BS: different usa accents

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 03:18 PM

Robo that took me a second...

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 02:28 PM

Anyone know what a 'paramour' is?

It's what you cut your grass with in Texas.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Monique
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 10:20 AM

Well, it told me I was from around New York/New Jersey while I never lived further than 30 miles from my French birth town. But my New York friends told me they were "corrupting" me!

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Lighter
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 09:18 AM

Growing up overseas could well be enough to fool the test.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Jos
Date: 30 Apr 21 - 04:12 AM

I thought 'cookie' came from the Dutch 'kuchen' - a small cake, cookies being softer than biscuits - I have found the following on the internet:

"Cookies Too Crunchy? Soften Them Up with This Simple Tip . . . Save your next batch of crunchy cookies! We've got an easy tip to soften hard cookies so you can enjoy chewy, gooey cookies no matter what."

from

https://www.tasteofhome.com/article/soften-cookies/

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 05:26 PM

Fascinating. I got Spokane WA, Rochester NY, or Greensboro SC. I grew up overseas, Dad from PA, I lived in Boston and then moved to Charlottesville VA. Go figure.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 10:48 AM

Bill, Wikipedia was my source...

”A biscuit is a flour-based baked food product. In most countries, particularly in the Commonwealth and Ireland, biscuits are typically hard, flat and unleavened. They are usually sweet and may be made with sugar, chocolate, icing, jam, ginger or cinnamon. They can also be savoury and similar to crackers. Types of biscuit include sandwich biscuits, digestive biscuits, ginger biscuits, shortbread biscuits, chocolate chip cookies, chocolate-coated marshmallow treats, Anzac biscuits, biscotti and speculaas. In most of North America, nearly all hard sweet biscuits are called "cookies", while the term "biscuit" refers to a soft, leavened quick bread similar to a scone, for which see biscuit (bread)”.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 08:54 AM

"
In the apparently-confused US, don’t they pronounce scone, ‘biscuit’? "

No.. scones are different and usually 'attempt' to emulate the European model....though, like biscuits, there are variations.

Biscuits are a general class which vary quite a lot depending on region and recipe.

Don't get me started on the 'cookie' 'biscuit' debate... ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 07:48 AM

scone takes the biscuit ,
reminds me of a song of mcgraths the marmites with the jam
Ode to a scone
One morning in may,i was making my way
i met a fair maid with a baking tray
fair maid said i, is that a scone i spy.
oh, no, john, a bun from the oven please try
i dont bake scones for these are the captains biscuits.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Lighter
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 06:58 AM

More Brits should take it.

My guess is they'd be placed mainly on the East Coast, but in a broad rather than a narrow area.

The quiz placed me with frightening accuracy in New York City, though Iive lived in a distinctly different area for decades.

And it did so without stereotypical questions like "Do you say 'dese, dem, and doze'" "Do you say 'cawfee'?" "Do you say 'boid'?" "Do you say 'erl'?"

None of which I say (precisely), but all of which are (more or less) real.

I wonder if the makers of the text took immigrant accents into account.

On the other hand, most of the questions were about vocabulary, not pronunciation.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 03:29 AM

The Great Scone Map

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I tried the US thing Joe linked to. Apparently I'm closest to Washington DC, New York and Baltimore.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: BobL
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 03:21 AM

And doesn't the Scottish place name rhyme with "soon"?

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 01:36 AM

In the apparently-confused US, don’t they pronounce scone, ‘biscuit’?

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 28 Apr 21 - 03:46 PM

Scone rhymes with gone, not stone. I am right and anyone who says different is wrong.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Allan Conn
Date: 28 Apr 21 - 03:21 PM

I am a scoan pronouncer too.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Jos
Date: 28 Apr 21 - 03:18 PM

You could call them 'Devon splits'.

I shall continue to call them scones (NOT 'scons') and sod the internet - I've been around a lot longer than it has.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Apr 21 - 02:58 PM

according to the internet it should be pronounced to rhyme with con, so i think i will try and avoid using the word.i will use the irish word one of those yokes

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 21 - 11:50 AM

Scone.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Apr 21 - 08:56 AM

Scoan

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Apr 21 - 08:19 AM

There are far more advanced apps that identify accents than the crude NYT quiz. They just take longer.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Apr 21 - 07:28 AM

steve how do you pronounce scone

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Apr 21 - 05:54 AM

No, no non backwoodsman is wrong
some people in co durham and northumberland say cant with a short a as do the scots who also say canna with a short a same as the geordies say ganning with a short a.
jez lowe says cant or canna as does jim bainbridge, i dont remember yorkshire people saying cant with a long a either but maybe they do

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Apr 21 - 04:54 AM

I'm currently reading Emmanuel Karnt. After that I might take a day trip to Barth as long as I can get my car (a Ford Ka) out of the grardge.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Apr 21 - 05:19 PM

Mrrzy, In English English, can’t, the abbreviation of ‘cannot’, is pronounced with a long ‘a’ - so ‘carnt’. Cant (without the apostrophe), meaning hypocritical and sanctimonious talk, is pronounced with the short ‘a’, as in ‘cat’.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 27 Apr 21 - 04:13 PM

Doug Chadwick, cat and can't have the same A, no?

Not for me ... ever! Can't has the same vowel sound as car, as far as I am concerned.


DC

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Apr 21 - 02:56 PM

I took the NY Times test, and it pegged me as coming from the lower peninsula of Michigan. I call myself a Wisconsinite, but I moved there from Detroit at the age of 9. But my heart is still in Wisconsin, and I'd move back there in a minute.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Apr 21 - 02:55 PM

mrzy cat and cant can be said the same with a short a

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: robomatic
Date: 27 Apr 21 - 02:40 PM

When I was taking evening courses at Northeastern my brainless housemate left me a message that my father had called. I called Dad, no soap. Then my fellow student called. He had a thick Indian accent and his name was 'Pap Dalal'.

I have an issue that I try to copy accents from languages that have contributed to current words that have been reframed American style. When you shift the rear wheelgear on a 10 speed bicycle you are usually using a derailler or derailleur. When I try to pronounce it French style I get looks and occasional, not really, ridicule. "De-Rai'-yeh". But it has long been called a "De-rale'-er".

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Apr 21 - 02:33 PM

Doug Chadwick, cat and can't have the same A, no?

My whole family (our parents and their ssibs, me, my sisters, their kids, our cousins and their kids) pronounces Aunt ant, except one of my kids whom I think is a mutant.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Apr 21 - 04:01 AM

aunt and sometimes its arnt, that is how i pronounce it and i am not from west somerset.
flaunt, i pronunce floornt

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 07:06 PM

Don't mention it!

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 06:51 PM

Thanks for the info, Lighter.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 01:35 PM

West Somerset "Arn't".

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 12:50 PM

And is there anywhere in the English-speaking world that doesn't use 'aunt'?

I normally say 'aunty' (or 'auntie' if you prefer) rather than 'aunt' but the question in the NY Times quiz related to the pronunciation. I say it as 'ant', with a short 'a' as in cat, whereas others might pronounce it with a long 'a', to rhyme with can't.

I, of course, am right and the others are wrong. ;-)

DC

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 12:46 PM

Jos, sometimes it's "aunt" as in "flaunt", and sometimes it's "ant". If you'd taken the quiz, it would've been in there.
I'm New England. Boston, and Arlington, and I grew up in New York State.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 12:45 PM

"Aunt" may be pronounced as either "ant" or "awnt."

I say "ant," which used to be normal, but almost all you hear on TV nowadays is "awnt." The spelling suggests the latter was the original pronunciation, but it seems to have re-emerged (as I've been told, "because your aunt is not an insect").

Duh!

Cf. "haun't" and "h'ant," "gauntlet" vs. "gantlet."

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 12:18 PM

Pop translates to "soda" in the east, and my father was Dad, not "Pop."

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Jos
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 12:15 PM

Is that 'pop' meaning 'dad', or 'pop' meaning 'fizzy drink'?
And is there anywhere in the English-speaking world that doesn't use 'aunt'?

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 11:42 AM

The Times quiz results came within the region where I grew up (it says Portland, Or, is most likely what my dialect matches). I've lived away from Washington longer than I lived there, and in a number of places, so I've picked up words that go with the new regions. I think there are a few that probably fixed my place on the map (pop, potato bug, aunt, etc.)

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: SINSULL
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 11:10 AM

I sat next to a Cajun couple on a flight once. His voice was like music. I hadn't a clue what he was saying but it was so beautiful.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Charmion
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 10:56 AM

The New York Times quiz locates me in northernmost New York State, notably Buffalo and Rochester. I have lived in Ontario most of my life, so that makes sense.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Lighter
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 10:41 AM

"I Cain't Say No" imitates a strong working-class accent that's common in the South from West Virginia to Texas, dismissively stereotyped as a "hillbilly accent."

Gloria Grahame, who sang the song in the movie, was born and raised in far-off Los Angeles.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 10:24 AM

I have just tried the NY Times quiz for the UK & Ireland and it it pinned me down to the north west of England. I was born and brought up in Liverpool.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 08:43 AM

I remember being at an open mic in Chicago and a young man from Glasgow was singing two Woody Guthrie songs, as close to Woody's accent as he could. It didn't quite work.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 07:24 AM

Moving back to US, thinking of the musical "Oklahoma", that seems a bit different. Do people from there speak (or sing) like that? I cain't say no.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 07:09 AM

I've never been able to sort out American from Canadian unless the American one has something that I'd hear as being southern.

I'd fail on distinguishing Oz from NZ too.

Even in my own UK I'd fail although I probably wouldn't usually be too far out geographically. I'd not pick Yorkshire from Lancashire, Black Country from Birmingham or Geordie vs Mackem and wars can be started on things like this! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 06:35 AM

I tried the quiz to see if it would recognise me as being English but, after completing the 25 questions, it came up with a message saying "Sorry, there is a fault".

DC

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 06:00 AM

but I can do a; Boston, NYC, Phili, Portland and Chicago Illinois accent

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Apr 21 - 05:47 AM

i took this test and it says I have a Boise Idaho accent.

Subject: RE: BS: different usa accents
From: Lighter
Date: 25 Apr 21 - 10:00 AM

Try this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI57EKr7Pxw


And especially this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1KP4ztKK0A

But remember that many of these are still imitations.

And not everyone's regional accent in a particular locality - particularly a large city - is equally strong.