Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 - (12!)

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 - (12!)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Jan 24 - 03:09 PM

From PC Magazine:

Microsoft Needs to Get Serious About Its Windows 10 Upgrade Problem
By October 2025, more than a billion PCs will be running a dead operating system, leaving many computers vulnerable to malware or headed for the trash. What's Microsoft going to do about it?

The Windows 10-pocalypse is a short two years away. On Oct. 14, 2025, Microsoft will stop issuing security updates for Windows 10 PCs, at which point most of the world’s PCs—about one billion computers—will be running a dead operating system, like Windows XP. And most of those computers can't upgrade to Windows 11.

Microsoft Is Abandoning Most PCs on the Planet
Half of the readers of my Windows Intelligence newsletter are still using Windows 10 on their primary PC. The one billion estimate comes from two sources: Microsoft, which has said there are more than 1.4 billion Windows PCs, and Statcounter, which shows that the vast majority of PCs on the planet—more than 70%—run Windows 10.

Worse yet, this isn’t like when Microsoft stopped supporting Windows 7. Those PCs could upgrade to Windows 10, but this time around, many Windows 10 PCs don't support Windows 11, at least not officially. If you can't afford to buy a new PC, you'll be left out in the cold after Oct. 14, 2025. From a security perspective, it’ll be as if you were using Windows XP or Windows 7.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 - (12!)
From: DaveRo
Date: 29 Dec 23 - 03:49 AM

I've never seen Windows 11, but from what I've read it seems not to be so much an operating system - for running programs or apps - but more an advertising platform. Microsoft makes most of its money (from ordinary PC buyers, as opposed to businesses) from selling cloud services and subscription software - such as One Drive and Office 365 - so it pushes people into using those. Google obviously does the same with ChromeOS, of course. Does Apple? Dunno; I haven't used a Mac since the original one in the 80's. But my impression is that MacOS is the nearest thing to an Operating System these days.

I'm not sure when this first happened. Win 8? My wife runs Win 10 and it offers weather forecasts (useless) and 'suggests' content she 'might like', which is irritating and intrusive. It's still possible to run without a Microsoft Account, but it needs extra work.

Microsoft is investing heavily in AI, and that piece about Windows 12 suggests that AI might be the main reason for its (apparantly) sudden appearance. Microsoft are building PCs with Neural Processing Units (NPUs) to speed up AI. What AI? In Windows itself? So you need an operating system to support new hardware which is used by ... the operating system? What's the benefit for the PC user?

The only reason my wife needs Windows (she ran Linux for 3 months at my suggestion) is for Powerpoint; the LibreOffice equivalent, Impress, is just not good enough. Hopefully she'll stop needing that before the end of 2025. The 2012 laptop is still working fine.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 - (12!)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Dec 23 - 02:30 PM

You're right about that! I skipped ME (used Win2000/NT), never had Vista, kept Win7 in play a long time so mostly skipped Win8, and am still using Win10.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 - (12!)
From: Ed.
Date: 28 Dec 23 - 02:15 PM

Does anyone else tend to skip an OS with Windows and do every other one?

It's not a strategy that I've ever used, although I've missed a couple along the way. It might be a good idea, but that depends where you started, I think.

If you'd decided to install Windows ME, ignored XP, went straight to Vista, followed by Windows 8, then possibly not...

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11 - (12!)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Dec 23 - 02:56 PM

Running this up to the top again with a hint of the change in the title. Does anyone else tend to skip an OS with Windows and do every other one?

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Dec 23 - 05:58 PM

Aha! A whiff of news about Windows 12 (you know they were going to do it!)

Windows 12 FAQ: Yes, it's coming in 2024 (and more surprising predictions)
Microsoft isn't talking, but I've collected rumors, speculation, and wild-ass guesses about the next version of Windows in this FAQ to help you get ready.
From ZDNet

Well, Windows as a Service was fun while it lasted. Microsoft buried that idea once and for all with the release of Windows 11 in 2021. And judging by the latest crop of rumors, it appears we're now back on a schedule that includes a new major version of Windows every three years. Next up: Windows 12, sometime in 2024.
Microsoft is being typically close-mouthed about its plans for the next version of Windows, of course. But the rumor mill has been working overtime in recent months, helped along by some (perhaps strategic) leaks from partners that suggest we will indeed get yet another "big bang" release in 2024, roughly three years after the launch of Windows 11.

What can you expect from Windows 12?
I've got some predictions based on more than 30 years of experience with the operating system everyone loves to hate.

Seriously, Windows 12?
OK, I guess that's technically a question, so the judges will allow it.

Windows 11 was a (more or less) complete surprise from Microsoft. With that as precedent, though, the idea of a new major release is considerably less surprising. A new version number offers marketing possibilities that Redmond can exploit along with its hardware partners (HP, Lenovo, and Dell, primarily). It also offers an excuse to rev up consumers and business customers. So, expect to see some TV ads pitching new features in familiar form factors in the new year.

Will Microsoft include AI features in Windows 12?
Oh, this one's easy. Of course Windows 12 will be chock-full of AI features because that's what Microsoft is doing with everything now. The Copilot feature is already available as a preview in Windows 11 and Windows 10, and there's no doubt it will continue to expand its capabilities over time.

Will Microsoft's customers find those features valuable or useful? Will they generate enough revenue to satisfy Microsoft shareholders? Those are still open questions.

One thing you can reasonably expect is that new PCs designed for Windows 12 will include hardware features, including custom neural processing units that are optimized for the AI features in Windows. Microsoft has already included this support in its Arm-powered Surface Pro, and the company has built its own Arm-based processors to make Azure better at handling AI-related tasks. I expect to see some of those silicon features trickle down to the Surface PC line in the Windows 12 era.

Will the hardware requirements change for Windows 12?
One of the most turbulent changes in Windows 11 was a new set of hardware requirements that essentially locked out older hardware. I'm betting that Microsoft won't make major changes to that hardware baseline with Windows 12. All of those PCs should be fully capable of running what will probably be a minor upgrade in the form of Windows 12.

Don't be surprised, though, to see some new hardware requirements for specific AI-based features (speech and image processing, for example), but any PC that meets the requirements for Windows 11 should perform acceptably on Windows 12.

Is Microsoft going to get more serious about Arm-based PCs?

Yes. I expect the next generation of Windows PCs to be a huge step up in performance, battery life, and manageability. Intel has every right to be nervous about what's coming, as I noted earlier in this article. Qualcomm couldn't deliver its SoCs in time for the fall 2023 cycle, but they will certainly be ready for Windows 12.

If the Nuvia acquisition delivers for Qualcomm, that device should have performance and battery life that are close to Apple's devices and could pass the "good enough" test, especially at lower price points. That launch might even be accompanied by a preview of Windows 12, with some Arm-specific enhancements.

Qualcomm's long-rumored Snapdragon Elite X chip was officially announced in October, and should be available by mid-2024, just in time for a Windows 12 debut. The company says its new chip can match the performance of Intel's fastest laptop CPU while using nearly 70% less power. AMD and Nvidia are also reportedly working on Arm-based designs that will be ready in 2025.

What changes can we expect in the Windows 12 user experience (UX)?
I don't expect to see any major UX changes in Windows 12. Everything that was introduced in Windows 11 feels like a baseline. It's reasonable to anticipate that we will see refinements to those Windows 11 UX features, specifically addressing some complaints of longtime Windows users, including the capability to move the taskbar to the top or side of the primary display.

Several veteran Windows watchers have speculated that Windows 12 will add a floating search bar and move some elements of the taskbar to the top of the screen, making the Windows experience more Mac-like. More than a year ago, Windows Central's Zac Bowden spotted those elements from a design prototype of Windows 12 in a Microsoft presentation at its Ignite conference. It's also possible that these changes will appear as user-configurable options alongside the more familiar Windows 11 UX.

Will Windows 12 run all my old Windows apps?
One of the core selling points of Windows through the years has been its relentless focus on backward compatibility with apps and services. I predict that won't change in 2024.

I do, however, expect to see Microsoft ratchet up its security over older apps, which represent a perennial security threat to anyone who uses a Windows PC. The company has been quietly running virtual PCs in its own cloud, under the Windows 365 moniker, for several years. On local hardware, it's invested a ton of resources in virtualizing core Windows functions so they're less vulnerable to traditional attacks.

You can expect both of these efforts to step up big time in Windows 12. On Arm-based PCs, in particular, don't be surprised to see features that run legacy Win32 apps in virtual sessions that are sandboxed to prevent them from tampering with the operating system. That will annoy malware developers, but it should be a net positive for anyone using a Windows PC.

What will be the official name of the next version of Windows?
I suppose it's possible that someone in Redmond could convince the powers that be to go back to doing dumb names instead of version numbers (Me, XP, Vista). But since Windows 7 in 2009, it's been all numbers, and that's where the smart money is placing its bets. If you're looking for a longshot bet, put a few bucks on Microsoft including the word Copilot in the product's official name.

When will Windows 12 be available to the public?
For the official public release, I've carved out a three-month window in my calendar, starting in late July and extending to late October. Those are the traditional H2 dates when Microsoft releases a new Windows version, and there's no reason to expect that to change this time around. Insider builds should appear roughly three months before the final release, maybe a bit longer.

Will Windows 12 expand support for running Android apps?
This has been one of the most tantalizing rumors to me. The Windows 11 Subsystem for Android is more of a proof of concept than a productivity booster, thanks to its most serious limitation: The only apps it can install are those in Amazon's meager app store.

The most obvious way to expand this capability is to open access to the Google Play Store for the Android on Windows subsystem. Given the eternally fraught nature of the relationship between Google and Microsoft, it's hard to imagine that the two companies can work out that deal. But ... never say never?

How much will Windows 12 cost?
Historically, most people buy Windows on a new PC and never pay Microsoft directly. I don't expect that fact to change in the Windows 12 era, nor do I expect Microsoft to raise its prices in this economy.

I don't usually do a long copy/paste of these articles, but sometimes they go away, so I thought I'd keep the whole thing here for reference.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 09:29 AM

Techie Warning:

> Modern large drives are supposed to have gone to SMR (shingle
> magnetic recording)

Or HAMR (heat-assisted), or possibly both in the same drive.

> Unless you really need a lot of storage, a large hd is an affectation.

*Agree*. The problem here is that, once people have a huge drive, they neglect (and then forget) to throw away date-expired data, and then back up everything "just in case". I know I do.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 12:55 PM

I want a hard drive to store the entire OS and data so the thing can be restored with everything installed. You can't do that kind of backup on the cloud (at least not that I've found - if one exists, please tell me).

I store my photos on the cloud (in space I rent annually at Microsoft).

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 11 Oct 23 - 04:35 AM

No hurry:
Not even the ghost of obsolescence can coerce users onto Windows 11

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: EBarnacle
Date: 16 Oct 23 - 07:59 AM

Lady Hillary and I are the cadre at our regional rummage sale computer department. A customer came in, tire kicking, and we discussed his needs. He had, a day or two previously, purchased a refurbished Windows 10 computer on eBay with a 500 gig hard drive for $350. He realized, after our discussion, that a: it was overpriced and b: since he stores almost everything in the cloud, he really does not need that large a hard drive. He ended up purchasing two 320 gig laptops @ $120 each and deciding to send back the other.
Unless you really need a lot of storage, a large hd is an affectation.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Oct 23 - 11:28 PM

The Amazon Prime sale this week has given a half-off price on a 16T external backup drive, so I'll set it up to do a full backup (setting aside the smaller-capacity drive I have used) and then I'll see about updating to Windows 11. I didn't want to try it until I had a new full backup.

It's a good way to kill a weekend.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Oct 23 - 02:17 PM

Just yesterday saw a 14TB Seagate HD in Costco. Holy Hannah.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Oct 23 - 02:10 PM

I've had good luck with large hard drives at Costco. The problem is I can't find good info on the technical side: Modern large drives are supposed to have gone to SMR (shingle magnetic recording) but for a particular drive I don't know how to look up the tech data.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 12:55 PM

I want a hard drive to store the entire OS and data so the thing can be restored with everything installed. You can't do that kind of backup on the cloud (at least not that I've found - if one exists, please tell me).

I store my photos on the cloud (in space I rent annually at Microsoft).

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 25 Oct 23 - 09:29 AM

Techie Warning:

> Modern large drives are supposed to have gone to SMR (shingle
> magnetic recording)

Or HAMR (heat-assisted), or possibly both in the same drive.

> Unless you really need a lot of storage, a large hd is an affectation.

*Agree*. The problem here is that, once people have a huge drive, they neglect (and then forget) to throw away date-expired data, and then back up everything "just in case". I know I do.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: EBarnacle
Date: 16 Oct 23 - 07:59 AM

Lady Hillary and I are the cadre at our regional rummage sale computer department. A customer came in, tire kicking, and we discussed his needs. He had, a day or two previously, purchased a refurbished Windows 10 computer on eBay with a 500 gig hard drive for $350. He realized, after our discussion, that a: it was overpriced and b: since he stores almost everything in the cloud, he really does not need that large a hard drive. He ended up purchasing two 320 gig laptops @ $120 each and deciding to send back the other.
Unless you really need a lot of storage, a large hd is an affectation.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Oct 23 - 02:17 PM

Just yesterday saw a 14TB Seagate HD in Costco. Holy Hannah.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Oct 23 - 02:10 PM

I've had good luck with large hard drives at Costco. The problem is I can't find good info on the technical side: Modern large drives are supposed to have gone to SMR (shingle magnetic recording) but for a particular drive I don't know how to look up the tech data.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 11 Oct 23 - 04:35 AM

No hurry:
Not even the ghost of obsolescence can coerce users onto Windows 11

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Oct 23 - 11:28 PM

The Amazon Prime sale this week has given a half-off price on a 16T external backup drive, so I'll set it up to do a full backup (setting aside the smaller-capacity drive I have used) and then I'll see about updating to Windows 11. I didn't want to try it until I had a new full backup.

It's a good way to kill a weekend.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 03:46 PM

Windows 10 is still available free from the Microsoft site using the Media Creation Tool.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 03:26 PM

Dave, the reason there is such duplication of methods of doing things, as you illustrated, is because we all have our preferred approaches. For years I used a specialized keyboard that didn't have a Windows key, it was built to emulate the IBM Selectric keyboard. They did add the F keys at the top, but I have always been out of the habit of doing anything OTHER than mouse to the Windows start icon on the screen.

So, yes. I had to hunt for the icon.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 03:23 PM

Stilly River Sage wrote: I have to hunt to find the Start button..

Windows key?
Or control-escape?

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: meself
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 02:56 PM

This modern world often has me pondering deep and ultimately unanswerable questions such as: Why wouldn't they just leave the 'start button' over in the lower left corner?

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 02:40 PM

Win11 was installed on the computers at the museum where I volunteer, so I'm getting a look at how it works. Nothing particularly impressive there, and as Joe points out, I have to hunt to find the Start button to log out my account on a community computer.

I'll keep my eyes open for Win12.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 03:29 AM

Support for Win 8 ended this month, so no more security updates. Win 7 support ended 3 years ago unless you paid for it, and it still has a 10% share.

Win 10 has a 68% share and will be supported till October 2025, which could well be extended. Win 11 currently has 17%.

This is the end, Windows 7 and 8 friends: Microsoft drops support this week

You can no longer buy Win 10, though it's apparantly easy to find a downloadable copy. A lot of them will be booby trapped. Win 11 won't run on 32 bit PCs if you still have one of those.

Meanwhile Microsoft is trying to make Office less of a target for malware.

Microsoft closes another door to attackers by blocking Excel XLL files from the internet

Microsoft is checking everyone's bags for unsupported Office installs

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Jan 23 - 02:30 AM

The thing that bugged me most about Windows 11 was that I couldn't find the "Start" button since it got moved to the middle. I came across an article that said I could right-click a blank space on the taskbar, select "taskbar settings" and then "taskbar behavior" on the bottom of the list, and then "left" for "taskbar alignment." Now the "Start" button is back on the lower-left corner of my screen, where I'm used to finding it.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Oct 22 - 01:55 PM

Could be

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 30 Oct 22 - 01:41 PM

Different hardware?

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Oct 22 - 02:48 AM

Version 22H2 update shown on my PCs but not Mrs Bonzo's running Win 10 home for some reason?

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 28 Oct 22 - 11:56 AM

Old astronomers' adage: If you haven't written it down, you may as well not have made the observation.

Old computer adage: If you haven't tested it, you may as well not have made the backup.

See also "Schofield's second law" (including the quotes in the net search) for related enlightemnents. Disengage lecture mode.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 27 Oct 22 - 04:42 PM

Stilly River Sage wrote: Also maybe put in a fresh external drive and keep a recent one separate from the machine (because if the machine is compromised by malware it goes for all external drives including the backup drive.

Your comment made me wonder whether cloud storage was vulnerable to ramsomeware. Short answer: yes it is (you can google the question). So a USB dive not left plugged in (we discussed in an earlier thread) is probably safer.

I ought to check that my Aomei backup can actually be used to restore the machine if the disk (it's an SSD) failed. But I haven't.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 22 - 12:14 PM

The thing with Windows 10 is that it has the option of using the old Win7 backup, and I have that going. I was looking at adding file history and just have to make the move to use it also. Also maybe put in a fresh external drive and keep a recent one separate from the machine (because if the machine is compromised by malware it goes for all external drives including the backup drive.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 27 Oct 22 - 11:47 AM

I don't use cloud backup on a PC but I doubt that backup data being 'in the cloud' - i.e on a remote file server as opposed to being on a local disk - makes any difference at all.

The program* making the backup, and restoring the data, may be affected, depending on what features it has. That program might be part of the OS, such as Win 10's 'File History' facility, or a separate program such as Aomei Backupper (both of which I use). If I were upgrading to Win 11 I'd check whether those still worked, and whether the old backups are restorable.

* or 'app' as Windows now likes to call them

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Oct 22 - 10:59 AM

Are any of you using a cloud backup? How is that impacted when you upgrade to the next OS?

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 26 Oct 22 - 09:32 AM

Bonzo3legs wrote: Am I supposed to notice a difference in speed?

It depend what you run on it. My PC, about the same age, has has 6 cores (i7-3960X). The only thing that I know uses them all - because it tells me - is compiling.

I've noticed that ffmpeg has a '-threads' parameter but never tried it to see whether it encodes more quickly.

Does Adding More Cores Mean Better Performance?

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Oct 22 - 09:29 AM

.... Oh, and don't forget to check how much swap space you've got on your hard drive, and whether it's being hammered by excessive swapping. Virtual memory's always slower than the real thing.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 26 Oct 22 - 09:19 AM

Not necessarily, if you mean hyperthreading: what you get is each internal core looking like two, because it's being being timeshared between two threads. The illusion relies, amongst other things, on main memory being slower than the CPU core, so a single core would be busy-waiting on instructions from memory for much of the time.

Whether you see a speedup will depend on quite how many things you (and your software) are doing at the same time, and whether your system is busy-waiting on the spinning rust, or your network connection, or ....

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Oct 22 - 08:24 AM

My 11 year old spare PC is a dual core, but 2 further cores can be enabled in bios, which I did last night. Am I supposed to notice a difference in speed?

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: DaveRo
Date: 23 Oct 22 - 09:42 AM

Well, here it is for anybody who can find a use for it:
Microsoft's Windows Subsystem for Android finally gets its stable release

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Sep 22 - 05:47 AM

I now have Win11 right click context menus back to Win 10 format!!!

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Sep 22 - 09:39 PM

Yep, you’re probably right on the button there, Maggie! Time will tell but, in the meantime, Win 10 is working fine for me, and I see no reason to spend time, and risk hassles, upgrading to 11.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Sep 22 - 08:42 PM

John, in the next three years Windows 12 will probably appear, supplanting Win11. I quite often skip a generation of the Windows programs and go with the next one. Always getting the PRO version.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Sep 22 - 04:52 PM

I now have Windows 11 22H2 on a spare PC with a 3000Mhz processor - BIOS dated 09/03/11 without a microsoft account - so up yours microsoft!!!!!

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Sep 22 - 03:52 PM

”I'm still using Win10 on both of my devices.”

Me too, Maggie. Win 10 is slated for support until 2025, I’m sticking with it until I’m convinced Win 11 is a safe option with a problem-free upgrade routine. No-one I know in the Real World has upgraded thus far…

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Sep 22 - 03:15 PM

Fixed - I used the wrong ISO, it must have the same language as existing operating system. NO problems when I used the English USA ISO!!

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Sep 22 - 07:30 AM

I intend to get to the bottom of the 22H2 failings, no doubt others will have the same problem and a fix will appear in youtube!!

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 24 Sep 22 - 06:39 AM

I still have Windows 10 on my main PC. My spare is now back on win11 ver 21h2 which will be supported until 2024.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Sep 22 - 05:16 PM

I'm still using Win10 on both of my devices. There was an opportunity to upgrade to Win11 when I restored this desktop earlier this year, but the system didn't offer it at the time and I wasn't going to go looking for it.

Subject: RE: Tech: They lied, Here's Windows 11
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 Sep 22 - 04:01 PM

Windows 11 22H2, the annual big update will load on to incompatible PCs running Windows 10, but Settings didn't seem to be fully functional, neither was roll back to Windows 10. I think perhaps those bastards at microsoft are to blame.