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Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s

GUEST,PyschedUpStolas 19 Aug 21 - 03:34 PM
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Subject: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,PyschedUpStolas
Date: 19 Aug 21 - 03:34 PM

I've got a song of obscure origins that I figured someone here might recognize. The title and artist are unknown. Currently, it is referred to as the "The Fishes" (based on an early mishearing) or "Take Me Home" as working titles. The song was taped off of Chicago radio in the 70s. There's a bit of organ at the end which is Rare Bird - Bird on a Wing and not related to this song. This song was misidentified as Keith James - Take Me Home. This results in a bunch of websites with it mislabeled. I get a little bit of a Strawbs vibe from it, and have been trudging through the Acid Archives for it, but haven't had any luck.


The current interpretation of the lyrics is below:

As I came onto the village square
I saw a lady standing there
I can take you to a tavern if you drive
And she thanked me with a twinkle in her eye

Tavern master saw that I was fit to crash
My guitar was strapped within my shoulder bag
I can earn my keep for meal and a bed
Tellin’ tales of all the villages I’ve passed

Playin’ my song was much to my surprise
Sufficient in the tavern keeper's eyes
Listen to me sing the days of long ago
And the lady wants to take me to her home

Take me home (take me home)
Take me home
On my way
On my way


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Helen
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 06:30 AM

I see why you are getting the Strawbs vibe, but it doesn't sound like them to me.

The style of the song and the singing, the electric guitar and the electric piano sounds vaguely familiar to me, but I have never heard that song before.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 06:43 AM

Hmmm. Mysterious. Here's a recording:


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,#
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 08:39 AM

I spent an hour on this yesterday and my searches ball led back to the same five or six posts on the www.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 08:48 AM

Sounds a bit like one of the lesser known "psychedelic" groups of the late '60's perhaps Clear Light or Strawberry Alarm clock ??


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,PyschedUpStolas
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 09:29 AM

@Guest If it was on a major label like Strawberry Alarm Clock, I think someone would have identified it. However, I also went through the Acid Archives, a reference book for underground pysch and rock, and found nothing which seemed to fit. There's another reference book to Private Press, Enjoy the Experience, which may have it but is several hundred dollars to acquire. I think we are looking at an incredibly obscure track.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 10:12 AM

Google music recognition app failed to identify it.
It is usually quite reliable.
So this gem seems to be a really obscure track as far as online data bases are concerned...

Perhaps other similar apps might recognise it...???

It sounds too polished for a demo,
- maybe a well recorded extremely rare private pressing..???

Or could be one of the myriad of shelved and forgotten undocumented fully mastered out-take tracks
denied release by philistine record lable managers...?????

btw..Thumbs up for even a micro second fragment of a Rare Bird track,
one of the best bands ever imho...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,#
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 10:28 AM

pfr: Check YT. Some of their tracks are on it. See the following link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKkuiprkmMg&list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvK5vQsU60ak-yGesZp3Yen


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 10:53 AM

I don't have a dog in this fight, I just enjoy looking for obscure or hard-to-find documents and books. You can retire from the library but all of those habits go with you when you leave the building.

I started by making a title search on Bookfinder.com and pulled up reference to a book called Enjoy the Experience: Homemade Records 1958-1992 by Gregg Turkington and Will Louviere. Hardcover, ISBN 9781938265044
Publisher: Sinecure Books, 2013

Bookfinder.com search results.

When I look it up by ISBN in WorldCat I see an additional author, Johan Kugelberg.

Cut and paste more details:

Find Items About:        Kugelberg, Johan, (5); Major, Paul, (3); Daley, Michael (max: 4)
Title:        

Enjoy the experience :
homemade records, 1958-1992 /
Author(s):        Kugelberg, Johan, ; editor.
Major, Paul, ; editor.
Daley, Michael; 1985- ; (Michael P.),; editor.
Publication:        Los Angeles : Sinecure Books,
Edition: First edition.
Year:        2012, ©2012
Description:        505 pages : chiefly illustrations (some color) ; 28 cm
Language:        English

"Enjoy the experience" / by Johan Kugelberg -- Interview with Paul Major -- Mike Ascherman's top 20 -- From the music library of Jack Streitman -- Record reviews by Paul Major -- Biographies: Tim Adams -- The Rhodes Kids -- Don Thompson -- The Reflections -- The Shaggs -- Aliotta Haynes Jeremiah -- Dora Hall -- Joe Valino -- Leon Ashley -- Jr. and His Soulettes -- The Lu-Wows -- Harriette Blake -- Al Morgan -- Ed Lyman -- Lee Sohn -- Marty Sabell -- Susanne Haines -- Dane Sturgeon -- Darwin Gross -- Troy Cory -- Myrna and Sherry Emata -- The Dynamic Duo -- Jerry Solomon -- Clyde Derby -- Mel Norfleet -- Marc Mundy -- 33 1/3 -- Phil Palumbo and Eddie Paolucci -- Robbie "The Werewolf" Robison -- Palmer Rockey -- Ray Torske -- Luie Luie -- Silk & Silver -- Danny & The Tunesmen -- Russ Saul -- Paul Ciminello -- Jimmie Davis -- Vic Caesar -- Chailo -- Michael Farneti -- Toni Carroll -- Ron & Shirley -- O.L. Jaggers -- Captain Hook and His Pirate Crew -- Alexander Longrifle -- Barbara Velasco -- Joe E. -- The Links.

Standard No:        ISBN: 1938265041; 9781938265044; National Library: 016781458 LCCN: 2012-909616

Abstract:        "Enjoy The Experience is the largest collection of American private press vinyl ever amassed and presented, featuring over one thousand cover reproductions from 1958-1992 ... The subjects of Enjoy The Experience range from Lesbian Folk singers to Psychedelic Disco bands; Awkward Teen Pop combos to Pizza Parlor Organists; Religious Cult Leaders to Swank Sinatra Imitators. But this is not a novelty freak show: also profiled and discussed are some of the most highly regarded rock, soul, jazz, funk and singer/songwriter albums from the latter half of the twentieth century. From the awkward-yet-talented to the genius-yet-bizarre, one thing unites all musicians presented here: they sincerely hoped to become stars, they committed themselves to record, and they left themselves vulnerable to an industry not understanding of nuance, not appreciative of character"--Publisher's website.

SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor:        Sound recordings -- Production and direction -- United States.
Sound recordings -- Album covers -- United States.
Sound recordings -- Album covers -- United States -- Pictorial works.
Sound recordings -- Album covers.
Sound recordings -- Production and direction.

Genre/Form:        Pictorial works.
Geographic:        United States.
Class Descriptors:        LC: ML3790; Dewey: 780.26/90973
Other Titles:        Homemade records, 1958-1992
Responsibility:        edited by Johan Kugelberg ; co-editors, Paul Major & Michael P. Daley ; contributing editors, Gregg Turkington, Will Louviere, Geoffrey Weiss, Evan LeVine, Rich Haupt, Douglas Mcgowan, Brandan Kearney, Mike Ascherman, Jack Streitman, Gabriel Mckee, Will Cameron, Eothen Alapatt.
Vendor Info:        Brodart Baker and Taylor YBP Library Services (BROD BTCP YANK)

Accession No:        OCLC: 842883909
Database: Worldcat

And here's the meat of the entry - the libraries that have this in their holdings (use this to find it locally or to make an interlibrary loan request):

Location         Library         Local Holdings         Code
US,TX        AUSTIN PUB LIBR                TXG
US,TX        TEXAS CHRISTIAN UNIV                ICU
US,TX        TEXAS TECH UNIV                ILU
US,TX        UNIV OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN                IXA

US,AR        CENTRAL ARKANSAS LIBR SYST                AKD

US,CA        ALIBRIS                ALBRS
US,CA        ART CTR COLL OF DESIGN                ACD
US,CA        SAN DIEGO PUB LIBR                JTB
US,CA        UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, RIVERSIDE                CRU

US,CT        YALE UNIV LIBR                YUS

US,DC        GEORGETOWN UNIV                DGU
US,DC        LIBRARY OF CONGRESS                DLC

US,FL        UNIV OF MIAMI        Local Holdings Availa...        FQG

US,IA        IOWA CITY PUB LIBR                LXY
US,IA        IOWA STATE UNIV                IWA

US,IL        CHICAGO PUB LIBR                CGP
US,IL        COLUMBIA COLL CHICAGO LIBR                IBZ
US,IL        NORTHWESTERN UNIV LIBR                INU
US,IL        SCHOOL OF THE ART INST OF CHICAGO LIBR                ILO

US,IN        INDIANA UNIV PURDUE UNIV INDIANAPOLIS L                IUP

US,KS        UNIV OF KANSAS                KKU

US,MA        GORDON COLL, JENKS LIBR                MWN
US,MA        HARVARD UNIV                HUL
US,MA        SMITH COL                SNN

US,MN        HENNEPIN CNTY LIBR                HCO

US,NC        BAKER & TAYLOR INC TECH SERV & PROD DEV                BTCTA
US,NC        DUKE UNIV LIBR                NDD
US,NC        UNIV OF N CAROLINA, CHAPEL HILL                NOC

US,NH        GOBI LIBR SERVS                YDX

US,NJ        COLLEGE OF NEW JERSEY, THE                NJT

US,NY        METROPOLITAN MUS OF ART                MZA
US,NY        MUSEUM OF MODERN ART, THE                MMX
US,NY        NEW YORK PUB LIBR                NYP
US,NY        NEW YORK UNIV                ZYU
US,NY        QUEENS BOROUGH PUB LIBR                ZQP
US,NY        SCHOOL OF VISUAL ARTS LIBR                ZVT
US,NY        UNIV OF ROCHESTER                RRR

US,OH        AKRON-SUMMIT CNTY PUB LIBR                APL
US,OH        OBERLIN COL LIBR                OBE
US,OH        ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME AND MUSEUM                OHRRH

US,PA        BRODART BOOKS & LIBR SERVS                BDX
US,PA        CARNEGIE MELLON UNIV                PMC
US,PA        UNIV OF PITTSBURGH                PIT

US,RI        BROWN UNIV                RBN

US,TN        UNIV OF TENNESSEE                TKN

US,UT        UNIV OF UTAH                UUM

US,VA        UNIV OF VIRGINIA                VA@

US,VT        UNIV OF VERMONT HOWE LIBR                VTU

US,WA        SEATTLE PUB LIBR                UOK
US,WA        UNIV OF WASHINGTON LIBR                WAU

US,WI        MARQUETTE UNIV                GZQ
US,WI        UNIV OF WISCONSIN, MILWAUKEE                GZN

US,WY        UNIV OF WYOMING LIBR                WYU

Australia        BRISBANE CITY COUN LIBR SERV                AUBRI
Australia        STATE LIBR OF VICTORIA                APVIC

CA,AB        UNIV OF CALGARY LIBR                UAU

CA,BC        VANCOUVER PUB LIBR                VP@

CA,ON        TORONTO PUB LIBR                TOH
CA,ON        UNIV OF OTTAWA                OTZ
CA,ON        YORK UNIV LIBR                YOU

New Zealand        AUCKLAND LIBRS                NZAUC

Qatar        QATAR NAT LIBR                QAFCL

United Kingdom        BRITISH LIBR REFERENCE COLLECTIONS                BLSTP
United Kingdom        UNIV OF READING LIBR                REU
United Kingdom        UNIV OF THE ARTS LONDON                UKUAL


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,PyschedUpStolas
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 10:56 AM

@PFR I considered tax scam label, but if it is then it's probably on of the few missing releases because none of the known tax scam records seem to fit.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,PyschedUpStolas
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 11:38 AM

@StillyRiverSage
Cheers, mate! I hadn't considered interlibrary loan. Perhaps it'll pull something up.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,LM-Harbor
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 11:48 AM

Some further context might be of value: The OP mentioned that this song was on his old high school tape from the 70s and likely recorded off WBBM-FM or XRT.

Another user also recommended looking into WXFM (Triad Radio), as that is the station that would have played "Rare Bird" back in those days. Though, the archivist for the station was contacted but said he has no recollection of ever playing this song on Triad, nor does he believe it came from that station.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,LM-Harbor
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 11:58 AM

Correction: Not all of them, but most came from his old high school tapes form the 70s. You can read the message here - https://prnt.sc/1qd8l21


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,#
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 01:35 PM

GUEST,LM-Harbor,

I was looking into the radio station angle yesterday and came up with nothing. However, the chances of locating a playlist from an unknown 'exact date' (or exact title) sometime in the 1970s doesn't look too promising. I also tried various lyric searches, figuring the song may have been copyrighted, but no happiness there, either. This seems to be one serious stumper.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,LM-Harbor
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 02:20 PM

GUEST,#

Yes, you are right. The most frustrating part is that, logically, you'd think the title of the song would be very apparent and something that's stressed in the lyrics, such as "Take Me Home", "On My Way", "The Tale Of..." -

Heck, with the number of times the word "Tavern" is repeated in the song, I'd be pretty surprised if that word is not referenced in the title - but nothing ever comes up. Discogs hasn't been of much help, either. However, we are persistently searching for the song on it.

Finding this one is going to be quite a difficult task.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Helen
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 02:53 PM

Yes Maggie, I suffer from the same affliction:

"I don't have a dog in this fight, I just enjoy looking for obscure or hard-to-find documents and books. You can retire from the library but all of those habits go with you when you leave the building."

Listening to the song, the singer doesn't appear to have a strong American accent to me, although the word "master" is pronounced "masster" and not "marster". Some UK accents use that pronunciation though, and the words "tavern" and "village" give a UK influence to the song.

The original post on this thread mentions The Strawbs who were a UK band - I have had one of their albums since the mid-'70's and then upgraded to CD about 20 years ago - and a Guest 20 Aug 21 - 08:48 AM mentioned Strawberry Alarm Clock who were a US band. I remember their song Incense and Peppermints but the names of the rest of their songs are not familiar to me. The two bands have different musical styles, I'm thinking, and I admit I only have one album of The Strawbs but I see very little similarity to the mystery song.

It would probably help to narrow down the likely year or years that the song was originally heard instead of just saying that it was sometime in the '70's.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,#
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 02:55 PM

I hear you on that. About the only thing we know for sure is that the play-time of the song is smack on three minutes give or take a second.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Helen
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 03:10 PM

I'm wondering whether it was a very early song from an artist or band who/which became better known later, and maybe developed a more distinctive and therefore more identifiable sound or style. If that is the case it would explain why the musical style sounds vaguely familiar to me.

I have to say that personally I find the lyrics of this song not "memorable" - to put it diplomatically. LOL


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 04:07 PM

Three minutes play time is exactly what the radio stations wanted, so a huge majority of songs produced at that time would be 3 minutes. It means this isn't a great filtering tool in the search, it just lets you eliminate the few longer songs.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 04:24 PM

This kinda working together is what I love about Mudcat. We should do it more often. This is fun!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Helen
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 04:26 PM

Yeah, Joe! This is why I'm still here after all these years! Careful, you might be catching the librarians' affliction.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,LM-Harbor
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 04:33 PM

RULED-OUT SONGS -

Keith James - Take Me Home
Rattlesnake Joe - Tavern Song
Don & Faith Peters - Tavern Song
Aarons & Ackley - Take Me Home
Alex Chilton - Take Me Home & Make Me Like It
Atkinson Danko And Ford With Brockie And Hilton - Take Me Home
Balcones Fault ?- Take Me Home
Barry McGee - When Will You Take Me Home
Bearfoot - Take Me Home
Bert Keely - Take Me Home
Blue Light - Take Me Home
Leuan R. Evans ?– Take Me Home
Mountain Glory - On My Way Home
Page One - Take Me Home Freight Train
Chariot - Take Me Home
Charley D. And Milo - Take Me Home
Cheetah Chrome - Take Me Home
Dear Wolf - Take Me Home
Delta - Take Me Home
Einar Vilberg Hjartarson ? - Take Me Home
Foundars 15 Rock Group - Take Me Home
Johnny's Dance Band ? - Take Me Home
Justus - Take Me Home
Little River Band - Take Me Home
Micheal Sweet - Take Me Home
Outpouring - Take Me Home Again
Redwing - Take Me Home
Rob Crosby - Take Me Home
The Return Of The Electric Banana - Take Me Home
Monarchs - Take Me Home
Paul Revere & The Raiders - Take Me Home
The Second Coming - Take Me Home
The Steve Gibbons Band - Take Me Home
John & Margie Cook - Down At The Tavern
Elmer Lush - Tavern Song
Ebony - Tavern Girl
Knuckles O'Toole - There Is A Tavern In The Town
Winifred Atwell - Tavern Town
Warren Carr - A Tavern In The Town
Jim Meyer - The Tavern
Ham Brothers - Take Me Home
Don Lange - On The Road Again
Free Beer - Out On The Road
The County Line Best of Country Vol. 1 - Six Days On The Road
Aztec Two-Step - On The Road
The Dillars - Get Out On The Road
Country Joe McDonald ?– I'm On The Road Again
Tony Mason - Always Out And On The Road
Dickey Betts and Great Southern - Back On the Road Again
Buddy Cagle - The Guitar Player
The Stoneman Family ?- Take Me Home
Re'Generation - On My Journey Home
Harvest - On My Way Home
The Lewis Family - On The Way Home
The Inspirations - On The Way Home
Nev Nicholls & The Country Playboys - Coming Back Home
Delaney & Bonnie & Friends - Sing My Way Home
New Riders Of The Purple Sage - On My Way Back Home
Heron ?– Take Me Back Home
Fludd - I'm On My Way
Olsen Brothers - I'm On My Way
The Marmalade - On My Way Now
James Rutledge - On My Way Up
The Shoes - I'm On My Way
Willi Meyer - I'm On My Way
Wonderland - On My Way
Smiffy - Take Me Home
Captain & Tennille ?– I'm On My Way
John Mayall ?– Take Me Home Tonight
The U.S. Scooters - Take Me Home
Black Leather Touch - Take Me Home
Ashley Hutchings ?– Tavern In The Town


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Helen
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 04:37 PM

Wow LM-Harbor. You've either listened to all of those songs or already knew some of them??!!

Nice work!


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 04:47 PM

Helen

Yes, but not only me. We've been searching for this song for the past few months now; as time goes on, more and more leads will start pilling up, so we made spreadsheets to help facilitate the search. We've been gradually adding ruled-out songs to the spreadsheets for over a few months now.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Helen
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 04:58 PM

Ok, yes, but still impressive. And spreadsheets! My favourite data tool of all time. LOL

I'm still leaning more towards trying to match up the musical style of the song to performers or bands, or the style of the lyrics to other songs of that era.

And this reference to high school in the '70's - can we narrow that down? It's likely to be mid to late high school, so what years were they?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 05:06 PM

I think early to mid-70s. I'm not certain, though. Will update you back ASAP


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Helen
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 05:15 PM

Thanks Guest, who I assume is LM-Harbor.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,LM-Harbor
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 05:19 PM

Oh my, I thought it would start assigning my name automatically after a few comments , haha. My mistake.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,#
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 05:37 PM

I think the words will not be how we find the song. That's been done by many others for about 4 or 5 months now.

SRS and Helen: Do either of you librarians have any way to search the human voice within recordings? Specifically, I'm wondering about the voices starting at 1:12 of the link in the OP.

Also, though likely unrelated, the word crash as a euphemism for sleep was in common usage in NYC in 1964/5. Also, "I can earn my keep for meal and a bed" is a strange way to phrase it, making me suspect that the singer isn't also the writer. However, I've been wrong before. ;-)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Helen
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 05:59 PM

LM-Harbor, have you thought of joining Mudcat? It's a great musical community and we love musical puzzles to solve. Joining is free. You can check it out on the Membership link, just under the Mudcat logo at the top of each page.

Just looking at the lyrics again.

"tavern keeper" sounds like a UK term too


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Helen
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 06:42 PM

The mystery song, from about 1:12 on the track as suggested above, goes into some interesting and clever musical bits.

I keep thinking of the band Yes, with the keyboard and the style of their music and the excellent guitar work and the harmonies used by the singers. I haven't heard any of the Yes albums for decades but they were impressively clever musicians. Although, their lyrics were a bit more in-depth than the mystery song's lyrics.

I just asked Hubby to listen to the song because he knows a lot of music and bands. Also he said the app Spotify on a mobile phone can do tune recognition. You can hold your phone close to the tune being played and it recognises similar tunes. That would rely on the tune being well enough known to be in the main tune databases of course.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,#
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 07:13 PM

Super, Helen. In the event there is a Yes connection, the following link goes to 200 of their songs. I checked only a few and lyrics were posted where one clicks the titles that show.

https://www.azlyrics.com/y/yes.html


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Helen
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 08:12 PM

You can limit the search to the early '70's and before.

I don't necessarily think that it is a Yes song. It just reminds me of their style. If Yes does happen to be the correct group it would be before they went to the all-out, OTT (over the top), full-on production numbers.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,PyshcedOutStolas
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 08:22 PM

@Helen
Don't Yes and Strawbs share members? I assumed it's neither though because it would have been dug up by now (it reminds quite a bit of something off of Witchwood). It may have originated from a prog band though. Some prog songs could easily be tagged folk if heard out of context. It also reminds me quite a bit of a demo of Fresh Maggots I have about.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 10:18 PM

Hardcore collectors are still discovering one-off acetates and tape recordings
from long gone 1960s / 70s publishing companies..

Many are anonymous discs with scant details handwritten or rubber stamped on the lables..

There's big money to be made on ebay if they can be linked to celebrity names
who were pre-'fame' young jobbing session players / singers to earn extra money...

There was a pool of fairly well known musicians who had a side line income
churning out genre music for film and TV media library companies..

"Right then lads, you are booked in the studio for half an hour this afternoon to record a 3 minute folk sounding track,
like that rubbish those hairy smelly students like to listen to.
Just don't make it to close to a record we can get sued for.
You can make up the words and music in the pub this lunchtime.
We're certain we can flog the track to a new pagan sex horror comedy
in production in the west country...
"

... something like that...

This is the stuff us music obsessives drool over...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 10:22 PM

I provided enough information so if any of you think that book that was mentioned earlier would be helpful, you can get your hands on a library copy. It sounds like it might be useful to take a look at (on something so scarce and expensive in the used-book market, I have been known to scan a personal PDF copy before returning the book to the library. It's over 500 pages, so pace yourself.)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 10:27 PM

It sounds like Helen has an ear that is going to help solve this, if anything will.

any way to search the human voice within recordings? (I didn't clip the whole thing, because I'm a retired writer/marketer/web content editor from a library. Not a librarian, though I did a lot of that work before I finished. Go figure.)

I think the FBI might have software to do that; the rest of us have to search a bit harder.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Helen
Date: 20 Aug 21 - 10:36 PM

My Hubby tried the song on Spotify. No luck. A bit too obscure, I think.

A No-Hit Wonder band perhaps?

pfr, you missed your calling.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 12:15 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D7xJhhht

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D7xJhhhtow


I think that what we've been hearing is a sped-up version of what may be the original take. Have a listen. Then, if possible, run that though the voice recognition thingy and see if that gives any results. I'm hoping the key to cracking this thing is there.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 12:24 AM

PS Note that the one we've been listening to is 3:00 minutes long. When it's slowed down and then lasts about 3:30, it definitely changes the search parameters, because we're now looking for a duet from probably the UK. If some of the Brits get on this, perhaps either they'll know the singers or maybe where they're from based on their accents. ??


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,LM-Harbor
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 12:59 AM

GUEST,#

A few things to note -
I would not rely on 3:05 being the actual length of the song. For one, we are missing the INTRO to the track. Notice how abruptly and somewhat "aggressively" the singing starts? I think we are missing a maximum of 10-15 seconds of the song in the beginning.

The link you have provided, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D7xJhhhtow, is a song's cover by a loyal community member.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 01:15 AM

Reddit.com seems to be quite intrigued by this mystery as well. Here is a thread covering the search for the song on the r/TipOfMyTongue board - a place for people to help ID television shows, movies, songs, etc.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/comments/oyrxas/tomtsong_please_help_me_solve_this_little/


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 06:28 AM

Have folks definitely discounted it being a spoof / homage track recorded in recent years,
in a very retro style..???

That way it could easily be unknown to any databases...

Such things are not that uncommon these days,
When any of us can make very professional sounding recordings
on inexpensive equipment in the comfort and anonymity
of our own homes...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 06:38 AM

Like digital photo filters to make new images look antique sepia and tattered.
Amateur musician home recordists can apply audio filters making new recordings sound vintage...

.. just saying...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,PyshcedOutStolas
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 07:35 AM

@PFR
This song was om a tape with several other obscure rock songs which were identified. The age of this recording definitely stretches to the 70s.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 09:30 AM

fair enough..

obviously, anyone new to this 'detective' case needs to eliminate other lines of enquiry...

One band I immediately considered was Dando Shaft,
but as far as I recall their discog is completey known;
and anyway it doen't really sound much like them...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 09:50 AM

Something just doesn't add up. Listen to both the 3:00 take and the 3:30 take. If one is a sped-up version of the other, then how can they both be in the same key? For example, play any 45 rpm at 45 rpm speed, then play the same 45 at 78 rpm. The key will be higher in the second one. So why doesn't that hold true in this case?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:01 AM

GUEST,#

What 3:30 version?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:05 AM

The one at

Date: 21 Aug 21 - 12:15 AM


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:05 AM

By the 3.30 track,
are you talking about the recently recorded tribute rerecording..

The longer track is a very good new cover version...


On a similar note, I've found an unidentified performance on one of my sister's old knackered audio cassettes from the 80s..

It sounds like a local children's piano grade competition..

There's a weird eerie sounding part
which I'm definitely going to sample into a loop...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:07 AM

GUEST,#

I'm a bit confused. Why are you taking someone's cover of the song into account? That's not the sped-up version of our mystery song. That's someone's cover of the song with an extended INTRO as a bonus.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:20 AM

@ GUEST Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:07 AM

Who are you?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,LM-Harbor
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:22 AM

LM-Harbor


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:27 AM

Looks like it's my screw-up. Sorry about that.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,LM-Harbor
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:35 AM

No worries. It's fine. Yeah, it is an excellent cover of the song, but ultimately, it is just that: a modern cover. Although, as I mentioned before, there is a chance that we are missing the intro to the song, as I think it is unlikely the song would start with such abrupt singing.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:55 AM

I've not listened too forensically on my small laptop speakers..

.. If this track was taped off a radio broadcast,
could there be a possibility it was a special session recording for the radio station,
and not a track supplied on disc or tape by a record lable...???


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,PyschedUpStolas
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 11:08 AM

Demo, Private Press, Tax Scam... all we know for sure is it's remarkably obscure and was played in Chicago. I went through Illinois private press lists on discogs and didn't find it. I went through the acid archives and did not as well.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 11:26 AM

.. at least it survived...

..unlike too many vintage recordings and movies carelessly lost through incompetent storage, or deliberately destroyed...

Btw.. I'm particularly keen on newly discovered 'lost' album releases...

eg.. I'm very happy the Rare Bird Live concert has finally arrived on official CD...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,LM-Harbor
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 11:28 AM

These are some of the tracks which the OP asked for help in identifying. The names on the left (before the colon) are the unofficial titles we've given to these tracks before they got solved. We have the recording for each song, but I don't know where to upload them.

First Stone in a Pyramid: Gabriel Bondage - First Stone in a Pyramid
Won't Matter in a Hundred Years: Gabriel Bondage - You And The Wind
Bird of Paradise: Free Hot Lunch - Bird of Paradise
Fly Away: Henry Gross - Fly Away
State of our Union: Mariah - Reunion
Leavin' Idaho: Allen Dobb - Leavin' Idaho
Wide Eyed: Allen Dobb - Watkin's Man
Ladies & Gentlemen: Gabriel Bondage - Ladies And Gentlemen
Under Your Wings: Rare Bird - Bird On a Wing
Open Spaces: Xit - Beginning / At Peace
The Fishes: Unsolved


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,LM-Harbor
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 11:40 AM

There is also that one instrumental track which was later identified on WatZatSong.com as "Sneaky Pete Kleinow - Spittin’ Image"


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,PyshcedOutStolas
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 12:37 PM

@PFR
I'd love to find the source of this. The idea that an acid folk band with a song like this exists and I haven't heard is exciting.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Helen
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 03:01 PM

On the reddit page which Guest linked to on 21 Aug 21 - 01:15 AM, one of the people mentioned was Tommy Shaw who was in the band Styx. I listened to Boat on the River (BOTR) which was released in 1979 and TS wrote the song and also was the vocalist.

The singer's voice and the musical style and arrangement seem to have similarities to the mystery song, although the most prominent instrument in BOTR is the mandolin and not guitar and piano. The lyrics are simple and uncomplicated, very much like the lyrics of the mystery song. I would say the same of the base melodies of each song. It's the arrangements and style which makes both songs more interesting, IMHO.

Styx were from Chicago. Tommy Shaw joined the band in 1976.

The song BOTR was a bit more laid-back than some of their other songs. I never bought any of their albums, but that song always stops me in my tracks whenever I hear it.

My theory is, that *if* the mystery song was written and performed by Tommy Shaw then it has a high probability that it was a demo tape created by him in the early to mid '70's before he joined Styx which would explain why it is not showing up on searches for tracks on albums.

According to Wiki he is still alive and kicking. Can anyone contact him and ask him?


Also, thanks LM-Harbor for the list of other songs on the cassette.

And I think that the cover version doesn't help, IMHO, in trying to identify the original version because I am sticking to my earlier assertion that the vocal and musical qualities and style of the track is more useful for pinning down the identity of the performer/s.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,LM-Harbor
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 03:35 PM

Helen,

Could this be it? A garage pop band, featuring a very young Tommy Shaw. They only released one single. Track B is called "Coming Home".

I cannot find any audio of the single on the Internet, so we will, unfortunately, have to resort to contacting those who do have it, which may or may not always work.

https://www.discogs.com/artist/5684340-The-Vagabonds-14


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,LM-Harbor
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 03:37 PM

I've contacted the contributor along with one of the members who do have it.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 04:05 PM

Actually, I don't think it is "The Vagabonds". It features a saxophone in it + the band formed when Tommy Shaw was only 14 years of age.

https://eu.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2021/08/05/styxs-tommy-shaw-has-heart-full-music-and-montgomery/8071428002/

http://tommyshaw.net/wp/index.php/biography/


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,PyschedOutStolas
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 01:02 AM

@Helen @Guest
Fantastic work with a new lead and then working to rule it out... I know Chicago also had quite a few folk clubs. I'm sure there are some folks on mudcat who were involved. It is my hope eventually someone will show up.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,LM-Harbor
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 08:50 AM

"The Vagabonds" likely ruled out. Got a reply from the contributor of the page.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: Helen
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 03:54 PM

Tommy Shaw's website


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,PyschedUpStolas
Date: 07 Sep 21 - 04:26 PM

Any contacts from the folk club era we could find on mudcat? How about the freak scene?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,Gallus Moll
Date: 09 Sep 21 - 04:48 AM

Apologies if this has been suggested already, but 'Whispering' Bob Harris is exactly the radio DJ to have played this song, know the background? I remember hearing Strawbs and other alternative bands of that era on his late night show back in the '70s.
I think he has a facebook page? (after a quick look on google)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Sep 21 - 03:51 PM

Anything new?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,LM-Harbor
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 12:52 PM

@Guest, Gallus Moll

We've contacted "Whispering" Bob Harris about a week ago. He never got back to us, even though he's fairly active on social media. I don't want to continue bothering him, so is there any other person you think could also be a potential lead?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,Nick Dow
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 01:42 PM

Sounds like the band 'It's a beautiful Day'. (White Bird)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Oct 21 - 01:45 PM

Is UK magazine "Record Collector" still going...???

Seems the sort of thing they'd be interested in investigating...


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,LM-Harbor
Date: 08 Oct 21 - 06:54 PM

Thanks. Wouldn't hurt to try reaching out to them, I guess.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,PyschedUpStolas
Date: 25 Oct 21 - 10:42 PM

One of the things that bothers me the most is I can't place an accent to it. It's no Watersons nor Copper Family, and I think at times it sounds distinctly American, but it may not be. I also tend to think the British band Writing on the Wall sounds American. It reminds me both of West Coast American folk ala CSNY and of English folk


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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s
From: GUEST,LM-Harbor
Date: 28 Oct 21 - 02:07 PM

Any updates on this?


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