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16th century broadside ballad discovery

Stower 10 Mar 21 - 03:48 PM
Steve Gardham 10 Mar 21 - 04:24 PM
Stower 10 Mar 21 - 05:10 PM
Steve Gardham 11 Mar 21 - 08:59 AM
GUEST,David 11 Mar 21 - 09:01 AM
Steve Gardham 11 Mar 21 - 10:19 AM
Gordon Jackson 11 Mar 21 - 10:59 AM
Stower 11 Mar 21 - 11:33 AM
GUEST,.gargoyle 11 Mar 21 - 11:34 AM
leeneia 11 Mar 21 - 11:57 AM
GUEST,# 11 Mar 21 - 12:02 PM
leeneia 11 Mar 21 - 02:20 PM
Stower 11 Mar 21 - 04:45 PM
GUEST,Anne Lister sans cookie 14 Mar 21 - 10:33 AM
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Subject: 16th century broadside ballad discovery
From: Stower
Date: 10 Mar 21 - 03:48 PM

While researching the Elizabethan stage clown Richard Tarleton, I discovered the words of a broadside ballad of 1588, 'A pretie new ballad, intituled willie and peggie', and its music, and reunited them, for the first time since the 16th century, as far as I am aware. The song is a tribute to Tarleton and tells his story. To read about the process and hear the ballad performed, click here to go to the article.


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Subject: RE: 16th century broadside ballad discovery
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 10 Mar 21 - 04:24 PM

A masterful account, Ian. I enjoyed reading it. There are some parallels with Joe Grimaldi from a century later.


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Subject: RE: 16th century broadside ballad discovery
From: Stower
Date: 10 Mar 21 - 05:10 PM

Thank you so much, Steve. :-)


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Subject: RE: 16th century broadside ballad discovery
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 Mar 21 - 08:59 AM

Well played and sung. The tune seems to have some affinity with The Miller of the Dee.


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Subject: RE: 16th century broadside ballad discovery
From: GUEST,David
Date: 11 Mar 21 - 09:01 AM

Thanks for coming across this piece. A wonderful ballad and masterfully played & sung on the video.


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Subject: RE: 16th century broadside ballad discovery
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 11 Mar 21 - 10:19 AM

As a matter of interest is that tune in Simpson? I'd be interested to know if anyone else thinks the tune might be the ancestor of 'Miller of the Dee'.


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Subject: RE: 16th century broadside ballad discovery
From: Gordon Jackson
Date: 11 Mar 21 - 10:59 AM

Great performance Ian, well done.


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Subject: RE: 16th century broadside ballad discovery
From: Stower
Date: 11 Mar 21 - 11:33 AM

Thank you, Steve, David and Gordon - much appreciated. To my ears, there is some rhythmic affinity between Tarleton's Jig / Willy / Carol and Miller of the Dee, but it's a common rhythm, and I'd want more overlap melodically to suggest a relationship. Simpson doesn't mention the tune of this ballad under any of its titles. That may be because, as my article states, it survives copied into a manuscript rather than as the original broadside print.


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Subject: RE: 16th century broadside ballad discovery
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 11 Mar 21 - 11:34 AM

WOW! Thank you so very much.

The flat two and barely three dimensional characters of 500 years ago leap out as fully living, breathing beings.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle
You have added greatly to my future pleasure


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Subject: RE: 16th century broadside ballad discovery
From: leeneia
Date: 11 Mar 21 - 11:57 AM

Thanks very much, Stower. That's a great tune, and I'm making a MIDI of it.

I played the half-dozen versions of the Miller of Dee at abcnotation,com, and I don't think they are similar.


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Subject: RE: 16th century broadside ballad discovery
From: GUEST,#
Date: 11 Mar 21 - 12:02 PM

Great work, Stower.


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Subject: RE: 16th century broadside ballad discovery
From: leeneia
Date: 11 Mar 21 - 02:20 PM

I've changed my mind about making a MIDI.


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Subject: RE: 16th century broadside ballad discovery
From: Stower
Date: 11 Mar 21 - 04:45 PM

It's lovely to read the appreciation - thank you, gargoyle, # and leeneia. Gargoyle, I was amazed and delighted when the more I dug and dug to find Richard Tarleton for these four articles, sifting the sources to separate the man from the myth, the more he sprang to life in front of me. Leeneia (and anyone else), if you want the dots to the tune and more background to it, you'll find that here in the third of the four articles.


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Subject: RE: 16th century broadside ballad discovery
From: GUEST,Anne Lister sans cookie
Date: 14 Mar 21 - 10:33 AM

This is fascinating, Ian. Thank you for posting it all. After listening to the ballad it was then an earworm for me for the rest of the evening, though.


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Subject: RE: 16th century broadside ballad discovery
From: Stower
Date: 16 Mar 21 - 09:18 AM

Thank you, Anne. Coming especially from a story-teller, that's much appreciated.


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