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Subject: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: leeneia Date: 21 Mar 21 - 01:42 AM I know a number of Catters like Iceland, so I have news. There is a volcanic eruption, a small one, going on 25 miles SW of Reykjavik. Here's a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akWlYHj0ymk There has been no real trouble so far, and apparently Iceland's reaction is that it's kind of cute. The Guardian has the best article I've seen with the geologic details. It said that the extent of the lava was 200 meters or 219 yards, or as I translated to the DH, "two football fields plus the clubhouse." The units of measure in America are: inch foot yard breadbox football field. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Manitas_at_home Date: 21 Mar 21 - 02:22 AM You have breadboxes larger than a yard? How much bread do you eat? |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Mr Red Date: 21 Mar 21 - 05:42 AM No volumetrics? I want to know how many blue whalesworth of lava have solidified. I watched a video of a volcano in Asia about a week ago and now the Youtoob algorithm (which is allegedly switched off for me) keeps offering eruption stuff. So much so, one could think there is a surge in activity globally. But then I have seen respected scientific opinion that as the world warms, we will see more seismic activity. If only from "re-bound" (do your research). Yea, Yea, 1.5ºC and isn't going to affect anything, much. But Gaia will do what it will do. And chaos theory, if it says anything to us, tells us that complex systems, that are too big for our small brains, don't need much change here to result in big changes over there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Bonzo3legs Date: 21 Mar 21 - 05:52 AM That may be the case in usa land, but in South America they have kilometers!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Steve Shaw Date: 21 Mar 21 - 07:32 AM I love volcanoes but, sadly, live in a country that hasn't got any save a few ancient remnants (there are pillow lavas a few miles down the coast from us but they're 400 million years old). When I've been on holiday in Europe I always make a beeline for any volcanoes that happen to be lying around. I've been up a few, including Vesuvius (twice, 47 years apart), Etna, La Solfatara near Naples, Teide on Tenerife and Vulcano. We've been to Stromboli too but we didn't go up it. The beaches on Stromboli island are black and they have big signs everywhere carrying tsunami warnings. Vesuvius, potentially the most dangerous mountain in the world because of the huge population within a few miles of it, was easily the quietest of that lot. All the others had stuff coming out of 'em, generally sulphureous, steamy and smelly and sometimes feeling threatening (Solfatara and Vulcano) and with no-go areas. Etna has been very lively in recent weeks. We've been to Sicily four times and the Aeolian islands once. I think Etna must be my favourite. It's a huge mountain, 11000 feet high covering a vast area. Luckily, because of its sheer size, most of the towns and villages around are a long way from erupting craters. Etna sits on top of loose deposits and is slipping into the Mediterranean at the rate of half an inch a year, which doesn't sound much but which is actually alarmingly fast. I love the scary feeling that nothing can control these huge beasts if they decide to lose their tempers. You can walk to the top of Vulcano from sea level to the top in about an hour (once you've got to the island). We went on a clear afternoon with a few big cumulus clouds. You can see all the other Aeolian islands from the top and I swear it's the best view from anywhere that I've ever seen. A fair bit of the film Il Postino was made on the island of Salina, and Salina produces the best capers in the world. There a fair bit of Mount Teide and environs in the film One Million Years BC if you can take your eyes off Raquel for a minute or two. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: leeneia Date: 21 Mar 21 - 01:43 PM I've been to Stromboli too. A beautiful place. The video is worth watching. There is a main eruption site, red hot with glowing volcanic bombs going high in the air. Side vents also and red hot flows. I have often marveled that slow-moving earth processes manage to produce something as hot and active as volcanoes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Reinhard Date: 21 Mar 21 - 06:28 PM the extent of the lava was 200 meters No, the article says that the lava flows from a fissure that is about 200 metres long. It doesn't say anything about the extent of the lava flow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Steve Shaw Date: 21 Mar 21 - 07:57 PM The little town on Stromboli is a bit tatty and touristy (I was part of that problem, of course), but the night boat trip round the island was very special. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Donuel Date: 22 Mar 21 - 06:25 AM Eventually the volume of lava will be meaured in units of olympic sized swimming pools. Skarpi alerted us to the eruption threat 3 weeks ago. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Stilly River Sage Date: 22 Mar 21 - 11:05 AM Instagram video of recent activity. Lots of tourists getting way too close, as usual. (Click on the photo to start the video) |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Jeri Date: 22 Mar 21 - 11:26 AM I've taken occasional screen shots. I had a lot of little rivulets of lava, the a bunch of the caldera got blown out, and last night/now it has one major river. It seems to have quieted down. It could be a wrong assumption, though. And it's foggy today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Stilly River Sage Date: 22 Mar 21 - 12:33 PM Live feed from Iceland volcano This YouTube link is live of the same site. A webcam is now broadcasting live from Fagradalsfjall, facing Geldingadalur, where a fissure eruption began last night. There is also a live stream from further away at Vogstapi, here, which clearly showed the red glow during the hours of darkness. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: leeneia Date: 22 Mar 21 - 12:52 PM Thank you, Donuel. I had forgotten the olympic-size swimming pool as a measure of volume. But also, I think we need something smaller, something in between a breadbox and a pool. How about a freight container, a familiar sight, whether on a truck-tractor or a railroad car? Whether they are tourists or Icelanders, the visitors are too close. Volcanic eruptions can be unpredictable, the gases they give off can be toxic, and if ash is present, it is bad for the lungs. I wonder about people who live near erupting volcanoes. Do they have the same life expectancy as other people? Are their lungs as healthy? Good questions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Stilly River Sage Date: 22 Mar 21 - 01:11 PM Here in the US we talk about dumpsters - 10 yard, 20 yard, and frequently seen outside houses being emptied or renovated - a 30-yard dumpster. They make 40-yard ones, but I don't see those so often. This is cubic yards. And since a term we frequently hear in conjunction with these containers is "dumpster fire," it kind of fits. :) The dumpsters behind businesses (and the memes of fires) are typically in the 10-yard dumpsters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Steve Shaw Date: 22 Mar 21 - 02:02 PM "Do they have the same life expectancy as other people?" Not in Pompei they didn't... ;-) Here in Blighty we tend to compare everything to the size of Wales. I suppose we could do with something a bit smaller in some circumstances... |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: leeneia Date: 24 Mar 21 - 12:30 PM Stilly, I think your ten-yard dumpster is a good measure of volume. People are familiar with it. =============== One day when we were on Stromboli, the volcano was sending a murky gray cloud right into the town. We went into a pizza restaurant, and thought to myself, "This table still has crumbs on it." But on closer examination, the crumbs were tiny bits of lava from out of the cloud. I photographed them. I suppose, though, that it's the gases from the cloud (including H2S) that are bad for the lungs. The same thing applies in Iceland. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Mar 21 - 12:59 PM I can't remember what we did about food that day. We were staying on Lipari, and the boat trip stopped at Panarea then Stromboli, before our night-time sail round the volcano (it was a balmy, moonlit evening). We must have eaten something! I have vague recollections of a rather large cafe/restaurant on Stromboli with lots of rather scruffy outside tables... There was one spot in the sea with rather menacing underwater fumaroles that made it look like the sea was boiling. I'll dig out my photos.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Jos Date: 24 Mar 21 - 01:35 PM I had never heard of a ten-yard dumpster, never mind being familiar with it, but I know how long a yard is and I am assuming it means it is ten cubic yards. I have been trying to visualise it. The area of a double bed is three square yards. Therefore it would be a bit more than the area that would be covered by three double beds side by side, and a yard high. Is that about right? |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Jack Campin Date: 24 Mar 21 - 09:09 PM Nat Geo story I have a distant family connection to the author. If he's right the show will be getting re-runs for decades. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Howard Jones Date: 25 Mar 21 - 08:30 AM I'm mesmerised watching the live webcam. It appears to be more active at night, although maybe that's just because it looks more spectacular after dark. As well as the lava flows extending further each day, what started as a small vent has recently become a second cone, nearly as big as the main one. Fascinating. Watching people close to the lava flow, it intrigues me to think that the surface they were walking on will not see light again for millions of years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: leeneia Date: 26 Mar 21 - 01:07 AM Scientists discover a new energy source: lava sausage Howard, that's an interesting observation about the land surface. It intriques me that the hills surrounding the new volcano look nothing like it. The DH (geologist) thinks they were formed by ash. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: DaveRo Date: 26 Mar 21 - 07:43 AM As far as I can gather the eruption is in a valley - Geldingadalur (dalur = valley as in 'dale') - south of Fagradalsfjall (fjall = mountain, or 'fell') where the webcam is. Fagradalsfjall is an old shield volcano, 385m (1200') at it's highest point. I think the hills in the picture are all lavas similar, perhaps contemporaneous, with Fagradalsfjall. The one opposite appears to have two layers, a harder top and a softer bottom in which rain has cut deeper crevices. The pictures of sightseers give a better idea of scale: https://grapevine.is/ (scroll down to the bottom articles) |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Mr Red Date: 26 Mar 21 - 03:27 PM I was amazed by a video showing sight-seeing. Lots of people were standing pretty close, but some were amazingly close to creeping cherry red lava. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 Mar 21 - 04:39 PM It's what you do. We stood feet - inches - away from vicious fumaroles in Campi Flegrei. I still have a pair of sandals with a patch of melted rubber on the sole. I remember jumping around to escape the heat from the ground. We were gassed by sulphureous fumes. We walked over fields of sulphur and deadly gases on Vulcano. You visit a volcano and doing these things is part of your essential experience, especially if you live, like I do, in one of the most un-volcanic places on Earth. Don't knock it. You can't tell from photos how close people really were. When you can give me lists of dead tourists, I'll accept that you've proven me wrong. Otherwise, let's let each other spice our awe of nature with a bit of danger. Not too much. Just a bit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: leeneia Date: 29 Mar 21 - 12:05 PM Dead tourists, Steve? Didn't you hear the reports from New Zealand? ========= Take a look at this pair: https://grapevine.is/news/2021/03/22/eruption-area-temporarily-closed-due-to-gas-emissions/ They obviously are not aware that the roots of that turf they are on can be on fire while the top looks normal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Mar 21 - 04:48 PM If you're talking about White Island, yes I did. As I understand it, warnings were ignored... |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Donuel Date: 29 Mar 21 - 05:03 PM The joys of lava cooking by scientists cooking sausages in Iceland sounds tasty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: DaveRo Date: 29 Mar 21 - 05:33 PM Very different types volcano, different types of eruption. The lava from this Icelandic eruption is thick and slow moving. White Island was an explosive eruption. Interesting that the area is closed due to gas. Hekla, Iceland's biggest volcano, is notorious for emitting flourine which poisoned sheep over a wide area. I visited Iceland decades ago and climbed up Krafla. We walked across 'recent' lava - still hot a few centimetres down. The guide told us where we could walk without falling though. Terrible midges! Steve: been to Nisyros? |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Mar 21 - 06:07 PM Dave, the only Greek place I've ever been to is Kefalonia. Whilst I know about the catastrophic Minoan eruption, I must confess I didn't know about Nisyros (but I do now!). I fear that Mrs Steve has got volcano fatigue, brought on by my over-enthusiastic advocacy of visiting these elemental forces of nature, but, once this horrid lockdown finally melts away we'll be off on our travels again. I'll tell her what a beautiful island it truly is but I won't mention the volcano just yet... |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: robomatic Date: 29 Mar 21 - 07:39 PM Let us not forget the tourist who accidentally fell into an acidic hot spring at Yellowstone and died and dissolved before recovery could be effected. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: DaveRo Date: 30 Mar 21 - 03:48 AM Steve Shaw wrote: I'll tell her what a beautiful island it truly is but I won't mention the volcano just yet...Actually there's not much there apart from the volcano. We were stormbound there for a week. There's an excellent volcano museum in the village perched on the rim. The Aeolians Isles are much nicer. Particularly Salina: no volcano, but a great harbour, good walks, and excellent wine - which they don't export. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Steve Shaw Date: 30 Mar 21 - 06:47 AM They are indeed beautiful though there's a touch of tourist blight (contributed to by me, he added hastily...) on Lipari, Vulcano, Stromboli and Panarea. We stayed on Lipari for a week but for several days windy conditions prevented our visiting all the islands. We missed out on Alicudi, Filicudi and, sadly, Salina, which, as you suggest, is a world apart. Apart from walking up the volcano on Vulcano (got it right this time...) there isn't much else on that somewhat tatty island. Lipari town is the fleshpot centre on Lipari, but the island is big enough to get away from the hordes. Panarea is the fashionable and expensivo place to go for the jet set, and Stromboli has a tatty town and probably a lot that we must have missed on our two-hour stopoff. The best thing is to go on a trip on a small boat from Marina Corta on Lipari from which you get the most amazing island scenery - don't forget to indulge in the best granita and cannoli in Italy before and after. The other best thing is the walk up to the crater on Vulcano, an hour's dusty slog which rewards you with some of the best views you'll ever see as long as you can choose a day without that pesky Mediterranean haze. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: DaveRo Date: 30 Mar 21 - 08:33 AM Steve Shaw wrote: Lipari town is the fleshpot centre on LipariYes - we moored next to this boat: Booze Cruise Quite a few pictures of the Aeolian Isles, and later Etna, in that album if to page to and fro. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Nigel Parsons Date: 30 Mar 21 - 01:00 PM "Do they have the same life expectancy as other people?" Not in Pompei they didn't... ;-) Steve, I know you followed it with a wink, but. . . Life expectancy in Pompeii was much the same as the rest of the country. It's just that the expectancy was proved wrong ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Steve Shaw Date: 30 Mar 21 - 03:23 PM Thanks for those pics, Dave. We know and love most of your places, having spent two weeks just outside Taormina, up the big hill towards Castelmola, a week in Siracusa (we stayed just over the bridge in Ortigia), where we saw the Greek and Roman amphitheatres, as well as our stay on Lipari. We "did" Etna (obligatory). We caught the bus one day from Siracusa to Noto (fabulous) which had to negotiate flash floods in a thunderstorm but the driver wasn't going to take any prisoners. By the time we arrived it was quite a nice day. We both love Sicily and we're far from done with it yet (though having been frustrated this year). I have lots of photos of the view from Vulcano and I noticed that you didn't have the same clear atmosphere that we had - it was the only day we had without the haze and that was courtesy of a huge windstorm the day before with a force ten gale in 30-degree heat... |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: skarpi Date: 30 Mar 21 - 04:21 PM Right , DaveRo , just for the record Hekla is NOT the biggest volcano in Iceland , the biggest one in Iceland is Öræfajökull ( Öræfa Glacier witch is in the Vatnajökull Glacier ) here is a map :Katla is bigger than Hekla , and all though this lava eruption is small , we should remember what Laki eruption did to the world in the 1793 , so we could have a problem here in Iceland , why well , Hekla and Katla is on time about to erupt , along with the Biggest one witch started to meld the ice on it two years ago , and also there is another volcano in Vatnajökull glacier witch erupts more than others , if those mountain start , then all flight ´s are off. we have this thread along with Covid and all that follows . If Öræfa jökull volcano starts ,it will wipe out all life in 20 km radius I heard said , if thats right then god help us . well there are about 20 thousand people witch has watch the lavaeruption , some of them has hurt them self and that eruption is not over could go on for month´s , as Icelander I am used to earthquakes and eruption s , I fled VestmannIsland eruption in 1973 , it started only 900 mtr from our house , we lost everything so I know how it is to loose every thing . please take care of you self and you r family , all the best from Iceland . on this site you can watch our earthquakes and eruptions https://en.vedur.is/earthquakes-and-volcanism/earthquakes Skarpi's link. I changed it to html, because a mile-long link will force the text to not wrap. -Mod |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: leeneia Date: 30 Mar 21 - 04:43 PM Hello, Skarpi. It's nice to hear from you. I'm sorry that eruption was so close in 1973. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: keberoxu Date: 30 Mar 21 - 09:55 PM Skarpi, what the heck happened with your post? When you posted it, the sentences wrapped around in such a way that it chopped entire words out ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: leeneia Date: 30 Mar 21 - 11:04 PM Here's a site with information on where the lava is coming from. https://www.volcanocafe.org/the-reykjanes-eruption-a-look-underground/ I've been wondering about the source of the lava, since the Mid-Atlantic Ridge is to the east. So is this new volcano the result of a hot spot, or what? The article explains. The DH and I have been to north central Iceland, where tiny cinder cones about 15 feet high dot the landscape. It is an eerie place. In that place, Iceland is being split apart by the Mid-ATlantic spreading center. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Mr Red Date: 31 Mar 21 - 03:05 AM Skarpi's map of Iceland's volcanoes - link |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Steve Shaw Date: 31 Mar 21 - 05:59 AM The Mid-Atlantic Ridge passes through the middle of Iceland and much of Iceland's volcanic activity is along it, but there's a kind of subsidiary area to the west that isn't quite on the ridge, as leeneia intimates, and that's where this latest eruption is. There are some enigmatic features of Iceland's vulcanicity that science has yet to resolve. The Mid-Atlantic Ridge is where two plates are diverging and where magma is upwelling. So far so good, but why is Iceland there at all, when other excrescences along the ridge are overwhelmingly mere seamounts? Hotspots tend to be stationary, in effect, whilst plates move over them, resulting in strings of volcanoes (as, famously, in Yellowstone). No such phenomenon can be discerned in Iceland. Is Iceland the result of a large magma plume, or is there even a plume at all? It goes to show that, even in a place which is the subject of the most intense investigation, the answers are obstinately difficult to elicit. I like that. Unlike with religion, we just keep looking. In the last six years I've spent two separate weeks at the same hotel with the most amazing view of Etna from the room terrace, 20km away from the volcano. It's been my bad luck both times to be there when the giant was slumbering, especially in light of the fact that Etna has been especially restless in the last few years. Tsk. I'll have to go back. By the way, it's the best hotel I've ever stayed in, it's called the Villa Angela, just outside Taormina, and I'm not connected. It's not hyper-expensive either. The sun sets over Etna from there, and there's always something puffing away out of the top...If you go there, there's a fabulous restaurant just up the road with the same view from its open-air roof terrace. Give my love to Alfio Puglia, the owner. He'll remember me, as I was there the night Liverpool won the Champions League, and he made a Very Big Thing of it... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Steve Shaw Date: 31 Mar 21 - 06:24 AM By the way, at the Villa Angela you may just meet Jim Kerr of Simple Minds fame. He owns and loves it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Steve Shaw Date: 31 Mar 21 - 09:45 AM Er, something weird's happened to the format of this thread ever since skarpie posted that huge www... |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Steve Shaw Date: 31 Mar 21 - 11:17 AM If someone tells me I'm wrong about the positioning of the ridge in Iceland and about which volcanoes are actually on the ridge, that would be great... |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: DaveRo Date: 31 Mar 21 - 11:35 AM Steve Shaw wrote: something weird's happened to the format of this thread ever since skarpie posted that huge www...Your weird may not be the same as other people's weird. I don't see any words missing, it just widens the page - and may reduce the font size But if someone could just delete that mega-non-link or replace it with Mr Red's version, that would probably be appreciated by anyone reading this on a small screen. :) |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: Jeri Date: 31 Mar 21 - 11:48 AM Skarpi's link was very long, and link addresses aren't wrapped like other text, it buggers everything up. No text wrapping. I fixed it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: skarpi Date: 31 Mar 21 - 02:58 PM Hallo , sorry about that uhh , have no idea what went wrong . Thank you Jeri all the best for now Skarpi . |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: leeneia Date: 31 Mar 21 - 03:48 PM Don't go away, Skarpi. I need you to tell me how to say the name Geldingardalir Please just tell me which syllable is loudest. AND as the only Icelander here, you have a special place in our hearts. ========================= Other folks, please remember that we are entering the realm of the chthonic gods here, and we're lucky that a unhandy link is the least we might suffer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: leeneia Date: 31 Mar 21 - 03:51 PM About one-third of the cone has collapsed, giving a clear view of two lava fountains. The collapse must have been quite a site. I'm sorry I missed it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: new eruption in Iceland From: skarpi Date: 01 Apr 21 - 06:53 AM Leeneia ok working on it, instead of like Go....put e, say Gr but the sound should be on the e like you would say elvis , So Gel-ding-ar-nes... Nes like in nessy..try this and have fun All the best from Iceland Skarpi |
