A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow

Subject: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 30 Jul 21 - 09:34 AM

‘A Secret Stream’ brings together over a hundred mostly unpublished folk songs and tunes, carols, including songs in the Anglo-Romany tongue ,collected from English Gypsies by Victorian and Edwardian collectors such as Cecil Sharp, Ella Leather, Lucy Broadwood, George Borrow and Ralph Vaughan Williams.
Selected by Nick Dow, the musical notation has been transcribed by Cohen Braithwaite-Kilcoyne and there are
authoritative historical notes to each song supplied by Steve Gardham, along with detailed biographical material for
many of the singers.
ISBN9781838092894                         Price£15
The book will be available in September but you can order now at our secure website.
Cheques can be made payable to Francis Boutle Publishers,
272, Alexandra Park Road, London, N227BG
www.francisboutle.co.uk
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: RTim
Date: 30 Jul 21 - 11:03 AM

Ordered ...as ordered.

Tim Radford

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 02 Aug 21 - 09:21 AM

I am presenting a workshop on Zoom this Wednesday at 1pm, there is another active thread on Sidmouth Workshops which will give you the link.

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Lin
Date: 02 Aug 21 - 10:53 AM

At 1:00 p.m. where in the world?
I am in California so need to know where/what country at
1 p.m.,so I can determine the time to tune in where I live.
Thank you.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Modette
Date: 02 Aug 21 - 12:55 PM

Direct working link to Nick's book - Nick Dow - A Secret Stream.

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 02 Aug 21 - 01:54 PM

Lin, its in the UK and we're in summer time at the moment.

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 04 Aug 21 - 12:02 PM

Also ordered - sadly came across the thread too late for the Zoom.

Mick

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 04 Aug 21 - 04:14 PM

Mick
Have you got a copy of my earliest versions spreadsheet?

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Mick Pearce (MCP)
Date: 04 Aug 21 - 08:40 PM

Steve

I have a copy from January - "Earliest spreadsheet SR Edit 1.xlsx"

Mick

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Aug 21 - 08:20 AM

hope it sells well

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 05 Aug 21 - 09:54 AM

I am presenting another workshop on Weds 25th at 4-30 pm, at Whitby Festival online.
I have just received some rather excellent paragraphs from Walter and Mary Lee, to introduce the book. Since she sends her good wishes to all readers, I have included them for you.

Our good friend Nick Dow is the author of this book, my husband and myself are of true Romany stock, and we are very pleased that Nick has compiled this book of songs, which were noted down in late Victorian and Edwardian times.
Some of these songs have been handed down through our families for generations! we would sing these songs spontaneously at any given time, when our families got together, and sure enough somebody would pull one of the old (long forgotten) songs out of the hat, and it would take us right back in time!
It is, surely, very good that these songs will be preserved for posterity, as it would be a great loss to our culture if they were forgotten.
In my family there were singers, musicians and dancers, some played fiddle, some guitar, some accordion and spoons. They would step dance on any piece of board the could find. They made their own entertainment, through very hard times, and good times too.
I hope those who read this book will gain some insight into our culture. Time and space don’t allow me to elaborate further, however enjoy your read, and remember music brings us all together.
Walter and Mary Lee

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 07 Aug 21 - 02:06 AM

Alan Castle is arranging a book launch at Tenterden Festival. I am also at Edgeworth Festival on the Sunday. (That's a journey and a half!).
The Secret Stream will be available at both festivals.

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 21 - 06:56 AM

Any updates on when in September this book will be despatched to those who have paid for it?

Francis Boutle seem reluctant to say.

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 07 Sep 21 - 05:38 PM

Cohen and I have just finished some rewrites. Steve Gardham is still proofing. The overall typesetting has been done, but we are waiting for the second fair copy, to make sure there are no further mistakes, in grammar, punctuation, and spelling. We have had to reset some of the Gypsy Fiddle tune titles, without losing our Alphabetical order, which has taken a while, but we are aiming to be able to print by September 16th, all being well. It has been quite a headache getting it correct. I am going to offer MP3 files of the tunes, which need resorting into Song, Fiddle Tune, Carols and Romany song files. I then need to check them all against the originals. Not as big a job as it sounds. There are a few if's and but's however it's looking positive.
Nick

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: RTim
Date: 07 Sep 21 - 06:56 PM

Nick...You said something in your final Whitby Video for Secret Stream that I didn't quite understand or agree with.
When you quickly mentioned The New Forest and Gypsy Families from there, you corrected mentioned - The Dow family, but also said The Cole family and mentioned Goliath Cole.
To my knowledge, the Coles had Nothing to do with The New Forest, but lived in and around Oakley, ie. to the west of Basingstoke: and Goliath Cole was born in Baughurst.

Yes it is suggested that his father was born in Lymington; but then Albert Doe was possibly born in Wiltshire...even if living in Bartley, Hampshire when collected from - The Travellers were called Travellers for a reason...They Travelled.

A minor point maybe.....However, I am looking forward to getting the book.

Regards - Tim Radford

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: RTim
Date: 07 Sep 21 - 09:23 PM

Hi again - Sorry for my Typo in the 2nd line - Of course it should be "Doe" not "Dow"...mixing you up with the Gypsy Family....or my spelling is just very bad!

Tim Radford

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 08 Sep 21 - 02:36 AM

Yes I was working from memory. I'll make some notes for the next workshop, which is Will and Pippa Noble's on Zoom, and then Tenterden in person followed by Edgeworth Festival on the Sunday (!!)
I've spent half my life with Gypsy folk so I don't mind being counted with them even if I am not related! A sort of compliment.
By the way Jane Cole was a tent dweller in the New Forest I believe. She was the matriarch of all the Cole Brothers and sisters. The whole thing was rather mixed up by Alice Gillington, who insisted that the Sebbage family were New Foresters, but Edith Sebbage was in service in Sussex. Like you say they travelled.

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 08 Sep 21 - 04:49 AM

Glad this thread has been revived, wasn't aware of this book, now at the top of my shopping list.

Nick, I noticed you are booked in for Orpington folk club in December. What's the best way to keep up to date with your gigs? Do you have a website?

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 08 Sep 21 - 07:27 AM

No, it's a long story involved with the sale of my business. I usually send out invites every gig. Maybe see you at Tenterden?
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Harry Rivers
Date: 08 Sep 21 - 02:36 PM

How will we get access the MP3 files?

Harry

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 08 Sep 21 - 04:05 PM

When you buy the book, or receive it if you have paid in advance, drop me a line at the above Email address, and I'll send them via We Transfer. No charge, just a bonus for you.
Nick

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Greenie
Date: 09 Sep 21 - 05:18 AM

Good to see this thread revived because I'd completely forgotten that I'd ordered the book.

Thanks, in advance, for the MP3s, Nick.

Greenie

Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 10 Sep 21 - 04:31 AM

Pip and Will Noble are hosting a Zoom on September 1th 3-30 to 6pm UK time. There will be a one hour presentation by yours truly on 'A Secret Stream' between 5 and 6pm. Contact Pip on her Facebook Page for details and a link.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 21 - 03:18 AM

September 1th ?

Have I missed it?

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 11 Sep 21 - 04:21 AM

Bugger! Grovelling apologies September 18th! See you there.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 14 Sep 21 - 04:03 AM

Nearly there. Just waiting for the final proofing.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 15 Sep 21 - 01:28 PM

The book will be available at Tenterden and Edgeworth Festivals. If you've paid in advance the book will be posted next week.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 06:39 AM

refresh

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: matt milton
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 10:19 AM

Have pre-ordered.

Lovely cover. I do like the consistent covers of those Boutle books. Feels like a proper series. Waiting impatiently!

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 11:07 AM

Me too! Clive Boutle will be at Tenterden at the Book workshop with copies for sale.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 03 Oct 21 - 05:29 PM

The book is now avvailable

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 03 Oct 21 - 07:21 PM

or even available.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: matt milton
Date: 05 Oct 21 - 06:16 AM

It arrived in the post yesterday. Lovely cover. Didn't realise it would have a few tunes in their too - a nice bonus, given I'm a fiddle player.

Some interesting things in there on first read through. 'Fountain of Christ's Blood' is possibly the most grand guignol carol I've ever seen! I hadn't seen that carol before. Strong stuff, I'll definitely alarm a few people down the local folk club with that one at our Christmas singaround!

Also, I don't remember 'Billy Taylor' (William Taylor) being quite so dramatic in the other versions I know - I like the version in here very much. And collected in Witney too, where my other half grew up - a place I know very well.

The book's reminded me that 'The Robin's Petition' is a song I'd been meaning to learn as well.

It's a lovely book - well done and many thanks Nick. Roll on volume 2!

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 05 Oct 21 - 07:31 AM

Thanks Matt. I'll pass on your kind comments.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 05 Oct 21 - 08:49 AM

By the way if you (anybody) want the MP3 files of the tunes including the fiddle tunes, all free of charge let me know.
[e-mail]

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: r.padgett
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 08:17 AM

My copy received half hour ago by post

Thanks

Ray

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 10 Oct 21 - 05:07 AM

The first run is rapidly selling out.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 07:25 AM

A Secret Stream is now being reprinted and the second run will be available next week. This will include review copies, so if we have not contacted you please let us know.
Meanwhile I have made a tentative start with Cohen on Vol. 2.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,PB
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 11:31 AM

Link in OP is giving a 404...

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 02:49 PM

Nick
You need to update the link to Boutles.

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Fixed. -Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 03:33 PM

https://francisboutle.co.uk/products/a-secret-stream/

This should work

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Nov 21 - 06:03 PM

My copy arrived today. For some reason, I got two copies. I wonder why. Maybe Clive stuck in an extra copy because we've had such a nice correspondence over the years.

Looks great, Nick and Steve.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 17 Nov 21 - 03:22 PM

Only just got my copy. Typo spotting. Here's a little quiz. I give you the page number and you find the typo.
34
47
68

That's as far as I've got.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: RTim
Date: 17 Nov 21 - 03:51 PM

34 - I see nothing unless it is the (a) or (b) in the Music notation...

47 - Two and Too

68 - "But" missing from chorus

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I think there is a factual error on page 13.......Jesse Cole (according to census info. I have - was a Man - Not a Sister as in the text....


Tim Radford

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: RTim
Date: 17 Nov 21 - 04:40 PM

Haha - I see 34 now...

Abscent instead of Absent....in 2nd tune text

Maybe there should also be in the first text a "-" between the first "ov - erheard" as in the 2nd tune...

Tim R

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 17 Nov 21 - 06:19 PM

Typos not withstanding, hope you like the book.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 18 Nov 21 - 09:24 AM

Missed that one, Tim. Look at the title. (34)

47, there are 'others' in the same line.

ov-er-heard. There is one if you look closely, in my copy anyway.

Nick, I did ask Clive where it is being/ has been, reviewed, but didn't get an answer. Do you know?

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 19 Nov 21 - 06:10 PM

The usual suspects have a copy for review.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Nov 21 - 09:31 PM

I hate it when the first printed copy comes out, and I discover all the mistakes I missed. Why are they so hard to see on a computer screen, and so easy to see on paper?
When we did the Rise Again Songbook, we got the index wrong, and we printed 10,000 incorrect copies. We sent out a PDF correction sheet, but it was agony to deal with those mistakes. I was intent to not repeat the mistakes of our Rise Up Singing Songbook, but we still made mistakes on the Rise Again sequel - and the index was a complete fiasco.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: r.padgett
Date: 20 Nov 21 - 02:12 AM

Yes it does happen

Ray

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 21 Nov 21 - 03:05 PM

Rod Stradling's review.
https://www.mustrad.org.uk/reviews/r_index.htm

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Nov 21 - 05:11 PM

A good review., overall.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 25 Nov 21 - 06:34 PM

The MP3 files for the Song tunes are now available for download at the Musical Traditions Link.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: matt milton
Date: 26 Nov 21 - 07:48 AM

"Also, like the others, it features a monochrome cover graphic, but not in this case a wood-cut of the sort used in so many broadside publications. I find the present one far less pleasing than the others."

Gotta love Mr Stradling's consistently comprehensive attitude to reviewing a product in its entirety!

In the name of balance, I for one found the extraordinary cover really striking; my compliments to whoever made it/designed it.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Nov 21 - 09:35 AM

I would not judge a book by its cover

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 26 Nov 21 - 02:48 PM

The artist is a friend of Clive Boutle. I do not know his name. It was a lino cut I believe, based upon Tom Cave and Emma Glover's son and daughter as photographed by Cecil Sharp. Clive sent me two original ink prints last week. I rather like it as well. I've always been a fan of Folk Art as many people know.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Nov 21 - 04:24 AM

I did not know that,Nick.
I have not seen the cover , but if i had, and i did not like it ,it would not bother to comment, in my opinion the purpose of a book review is to let people know about the contents of the book

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,PB
Date: 25 Dec 21 - 06:31 AM

I bought this as a Christmas present for Madame... smash hit, she's been down there learning songs from it and picking out the tunes on her concertina almost from the moment she got up. She's not even looked at her other presents yet.

It's a great book, buy it.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 25 Dec 21 - 07:28 AM

I will be happy to send the tunes as MP3 files for free to help her. Just contact me . [e-mail]

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,PB
Date: 25 Dec 21 - 08:31 AM

Thanks very much, but she's a very competent sight reader- the picking bit was to adjust the pitch to her voice. I'll repeat, a lovely book.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 25 Dec 21 - 08:51 AM

Thanks very much.
Nick

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Felipa
Date: 25 Dec 21 - 03:25 PM

I see that Camp Harmony includes a singaround of songs from "A Secret Stream". Does it matter whether or not people sing the same versions that are in/mentioned in the book.

Camp Harmony is on line 30 Dec- 2 Jan. Registration closes Tues 28 Dec at 12 noon Pacific time (8 pm UTC)

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 25 Dec 21 - 07:00 PM

Could you post a link. please?

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Felipa
Date: 27 Dec 21 - 12:33 PM

Maybe that proposed Secret Stream singaround has been withdrawn. I didn't take any note of the day or time or who was leading the session. Today I don't see it on the Camp Harmony schedule https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12jldcYY9h_brhNvp-A9HZP6cusmaSIDmOhW9NFUrdhI/edit#gid=169893150

Of course songs featured in the book would feature at other singarounds.
Camp Harmony is online from 30 Dec - 2 Jan 2021-22. Pre-registration is required and that closes at noon- US Pacific time (2 pm Central, 3 pm Eastern, 8 pm GMT, etc) - on TUES 28 DEC. at https://forms.gle/DPuWTC5FAe3a7crWA

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 28 Dec 21 - 04:35 AM

Pity! It was a nice idea. Never mind.

Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Felipa
Date: 29 Dec 21 - 04:08 PM

Ah, there is another 2021 book which is the theme for a Camp Harmony singaround. Dick Holdstock is leading a workshop of songs from his book “Again With One Voice: British Songs of Political Reform, 1768 to 1868,” to be held this Friday the 31st at 1:30 pm Pacific time (9.30 pm GMT/UTC)

As I said before, undoubtedly some of the Secret Stream songs would suit other singarounds at Camp Harmony.

I also heard that there is a possibility of having impromptu workshops in unoccupied breakaway rooms and that there will be a bulletin board where these can be publicised.

About 8 hours after Camp Harmony registration was supposed to close, someone emailed me that it appeared to still be open. I don't know the present situation ... if you haven't registered it's probably to late, but perhaps not!