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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jun 22 - 03:33 PM

Left PC on when I popped home lunchtime to walk the greyhound - she lasted 20 yards in this heat!! Window 11 now nicely updated to latest version 22000.739


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jun 22 - 04:44 AM

Finally got Windows 11 back on my spare PC, albeit not the current version. Updates are being a bit sticky.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Jun 22 - 08:31 AM

Interesting that during an upgrade to Windows 11 it stuck on 59%, because it appears, Windows 10 was trying to install an update!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Jun 22 - 08:14 AM

What are you talking about, for a start you do not need a microsoft account.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jun 22 - 07:54 AM

I have assumed without evidence that Windows 11 is to insure that no vestige of privacy remain. In this Brave New World AI in this country is on the side of consumerism, in China AI is on the control side.

British democracy imo will be defeated by an algorithem and not an individual political party.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Jun 22 - 05:38 AM

Found a script which forbids Windows 11 to do compatibility checks, and oddly shows that Windows Server is being installed!!!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Jun 22 - 07:43 AM

Windows 11 updates still being accepted by non-compatible PC, and wind back to Windows 10 still works - albeit very slow on HDD.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 06 Jun 22 - 07:06 AM

Thanks MaJoc...

As far as I can make out, with my PC, it is an issue that can occur with certain AMD CPUs when IBS (apparently Instruction Based Sampling..) is enabled and the CPU goes into a certain power saving mode. AMD don't seem to have any plans for fixing it but it does not appear to cause any harm.

I think it would happen with Windows PCs too but I don't know how they handle it. Linux, as we know, can make some odd protests but, on this PC, I don't get them often, every couple of days at most.

As it stands, I'll just leave things alone.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 02:59 PM

Jon Freeman: At least your system's telling you something. It might be worth looking in the system logfiles for possibly-related messages .... that's how I found that my Linux laptop's occasional four-second pauses during boot were due to the solid-state disc getting remounted, which suggests it's wearing out.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 12:04 PM

Windows BSOD is nothing, tough luck if anyone doesn't keep a clone of the hard disk.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 05 Jun 22 - 06:27 AM

Way OT but it's not worth a new thread but here's a weird error message that pops up in shells on Linux on my deskto occasionallyp. I'm not sure I've seen another quite like it and it beats Windows BSODs:
Message from syslogd@worthy at May 31 04:53:43 ...
kernel:[273367.515568] Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 2d on CPU 4.

Message from syslogd@worthy at May 31 04:53:43 ...
kernel:[273367.515569] Do you have a strange power saving mode enabled?

Message from syslogd@worthy at May 31 04:53:43 ...
kernel:[273367.515570] Dazed and confused, but trying to continue

Whatever it means, things continue as normal and it doesn't seem to do any harm.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Apr 22 - 08:35 AM

You need to download the ISO, then right click and "mount" it to see the folder/ fileset. Copy and paste into a new folder. Then delete appraiserres.dll in the sources folder, which will stop Windows 11 finding PC is non- compatible. Start the installation but stop it checking for updates. Chose to keep apps and data.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 26 Apr 22 - 07:42 AM

He's done an 'in-situ' upgrade from 10 to 11, so installed applications should be unaffected. You should only have to reinstall your software if you've clean-installed Windows.

I think that's always been true, but there were technical and licencing reasons why you couldn't upgrade in-situ. ISTR For example that you could upgrade 7 to 10 in-situ (I did) but not if you'd upgraded to 7 from Vista. Or something like that.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Apr 22 - 04:52 PM

Keeping all software - now that's a trick! It isn't standard, is it? Usually you have to reinstall a bunch of stuff?


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Apr 22 - 04:05 PM

Cloned my Windows 10 SSD to a second SSD this afternoon which booted up nicely in my 11 year old PC. I then upgraded that to Windows 11, keeping all software and data.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Apr 22 - 12:17 PM

Updates still coming through OK on non compatible PCs!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Feb 22 - 12:15 PM

I'm [still] ignoring Win11 for now.

Do any of you backup to the cloud? What are you using and why did you choose it?


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 07:31 PM

There are a lot of people waiting - let them work out more of the bugs first. My routine in the past was to wait until there was the release of a major service pack to upgrade and fix things. I still have some of the academic versions on disk around here somewhere - they're very pretty and good to hang in the garden to scare off birds from the tomatoes.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 05:33 PM

Seems like there is a consensus to not do it?


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Jan 22 - 05:27 PM

I was going to go ahead and upgrade to 11 but it wasn't offering an easy way to do it, so heck with it for now. It's enough of a mess trying to get 10 up and running again (lots of stuff to reinstall because it thinks the backup was wiped.) All of this for a glitch in the right click context menu. Oy.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Jan 22 - 04:27 PM

Meanwhile, it testing land:

Microsoft brings Jenny, Aria, and more interface tweaks to new Windows 11 Insider build
Exorcising the ghost of Windows past

Microsoft has dropped another Windows 11 Insider build into the hands of unpaid testers, demonstrating it is serious about tidying up the mismatch of user interface cues in its flagship operating system.

Build 22543 arrived in the Dev Channel last night and while the company was keen to trumpet the arrival of more natural voices for its Narrator ("Jenny" and "Aria") and new keyboard commands, the updated visuals are a welcome bit of polish – particularly in light of the ravaging of Notepad and Task Manager.

After finally sorting out hardware indicators for the brightness and volume, today's emission brought tweaks to the media controls on the lock screen (for some Insiders) so it looks more like the design in Quick Settings when they are signed in.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Jan 22 - 11:01 AM

No new OSs on any other computers here until I get the main one up and running. I have a backup slowly wending from one drive to another because Windows assures me it will wipe all data on the drives once it does it's restoration of Win 10. The backup drive should be hands off, but that's just common sense, not the real world computer-wise. I've installed stuff from the backup before so once I have that information duplicated I can move forward.

The thing I haven't done is call Dell or Windows.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 03:50 PM

Why don't you download the Windows 11 iso from the microsoft site. Once downloaded, right click and mount the iso, copy all the files and folders to a new folder say on the desktop and run setup.exe and if your laptop is compatible with Windows 11 should install OK.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 10:46 AM

I don't have any installation software, it's coming from Dell, so it has to be via the Internet. I know - the days when they gave you a handful of DVDs felt like you had a little security as far as the operating system.

Yes, I have a smaller SSD C: drive for programs and OS, D: drive and extra hard drive for the rest.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Jan 22 - 08:17 AM

Best to install with internet disconnected in that case, then much quicker to install. Updates can follow by forced manual update. Is your hard drive SSD?


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 10:55 PM

Reinstall failed? Geez. Whatever is happening here is not letting itself be remedied by usual measures. I'm rescuing data from the external drive backup because it wants to use that to install a clean OS that deletes all data. Everything is paused while data is copied to another external drive on the old non-Internet computer. This is a Windows 10 catastrophic crash.

What a day.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 08:00 PM

Hours later, it is creeping along in the backup part of the operation. I should have disconnected the video drive.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Jan 22 - 01:16 PM

Well, crap. I'm on the little laptop in the kitchen, the backup computer, while Windows 10 is reset in the desktop. I got a continuous loop that I couldn't get out of trying to do System Restore to get rid of a glitchy right-click context menu problem. System Restore was supposed to go back a month, but instead I have error code 00021a, and the computer is ignoring my existing regular backup, instead making a new one (onto my backup drive, duh) and the reinstalling Windows 10.

Fuck it. I Guess I might as well install Windows 11 before going back to reinstall all of the non-Windows software that the reinstall is going to kill.

Thoughts?

Bonus point: I went over for a PCR COVID test this morning after feeling bad for a few days. The only place I've been in 2 weeks? I had to go to my doctor's office last week for a blood draw. Irony, illustrated. :-/


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Dec 21 - 08:13 AM

None whatsoever, other than for fun. Easiest and fastest method is from a copy of a mounted ISO, with internet disconnected to avoid the endless update sequence, which can be done afterwards.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Dec 21 - 10:29 AM

The first nag just appeared in the bottom of my screen last night. I pushed it out a week (and it tells me I can open one of the settings to push it to a farther out date. I'll do that when I'm not in the middle of something else.)

I did see a screen telling me what from Windows 10 will go away - and I'll also take a look at that.

My pattern has been to skip some of the new builds. I used Win7 on my main desktop, and then went to Win10. I didn't have a touch screen so didn't bother with the Win8 builds. Does anyone see a pressing reason for accepting the Win11 OS?


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 13 Dec 21 - 07:38 AM

My PC is Windows 11 compatible. The Windows 11 Installation Assistant is a Microsoft approved method and I made no attempt to trick the installation program. I did however find shortcomings in the Microsoft program.

My first installation attempt was made with an incompatible graphics card (insufficient Direct X???). The Microsoft program ought to have picked this up in its checks before proceeding with the upgrade but I only found out there was a problem when the program crashed with some cryptic error number. A third party program (a checker built into aomei partition assistant) revealed the incompatibility the MS program should have detected.

I still had what I think were graphic card issues with the upgrades without the incompatible card installed but I was able to find my way through that. Again, I attribute this to failures in the MS program.

Sine then, I have used the same Assistant method on my new Dell laptop. That went through without issue.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Dec 21 - 12:49 AM

I don't think I did anything to speed up the installation of Window 11 on my computer. It just came up as a notification from Windows Update, and I accepted it. It seems to manage memory and resources better than Windows 10. I bought my Dell computer in March, 2020. I got a ready-made computer because COVID had slowed shipping of custom computers to about 6 months. Right away, I was disappointed that the performance of the new computer was so balky. I could type half a line before it appeared on the screen. I upgraded RAM to 32 Gb, and that didn't help much. But after I installed Windows 11, the computer ran a lot more smoothly.
Nonetheless, I gave into temptation on Black Friday and bought the computer I should have bought last year. Now I have the fun job of moving to a new computer. The new computer had Windows 10 Pro, but offered me Windows 11 Pro during the setup process. But I can't use my new computer yet. It needs Display Port video cables if I want two monitors, so I have to wait for Amazon to deliver them.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Dec 21 - 01:42 PM

Thanks Bonz. I think I’ll stick with 10, it’s supported until 2025 so no mad rush…


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Dec 21 - 12:46 PM

Absolutely no point at all in upgrading to Windows 11, hardly any difference from Windows 10 in my view.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Dec 21 - 10:19 AM

"You need to find people with a compatible PC to answer your question Backwoodsman"

yep, that's precisely what I was hoping to find when I posed my question above, Bonz! But it looks like only the Techno-Geeks and Backdoor-Boys have done it so far?

I'm looking for the experiences of normal, old musician-types - people like me - who have no interest in buggering about for hours on end trying to defeat Microsoft, and who just want to know if the 'upgrade' works, and is Win 11 any good.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 12 Dec 21 - 08:14 AM

You need to find people with a compatible PC to answer your question Backwoodsman, but there is no reason I can see why not. Just remember that you have just 10 days to roll back to Windows 10 with data and software intact, otherwise a clean install of Windows 10 would be necessary, which is why I recommend making a clone of your hard disc before upgrading to Windows 11.

Incidentally, I did an upgrade from 10 to 11 yesterday with wifi disconnected, which took less than half the usual time without the endless updates sequences. This produced version 22000.318 which was the October release.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Dec 21 - 07:39 AM

Well, I have to assume that no-one has ‘upgraded’ to 11 by the ‘proper’ route then? Guess I’ll log out again and return to anonymity….


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Dec 21 - 03:48 PM

Not really, but ‘Updates’ keeps nagging me to ‘upgrade’ - my Dell laptop is five months old and guaranteed, at the time I purchased it, to be ‘Windows 11-ready’. I don’t know anyone here in the Real World who has switched to 11, and the guys here who have switched seem to get off on trying to do it the most difficult way possible.

I just wondered if anyone normal has switched by the recommended method, how the ‘upgrade’ process went, and how 11 performs.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Dec 21 - 03:24 PM

That will be my approach when the time comes, but I'm not interested in wasting a day trying to put things back where I want them.

Good luck if you're thinking about making the jump!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Dec 21 - 02:20 PM

So....has anyone 'upgraded' from Win 10 to 11 by the 'standard', straightforward method via MS-Updates, without playing about trying to outwit MS by being 'clever' and techno-geeky?

If so...how did it go and does it play nice? Enquiring minds need to know...


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Nov 21 - 12:21 PM

Update to version 22000.348 now on!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Nov 21 - 12:54 PM

So far my system hasn't nagged me to update. But I expect that to start one of these days. I tend to keep Microsoft at an arm's length, I don't logon to their network, I use a local computer password, etc.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Nov 21 - 06:23 PM

No I don't think so.


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Nov 21 - 10:11 AM

But apart from the fun of putting two fingers up to microsoft
by defying and subverting their imposed restrictions..

.. is Win 11 actually worth all that effort...???


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Nov 21 - 08:11 AM

Worked well with a random installation file set, 22000.192 which is an early version. I will roll back to Windiws 10 and use the latest ISO. No need to mess with the registry for TPM and secure boot bypass!!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Nov 21 - 04:58 PM

Update on Win11 installation on an unsupported PC - simply delete the appraiserres.dll file found in the Sources folder of the ISO, and disable the initial search for updates!!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 13 Nov 21 - 03:38 AM

Here's a reason not to update to Windows 11:
If the latest Windows 11 really wants to use Edge, it will use Edge nomatter what
Microsoft Windows 11 build 22494 prevents links associated with the Microsoft Edge browser from being handled by third-party applications, a change one developer argues is anticompetitive.
...
Microsoft is not doing this for all web links – it hasn't completely rejected browser choice. It applies the microsoft-edge:// protocol to Windows 10 services like News and Interest, Widgets in Windows 11, various help links in the Settings app, search links from the Start menu, Cortana links, and links sent from paired Android devices. Clicking on these links will normally open in Edge regardless of the default browser setting.
"Microsoft isn’t a good steward of the Windows operating system. They’re prioritizing ads, bundleware, and service subscriptions over their users’ productivity."

The article mentions why the 'open this link in this browser' feature was invented - by Google Chrome, to overcome Apple's insistance on opening links in Safari.

My guess is that this is an attempt to divert advertising from Google Chrome - which is the most-used browser - to Microsoft Edge. But I suspect Google will not be easy to embrace, extend, and extinguish


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 04:01 PM

Windows 11 updated to version 21H2 22000.318!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Nov 21 - 03:41 PM

Windows 11 KB5007215 update downloading as I type - so unsupported PCs not in the mire yet!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Nov 21 - 04:59 PM

Best to regularly make system restore points, so that you can go back to a working system. There are plenty of videos showing how to get to the troubleshooting screen from BSOD!!


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