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BS: adding oatmeal to bread

leeneia 07 Apr 21 - 03:21 PM
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Subject: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: leeneia
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 03:21 PM

I have a recipe for cracked-wheat bread in the bread machine, and I'd like to add oatmeal to it. Cracked-wheat bread is the only bread with real fiber (not soft fiber), and oatmeal is said to reduce cholesterol.

I can't find a good recipe online. I did find one, but it was awful. I asked Quaker Oats Customer Service, but they didn't have a recipe.

Do any experienced bread makers know if I can just add oatmeal to a recipe, or do I have to change other ingredients?


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: JHW
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 03:42 PM

Sorry I don't have an answer but thanks for the idea. I took back my new bread m/c several houses ago as it 'boiled' over. I have a massive slab of yeast and several flours awaiting another try. Last go I used a beer starter (recipe). Didn't rise but the solid bread tasted alright. Have just munched oatcakes and cheese, supper routine, have enjoyed commercial oat bread so will give it a go next time.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Helen
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 03:54 PM

Hi leeneia,

We have a bread machine and I have added oatmeal to some of the loaves. It worked well and tasted good. I just added maybe half a cup to the mix. I didn't adjust the amount of flour, but I used one of the wholegrain recipes in the book which came with the machine, and used the wholegrain bread setting.

I'll dig the recipe book out and give you some more specifics.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Helen
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 03:55 PM

I forgot to say that I used rolled oats not quick or instant oats.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Monique
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 04:10 PM

Leeneia, I found some in French 1, 2, 3. There are more but without bread machine. I haven't tried any as my organic shop sells a wonderful wholegrain bread. The last bread I made was with grated carrots and fenel seeds.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Jos
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 04:25 PM

"rolled oats not quick or instant oats"

I've never tried making oat bread. I'd rather have porridge, and wheat bread or toast.
For porridge, I've always regarded rolled oats as being "quick oats", unlike something like pin-head oats, which need either soaking or, even better, long slow cooking.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Helen
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 04:41 PM

Jos, here in Australia, rolled oats are whole oats rolled flat and they need slow cooking, but quick or instant oats are finely milled - I think - and don't need slow cooking.

When I was working I used to put rolled oats and a couple of other things e.g. chia seeds and psyllium, with dried fruits and a bit of milk in a cup sized container, add some boiling water and then half an hour later when I arrived at work I just topped it up with more boiling water and I had my porridge ready to eat. The oats had become porridge in the half hour. Easy!

I've tried adding psyllium to pancakes but it goes gluggy - not appetising - but I have also whizzed oats in a blender to make an oat flour and added about a cup of that to pancakes with ordinary flour and it worked well.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Helen
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 05:06 PM

There are two recipes in the book for our 20 year old Breville bread machine which include oats:

Honey oats and barley bread, or sunflower and oatmeal bread.

The ingredients for the first recipe for a 1 kg (2 lb) loaf are:

Honey oats and barley bread

Water 355ml, oil 2 tablespoons, salt 2 teaspoons, honey 2 tablespoons, bread flour 2 .5 cups, wholemeal plain flour 1.5 cups, milk powder 2 tablespoons, bread improver 1 teaspoon, gluten flour 2 tablespoons, rolled oats 2 tablespoons, oat bran 1.5 tablespoons, barley bran 1.5 tablespoons, yeast 1.5 teaspoons.

Sunflower and oatmeal bread

Water 355ml, oil 2 tablespoons, salt 2 teaspoons, sugar 2 teaspoons, honey 2 tablespoons, bread flour 2 .5 cups, wholemeal plain flour 1.5 cups, milk powder 2 tablespoons, bread improver 1 teaspoon, gluten flour 2 tablespoons, oatmeal 1/2 cup, cracked sunflower seeds 1/3 cup, yeast 1.5 teaspoons.

I just found this page which defines the different forms of oats: Ode to Oatmeal : Your Guide to the Beloved Breakfast Staple

It looks like the oatmeal referred to in the second recipe is ground oats to make a coarse flour, which I'd do in a blender or food processor or coffee grinder.

I don't follow the recipes exactly so I've never added gluten flour, but maybe that's a trick for making bread which includes plain wholewheat flour and other added fibre foods. I don't know. The gluten flour is not mentioned in the other recipes in the book which just used bread flour.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 06:00 PM

The book for our Panasonic bread maker has an oat and bran loaf recipe. The ingredients are:

Strong White Flour 400g
Sugar 1½ tsp
Oil 2 tbsp
Salt 1¼ tsp
Bran 50g
Porridge oats 50g
Water 350ml
Yeast 1 tsp

Using the measuring spoon that comes with the machine, 1tsp = 5ml, 1tbsp = 15ml


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 07:38 PM

Recipe? You just add more oatmeal each time you make it until it starts to fail in aome way, then backtrack a bit.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 Apr 21 - 08:10 PM

Jack, you sound like the homemaker who retorted,
"Recipes are for cowards."


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: JHW
Date: 08 Apr 21 - 05:37 AM

Recipes are for those who have the ingredients - ie only the writer


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Apr 21 - 06:09 AM

Nowt to do with bread making but...

No need for fine milled oats for anything. Any porridge oats can be cooked in 3 minutes in the microwave or 5 minutas in a pan. I use the former to save washing up. No need to cook at all really. Roman soldiers used to munch on a handful of dry oats for extra energy while marching. If you don't fancy that, just soak them overnight.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 08 Apr 21 - 06:49 AM

There is no need for sugar in bread recipes.


Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: leeneia
Date: 08 Apr 21 - 11:39 AM

Thanks for the recipes and insights, everybody. I've found a site which says that 1.5 cups oats, pulverized in the blender, equals 1 cup bread flour, so I believe I'll use my old recipe and have 1 cup bread flour, 1.5 cups "blended" oats, and one cup whole wheat flour.

I decided to check Dave's statement that there is no need for sugar in bread recipes, and I read the following:

https://www.kingarthurbaking.com/blog/2017/05/16/reduce-sugar-in-yeast-bread

This seems to be an intelligent article written by someone who actually bakes and understands science, so I believe I will try reducing the sugar in my cracked-wheat bread. It has always been a little too moist.
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Elsewhere, I found a different recipe with "no added sugar" which substituted skim milk for water. There's sugar in milk. And more than one person commented that they tried the recipe and would not be making it again.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 02:29 AM

I bake plain white bead, sourdough, wholemeal, granary and rye, I do not use sugar in any of them, you don't need it.

It is included in some recipes but it's simply to make the yeast work faster, you don't need it.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Jos
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 03:09 AM

I do use sugar in bread - 1 teaspoon for a large loaf. That's not a lot and it doesn't make the bread taste sweet, but I use it to 'wake the yeast up' in the liquid before adding it to the flour (just like my grandmother did in the days before dried, never mind 'instant' yeast).
I have never used a bread-making machine.


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 04:20 AM

Some instructions for bread makers suggest altering the sugar and salt levels to get a loaf to rise as required. In the troubleshooting for our Panasonic one under "My bread doesn't rise/The top of my bread is uneven", one suggestion it gives "You have used too much salt or not enough sugar".


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Nick
Date: 09 Apr 21 - 04:28 AM

We used to have a bread making book that I bought my wife in about 1980. It fell to bits and I can't remember its name. We have baked bread ever since and it set my mother off making her own bread for most of her life from the 70's onwards as I bought it for her too

The thing I remember outside of normal bread was that we made a sunflower seed loaf and an oatmeal loaf. The oatmeal loaf was "oaty" and made great toast.

I tried the following yesterday and made a single oat loaf (I used rolled oats rather than oatmeal) and it is not bad but lacks a real oat punch but was pleasant.

1 sachet yeast
1 cup white flour
1 cup wholewheat flour
1 cup rolled oats (used a few more for the actual making than the recipe)
1 1/4 cups warm water
1 tablespoon honey
1 1/2 teaspoons salt

Mix it up and knead. Leave to rise. Cook at 350F for 35-40 mins

Nice with cheese yesterday and made nice toast this morning


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Apr 21 - 01:06 PM

There's sugar in milk. - that would be lactose? "A" sugar, but not sucrose. Surely commercial yeast sold for breadmaking would be bred (pun intended) to work best with sucrose.

I soak my porridge oats in hot water in the dish and leave overnight. Microwave 1:40 mins in the morning.

And North Staffordshre Oatcakes** & cheese (& bacon) are nectar of the gods. For those thinking small hard tack biscuits - think again. Savoury pancakes are nearer physically, if not culinarily. And yeast is used to prove the mix, and salt to disprove it.

**Other counties like South Yorks, Derbys, and parts of Liecs might argue ownership, but I am a Staffordshireman so there!


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Subject: RE: BS: adding oatmeal to bread
From: Helen
Date: 10 Apr 21 - 03:42 PM

Nick, what about sprinkling some oats over the top of the loaf to ramp up the oat punch?


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