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Felipa 29 Dec 21 - 04:08 PM
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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Felipa
Date: 29 Dec 21 - 04:08 PM

Ah, there is another 2021 book which is the theme for a Camp Harmony singaround. Dick Holdstock is leading a workshop of songs from his book “Again With One Voice: British Songs of Political Reform, 1768 to 1868,” to be held this Friday the 31st at 1:30 pm Pacific time (9.30 pm GMT/UTC)

As I said before, undoubtedly some of the Secret Stream songs would suit other singarounds at Camp Harmony.

I also heard that there is a possibility of having impromptu workshops in unoccupied breakaway rooms and that there will be a bulletin board where these can be publicised.

About 8 hours after Camp Harmony registration was supposed to close, someone emailed me that it appeared to still be open. I don't know the present situation ... if you haven't registered it's probably to late, but perhaps not!


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 28 Dec 21 - 04:35 AM

Pity! It was a nice idea. Never mind.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Felipa
Date: 27 Dec 21 - 12:33 PM

Maybe that proposed Secret Stream singaround has been withdrawn. I didn't take any note of the day or time or who was leading the session. Today I don't see it on the Camp Harmony schedule https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12jldcYY9h_brhNvp-A9HZP6cusmaSIDmOhW9NFUrdhI/edit#gid=169893150

Of course songs featured in the book would feature at other singarounds.
Camp Harmony is online from 30 Dec - 2 Jan 2021-22. Pre-registration is required and that closes at noon- US Pacific time (2 pm Central, 3 pm Eastern, 8 pm GMT, etc) - on TUES 28 DEC. at https://forms.gle/DPuWTC5FAe3a7crWA


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 25 Dec 21 - 07:00 PM

Could you post a link. please?


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Felipa
Date: 25 Dec 21 - 03:25 PM

I see that Camp Harmony includes a singaround of songs from "A Secret Stream". Does it matter whether or not people sing the same versions that are in/mentioned in the book.

Camp Harmony is on line 30 Dec- 2 Jan. Registration closes Tues 28 Dec at 12 noon Pacific time (8 pm UTC)


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 25 Dec 21 - 08:51 AM

Thanks very much.
Nick


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,PB
Date: 25 Dec 21 - 08:31 AM

Thanks very much, but she's a very competent sight reader- the picking bit was to adjust the pitch to her voice. I'll repeat, a lovely book.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 25 Dec 21 - 07:28 AM

I will be happy to send the tunes as MP3 files for free to help her. Just contact me . thetraditionbearer@hotmail.co.uk


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,PB
Date: 25 Dec 21 - 06:31 AM

I bought this as a Christmas present for Madame... smash hit, she's been down there learning songs from it and picking out the tunes on her concertina almost from the moment she got up. She's not even looked at her other presents yet.

It's a great book, buy it.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Nov 21 - 04:24 AM

I did not know that,Nick.
I have not seen the cover , but if i had, and i did not like it ,it would not bother to comment, in my opinion the purpose of a book review is to let people know about the contents of the book


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 26 Nov 21 - 02:48 PM

The artist is a friend of Clive Boutle. I do not know his name. It was a lino cut I believe, based upon Tom Cave and Emma Glover's son and daughter as photographed by Cecil Sharp. Clive sent me two original ink prints last week. I rather like it as well. I've always been a fan of Folk Art as many people know.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Nov 21 - 09:35 AM

I would not judge a book by its cover


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: matt milton
Date: 26 Nov 21 - 07:48 AM

"Also, like the others, it features a monochrome cover graphic, but not in this case a wood-cut of the sort used in so many broadside publications. I find the present one far less pleasing than the others."

Gotta love Mr Stradling's consistently comprehensive attitude to reviewing a product in its entirety!

In the name of balance, I for one found the extraordinary cover really striking; my compliments to whoever made it/designed it.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 25 Nov 21 - 06:34 PM

The MP3 files for the Song tunes are now available for download at the Musical Traditions Link.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Nov 21 - 05:11 PM

A good review., overall.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 21 Nov 21 - 03:05 PM

Rod Stradling's review.
https://www.mustrad.org.uk/reviews/r_index.htm


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: r.padgett
Date: 20 Nov 21 - 02:12 AM

Yes it does happen

Ray


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Nov 21 - 09:31 PM

I hate it when the first printed copy comes out, and I discover all the mistakes I missed. Why are they so hard to see on a computer screen, and so easy to see on paper?
When we did the Rise Again Songbook, we got the index wrong, and we printed 10,000 incorrect copies. We sent out a PDF correction sheet, but it was agony to deal with those mistakes. I was intent to not repeat the mistakes of our Rise Up Singing Songbook, but we still made mistakes on the Rise Again sequel - and the index was a complete fiasco.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 19 Nov 21 - 06:10 PM

The usual suspects have a copy for review.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 18 Nov 21 - 09:24 AM

Missed that one, Tim. Look at the title. (34)

47, there are 'others' in the same line.

ov-er-heard. There is one if you look closely, in my copy anyway.

Nick, I did ask Clive where it is being/ has been, reviewed, but didn't get an answer. Do you know?


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 17 Nov 21 - 06:19 PM

Typos not withstanding, hope you like the book.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: RTim
Date: 17 Nov 21 - 04:40 PM

Haha - I see 34 now...

Abscent instead of Absent....in 2nd tune text

Maybe there should also be in the first text a "-" between the first "ov - erheard" as in the 2nd tune...

Tim R


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: RTim
Date: 17 Nov 21 - 03:51 PM

34 - I see nothing unless it is the (a) or (b) in the Music notation...

47 - Two and Too

68 - "But" missing from chorus

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I think there is a factual error on page 13.......Jesse Cole (according to census info. I have - was a Man - Not a Sister as in the text....


Tim Radford


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 17 Nov 21 - 03:22 PM

Only just got my copy. Typo spotting. Here's a little quiz. I give you the page number and you find the typo.
34
47
68

That's as far as I've got.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Nov 21 - 06:03 PM

My copy arrived today. For some reason, I got two copies. I wonder why. Maybe Clive stuck in an extra copy because we've had such a nice correspondence over the years.

Looks great, Nick and Steve.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 03:33 PM

https://francisboutle.co.uk/products/a-secret-stream/

This should work


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 02:49 PM

Nick
You need to update the link to Boutles.

Fixed. -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,PB
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 11:31 AM

Link in OP is giving a 404...


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 07:25 AM

A Secret Stream is now being reprinted and the second run will be available next week. This will include review copies, so if we have not contacted you please let us know.
Meanwhile I have made a tentative start with Cohen on Vol. 2.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 10 Oct 21 - 05:07 AM

The first run is rapidly selling out.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: r.padgett
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 08:17 AM

My copy received half hour ago by post

Thanks

Ray


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 05 Oct 21 - 08:49 AM

By the way if you (anybody) want the MP3 files of the tunes including the fiddle tunes, all free of charge let me know.
thetraditionbearer@hotmail.co.uk


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 05 Oct 21 - 07:31 AM

Thanks Matt. I'll pass on your kind comments.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: matt milton
Date: 05 Oct 21 - 06:16 AM

It arrived in the post yesterday. Lovely cover. Didn't realise it would have a few tunes in their too - a nice bonus, given I'm a fiddle player.

Some interesting things in there on first read through. 'Fountain of Christ's Blood' is possibly the most grand guignol carol I've ever seen! I hadn't seen that carol before. Strong stuff, I'll definitely alarm a few people down the local folk club with that one at our Christmas singaround!

Also, I don't remember 'Billy Taylor' (William Taylor) being quite so dramatic in the other versions I know - I like the version in here very much. And collected in Witney too, where my other half grew up - a place I know very well.

The book's reminded me that 'The Robin's Petition' is a song I'd been meaning to learn as well.

It's a lovely book - well done and many thanks Nick. Roll on volume 2!


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 03 Oct 21 - 07:21 PM

or even available.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 03 Oct 21 - 05:29 PM

The book is now avvailable


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 11:07 AM

Me too! Clive Boutle will be at Tenterden at the Book workshop with copies for sale.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: matt milton
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 10:19 AM

Have pre-ordered.

Lovely cover. I do like the consistent covers of those Boutle books. Feels like a proper series. Waiting impatiently!


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 06:39 AM

refresh


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 15 Sep 21 - 01:28 PM

The book will be available at Tenterden and Edgeworth Festivals. If you've paid in advance the book will be posted next week.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 14 Sep 21 - 04:03 AM

Nearly there. Just waiting for the final proofing.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 11 Sep 21 - 04:21 AM

Bugger! Grovelling apologies September 18th! See you there.


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Subject: RE: A Secret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Sep 21 - 03:18 AM

September 1th ?

Have I missed it?


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Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 10 Sep 21 - 04:31 AM

Pip and Will Noble are hosting a Zoom on September 1th 3-30 to 6pm UK time. There will be a one hour presentation by yours truly on 'A Secret Stream' between 5 and 6pm. Contact Pip on her Facebook Page for details and a link.


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Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Greenie
Date: 09 Sep 21 - 05:18 AM

Good to see this thread revived because I'd completely forgotten that I'd ordered the book.

Thanks, in advance, for the MP3s, Nick.

Greenie


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Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 08 Sep 21 - 04:05 PM

When you buy the book, or receive it if you have paid in advance, drop me a line at the above Email address, and I'll send them via We Transfer. No charge, just a bonus for you.
Nick


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Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: Harry Rivers
Date: 08 Sep 21 - 02:36 PM

How will we get access the MP3 files?

Harry


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Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 08 Sep 21 - 07:27 AM

No, it's a long story involved with the sale of my business. I usually send out invites every gig. Maybe see you at Tenterden?
thetraditionbearer@hotmail.co.uk


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Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 08 Sep 21 - 04:49 AM

Glad this thread has been revived, wasn't aware of this book, now at the top of my shopping list.

Nick, I noticed you are booked in for Orpington folk club in December. What's the best way to keep up to date with your gigs? Do you have a website?


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Subject: RE: ASecret Stream (Vol 1) New Book Nick Dow
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 08 Sep 21 - 02:36 AM

Yes I was working from memory. I'll make some notes for the next workshop, which is Will and Pippa Noble's on Zoom, and then Tenterden in person followed by Edgeworth Festival on the Sunday (!!)
I've spent half my life with Gypsy folk so I don't mind being counted with them even if I am not related! A sort of compliment.
By the way Jane Cole was a tent dweller in the New Forest I believe. She was the matriarch of all the Cole Brothers and sisters. The whole thing was rather mixed up by Alice Gillington, who insisted that the Sebbage family were New Foresters, but Edith Sebbage was in service in Sussex. Like you say they travelled.


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