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Subject: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 02 May 21 - 05:03 PM

I have been unsuccessful in contacting anyone for permission to use Pittenweem Jo in upcoming cd. We are in the final days for assembling the music. I understand the current copyright holder is not in good health now. Should I abandon the hope of including this? Can anyone give permission for it to be used? I would gladly pay the copyright fee. There are literally about three days to solve this. Should I go ahead and try to sort it out later? There is no money to be made in this cd..just break even about.


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: GUEST,GuestTF
Date: 02 May 21 - 05:26 PM

mg. now is a very bad time. It's not going to be sorted soon. Sorry I can't help further.


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: GUEST,Ewan McVicar
Date: 02 May 21 - 05:27 PM

I assume you are in the USA or some other country that does not have a reciprocal arrangement with our MCPS / PRS.
I have had various experiences re permission for use of songs in the US. Some users are keen to press money on me, some do not even think of getting permission and just keep the money.
I sadly have come to the view that if it is not in anyone's ability or strong interest to pursue an abuser in the courts the baddie will get off with it.
Ewan


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 May 21 - 12:04 PM

Here's the answer I got from Susie Malcolm, who sings this song wonderfully:
    Dear Joe,



    I checked on the MCPS website and I found this info:



    Pittenmweem Jo

    MCPS Tune code: 0164993C

    Composer/Author John Leslie Watt

    Publisher: Neon Music



    When Jim and I use someone else’s song on a recording we get a license from MCPS and pay royalties to them, which are then forwarded to the copyright holders minus MCPS’s commission. I don’t know what the process is in the US.

    I hope that’s of some help.

    We knew John Watt – he was a really nice person, always very ready to laugh. He wrote some great songs and we sing a couple of them quite often. The last time we saw him we joined him on an old wooden bench he was sitting on. It collapsed under our combined weight and we all rolled about on the grass laughing. It’s a very happy memory.

    All the best,
    Susie


But as Ewan McVicar says, the USA does not have a reciprocal arrangement with MPCS, which makes it difficult.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: mg
Date: 03 May 21 - 02:51 PM

oops. when i went to website, which was hard to navigate, they said it would cost 140 euros. that is out of my price range. did i do it right? it is about ten cents per copy in us and canada.


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: mg
Date: 05 May 21 - 11:58 PM

it looks like it is not going to be included. i can't navigate the copyright situation.


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: GUEST
Date: 06 May 21 - 05:25 AM

I reckon that if 140 euro is out of your price range, you cannot be planning a seriously commercial CD? In my experience, sensible songwriters would quite happily give permission for use of a song on an issue of 500 or less.

A publishing company might not be so generous, but IF you are in USA or outside the jurisdiction of the UK, I'd just go ahead and do it.


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: Howard Jones
Date: 06 May 21 - 11:15 AM

€140 sounds a lot for a single track. In the UK the MCPS charges 6.5% of Retail Price x number of copies made. That's for the whole CD and is split between all the tracks. You don't pay for tracks which are non-copyright.

A run of 500 CDs to be sold at £10 each would cost £325 assuming all the tracks were copyright. Assuming 12 tracks of equal length, that's £27.08 per track. However for that number you could get a Limited Manufacture Licence for £163.40/£13.62 per track.

Different countries may have different rates but it still sounds a lot to me. Did you provide the website with information on all the tracks on the CD or just that one?


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: mg
Date: 06 May 21 - 11:36 AM

I think we are at zero chance of using song. It is. Not a seriously commercial cd. To say the least. Thanks to those who have been helpful.


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: GUEST
Date: 06 May 21 - 11:41 AM

just do it- nobody cares about such a disc as you describe- I know John Watt wouldn't mind if he was around- now if Taylor Swift wanted to do it, that's another story....


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 May 21 - 01:01 PM

When people asked about using my father's songs on CDs I simply asked for whatever the modest ASCAP amount was, usually under $100. The only reason was I figured it showed the song was copyright registered as existing and was his.


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: mg
Date: 06 May 21 - 04:13 PM

The problem is i cant produce without proof of permission and people who could give it are unavailable. unavailable.


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 May 21 - 11:10 PM

So, is that the end of it? It seems to me that there should be a reasonably easy way for US musicians to record UK songs, and vise-versa. Can anybody tell us the secret? This CAN'T be impossible.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 21 - 03:48 AM

I doubt it is impossible but copyright holder appears to be ill and is unavailable. I am almost to press and can.not devote any more time to this chase.


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: GUEST,Cj
Date: 09 May 21 - 05:03 AM

Are you using a cd duplication firm? If so, they won’t check if you tick the box saying you have permission, as legally it falls on you, not them.

So, it is possible to just go ahead and do it. Donate some money to charity to assuage any guilt.


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 21 - 05:06 AM

Yes, as I said earlier, go ahead and DO IT! It would be daft to see a lovely song omitted from the CD for no sensible reason, so GO FOR IT and stop messing us all about


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 09 May 21 - 08:29 PM

I use cd baby and in the past i have not had to tick a box but produce an email or something specifically granting permission..No one is messing you about. It is a lovely song and there is room at least on the disk for it but i am stuck and can not produce through cd baby without a permission. now please don't be rude. at this point, barring a miracle by tuesday, it is not on the cd. i do recommend that people listen to it as it is a wonderful song.


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Subject: RE: copyright permission for pittenweem jo
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 May 21 - 10:22 PM

I gather from a Mudcat thread (crosslinked above) that the songwriter died in 2011. I suppose that might be another John Watt, but Susie Malcolm's email also talked of him in the past tense.
-Joe-


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