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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 02:48 PM

Relative to the size of a normal schoolroom globe these guys went several millimeters above Earth.
Musk has plans for Mars which in relative terms is a mile away.

Sometimes you can almost see the Kamen line as in this photo


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: robomatic
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 12:11 AM

That last video, from PFR, mentioned that Bezos' rocket was hydrogen and oxygen. I thought it was pretty quiet, considering, but I do not know what the recording conditions were. And certainly a rocket to orbit would be considerably larger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 07:15 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T39XgrKXUwU&ab_channel=NovaraMedia


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jul 21 - 06:45 PM

billionaires in space


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Jul 21 - 03:24 PM

Bezos in Space - "I coulda been a contender"


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: robomatic
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 10:51 AM

A buddy of mine when his kids were real young, had a couple of T-shirts made for himself and wife that said "Fight Entropy". He had one made for each of his kids that said "Support Entropy".


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 03:17 AM

Gravity sucks


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 01:38 AM

The Mekon is out there laughing his head off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: robomatic
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 01:26 AM

"Jim, you can't show that on CBS!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: robomatic
Date: 20 Jul 21 - 10:15 PM

He did it cheaper than NASA. He had the oldest and the youngest passenger sent into space to date, and his own (Bezos') brother. The rocket booster that carried the capsule self landed separately. You could see how little was required to sent the payload up, as the rocket was narrower than the capsule with the passengers (none of them was in command of the flight). It was made to look far easier than it truly was.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jul 21 - 07:06 PM

A billionaire does a vanity "space" flight lasting ten minutes. On so many levels it's just bloody obscene.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Jul 21 - 06:58 PM

robo its a good way to succinctly say gravity is forever. How close you want to look is a decision, not a boundary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: robomatic
Date: 20 Jul 21 - 05:11 PM

And now our Jeff has gone and returned alive with his passengers. A good time was had, but it was "dark".

I think I'd think about it if I could have an espresso while I was up there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Jul 21 - 02:50 AM

mascon
gravity anomaly


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Jul 21 - 05:29 PM

"Everything affects everything" is a blandishment that allows anyone to say anything. The effect is to diminish the relevance of anything that someone says.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jul 21 - 07:45 AM

Mr. Red is engaging in ultimate hair splitting. Where do you draw the line between force and distance? We fudge it.


technically we don't share identical gravity even at sea level due to density differences. At an altitude of 1 mile air density will be a greater factor than less gravity and immensly more than time slowing.

everything effects everything to a point.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jul 21 - 03:07 AM

Well it's easy enough to knock someone down by quoting half of their sentence, leaving out the vital caveat. As for the rest of your post, call me Mr Thickie but I don't know what you're on about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Jul 21 - 02:42 AM

You'd have to go a hell of a long way from Earth to be even close to truly "weightless,"

Well now. The ISS achieves something that you cannot gainsay, because whatever you argue, the error will be unmeasurable, by you. And most people. And while we are being pedantic, and measuring our weight in ato-Newtons, could we point out that Earth's pull on orbiting objects varies around the circumferencial because of mascons eg around Hawaii. The alleged thing that slammed into us and produced the Moon, it is postulated, left a denser lump of mass in the Earth. NASA knew to calculate for this very early on. Earth is not a sphere per se, nor a perfect oblate spheroid.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 08:50 PM

If Steve used a weapon to rob a bank I would NOT praise him... if he used a kitten to rob 3 banks I would praise him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 08:45 PM

I remember the pilot who died flying the Branson spaceship.
The co pilot is crippled for life. Its worth an honorary mention.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 07:23 PM

"He delivered on his promise. Which is more than many of the earthbound achieve."

Well I could promise to rob three banks a day for the next week, but you wouldn't praise me if I delivered on it, would you? I think one or two of us here could do with being just a little more "earthbound," actually...


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 06:20 PM

I think Musk is perfectly willing to let Bezos and Branson have temporary headlines. He knows he is way ahead of them with a powerful, dependable system... and he can land them over & over. I have no idea whether he is planning a trip himself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: robomatic
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 05:22 PM

I'm pretty sure Branson and his companions achieved weightlessness. They merely didn't orbit.

He delivered on his promise. Which is more than many of the earthbound achieve.

As far as political ideologies go, it is easier to achieve flight with two wings than one.

For some reason I'm reminded of Heinlein's book, "The Man Who Sold The Moon." It was about a financial titan who decides to go to the moon, and his mixture of finagling and idealism to accomplish his task. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if all our spacefacing billionaires of the present have read it, especially Musk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 12:34 PM

Stephen Hawking was once gifted with a short period of weightlessness in a plane flying a ballistic arc.

"On April 26, 2007, astrophysicist Stephen Hawking
    experienced microgravity aboard a modified Boeing 727."


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 06:14 AM

try out your god like powers in space


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 06:02 AM

You'd have to go a hell of a long way from Earth to be even close to truly "weightless," Jos, if by that you mean so far away that the effect of the Earth's gravity becomes, in effect, negligible (there's gravity everywhere,though). There's no sudden level in space where weightlessness "starts." though of course the effect can be achieved via certain manoeuvres of the space craft, being in orbit (free fall) being one of them, or momentarily when you reach the highest point your rocket takes you before you start to come down again. Indeed, the effect can be simulated at ground level. "Zero-g force" is a good way of putting it. You could go to the gravitational balance-point between the Earth and the moon, I suppose, but you'd have to sit very still. It's complicated and I am only a biologist.

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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 05:46 AM

I don't mind being called a left-winger, but I'm not sure about "rabid"...big house in the country a 15-minute walk from some of Britain's most beautiful coastline, paid for, two cars in the driveway of my half-acre garden, all debts long paid off... :-)

AND I've been known to shop at Waitrose...


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Jos
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 04:40 AM

I thought space began where weightlessness begins - in which case Branson did make it into space, and at least he landed on a runway according to the agreed plan.
Yuri Gagarin came down in a potato field, many miles from the planned landing site. According to a recent BBC account, he hitched a lift in a horse and cart to get to the nearest telephone (but I haven't found that bit of information anywhere else).


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 04:36 AM

From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 05:48 PM

Well, the arch-capitalist wing of Mudcat has spoken...
There goes the rabid left-winger again. I give a straight answer to his question and he starts in with insults. Attack the man, not the answer. Not the best of responses, but if it's all that Steve has to offer . . .
I have another thought, Nigel. It involves preventing these unimaginably wealthy people from accumulating all that wealth in the first place

These 'incredibly wealthy people already have that wealth. All you could do is prevent others from becoming as wealthy (unless you have a time machine)
. . .by having a fairer taxation system (cue ripostes about "disincentivising them...").
Ah, good, at last the arguments against punitive taxation of those who seek to better themselves seem to be getting through. I don't need to mention the arguments as Steve is clearly already aware of them, even if he gives them no credence.
. . .That way, we won't have to persuade them to make pointless up-and-down trips in silly non-spacecraft that not only damage the environment but which will disincentivise the rest of us to care about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Mr Red
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 03:03 AM

The price is now only 250,000 and could go down.

Well - like rockets, the price can go up as well as down.................


in which case they might just leave their millions to the next generation of millionaires, - &/or become POTUS - and how would that turn out? Doesn't bear thinking about....................


At least these two put their life where their money is. It sort of is a marketing ploy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 10:43 PM

How to manage wealth at the beginning of time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 08:03 PM

Well I certainly wasn't speaking for you. You were included in the arch-capitalist cabal, as you are defending as a real respectable wheeze some thrill-seeking ultramoneybags "going into space" at a quarter of a million a pop. Incidentally, the US is one of only a few countries that think space starts at fifty miles. Most of the rest of us think that space starts twelve miles higher, so the vacuous Branson, at a mere 53, didn't make it after all. However, I'm sure you yanks will enjoy giving him his astronaut's badge.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 07:33 PM

there he goes again believing he speaks for the rest of us but taxing the rich is GREAT idea.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 05:48 PM

Well, the arch-capitalist wing of Mudcat has spoken...

I have another thought, Nigel. It involves preventing these unimaginably wealthy people from accumulating all that wealth in the first place by having a fairer taxation system (cue ripostes about "disincentivising them..."). That way, we won't have to persuade them to make pointless up-and-down trips in silly non-spacecraft that not only damage the environment but which will disincentivise the rest of us to care about it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 04:24 PM

Perhaps you'd care to tell us how a "space tourism industry" would benefit 99.9999% of the citizens of this planet.

Getting millionaires or billionaires to part with their money can be difficult. The 'space tourism industry' is getting them spending, rather than just building up their financial assets. Their spending (even on something so, apparently, pointless as space tourism) creates employment, and generates more spending further down the supply chain. All of this spending also generates taxes, which the government can then spend to generate more jobs and thus more taxes.
I'm sure some would argue for preventing the millionaires from spending, in which case they might just leave their millions to the next generation of millionaires, who can also just sit on the funds.

Money is the oil that greases the wheels of industry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 02:51 PM

You don't have a spare 250K?
Its an expensive roller coaster yes but its a bucket list winner fer sure.
I bet you've spent a cummulative 250K on your travels Steve, or do you only travel on all expense paid junkets, boondoggles and hostel accomodations? {:o =<
I doubt you are only about generosity to mankind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 01:16 PM

Perhaps you'd care to tell us how a "space tourism industry" would benefit 99.9999% of the citizens of this planet. Or the environment, come to think of it. Or space even.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 11:24 AM

He only sees ego but I see a space tourism industry introduction.
It kinda started when Russia charged 20 million per passenger for an ISS delivery and return when they had the only shuttle on Earth.
However the Branson spaceship has bigger fins than a 1959 Cadillac and why is the Bezos spaceship circumsized?
The price is now only 250,000 and could go down.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 10:55 AM

Here's a great comment from a Guardian reader from a few weeks ago:


In yesterday's Guardian we learned that

'Jeff Bezos reported such a low income that he qualified for, and claimed, child tax credit in 2011.'

It is better for the rest of us that such a deeply flawed character is sent a long way away for as long as possible, along with Branson, Sugar, Dyson and any number of other perambulating pathogenic pustules whose warped misunderstanding and misuse of the purpose of wealth creation is the cause of so much unhappiness.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 09:29 AM

New Mexico has built the newest 250 million dollar commercial space port.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 06:43 AM

What an utterly stupid remark. And for the record I didn't know about his dyslexia. Get a bloody life, Donuel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 06:34 AM

As usual anyone with dyslexia Steve calls an idiot, besides Richard was only going 5 miles per second.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 05:45 AM

Yuri Gagarin went round the world in orbit went I was a little lad. A super-rich, scruffy thrill-seeking idiot goes straight up and straight back down again over half a century later and gushes about his experience of a lifetime, etc. All I can say is, thank God for the tennis and the football drowning him out. And for Tim Peake, Bob and Doug & co.

(And I can't even stand tennis...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Jul 21 - 11:02 PM

He did it. He went his own self, and he got back alive. I'm so jaded I can't super excited about it because he didn't orbit. And I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, the Bezos shoe. And I'm wondering if Musk has something planned that is not yet in the public domain.

But, well done, Richard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: BrooklynJay
Date: 11 Jul 21 - 10:41 PM

Surely I can't be the only one who thinks Bezos's rocket looks like a giant cosmic vibrator?


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Jos
Date: 11 Jul 21 - 02:05 PM

One (safely) down, two to go.


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Mr Red
Date: 11 Jul 21 - 01:31 PM

Branson flight - it must be very recent - only 5K views


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Mr Red
Date: 11 Jul 21 - 02:19 AM

I hope Branson has better luck than he had with his balloning exploits.

Or his pilots. eg Steve Fossett


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: keberoxu
Date: 10 Jul 21 - 07:53 PM

This reminds me of the wealthy idiots
who go traipsing off to the Himalayas
so they can say they climbed Mt. Everest,
and then they get their guides killed
when the weather goes pear-shaped ... remember?


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Subject: RE: BS: Billionaires in Space: Bezos $v$ Branson
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jul 21 - 10:18 AM

I hope Branson has better luck than he had with his balloning exploits.


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