BS: MARS in the Headlights

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: JHW
Date: 20 Apr 21 - 03:56 PM

Good job they didn't use the Wrong Brothers.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Apr 21 - 11:03 AM

Bully for NASA and the yankee rebels!

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Apr 21 - 07:34 AM

woo Hoo

close up of cosmic whale

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: robomatic
Date: 19 Apr 21 - 07:03 AM

SUCCESS!
20210419
The flight had of course already occurred this morning, but the data download came through just before 7 AM EST. Ingenuity, the helicopter on Mars, successfully took off, achieved a height of approx 3 meters, photographed the Mars surface including its shadow, and was photographed by the lander Perseverance with a short video.

"We've just had our Wright Brothers moment!"

Happy Patriots Day (Anniversary of the Battles of Lexington and Concord and the start of the War of Independence in 1775).

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Apr 21 - 07:01 AM

heh heh

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 02:21 PM

I think in Mars' case terraforming awaits orbital reassignment.

Details at 11.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 01:22 PM

Terraforming is a constant idea.. though largely a pipe dream, like mining the asteroids. Science fiction has lots of theories.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 12:07 PM

The release of ingenuitiy's spores and bacteria are on hold? 8^(
Thats gonna delay the cockroaches for sure.

I bet terraforming is still being considered.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Apr 21 - 01:04 AM

According to the internet, Ingenuity it did not complete a rotation test and the actual first flight has been postponed until Wednesday pending successful test.

Back to watching Star Trek reruns

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: EBarnacle
Date: 10 Apr 21 - 11:19 AM

It did fly, apparently quite successfully.
When I saw the title of this thread, as an active Ham operator, I thought of Military Amateur Radio Service, which is still connecting members of the service with families and friends around the planet for free.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 09:05 PM

The Mars drone Ingenuity may fly for the first time this Sunday 11 April 2021.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 08:21 PM

There will be NASA update Friday

FRIDAY 5 MARCH
8:30 PM Greenwich (ZULU)
3:30 PM EST
12:30 PM PST

Meanwhile, someone posted a set of stills from the Mars Perseverance probe with some background music, probably not from the probe:

The sun from MARS

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 03:18 PM

...and who to trust.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 07:02 AM

"Education to my mind is not to fill a mind with current theory and understood fact, but to teach the mind to teach itself and furnish an awareness of how wrong things can go."

That's it. Other required elements are firing up enthusiasm and curiosity, showing the connectedness of things and developing the skill to see patterns. My numero uno hobby horse, apropos of your last point, is to be ultra-sceptical of new things you are told and demand evidence (real evidence) at all times. The facts will follow naturally. But you simply must learn your times tables... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 06:29 AM

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/2103/Helicopter_Mars2020_3811.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 06:28 AM

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Feb 21 - 10:52 AM

The total cost of the F-35 was 1.9 Trillion dollars. A total waste although robo was impressed.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Feb 21 - 05:19 PM

persevevernce takes a selfie https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/2102/PIA24264.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 05:33 AM

Dare mighty things

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 21 - 07:06 PM

Robo has caught fire.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Feb 21 - 06:10 PM

There was a great press conference yesterday. I ate it up. Don'l has linked to the footage I described earlier, where all the various landing linked cameras took pictures of various parts of the Mars landing procedure, which went as flawlessly as possible. In the press conference, the various responsible parties gave fascinating accounts of their approaches, problems, and solutions, many of which were to get off-the-shelf parts and devices, but then configure them for cleanliness and space dust.

I believe in education, but defining education and practising good education and the issue of moral or ethical use of said education rapidly leads to -discussion-. I believe that the French have reputable and long established schools for people in government bureaucracy and presumably many of them become elected officials. Can we say that France is better off than other European countries with those establishments?

Many people are educated idiots. It doesn't save them from being idiots. And that includes technical education. Education, as in 'school' can also stifle thought. Education to my mind is not to fill a mind with current theory and understood fact, but to teach the mind to teach itself and furnish an awareness of how wrong things can go.

When Galileo wrote about rings of Saturn and moons of Jupiter, he was describing new things unknown by Archimedes. That was close to a radical act in his era. Education at his time was under strict control, as though knowledge can be 'managed'.

Watching and hearing these young and not-so-young scientists, engineers, and designers talk about the adventure of putting together their robots and rockets is incredibly inspiring and educational in the truest sense of that word.

"The mind is not a vessel to be filled, but a fire to be kindled." - Plutarch

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Feb 21 - 09:06 AM

NASA video

There is also a phone app to get new pics as they are released

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 21 - 03:15 PM

dream

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 21 - 03:10 PM

Zzzz snore

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Feb 21 - 03:07 PM

It is hard to see how education has benifited some. Shall we count the ways. Even as trolls go they are perfectly mediocre.

Mr. Sandman (yes) bring us a dream
Give him a pair of eyes with a "come-hither" gleam
Give him a lonely heart like Pagliacci
And lots of wavy hair like Liberace
Mr. Sandman, someone to hold (some-one-to-hold)
Would be so peachy before we're too old

Mr. Grandstand Turn on your magic beam
Mr. Sandman, bring us a dream

a dream like driving
driving on Mars.
beneath the red sky
at night all the stars.
its not a Morris
like some UK small cars.
Mr. Sandman turn on your high beams

Mr Sandman
turn on some tunes
music in thin air
sounds like bad fumes
don't try to grow even one potato
or even leafy legumes
Its just too damn cold.

Mr. Sandman...

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Feb 21 - 01:44 PM

No, I have not.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Feb 21 - 01:13 PM

I wonder how one can discern, just from watching someone driving a car, that the driver was doing it in a proprietorial manner.

I also wonder just what was the "flash" car, the only cars we ever owned have either been bought and paid for and frankly what we do with our money has got fuck all to do with you.

Nevertheless, I see it's my turn again to be got at, well you're leaving others alone for a while.

I care not one whit what you think, but I have to ask you one question have you been arguing with the wife again.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Feb 21 - 12:22 PM

Raggytash , the last time i saw you ,you were driving round whitby in a flash car in what appeared to be a proprietorial manner as if you owned the town, each to their own,, fair enough ,A chacun son gout

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Feb 21 - 09:46 AM

Nonsense, Raggytash, you made total sense...

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Feb 21 - 09:19 AM

It would seem according to the argument put forward that my education was indeed wasted.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Feb 21 - 05:20 AM

You should know by now I don't do stats or research. I do need to open a jar of Sainsbury's Strawberry Conserve for my wife and plan tomorrow's tax saving work. What are you doing for your wife Sandman??

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Feb 21 - 04:57 AM

bonzo, that suits politicians, because it keeps the unemployment figures down,
my point is that if a country wishes to do the best for the whole nation , they need to ensure that the whole population has the opportunity to be educated, unless the whole population has the opportunity to be educated we will not get the best brains. Anation will not get the best out of its population if university educationis restricted to those who can afford to pay
   there may be a proprtion that" go to university to supposedly study for irrelevant degrees" quote.
The bigger the catchment of people allowed to enter university based on academic merit[ rather than abilty to pay, the more the country will benefit
."A good proportion of young people who go to university are time wasters"
can you provide stats to indicate the exact proportion, or is this just an uninformed opinion

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Feb 21 - 03:40 AM

A good proportion of young people who go to university are time wasters, supposedly studying for totally irrelevant degrees, who are deliberately putting off the day to cast their useless selves into the job market.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Feb 21 - 02:39 AM

that is not the point , education has an immediate effect it also has a long term effect . anyone who says that education does not have an immediatede effect is taking bull shit .
BILL D IT DOES TELL US SOMETHING USEFUl.
Education is all important, but even more importnt is how we educate., the poor quality of politicians and civil servants is a result pertly of poor education, and not bothering to educate all members of society, you will not get the best results if you only educate those who can afford to pay for university education.   
    people who are not taught to think ahead, to anitcipate and solve problems, will not make the best polticians or civil servants, the consequence of this for society is that we lose the innovators the problem solvers and Consequentially society will be poorer, we need
those who challenge the established. order a case in point was Galileo.

which brings us to immediate pressing problems that need to be solved... a pandemic. a pandemic that might recur.
The usa should be spending the money it has spent on this folly on redesigning and altering government buildings schools hospitals so that they are custom built to design with covid 19 that is the pressing priority, it also is keynsian economics, and will boost the economy while saving lives

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Feb 21 - 06:51 PM

None of those tell us anything useful or new...
Trivial, tautological or circular
... and I know of much wasted 'education' ...and knowledge is often rejected for years before it can educate anyone.

too many examples to list.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Feb 21 - 04:05 PM

Education shows immediate results
Education is not wasted on anybody.
People who are not educated, Lack Knowledge.
Anybody who says education shows no immediate results is uneducated.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Feb 21 - 08:42 AM

Perhaps we should close the schools and spend that budget on Covid research, I mean to say education shows no immediate results.

In fact I would go further and say education is wasted on some people.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Feb 21 - 03:36 AM

Everything from weather data to personal communications across a broad spectrum that includes, for example, water purification systems, cancer detection devices, heart pumps, fire resistant materials etc etc.

Oxygen, don't forget oxygen (from CO₂) - without it you can't say:   A Mars a day helps you work rest and play

(was this only a UK ad?)

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Feb 21 - 03:30 AM

they should be spending this money on defeating covid

Weeeeeeeeeeeeell, maybe, at least Dolly Parton did! And nobody tells her how to spend her money, no suuuuuuree.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: robomatic
Date: 20 Feb 21 - 02:29 AM

The answer WAS a question.
Maybe it still is.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: The Sandman
Date: 20 Feb 21 - 02:17 AM

Someone asked: "What use is it?" To which Benjamin Franklin answered: "What use is a newborn baby?"
that does not answer the question

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: robomatic
Date: 19 Feb 21 - 06:23 PM

Apparently the landing operation was heavily documented with GoPros and there will be a stitchin together of the actual landing in glorious color.

As for those who wonder at the relatively small expense all this exploration is costing, back in the 1780s the Montefiore Brothers sent up what I think was the first hot air balloon, and they even had a payload basket with some animals in it. The large balloon wafted with the breeze catching the eyes of thousands. When the gasbag cooled and it came down it was attacked iwth pitchforks by local farmers. Among the onlookers was one American. You may have heard of him.

Someone asked: "What use is it?" To which Benjamin Franklin answered: "What use is a newborn baby?"

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Feb 21 - 04:11 PM

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/2102/Mars_Perseverance_FLR_0000_0666952977_800.jpg

better pictures to follow
This was from the left front collision avoidance camera.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 19 Feb 21 - 03:12 PM

Keystone Kops?

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Feb 21 - 02:44 PM

Uniformed nonsense, never come across that before :-)

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Feb 21 - 01:40 PM

Oh yeah, read it, reread it, even liked the movie!

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Feb 21 - 01:37 PM

Image result for the richest man in the world 2021
Key Takeaways. Elon Musk is the CEO and co-founder of Tesla; CEO, leader designer, and founder of SpaceX; CEO and founder of Neuralink; and founder of The Boring Company. With an estimated net worth of $197 billion, he is the richest man in the world.25 Jan 2021

if you think this guy is concerned about the environment of planet earth, you are either naive or thick

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Feb 21 - 01:31 PM

Raggy tash , you cannot predict the future any more than anyone else you are talking uniformed nonsense, further more to spend 435 million on your long shot is idiocy. Consumer capitalismm,and the WASTE society HAS CAUSED THIS MESS.. WHY NOT RECTIFY IT
who is behind this idiocy ,the richest man in the world.

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Feb 21 - 12:34 PM

Mrrzy, have you ever read the "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" series by Douglas Adams ............ I think you may be enjoy them!

Subject: RE: BS: MARS in the Headlights
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 19 Feb 21 - 12:24 PM

There was another such landing back in July 1997 (I was actually in New York on a stopover when repatriating from Australia to England), as mentioned in this WalkaboutsVerse poem "Efficiency"