains. It's supposed to be a measure of how quickly human digestion absorbs whatever carbs are in the stomach."

That makes a lot of sense to me. I read about GI when it first became a talked-about topic, but that was quite a while ago so I forgot the details of how it works.

You also said:

"I think it was Helen who mentioned 'Trust Me, I'm A Doctor' saying that 'cooled carbs' was an entirely new discovery".

To clarify, I didn't say it was a new discovery. I just happened to see it on the Trust Me.. show, so a new discovery for me! LOL. It surprised me that cooking and cooling the carbs could make a difference.

Mrrzy, lentils and hummus are great! I probably said this before, but maybe not in this thread. I use red lentils to thicken stews or soup instead of flour. I also think - trying frantically to look back through my cluttered and ageing brain-database - that there are pastas made from lentils or legumes, but also flour made from chickpeas etc. Hubby has used a grinder to grind red lentils to make a flour for a dish he made and it worked well.

I'm a bit partial to red lentils because they break down easily into a dish, but other lentils keep their shape and texture and more easily become the star of the show, for example in Indian curries etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Raedwulf
Date: 03 Apr 21 - 01:25 PM

The comment (DavetG will recognise this phenomenon instantly) used to be that a thread had been "Keithed" (He of Blessed Memory; blessed because he is now a Mudcat memory...). Now you could use a different name, but the mods have been getting more strict (hurrah!) about 'personal attacks', so I will only say that I dropped out of this after Someone Else decided to get involved (it should be fairly obvious who).

I submit that until we know how to manage...

Essentially, robo, that's what I said way back up at 16/2 somewhere. Folk like to declare stuff, especially if the folk in question wants to sell you something. But nutrition/diet is about as complex as you can get & the studies we have are not sufficiently long-term or all-encompassing to prove anything. All of it, at the moment, is "best guess" territory. There are very good reasons for doubting that the supposedly perfect "balanced" diet is in any way suitable for Homo Sap.

GI Index - There seems to be a little confusion above about this. The GI Index is not a simple measure of how much carb X contains. It's supposed to be a measure of how quickly human digestion absorbs whatever carbs are in the stomach. I think it was Helen who mentioned "Trust Me, I'm A Doctor" saying that "cooled carbs" was an entirely new discovery... No it's not. Michel Montignac pre-dates "Trust Me" by some years. As far as I remember... Imagine a tsp of pure glucose. That's 100 on the GI index. When it hits your digestive system, it (more or less) goes straight into your bloodstream. A tsp of water is 0 GI; it's got no carbs at all. Pretty much anything else is somewhere in between.

Yes, "cooled starches" reduce their carbiness (retrogradation is the technical term, I believe). On Montignac's scale, IIRC, 'cold' carbs drop about 5 pts compared with 'just cooked' ones. The amount of carb doesn't change; just the rate at which you absorb them. And that is a key point of the GI Index. 1 Tsp of monosaccharide sugar (glucose) has a higher GI than 1 tsp of polysaccharide sugar - the body has to expend energy breaking it down (that's a whole other issue!). The point of the low GI diet is that you reduce / eliminate the 'straight into the bloodstream' carbs. Eat a flapjack (oats are low-GI) rather than a packet of sweets (pure sugar!) sort of thing.

I could say a lot more. I've been keenly interested in diet (in a strictly amateur but definitely in a neutral & analytic way) for many years. But if you don't care enough to ask about or challenge what I've just said, typing more now would be a waste of everyone's time! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Apr 21 - 09:56 AM

Totz. I did find that pasta, rice, couscous, taters, and bread all had the same effect, but I am gonna look into adding low gi carbs. I like lentils and hummous, for instance. And berries.

Good thought, my Gnome friend.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 21 - 03:01 AM

There are odd anomalies though. Like chips (fries) are lower than baked potatoes because the fat that chips are fried in lowers the absorption rate.

Just struck me too. It may not be purely carbs that affect your mental health. Could it be the blood sugar spikes produced by high GI carbs? If so, GI may be worth investigating.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Apr 21 - 02:55 AM

Yes, Glycemic Index. Highest is Glucose. Lowest GI foods are stoned fruits and beans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Apr 21 - 01:15 AM

GI? Glycemic index?

Nutritionist says watch for B vitamin deficiency, but nothing says long-term keto is bad, but since most people can't stick to it, data are sparse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Mar 21 - 08:15 AM

Low GI is a good alternative to no carbs. You get carbs but the lower the GI, the slower they release into your body and the better you can handle them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Mar 21 - 07:42 AM

Oops *next* Friday.

Yeah, I can do the no carbs but not the high fat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 07:29 PM

Yeah, mate!! I want to know what's happening with you.

I did a bit of a quick Google on using keto to alleviate seizures and one page I saw recommended a couple of other diets which are a bit easier to follow.

Dietary Therapies for Epilepsy

"Other diets

Regardless of the effectiveness of the ketogenic diet, many people discontinue it because of its unpalatable and restrictive features. There is no question that the ketogenic diet can be difficult to follow, or you may want to transition to a less structured diet.

Dietary options for epilepsy have expanded in recent years to include:

    "The Modified Atkins Diet (MAD): which is a less restrictive variation of the ketogenic diet and can be started at home without a fast. There is unlimited protein and fat intake, and does not restrict calories or fluids.
    "The Low-Glycemic Index (Low GI) treatment diet: which does not necessarily cause ketosis, and may instead reduce seizures by lowering glucose levels in the blood and possibly in brain cells.

"While still restrictive compared to a “normal” diet, these diets are easier to incorporate into normal life and easier to follow when eating out. The scientific evidence for their effectiveness is still in early stages and varies greatly between studies."

There are a lot more pages you can look at, but one also said that high cholesterol is a possible side effect of the keto diet.

Helen


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 06:57 PM

Conferring with nutritionist Friday. Shall I report back?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 09:53 AM

Aand my cholesterol, long diet-controlled, has gone outa whack.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Mar 21 - 04:49 PM

I need to reread The Phantom Tollbooth. That is where I learned about jumping to conclusions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Mar 21 - 03:30 AM

Everyone here gets enough exercise jumping to conclusions, flying off the handle, carrying things too far, dodging responsibilities and pushing their luck :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 12:21 PM

They also didn't spend most of their spare time sat on their arses, eyes glued to screens...


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 04:32 AM

Well it didn't include burgers & chips from Maccas or fried chicken from KFC, that's for sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Mar 21 - 02:53 AM

One of the most startling pieces of raw historical data I've ever seen was the diary of the head gardener at Dalkeith Palace for the decades around 1800. As well as describing how he ran the garden, he met all the celebrity visitors and got to record their height and weight. They were astonishingly small and light by modern standards. By far the heaviest, out in a class of his own, was "Monsieur", later the Bourbon King Louis XVIII. At 13 stone. So whatever the diet and exercise regime of the Georgian aristocracy was, it was bloody effective at weight control.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 18 Mar 21 - 08:08 PM

robomatic, I think - but don't know the full evidence - that crash dieting e.g. The Biggest Loser TV show type of dieting, losing weight, then going back to bad eating habits and gaining weight can lead to yo-yo dieting and this can affect the metabolism. This is just a quick reflection on some of the things I have read or seen on reputable, scientific documentaries.

One thing I remember hearing about was that after the fat cells in a person's body are reduced in size they still have the capacity to get larger again - or maybe they multiply - but the problem lies in having a large fat storage capacity and then reducing that capacity and then increasing it again, especially time and again.

I'm just about to go out so I can't research it and give you more specific information but it might be worthwhile looking into that.

Ultimately, in my opinion, it comes back to changing eating habits *for life* to a healthy, balanced diet with lots of good nutritious food and a healthy lifestyle and not falling into the trap of losing weight and then *rewarding* myself with junk food and then spiralling back into old bad habits.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Mar 21 - 07:39 PM

I said I was leaving this thread and not coming back. I lied. I simply had to encourage all here to google this from today's Guardian:

"Thanks for all the dietary advice. Don't expect me to pay attention to any of it." (Jay Rayner)

Thank God for the truly sane!

Back to my hole...


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Mar 21 - 07:07 PM

To reiterate myself, I've only lost major weight by something very like keto. And my long term worry is that I might be lowering my resting metabolism or weight 'set point' (and maybe already have). So how do I maintain control over that vital linkage to weight?


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Mar 21 - 10:56 AM

The video does say that the *reasoning* behind raw and paleo is poor, but that keto is just really hard to do, and that most people who claimed to be doing it, weren't, really. I thought that interesting.
I agree with the reasoning on paleo and raw. I agree that keto is hard to accomplish, and that I am not following it as designed (I am not hi-fat, just low-carb). However I did not find that the video said that it was poorly reasoned, or otherwise stupid. Which, as I said, I found interesting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Spearcarrier
Date: 18 Mar 21 - 01:55 AM

Keto worked great for me when i was doing it. It's VERY HARD for me to lose weight. The problem is following the keto diet proved to be too large of an obstacle. Sometimes there's no time, or worse, no money.


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Subject: RE: BS: Keto diet - anybody try it? Like it?
From: Helen
Date: 18 Mar 21 - 01:44 AM

Thanks robomatic. That was interesting.


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