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Subject: BS: Confessions From: Donuel Date: 15 Apr 21 - 07:07 AM I confess; I have been guilty of various actions that other people have been executed by police for having committed. Cracked tail light, expired license plate, driving, The reason I survived is due to almost no 'melanin in my American skin' . There may be hundreds of other brushes with execution I do not know about. For example I do not recall ever seeing a counterfeit bill. In reality the police are not here to protect civil rights. That requires a judge. There are different means of xecution by way of economics. For example if you are priced out of the market for insulin you may be executed. If you can not afford food or home you may be executed. Execution is alive and well in America the wealthiest nation in history. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Nigel Parsons Date: 15 Apr 21 - 07:36 AM I confess; I have been guilty of various actions that other people have been executed by police for having committed. As I understand it (from a small island where guns are not routinely carried, even by the police) Americans are not 'executed' by the police. They are killed, possibly legally (in self-defence, or defence of the public), or by murder. There is currently a trial taking place in the US courts the outcome of which should be a guide as to whether the rule of law is paramount. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Jeri Date: 15 Apr 21 - 08:39 AM I confess this thread made me look up Virtue Signaling The case is appalling, but on Mudcat, it's an excuse for trumpeting "I'm more woke than thou". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Donuel Date: 15 Apr 21 - 09:29 AM I confess: I am a collector of 1:18 model cars. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: punkfolkrocker Date: 15 Apr 21 - 09:54 AM You put your left arm in Your left arm out In, out, in, out You shake it all about You do the wokey cokey And you turn around That's what it's all about Woah, the wokey cokey Woah, the wokey cokey Woah, the wokey cokey Knees bent Arms stretched Ra-ra-ra... .. etc..... Ad infinitum........ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Bill D Date: 15 Apr 21 - 10:05 AM I confess: I am picky about applying very broad usage to explicit words...(often referred to as "equivocation") "Execution" is a narrow, legal term for intentionally putting someone to death after a judgement.... whether by a formal legal court or an illegal one. Many other things that contribute to deaths are immoral and unconscionable.... some are outright murder or 'negligent homicide'...etc. The protesters in Minnesota the last few nights are trying to apply "murder" to a situation before any clear determination of facts. I suspect that some of them would be glad to act as judge, jury and executioners, given the opportunity. Mob psychology is a frightening thing....re: Jan. 6th. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Charmion Date: 15 Apr 21 - 10:49 AM I'm on Team Bill. "Execution", when it means causing death, is a contraction of the phrase "execution of the orders of [whoever]". And the verb "to execute" means "carry out". Likewise, "murder" is a very specific thing, in law. That poor cop who mistook her pistol for her Taser did not commit murder because she intended to use the Taser, not the gun; consequently, she has been charged with manslaughter and will probably be convicted. The big problem for the prosecutors of Derek Chauvin is that they must prove *beyond a reasonable doubt* that he either wanted the man under his knee to die, or did not care enough to ensure that he didn't. The threshold of care varies from one jurisdiction to another, so I imagine that Minnesota's definition will soon be clarified for the world and her wife. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: meself Date: 15 Apr 21 - 11:03 AM It was quite clear that Donuel was using the term "execution" rhetorically - why all the pedantry? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Donuel Date: 15 Apr 21 - 12:28 PM 20 years of a satirical take on the world and 20 years of blowback. When people want to avoid the point (in this case racism and white priviledge} they dive into the minutia of a single word. Outside of my car collection are thousands of different scale toys be they cartoon characters, robots, cars, trucks, boats, trains, planes, satillites, castles, space ships/stations and telescopes like Hubble. Toy collections can be condemned or appreciated, depending on your POV. I just don't like 'action figures'. Confessions invite judgements or shared memories. Sometimes the memories are not the toy but the state of ones world view at the time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Bill D Date: 15 Apr 21 - 01:56 PM In cyberspace rhetorical usage can confuse readers. In RT, expression and tone can make it clear. In any case, ambiguous usage can be mistaken for actual belief(s). "Pedantry" itself is often overused to excuse carelessness. It was NOT clear to me that it was merely rhetorical. Satire itself is often taken seriously..see "The Onion", where every day someone posts on Facebook a satirical article as fact. I can easily devote hours to a back & forth on racism and while privilege... with 'pedantic' input about relevant use of the terms. Labels are easy ways to refer to any behavior that feels uncomfortable by slapping a negative connotation on it. I can respect and admire a person's honorable intent and concerns, while wishing for more careful explication of details..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: robomatic Date: 15 Apr 21 - 03:16 PM Donuel: I think you need to go over your toy collection to make sure your figurines are proportionally representative of the various shades of humanity you wish to encompass. While in that mode you should make sure your Ford/ Chevy ratio is appropriate. They you can come back and report your findings and then measure the backwash, er, excuse me, backblow, er, blowback. You have no right to feel the glow of human warmth until you have circumferentially experienced the appropriateness of the current pair of dimes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Donuel Date: 15 Apr 21 - 04:18 PM Exaggeration by bias did not include all the ways the poor can seek affordable insulin through Medicare etc. The issue of drug pricing remains, with people falling through the cracks. If I were to be entirely free of bias while always telling truth to power, I would have to admit Trump is truthfully the greatest sardonic President of all time. How fun is that? Meanwhile the issues are ignored with a non existant discussion of white priviledge. Thats fine, racial policy is not everyone's cup of tea. Other topics like CRISPR ethics are also ignored but important in the present and future. I can safely assume there are other people who have silly collctions that they don't talk about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: robomatic Date: 15 Apr 21 - 07:11 PM I can barely see in here because of the intense glare of righteousness that illuminates the naked bare necessities of society as you no wit. I can only imagine the dearth of carbon in your commontality. Time for a re up holster. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Jeri Date: 15 Apr 21 - 07:26 PM Like I said, virtue signalling. I mostly don't read stuff like this, because it's vomit-inducing. Time for me to listen to myself, and let people who enjoy touting their virtues continue without, at least, MY witness. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Donuel Date: 15 Apr 21 - 08:34 PM I have heard similar words of counter rightious indignation from cops, that I personally knew, who deliberately murdered/executed black kids. Through the nihilism you can still hear a whisper of guilt. If nothing else it is a beggining of healing an injured psyche. I have never been victimized by a single black person, not in Oakland, Detroit , Chicago or NY. But white people - plenty. Perhaps its part of my bias. Their bias exists for a reason as well. Since I was 7 I marched in funeral processions for the unfairly murdered due to skin color so my sympathy to the victims comes naturally during these days of rethinking policing humanity. I assure you the side I take is bona fide. When I traveled from Binghamton to DC to hear MLK I ended up interacting with attendees more than hearing his words as he spoke. I hear you guys loud and clear and find it unfortunate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Steve Shaw Date: 15 Apr 21 - 08:40 PM What about the fairly murdered? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Bill D Date: 15 Apr 21 - 09:06 PM All the experiences you or anyone else have had are data about **general** situations and people, not definitive explanations for any single situation or the attitudes & beliefs of any individual. I know stories about cops who used their badge & uniform to inflict harm on various minorities with little chance of repercussions... but I refuse to condemn police with sweeping generalizations. Heck, *I* have had run ins with police in Mississippi. I have also known cops who I'd trust implicitly. (I knew a guy who suggested that it was common for racist Southerners who beat up on 'people of color' to be put ON the police so the could do it We can all see that various things like smart phones and body cams have gotten bad cops in trouble, resulting in retraining and weeding out some bad apples. You know, it sometimes happens that a cop MUST use a weapon. The fact that some don't have the presence of mind to avoid a shooting when possible is what makes the news. Most good stories don't make the front page. We need to be careful how we interpret it all............. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: robomatic Date: 15 Apr 21 - 10:18 PM Don trump uel: You are the most likely in this forum to apply the lessons of the former President to obfuscate and confuse by means of projection. Your double downs on these tactics are ultimately, like the efforts of those who resist the BORG, futile. There is nothing like self righteousness to tick off the self-righteous. Beware of looking in the mirror. On second thought, look in that mirror. Take a good look. Awwwwwwwww......we know you ain't gonna! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Dave the Gnome Date: 16 Apr 21 - 03:34 AM I just confess to eveything. It's easier that way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: punkfolkrocker Date: 16 Apr 21 - 03:57 AM I confess.. someone else must have dunnit.. Further than that, no comment... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Apr 21 - 04:36 AM I've been confessing to impure thoughts continuously since I was seven. Bloody Catholic faith... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Jos Date: 16 Apr 21 - 04:53 AM Really 'continuously' (without stopping)? Or did you perhaps mean 'continually' (over and over again)? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Jos Date: 16 Apr 21 - 04:53 AM [I confess to being a bit of a pedant.] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Apr 21 - 05:29 AM I've been confessing them continually but having them continuously.... Dammit, which way round should it be...Anyway, stop interrupting my thought processes... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Donuel Date: 16 Apr 21 - 07:03 AM I-phones and body cams document the carnage of police murder to the point that Pat Robertson is calling for police reform. The paradigm has shifted and people are allowed to believe their own eyes. The blowback by the Trump racists is a desperate cry of a dying white supreamacy. Most of us don't need or want that society. Yes we are still fighting fascism but we have to stand up agaibst the gerries and robots. The stark truth demands it. I confess at the root of collections is some kind of hoarding behavior. but earwax collections {^? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Jack Campin Date: 16 Apr 21 - 08:50 PM There is some bizarre thinking around the Duante Wright killing. Quite a lot of Americans seem to think that the issue is whether the killer fired a gun instead of a taser intentionally or not. As if firing needle electrodes into someone's body and tearing their nervous system apart with shocks of thousands of volts would have been fine. It's supposed to be perfectly ok for a cop to inflict torture on somebody for an infraction that would get you a fixed-penalty fine in the post anywhere else in the world? What kind of value system is that? It's the value system of people who use fascist bullshit language like "virtue signaling", that's what. Accusing somebody of "virtue signaling" is Rupert-Murdoch-speak for "compassion is contemptible". You aren't supposed to even care if black people get tortured in public. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Apr 21 - 08:52 PM The mistake the officer made didn't begin with the pistol instead of the taser. It was in making the stop at all on the flimsy reasons they fell back on when pulling over a young black driver. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Steve Shaw Date: 16 Apr 21 - 09:15 PM It might be a rather trendy way of putting things, Jack, but there is such an hypocritical thing as virtue-signalling... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Donuel Date: 16 Apr 21 - 10:19 PM Imagine the gall of liberals using their words instead of guns with something as dangerous as virtue signaling* *defined by white supreamists. Some of you are sounding like creepy crawly white supremists...and it is sounding worse every day, Some right wing big lie rants sound like: Its better to swing with the right wing if you want to revolt "We WASPs have woken to our hive under attack and need to be as revolting as possible. REMEMBER Revolution can be won with more than guns. The multitude of the least of us can exterminate blacks, jews, intellectuals and queers. White Anglo Saxon Protest ants (WASPS) now actually have a Republican caucus in the US Congress to rid the country of all non European immigrants and eventually citizens to make America great again. To me they are a bunch of insects who insanely dream of Spearheading their movement to make anglo saxons the master race again with their swarms of MURDER HORNETS and cicadas. Perhaps Weaponized cockroachs in the woodwork will then provide the final solution in urban areas. In the immortal words of master Trump "The only good niggar is a dead niggar. The best way to bug the government financially is to starve them of taxes and shoot all the Democrats. Loyal patriots do not buy Coca-Cola either. Mr. Big also wants you to boycott; Baseball, Football, BLM cities like Portland, NYC, blue states and apple pie & motherhood! Good luck with that Jim Jordon- At polite cocktail parties the above sentiments are called 'nativist dog whistles'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Donuel Date: 17 Apr 21 - 12:13 AM Now would be a good time to also say what I think of the extremee left. They can not buy common sense when it comes to messaging or slogans. Defund the police? are you kidding me.Its as though they can't say what they mean. Occupy Wall St, how about occupy school. They are as prone to misinformation as anyone else. The news devoted to the left is also about 90% bad news. They think infection rates are much higher than they are. They are steadfast. They are still as disorganied as they were 100 years ago. At least their hiring practices place importance on qualifications. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Jack Campin Date: 18 Apr 21 - 05:37 AM Following that link for "virtue signaling" shows that it was popularized by the extreme-right journalist/politician James Bartholomew (Spectator, Brexit Party) in 2015. Not very surprising that someone defending white supremacism should use language invented for that purpose by a white supremacist, is it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Donuel Date: 18 Apr 21 - 10:49 AM Don't 'fly' off the handle. 'Creepy crawly' just punches up the insect theme in the whimsical piece. There are seven references to insects if you spider up to that post. Creative expressions bug folks who envy them. Take no personal offense unless you think you deserve it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Steve Shaw Date: 18 Apr 21 - 12:21 PM Spiders are not insects. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Jos Date: 18 Apr 21 - 01:46 PM I think spiders do count as 'creepy-crawlies' though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Steve Shaw Date: 18 Apr 21 - 02:14 PM The spiders in my house and garden don't creep or crawl. They belt across the carpet or the flower beds, or make beautiful webs that they can skim across with great alacrity. They are much-maligned, beautiful creatures, well worthy of close inspection through a magnifying glass. If you've ever killed a spider, or even dissed one, you should go to confession. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Donuel Date: 18 Apr 21 - 02:34 PM I calculated that the 2 trillion dollars we spent on the Afghan war: Would build and run free to all, 5 1/2 million Disneylands. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Confessions From: Donuel Date: 19 Apr 21 - 07:59 PM We're about to spend 2 trillion dollars on ourselves. Instead of having a Disneyland 10 minutes away from everyone we could have: child/senior care, bridges, rail, roads, harbors, free college and what else?????????????? |
