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Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11

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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Nov 21 - 12:54 PM

So far my system hasn't nagged me to update. But I expect that to start one of these days. I tend to keep Microsoft at an arm's length, I don't logon to their network, I use a local computer password, etc.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Nov 21 - 06:23 PM

No I don't think so.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Nov 21 - 10:11 AM

But apart from the fun of putting two fingers up to microsoft
by defying and subverting their imposed restrictions..

.. is Win 11 actually worth all that effort...???


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Nov 21 - 08:11 AM

Worked well with a random installation file set, 22000.192 which is an early version. I will roll back to Windiws 10 and use the latest ISO. No need to mess with the registry for TPM and secure boot bypass!!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Nov 21 - 04:58 PM

Update on Win11 installation on an unsupported PC - simply delete the appraiserres.dll file found in the Sources folder of the ISO, and disable the initial search for updates!!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 13 Nov 21 - 03:38 AM

Here's a reason not to update to Windows 11:
If the latest Windows 11 really wants to use Edge, it will use Edge nomatter what
Microsoft Windows 11 build 22494 prevents links associated with the Microsoft Edge browser from being handled by third-party applications, a change one developer argues is anticompetitive.
...
Microsoft is not doing this for all web links – it hasn't completely rejected browser choice. It applies the microsoft-edge:// protocol to Windows 10 services like News and Interest, Widgets in Windows 11, various help links in the Settings app, search links from the Start menu, Cortana links, and links sent from paired Android devices. Clicking on these links will normally open in Edge regardless of the default browser setting.
"Microsoft isn’t a good steward of the Windows operating system. They’re prioritizing ads, bundleware, and service subscriptions over their users’ productivity."

The article mentions why the 'open this link in this browser' feature was invented - by Google Chrome, to overcome Apple's insistance on opening links in Safari.

My guess is that this is an attempt to divert advertising from Google Chrome - which is the most-used browser - to Microsoft Edge. But I suspect Google will not be easy to embrace, extend, and extinguish


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 04:01 PM

Windows 11 updated to version 21H2 22000.318!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 03:41 PM

Windows 11 KB5007215 update downloading as I type - so unsupported PCs not in the mire yet!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 04:59 PM

Best to regularly make system restore points, so that you can go back to a working system. There are plenty of videos showing how to get to the troubleshooting screen from BSOD!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 03:39 PM

BSOD isn't a harbinger of good things, Jon! I hope you work it out!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 03:31 PM

Oh yes, I just pulled the plug, restarted and it was fine. I'm on version 21H2 22000.282 on both unsupported PCs!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 08:31 AM

I've had the very occasional BSOD (black in Win 11) on my PC.

This may or may not be down to the 16GB PC 3600 RAM I fitted. I only looked at Crucial's site after ordering the memory from mazon. Crucial's info said it wasn't compatible with my motherboard. Other websites suggested that speed memory should be OK. I couldn't get it to work stably at full speed but using the board's default 2667 seemed OK.

Windows own memory test (sticking with default settings) gives an OK.
I've been entirely on Linux for the last 4 days and haven't had any problems.
But BSODs have crept into Win 11 for some reason.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 01:08 PM

I've had those popups on both our Win 10 machines, neither of which get close to the hardware requirements for Win 11 One is 11 years old. You need to to run the hardware checker program.

Reverting from Win 11 to Win 10 'should work' - but it depends on what's happened to the system since. And on everything going right!

On the subject of reversion, MS has invented a novel (I think) way of generating the scripts which revert files to their state before update: 'Reverse Update Data Generation'.

How Microsoft reduced Windows 11 update size by 40%

For more detail see also the links in that piece. You can see why reversion might not work!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 12:43 PM

My friend is getting popup messages urging him to update to Win 11. I haven't gotten those - so either my computer upgraded stealthily and I'm not aware of it (I say humorously - I doubt that very much) or I'm on a different schedule of notifications from the company. This is a Dell and I get Dell update screens every so often, so it might arrive with one of those.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 11:34 AM

Bonz - I wouldn't trust microsoft on that promise...

Back when win 10 was introduced as free offer install,
I bought a brand new win 8.1 PC and immediately before using it for anything else,
'upgraded' to win 10..

After several days struggling with problems, I decided to give up and roll back to Win 8.1.

Didn't work out so well, as 8.1 was now buggy, and some functions were broken.

I'm now prepared to consider win 10 might be more reliable for another attempt with a laptop this time..

But bugger win 11 - won't even consider risking it until I ever buy a new computer...


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 11:16 AM

Everything worked as with Windows 10, but Windows Update has been a little sticky over the last couple of days.

Don't forget you can go back to Windows 10 within 10 days of installation.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Nov 21 - 10:56 AM

A question: if you've done a recent Win 11 install (versus installing it last summer when it first came out) how much of your regular software did you have to fiddle with to get things back to how you use them? Did it delete features you like? Did you have to re-set your browser tabs, etc?

A friend called today to ask if I'd make the transition to 11, and we agreed it's a good thing to wait until a few people have already done it and the bugs are worked out (as much as they EVER work out the bugs). I've posted to this thread when I see articles about Win 11, but I may soon be joining the ranks of those to take the plunge.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 03:35 PM

Well, I'm a convert to affordable Chromebook 'laptops' for quick easy convenient
general purpose net surfing..

Better than tablets and mobile phones, and none of the PITA of microsoft..

Mine are Lenovo N22 - manufactured aimed at schools,
so they are sturdy durable construction.

The only real disadvantage with chromebooks is they come with a fixed date for becoming obsolete and no longer provided with system updates.

Approx 5 or 6 years.

Mine are due to stop updating within the next 12 months.

This is important to know if tempted by cut price deals.
You must enquire how long they have left for updates.

The hardware should still work for ages after, but without security and system updates.

Maybe they can be hacked for linux ?????

The latest affordable chromebooks are far more powerful and capable tech specs than my dependable little workhorses,
which are starting to slow down and freeze under the strain of 2021 bloated web pages...


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 02:35 PM

Joe, I found some good small appliances there (vacuums, crock pots, microwave, etc.) at good prices. And things like the detergent that goes in my carpet cleaner. But I also thought the last few years it had the look of going out of business without saying so.

Microsoft fixes Windows 11 features failing due to an expired certificate
Windows 11 features are no longer failing to load
If you’re running Windows 11, you should be offered the KB5008295 update today, and it will automatically install from Windows Update. This patch does require a reboot, and Microsoft notes it will address all of the issues from the expired certificate, including the accounts page in Windows 11 with S mode failing to load.

Microsoft was relatively quick to address these problems after the company discovered the certificate issue on Monday. It’s unusual for Microsoft to issue out-of-band patches that aren’t security-related for its Windows operating systems, and this is one of the first emergency-style fixes for Windows 11.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 02:18 PM

YeaH, I miss Fry's. Twenty years ago, it was a wonderland. In the ten years before it closed, it always looked like a failing business. It was never completely stocked - a huge store with lots of empty shelves. It was a wonderful source for computer equipment, but I think it made a mistake trying to sell televisions and appliances and candy bars and such.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 11:18 AM

My little "spare" computer is a 2013 Sony Vaio that is WiFi only, one of the USB ports doesn't work and I haven't found a battery to replace the one it came with (so it has to stay plugged in all of the time). It arrived with Win 8, was updated to Win 10, and I don't know that I want to bother with Win 11 on it.

The Dell XPX I'm using now was purchased a couple of years ago and came with Win 10. The old HP Pavilion Elite HPE is a quad core I bought with Win 7 for all of the heavy duty Adobe software I use and it still has my most recent releases (from work, not purchased by me). It has Win 10 on it now. The only way to upgrade it is to format the whole things and get it back to talking to the network, but I'd lose all of the installed software. I have a full backup, but I don't think it would put the software back without insurmountable complications. I move data into and out using a transfer cable that acts like another drive on both computers and has a built in software called EasySuite.exe.

I got the cable on sale from the online folks at Radio Shack: it's still around, and still selling useful stuff - though as Joe points out, my other and more reliable place was Fry's Electronics and it has completely vanished. They didn't even do "Going Out Of Business" sales, they just turned off the website and padlocked the doors one day.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 10:47 AM

As it happens, I was cursing dad's Lenovo laptop (and Linux and Realtek) last night. I like the machine in some ways. It is a better build than my ASUS and it make changing the drive and upgrading the RAM easy, proving an access cover for that. I don't think this ones A8 processor is the fastest in the world but it's ample for dad who rarely does more than email and web browsing. The main gripe I have with it is that I've never managed to get its wifi and bluetooth working. The last time I looked, it appeared these parts were unlikely to get supported. My workaround has been to use a RTL8821AU based combined wifi/bluetooth USB dongle but that has given me headaches from time to time.

Anyway, due to dad making an unexpected and generous offer I wasn't going to turn down I've got/will have some new things as well as a couple of upgrades coming up. As I will be getting a new Dell laptop, one debate I had was whether to pass my faster ASUS on to dad or to keep the Lenovo. I decided that, on balance, he was better sticking with the Laptop he likes and is familiar with but that I would fit it with an ssd and upgrade to 8GB RAM.

That went smoothly as did the fresh install of Opensuse 15.3 except I couldn't get wi-fi on the dongle working and neither my memory nor looking at the contents of the old hdd revealed how it had been working last time round. I started at about 10pm and I think it was about 2:30am when (thanks to instructions for a patch I found on line that I could apply to one source code) I finally managed to compile and install to get working wifi.

Anyway, a bit of an OT ramble but Joe may be pleased to know that this upgraded Lenovo is now on course for giving (I hope) a few more years useful service for dad here.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Nov 21 - 08:23 AM

About to upgrade cloned SSD to SSD from Windows 10 to 11 as administrator!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Nov 21 - 05:20 PM

My main computer is a 2013 Lenovo Thinkcentre which my boss was going to dump, and he said I could take it. Now running SDD with Windows 10 it is very fast, although sometimes meets its match with Photoshop!

I may clone that SSD on to a new one and upgrade to Windows 11 to see how it runs.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Nov 21 - 02:01 AM

Well, I dunno. I guess it's been a week now since I installed Windows 11. I bought a new computer last year because my 10-yr-old Windows
7 - 8.1 - 10 computer was finally slowing down and not handling this new Zoom program very well. The computer I got in March 2020 was what was available - better computers would take months to obtain. It was very sluggish, and even 32 GB of RAM didn't fix it. But it's running quite smoothly with Windows 11, so I'll postpone buying a post-COVID computer for now.
But I can't expand this computer much more, so I imagine I'll have it only a couple years more.
I sure think it's best to buy a computer you can expand. I loved that Lenovo I bought ten years ago, and I could improve it quite cheaply - but it had reached its time.
I'll be interested to see how long my stepson's computer will last. Ten years ago when he was a computer science major, I took him to Fry's (now gone) and bought him what he needed to build his own computer, on which he runs Linux. This was about the same time I bought my beloved Lenovo at a considerably lower price. He's still going strong with that computer. But now he has a job in Texas that pays a steady income. We'll see how long he keeps this computer. I'm sure that soon all he'll have left will be the original box. But I sure will be proud of him if he keeps that box.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Nov 21 - 09:06 AM

In that method, the appraiserres.dll file is renamed, and having put in the registry edits, the setup.exe file is run as administrator.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Nov 21 - 06:04 PM

This is the easiest method I have found for upgrading Windows 10 to Windows 11 on an unsupported PC, keeping all files + software.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Oct 21 - 11:05 AM

Whatever, if they stop I can simply install latest Windows 11 over a clone of my main PC's SSD running Windows 10!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 30 Oct 21 - 08:31 AM

Well I think your upgrades may go on for the entire lifespan of Win 11 or stop tommorrow Bonzo. That sort of uncertainly may, quite reasonably, put people off. If my own situation was one where I was reliant on an under Win 11 spec yet decent Win 10 machine, I'd not upgrade.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Oct 21 - 08:25 AM

Great advice for installing Windows 11 on unsupported PCs


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Oct 21 - 05:35 AM

Still getting Windows 11 updates on unsupported PCs!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 29 Oct 21 - 05:18 PM

Apparantly you can install Android apps into Windows Subsystem for Android from the Amazon Appstore, like the Amazon Fire tablet. It doesn't look too bad - you can play games on it.

Windows Subsystem for Android: What's the point?


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 29 Oct 21 - 02:58 PM

Well I've taken a look at the Android SoundHound app mentioned by SRS and have had it working both Linux on and on Windows 11 by using the Android SDK emulators (which btw have been quite a bit faster than my memory had it).

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Glad things are working well Joe.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 29 Oct 21 - 03:44 AM

With 32GB of memory it ought to be really quick, whatever processor it has. Have you tried something like this?
How to Troubleshoot Slow Performance Issues


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Oct 21 - 02:41 AM

Yeah, Bonzo, so far, so good. I bought this Dell Inspiron computer in March of 2020, and there wasn't much choice available. It was really sluggish. I bought 32 GB of RAM, and it was still sluggish - I'd copy something, and it wouldn't copy or wouldn't paste. I'd type something, and the display would be half a line behind. With a computer that's slow to respond, I can't help but make mistake.
But so far with Windows 11, the response seems much quicker.
Wish me luck.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 06:00 PM

You are lucky to have a "compatible" PC!! Arguably at least half the world doesn't.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 05:18 PM

Well, I'm always curious about new stuff and don't believe the naysayers very much and I have no major reason not to trust Microsoft, so I downloaded and installed Windows 11 on my computer when it became available to me this morning. Installation was very easy - took about an hour. So far, it seems to have a crisper response on my computer than I had with Windows 10, so maybe this is an improvement.
Wish me luck.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 02:22 PM

Fwiw, I had already put Andriod Studio on Win 11 as something I'd be looking for at some point and have just added an emulator.

I'm having a few problems (it seems reasonably responsive but the UI has the odd crash) with the emulator I chose and will try another but A snapshot of an emulated Pixel 2 running google maps.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 12:51 PM

Hmm, heres something I typed earlier but had decided not to post. Maybe it will give bonzo some ideas to try...

I started to look at the look at the new Windows System for Android but decided against opting in to the insiders program. It started me looking at running Android on Windows and there seem to be a few other ways:

There is an “Arc Welder” extension for Chrome which apparently can work with Windows.

There are a number of emulators which seem mostly targeted at gaming of which BlueStacks seems to get the most mentions

I feel all of these would need a bit of research in terms of possible ads, costs, and security.

You could install Android on VirtualBox or perhaps other virtual machine.

You could use the tools in the Android SDK. I have done this (eg via Android Studio) but found it slow. That said, it’s quite a while since I last had a play with Android development and things can change.

Both of these are probably more involved than your “average user” (whatever that is) might want.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 11:59 AM

Bonzo3legs wrote: But what if one doesn't have a microsoft account?
If you're asking about Anroid support, I've no idea. Maybe you can sideload an app, i.e. get the APK file from somewhere and install it yourself. But on Android some apps, particularly paid-for ones, require access to the Playstore to check that they are licenced, and otherwise do not work. Others - Firefox for example - do not: you can install them on any Android-like device.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 11:48 AM

You don't need a Microsoft account to log onto Windows, you just have to be persistent and click through the part where it wants you to logon to Microsoft. Use your own computer password.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 11:20 AM

But what if one doesn't have a microsoft account?


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 27 Oct 21 - 01:23 PM

Here's some more detail:
Introducing Android™ Apps on Windows 11 to Windows Insiders

AFAICS the publisher would have to get their app into Microsoft's web store, so they'd have to be persuaded that it was worth the effort (and cost?). SoundHound looks like they might think it's worth it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 21 - 11:10 AM

Dave Ro, regarding Android software on a Windows platform, some software like SoundHound would be good on the computer. If I want to ID something playing on the computer now I need to pull up the app on the phone and hold it up for identification. I hadn't heard about the company's other projects, but that "Hound" voice assistant sounds like a rival to Siri and Alexa.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Oct 21 - 10:38 AM

Well I had a change of plan and got an internal ssd instead of a usb drive and have transferred the Win 11 system onto that. The old Win hdd can serve as a cloned copy if needed. I looked at acronis but it seemed to be subscription software and for me (who generally dislikes paying for software anyway), that is a no go. I used Aoemi Backup Pro. It, together with their partioner pro (which I’d already used in free std form), were on some “Halloween bundle” offer which seemed reasonable to me.

As for Win 11 general usage, I’ve changed to single click and moved the start button to the left and it doesn’t really feel that different to me (although it would to mum who looks for differences rather than similarities) to using the OpenSuse Plasma 5 desktop.

I’d commented on wondering about MythTv before. Kodi works fine but I think its recording options with the mythtv plugin are weak. There was however a simple solution. I installed MythWeb on the server and that gives me quite a usable web interface I can use with Firefox on Windows.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 11:32 AM

That's probably a good idea, bonzo, thanks. I'll look into the program and probably get a USB disk to do this with but that will probably have to wait until next week.

For now though, I've done quite a few downloads and installs, have a reasonable group of programs set and am on Win 11 at the moment. So far, so good, but I think it will be a while before I decide whether or not this is a move for the better for me.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:44 AM

Jon, I suggest you clone your hard disc first so you have a backup of everything if things go pear shaped. Acronis is very good.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 08:02 AM

I tried twice to download the ISO but wound up with truncated files. A 5GB download takes ages with my not much more than 2Mbps connection so I didn't bother trying again.

I've not been that impressed with the Assistant method even with a PC MS says is OK though. I've been through this process twice with my PC (I decided to start afresh with Win 9 pro I bought rather than continue with the Win 9 Home version I'd taken by using a disk from another PC) and on both occasions, the upgrade failed at around 70% with some cryptic error message.

The first time, I thought it was because the Nvidia graphics card would not support Direct X 12 but, second time round, I had a compatible Nvidia graphics card with the latest drivers installed and it still failed. My best guess is that my system needs the drivers for the built Radeon grapics installed (and perhaps having that card in use - both my succesful attempts had this) before the upgrade will go throuh.

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One a diferent sujbject, triggered by a question Dave asked... I may find it an expensive mistake but I want to see how I get on with using Win 11 as the main OS on my desktop PC.

Most of the programs I use are cross platform and I can still do any server admin I might need via ssh. I'm not a great fan of dual boot in that I tend only to use the other OS when stuck and don't want to try the route of Win 11 on a virtual server or see if I can get more coplicatd programs running under wine. One program I do want to have a play with is the free for personal use version of Fusion 360 and there may be other examples of programs without Linux versions I'd like to try.

Whatever I wind up settling for, the rest of the system (which includes mums PC and dad's laptop) will remain on Linux, in my case both OpenSuse and Raspberry Pi OS.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 05:18 AM

From all my successful and unsuccessful (is that right - not successfull??) attempts to install Windows 10 on my unsupported PCs, I recommend that the ISO route is used, which is best installed immediately after download.

Download to hard drive and extract to a new folder. Download an appraiseres.dll file with all referenced to TMP and UEFI removed, and replace file in sources folder.

Install from setup file.

Checking PC should then be bypassed.

I found that an ISO downloaded on a previous day would not install for some reason!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 03:26 AM

Meanwhile, something new:
Microsoft unveils Android apps for Windows 11 (for US users only)
(That's the kind of long-text link that is now easy with this.)

I use an Android tablet. I doubt if there are many - any? - Android apps I would want to run inside Windows. I do have an app called Music Scanner which will play a piece of sheet music, but I can't imagine using it on a laptop; it needs a good camera for a start. And if you wanted to use Google Pay you'd need TPM 2 ;)


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