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Subject: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,PyschedUpStolas Date: 19 Aug 21 - 03:34 PM I've got a song of obscure origins that I figured someone here might recognize. The title and artist are unknown. Currently, it is referred to as the "The Fishes" (based on an early mishearing) or "Take Me Home" as working titles. The song was taped off of Chicago radio in the 70s. There's a bit of organ at the end which is Rare Bird - Bird on a Wing and not related to this song. This song was misidentified as Keith James - Take Me Home. This results in a bunch of websites with it mislabeled. I get a little bit of a Strawbs vibe from it, and have been trudging through the Acid Archives for it, but haven't had any luck. The current interpretation of the lyrics is below: As I came onto the village square I saw a lady standing there I can take you to a tavern if you drive And she thanked me with a twinkle in her eye Tavern master saw that I was fit to crash My guitar was strapped within my shoulder bag I can earn my keep for meal and a bed Tellin’ tales of all the villages I’ve passed Playin’ my song was much to my surprise Sufficient in the tavern keeper's eyes Listen to me sing the days of long ago And the lady wants to take me to her home Take me home (take me home) Take me home On my way On my way |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 20 Aug 21 - 06:30 AM I see why you are getting the Strawbs vibe, but it doesn't sound like them to me. The style of the song and the singing, the electric guitar and the electric piano sounds vaguely familiar to me, but I have never heard that song before. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Aug 21 - 06:43 AM Hmmm. Mysterious. Here's a recording: |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,# Date: 20 Aug 21 - 08:39 AM I spent an hour on this yesterday and my searches ball led back to the same five or six posts on the www. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST Date: 20 Aug 21 - 08:48 AM Sounds a bit like one of the lesser known "psychedelic" groups of the late '60's perhaps Clear Light or Strawberry Alarm clock ?? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,PyschedUpStolas Date: 20 Aug 21 - 09:29 AM @Guest If it was on a major label like Strawberry Alarm Clock, I think someone would have identified it. However, I also went through the Acid Archives, a reference book for underground pysch and rock, and found nothing which seemed to fit. There's another reference book to Private Press, Enjoy the Experience, which may have it but is several hundred dollars to acquire. I think we are looking at an incredibly obscure track. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: punkfolkrocker Date: 20 Aug 21 - 10:12 AM Google music recognition app failed to identify it. It is usually quite reliable. So this gem seems to be a really obscure track as far as online data bases are concerned... Perhaps other similar apps might recognise it...??? It sounds too polished for a demo, - maybe a well recorded extremely rare private pressing..??? Or could be one of the myriad of shelved and forgotten undocumented fully mastered out-take tracks denied release by philistine record lable managers...????? btw..Thumbs up for even a micro second fragment of a Rare Bird track, one of the best bands ever imho... |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,# Date: 20 Aug 21 - 10:28 AM pfr: Check YT. Some of their tracks are on it. See the following link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKkuiprkmMg&list=PLoIDt_C5y1LvK5vQsU60ak-yGesZp3Yen |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Aug 21 - 10:53 AM I don't have a dog in this fight, I just enjoy looking for obscure or hard-to-find documents and books. You can retire from the library but all of those habits go with you when you leave the building. I started by making a title search on Bookfinder.com and pulled up reference to a book called Enjoy the Experience: Homemade Records 1958-1992 by Gregg Turkington and Will Louviere. Hardcover, ISBN 9781938265044 Publisher: Sinecure Books, 2013 Bookfinder.com search results. When I look it up by ISBN in WorldCat I see an additional author, Johan Kugelberg. Cut and paste more details: Find Items About: Kugelberg, Johan, (5); Major, Paul, (3); Daley, Michael (max: 4) Title: Enjoy the experience : homemade records, 1958-1992 / Author(s): Kugelberg, Johan, ; editor. Major, Paul, ; editor. Daley, Michael; 1985- ; (Michael P.),; editor. Publication: Los Angeles : Sinecure Books, Edition: First edition. Year: 2012, ©2012 Description: 505 pages : chiefly illustrations (some color) ; 28 cm Language: English "Enjoy the experience" / by Johan Kugelberg -- Interview with Paul Major -- Mike Ascherman's top 20 -- From the music library of Jack Streitman -- Record reviews by Paul Major -- Biographies: Tim Adams -- The Rhodes Kids -- Don Thompson -- The Reflections -- The Shaggs -- Aliotta Haynes Jeremiah -- Dora Hall -- Joe Valino -- Leon Ashley -- Jr. and His Soulettes -- The Lu-Wows -- Harriette Blake -- Al Morgan -- Ed Lyman -- Lee Sohn -- Marty Sabell -- Susanne Haines -- Dane Sturgeon -- Darwin Gross -- Troy Cory -- Myrna and Sherry Emata -- The Dynamic Duo -- Jerry Solomon -- Clyde Derby -- Mel Norfleet -- Marc Mundy -- 33 1/3 -- Phil Palumbo and Eddie Paolucci -- Robbie "The Werewolf" Robison -- Palmer Rockey -- Ray Torske -- Luie Luie -- Silk & Silver -- Danny & The Tunesmen -- Russ Saul -- Paul Ciminello -- Jimmie Davis -- Vic Caesar -- Chailo -- Michael Farneti -- Toni Carroll -- Ron & Shirley -- O.L. Jaggers -- Captain Hook and His Pirate Crew -- Alexander Longrifle -- Barbara Velasco -- Joe E. -- The Links. Standard No: ISBN: 1938265041; 9781938265044; National Library: 016781458 LCCN: 2012-909616 Abstract: "Enjoy The Experience is the largest collection of American private press vinyl ever amassed and presented, featuring over one thousand cover reproductions from 1958-1992 ... The subjects of Enjoy The Experience range from Lesbian Folk singers to Psychedelic Disco bands; Awkward Teen Pop combos to Pizza Parlor Organists; Religious Cult Leaders to Swank Sinatra Imitators. But this is not a novelty freak show: also profiled and discussed are some of the most highly regarded rock, soul, jazz, funk and singer/songwriter albums from the latter half of the twentieth century. From the awkward-yet-talented to the genius-yet-bizarre, one thing unites all musicians presented here: they sincerely hoped to become stars, they committed themselves to record, and they left themselves vulnerable to an industry not understanding of nuance, not appreciative of character"--Publisher's website. SUBJECT(S) Descriptor: Sound recordings -- Production and direction -- United States. Sound recordings -- Album covers -- United States. Sound recordings -- Album covers -- United States -- Pictorial works. Sound recordings -- Album covers. Sound recordings -- Production and direction. Genre/Form: Pictorial works. Geographic: United States. Class Descriptors: LC: ML3790; Dewey: 780.26/90973 Other Titles: Homemade records, 1958-1992 Responsibility: edited by Johan Kugelberg ; co-editors, Paul Major & Michael P. Daley ; contributing editors, Gregg Turkington, Will Louviere, Geoffrey Weiss, Evan LeVine, Rich Haupt, Douglas Mcgowan, Brandan Kearney, Mike Ascherman, Jack Streitman, Gabriel Mckee, Will Cameron, Eothen Alapatt. Vendor Info: Brodart Baker and Taylor YBP Library Services (BROD BTCP YANK) Accession No: OCLC: 842883909 Database: Worldcat And here's the meat of the entry - the libraries that have this in their holdings (use this to find it locally or to make an interlibrary loan request): Location Library Local Holdings Code US,TX AUSTIN PUB LIBR TXG US,TX TEXAS CHRISTIAN UNIV ICU US,TX TEXAS TECH UNIV ILU US,TX UNIV OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN IXA US,AR CENTRAL ARKANSAS LIBR SYST AKD US,CA ALIBRIS ALBRS US,CA ART CTR COLL OF DESIGN ACD US,CA SAN DIEGO PUB LIBR JTB US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, RIVERSIDE CRU US,CT YALE UNIV LIBR YUS US,DC GEORGETOWN UNIV DGU US,DC LIBRARY OF CONGRESS DLC US,FL UNIV OF MIAMI Local Holdings Availa... FQG US,IA IOWA CITY PUB LIBR LXY US,IA IOWA STATE UNIV IWA US,IL CHICAGO PUB LIBR CGP US,IL COLUMBIA COLL CHICAGO LIBR IBZ US,IL NORTHWESTERN UNIV LIBR INU US,IL SCHOOL OF THE ART INST OF CHICAGO LIBR ILO US,IN INDIANA UNIV PURDUE UNIV INDIANAPOLIS L IUP US,KS UNIV OF KANSAS KKU US,MA GORDON COLL, JENKS LIBR MWN US,MA HARVARD UNIV HUL US,MA SMITH COL SNN US,MN HENNEPIN CNTY LIBR HCO US,NC BAKER & TAYLOR INC TECH SERV & PROD DEV BTCTA US,NC DUKE UNIV LIBR NDD US,NC UNIV OF N CAROLINA, CHAPEL HILL NOC US,NH GOBI LIBR SERVS YDX US,NJ COLLEGE OF NEW JERSEY, THE NJT US,NY METROPOLITAN MUS OF ART MZA US,NY MUSEUM OF MODERN ART, THE MMX US,NY NEW YORK PUB LIBR NYP US,NY NEW YORK UNIV ZYU US,NY QUEENS BOROUGH PUB LIBR ZQP US,NY SCHOOL OF VISUAL ARTS LIBR ZVT US,NY UNIV OF ROCHESTER RRR US,OH AKRON-SUMMIT CNTY PUB LIBR APL US,OH OBERLIN COL LIBR OBE US,OH ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME AND MUSEUM OHRRH US,PA BRODART BOOKS & LIBR SERVS BDX US,PA CARNEGIE MELLON UNIV PMC US,PA UNIV OF PITTSBURGH PIT US,RI BROWN UNIV RBN US,TN UNIV OF TENNESSEE TKN US,UT UNIV OF UTAH UUM US,VA UNIV OF VIRGINIA VA@ US,VT UNIV OF VERMONT HOWE LIBR VTU US,WA SEATTLE PUB LIBR UOK US,WA UNIV OF WASHINGTON LIBR WAU US,WI MARQUETTE UNIV GZQ US,WI UNIV OF WISCONSIN, MILWAUKEE GZN US,WY UNIV OF WYOMING LIBR WYU Australia BRISBANE CITY COUN LIBR SERV AUBRI Australia STATE LIBR OF VICTORIA APVIC CA,AB UNIV OF CALGARY LIBR UAU CA,BC VANCOUVER PUB LIBR VP@ CA,ON TORONTO PUB LIBR TOH CA,ON UNIV OF OTTAWA OTZ CA,ON YORK UNIV LIBR YOU New Zealand AUCKLAND LIBRS NZAUC Qatar QATAR NAT LIBR QAFCL United Kingdom BRITISH LIBR REFERENCE COLLECTIONS BLSTP United Kingdom UNIV OF READING LIBR REU United Kingdom UNIV OF THE ARTS LONDON UKUAL |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,PyschedUpStolas Date: 20 Aug 21 - 10:56 AM @PFR I considered tax scam label, but if it is then it's probably on of the few missing releases because none of the known tax scam records seem to fit. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,PyschedUpStolas Date: 20 Aug 21 - 11:38 AM @StillyRiverSage Cheers, mate! I hadn't considered interlibrary loan. Perhaps it'll pull something up. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,LM-Harbor Date: 20 Aug 21 - 11:48 AM Some further context might be of value: The OP mentioned that this song was on his old high school tape from the 70s and likely recorded off WBBM-FM or XRT. Another user also recommended looking into WXFM (Triad Radio), as that is the station that would have played "Rare Bird" back in those days. Though, the archivist for the station was contacted but said he has no recollection of ever playing this song on Triad, nor does he believe it came from that station. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,LM-Harbor Date: 20 Aug 21 - 11:58 AM Correction: Not all of them, but most came from his old high school tapes form the 70s. You can read the message here - https://prnt.sc/1qd8l21 |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,# Date: 20 Aug 21 - 01:35 PM GUEST,LM-Harbor, I was looking into the radio station angle yesterday and came up with nothing. However, the chances of locating a playlist from an unknown 'exact date' (or exact title) sometime in the 1970s doesn't look too promising. I also tried various lyric searches, figuring the song may have been copyrighted, but no happiness there, either. This seems to be one serious stumper. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,LM-Harbor Date: 20 Aug 21 - 02:20 PM GUEST,# Yes, you are right. The most frustrating part is that, logically, you'd think the title of the song would be very apparent and something that's stressed in the lyrics, such as "Take Me Home", "On My Way", "The Tale Of..." - Heck, with the number of times the word "Tavern" is repeated in the song, I'd be pretty surprised if that word is not referenced in the title - but nothing ever comes up. Discogs hasn't been of much help, either. However, we are persistently searching for the song on it. Finding this one is going to be quite a difficult task. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 20 Aug 21 - 02:53 PM Yes Maggie, I suffer from the same affliction: "I don't have a dog in this fight, I just enjoy looking for obscure or hard-to-find documents and books. You can retire from the library but all of those habits go with you when you leave the building." Listening to the song, the singer doesn't appear to have a strong American accent to me, although the word "master" is pronounced "masster" and not "marster". Some UK accents use that pronunciation though, and the words "tavern" and "village" give a UK influence to the song. The original post on this thread mentions The Strawbs who were a UK band - I have had one of their albums since the mid-'70's and then upgraded to CD about 20 years ago - and a Guest 20 Aug 21 - 08:48 AM mentioned Strawberry Alarm Clock who were a US band. I remember their song Incense and Peppermints but the names of the rest of their songs are not familiar to me. The two bands have different musical styles, I'm thinking, and I admit I only have one album of The Strawbs but I see very little similarity to the mystery song. It would probably help to narrow down the likely year or years that the song was originally heard instead of just saying that it was sometime in the '70's. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,# Date: 20 Aug 21 - 02:55 PM I hear you on that. About the only thing we know for sure is that the play-time of the song is smack on three minutes give or take a second. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 20 Aug 21 - 03:10 PM I'm wondering whether it was a very early song from an artist or band who/which became better known later, and maybe developed a more distinctive and therefore more identifiable sound or style. If that is the case it would explain why the musical style sounds vaguely familiar to me. I have to say that personally I find the lyrics of this song not "memorable" - to put it diplomatically. LOL |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Aug 21 - 04:07 PM Three minutes play time is exactly what the radio stations wanted, so a huge majority of songs produced at that time would be 3 minutes. It means this isn't a great filtering tool in the search, it just lets you eliminate the few longer songs. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Joe Offer Date: 20 Aug 21 - 04:24 PM This kinda working together is what I love about Mudcat. We should do it more often. This is fun! |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 20 Aug 21 - 04:26 PM Yeah, Joe! This is why I'm still here after all these years! Careful, you might be catching the librarians' affliction. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,LM-Harbor Date: 20 Aug 21 - 04:33 PM RULED-OUT SONGS - Keith James - Take Me Home Rattlesnake Joe - Tavern Song Don & Faith Peters - Tavern Song Aarons & Ackley - Take Me Home Alex Chilton - Take Me Home & Make Me Like It Atkinson Danko And Ford With Brockie And Hilton - Take Me Home Balcones Fault ?- Take Me Home Barry McGee - When Will You Take Me Home Bearfoot - Take Me Home Bert Keely - Take Me Home Blue Light - Take Me Home Leuan R. Evans ?– Take Me Home Mountain Glory - On My Way Home Page One - Take Me Home Freight Train Chariot - Take Me Home Charley D. And Milo - Take Me Home Cheetah Chrome - Take Me Home Dear Wolf - Take Me Home Delta - Take Me Home Einar Vilberg Hjartarson ? - Take Me Home Foundars 15 Rock Group - Take Me Home Johnny's Dance Band ? - Take Me Home Justus - Take Me Home Little River Band - Take Me Home Micheal Sweet - Take Me Home Outpouring - Take Me Home Again Redwing - Take Me Home Rob Crosby - Take Me Home The Return Of The Electric Banana - Take Me Home Monarchs - Take Me Home Paul Revere & The Raiders - Take Me Home The Second Coming - Take Me Home The Steve Gibbons Band - Take Me Home John & Margie Cook - Down At The Tavern Elmer Lush - Tavern Song Ebony - Tavern Girl Knuckles O'Toole - There Is A Tavern In The Town Winifred Atwell - Tavern Town Warren Carr - A Tavern In The Town Jim Meyer - The Tavern Ham Brothers - Take Me Home Don Lange - On The Road Again Free Beer - Out On The Road The County Line Best of Country Vol. 1 - Six Days On The Road Aztec Two-Step - On The Road The Dillars - Get Out On The Road Country Joe McDonald ?– I'm On The Road Again Tony Mason - Always Out And On The Road Dickey Betts and Great Southern - Back On the Road Again Buddy Cagle - The Guitar Player The Stoneman Family ?- Take Me Home Re'Generation - On My Journey Home Harvest - On My Way Home The Lewis Family - On The Way Home The Inspirations - On The Way Home Nev Nicholls & The Country Playboys - Coming Back Home Delaney & Bonnie & Friends - Sing My Way Home New Riders Of The Purple Sage - On My Way Back Home Heron ?– Take Me Back Home Fludd - I'm On My Way Olsen Brothers - I'm On My Way The Marmalade - On My Way Now James Rutledge - On My Way Up The Shoes - I'm On My Way Willi Meyer - I'm On My Way Wonderland - On My Way Smiffy - Take Me Home Captain & Tennille ?– I'm On My Way John Mayall ?– Take Me Home Tonight The U.S. Scooters - Take Me Home Black Leather Touch - Take Me Home Ashley Hutchings ?– Tavern In The Town |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 20 Aug 21 - 04:37 PM Wow LM-Harbor. You've either listened to all of those songs or already knew some of them??!! Nice work! |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST Date: 20 Aug 21 - 04:47 PM Helen Yes, but not only me. We've been searching for this song for the past few months now; as time goes on, more and more leads will start pilling up, so we made spreadsheets to help facilitate the search. We've been gradually adding ruled-out songs to the spreadsheets for over a few months now. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 20 Aug 21 - 04:58 PM Ok, yes, but still impressive. And spreadsheets! My favourite data tool of all time. LOL I'm still leaning more towards trying to match up the musical style of the song to performers or bands, or the style of the lyrics to other songs of that era. And this reference to high school in the '70's - can we narrow that down? It's likely to be mid to late high school, so what years were they? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST Date: 20 Aug 21 - 05:06 PM I think early to mid-70s. I'm not certain, though. Will update you back ASAP |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 20 Aug 21 - 05:15 PM Thanks Guest, who I assume is LM-Harbor. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,LM-Harbor Date: 20 Aug 21 - 05:19 PM Oh my, I thought it would start assigning my name automatically after a few comments , haha. My mistake. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,# Date: 20 Aug 21 - 05:37 PM I think the words will not be how we find the song. That's been done by many others for about 4 or 5 months now. SRS and Helen: Do either of you librarians have any way to search the human voice within recordings? Specifically, I'm wondering about the voices starting at 1:12 of the link in the OP. Also, though likely unrelated, the word crash as a euphemism for sleep was in common usage in NYC in 1964/5. Also, "I can earn my keep for meal and a bed" is a strange way to phrase it, making me suspect that the singer isn't also the writer. However, I've been wrong before. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 20 Aug 21 - 05:59 PM LM-Harbor, have you thought of joining Mudcat? It's a great musical community and we love musical puzzles to solve. Joining is free. You can check it out on the Membership link, just under the Mudcat logo at the top of each page. Just looking at the lyrics again. "tavern keeper" sounds like a UK term too |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 20 Aug 21 - 06:42 PM The mystery song, from about 1:12 on the track as suggested above, goes into some interesting and clever musical bits. I keep thinking of the band Yes, with the keyboard and the style of their music and the excellent guitar work and the harmonies used by the singers. I haven't heard any of the Yes albums for decades but they were impressively clever musicians. Although, their lyrics were a bit more in-depth than the mystery song's lyrics. I just asked Hubby to listen to the song because he knows a lot of music and bands. Also he said the app Spotify on a mobile phone can do tune recognition. You can hold your phone close to the tune being played and it recognises similar tunes. That would rely on the tune being well enough known to be in the main tune databases of course. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,# Date: 20 Aug 21 - 07:13 PM Super, Helen. In the event there is a Yes connection, the following link goes to 200 of their songs. I checked only a few and lyrics were posted where one clicks the titles that show. https://www.azlyrics.com/y/yes.html |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 20 Aug 21 - 08:12 PM You can limit the search to the early '70's and before. I don't necessarily think that it is a Yes song. It just reminds me of their style. If Yes does happen to be the correct group it would be before they went to the all-out, OTT (over the top), full-on production numbers. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,PyshcedOutStolas Date: 20 Aug 21 - 08:22 PM @Helen Don't Yes and Strawbs share members? I assumed it's neither though because it would have been dug up by now (it reminds quite a bit of something off of Witchwood). It may have originated from a prog band though. Some prog songs could easily be tagged folk if heard out of context. It also reminds me quite a bit of a demo of Fresh Maggots I have about. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: punkfolkrocker Date: 20 Aug 21 - 10:18 PM Hardcore collectors are still discovering one-off acetates and tape recordings from long gone 1960s / 70s publishing companies.. Many are anonymous discs with scant details handwritten or rubber stamped on the lables.. There's big money to be made on ebay if they can be linked to celebrity names who were pre-'fame' young jobbing session players / singers to earn extra money... There was a pool of fairly well known musicians who had a side line income churning out genre music for film and TV media library companies.. "Right then lads, you are booked in the studio for half an hour this afternoon to record a 3 minute folk sounding track, like that rubbish those hairy smelly students like to listen to. Just don't make it to close to a record we can get sued for. You can make up the words and music in the pub this lunchtime. We're certain we can flog the track to a new pagan sex horror comedy in production in the west country..." ... something like that... This is the stuff us music obsessives drool over... |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Aug 21 - 10:22 PM I provided enough information so if any of you think that book that was mentioned earlier would be helpful, you can get your hands on a library copy. It sounds like it might be useful to take a look at (on something so scarce and expensive in the used-book market, I have been known to scan a personal PDF copy before returning the book to the library. It's over 500 pages, so pace yourself.) |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Aug 21 - 10:27 PM It sounds like Helen has an ear that is going to help solve this, if anything will. any way to search the human voice within recordings? (I didn't clip the whole thing, because I'm a retired writer/marketer/web content editor from a library. Not a librarian, though I did a lot of that work before I finished. Go figure.) I think the FBI might have software to do that; the rest of us have to search a bit harder. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 20 Aug 21 - 10:36 PM My Hubby tried the song on Spotify. No luck. A bit too obscure, I think. A No-Hit Wonder band perhaps? pfr, you missed your calling. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,# Date: 21 Aug 21 - 12:15 AM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D7xJhhht https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D7xJhhhtow I think that what we've been hearing is a sped-up version of what may be the original take. Have a listen. Then, if possible, run that though the voice recognition thingy and see if that gives any results. I'm hoping the key to cracking this thing is there. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,# Date: 21 Aug 21 - 12:24 AM PS Note that the one we've been listening to is 3:00 minutes long. When it's slowed down and then lasts about 3:30, it definitely changes the search parameters, because we're now looking for a duet from probably the UK. If some of the Brits get on this, perhaps either they'll know the singers or maybe where they're from based on their accents. ?? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,LM-Harbor Date: 21 Aug 21 - 12:59 AM GUEST,# A few things to note - I would not rely on 3:05 being the actual length of the song. For one, we are missing the INTRO to the track. Notice how abruptly and somewhat "aggressively" the singing starts? I think we are missing a maximum of 10-15 seconds of the song in the beginning. The link you have provided, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D7xJhhhtow, is a song's cover by a loyal community member. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST Date: 21 Aug 21 - 01:15 AM Reddit.com seems to be quite intrigued by this mystery as well. Here is a thread covering the search for the song on the r/TipOfMyTongue board - a place for people to help ID television shows, movies, songs, etc. https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/comments/oyrxas/tomtsong_please_help_me_solve_this_little/ |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: punkfolkrocker Date: 21 Aug 21 - 06:28 AM Have folks definitely discounted it being a spoof / homage track recorded in recent years, in a very retro style..??? That way it could easily be unknown to any databases... Such things are not that uncommon these days, When any of us can make very professional sounding recordings on inexpensive equipment in the comfort and anonymity of our own homes... |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: punkfolkrocker Date: 21 Aug 21 - 06:38 AM Like digital photo filters to make new images look antique sepia and tattered. Amateur musician home recordists can apply audio filters making new recordings sound vintage... .. just saying... |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,PyshcedOutStolas Date: 21 Aug 21 - 07:35 AM @PFR This song was om a tape with several other obscure rock songs which were identified. The age of this recording definitely stretches to the 70s. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: punkfolkrocker Date: 21 Aug 21 - 09:30 AM fair enough.. obviously, anyone new to this 'detective' case needs to eliminate other lines of enquiry... One band I immediately considered was Dando Shaft, but as far as I recall their discog is completey known; and anyway it doen't really sound much like them... |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,# Date: 21 Aug 21 - 09:50 AM Something just doesn't add up. Listen to both the 3:00 take and the 3:30 take. If one is a sped-up version of the other, then how can they both be in the same key? For example, play any 45 rpm at 45 rpm speed, then play the same 45 at 78 rpm. The key will be higher in the second one. So why doesn't that hold true in this case? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:01 AM GUEST,# What 3:30 version? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,# Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:05 AM The one at Date: 21 Aug 21 - 12:15 AM |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: punkfolkrocker Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:05 AM By the 3.30 track, are you talking about the recently recorded tribute rerecording.. The longer track is a very good new cover version... On a similar note, I've found an unidentified performance on one of my sister's old knackered audio cassettes from the 80s.. It sounds like a local children's piano grade competition.. There's a weird eerie sounding part which I'm definitely going to sample into a loop... |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:07 AM GUEST,# I'm a bit confused. Why are you taking someone's cover of the song into account? That's not the sped-up version of our mystery song. That's someone's cover of the song with an extended INTRO as a bonus. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,# Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:20 AM @ GUEST Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:07 AM Who are you? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,LM-Harbor Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:22 AM LM-Harbor |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,# Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:27 AM Looks like it's my screw-up. Sorry about that. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,LM-Harbor Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:35 AM No worries. It's fine. Yeah, it is an excellent cover of the song, but ultimately, it is just that: a modern cover. Although, as I mentioned before, there is a chance that we are missing the intro to the song, as I think it is unlikely the song would start with such abrupt singing. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: punkfolkrocker Date: 21 Aug 21 - 10:55 AM I've not listened too forensically on my small laptop speakers.. .. If this track was taped off a radio broadcast, could there be a possibility it was a special session recording for the radio station, and not a track supplied on disc or tape by a record lable...??? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,PyschedUpStolas Date: 21 Aug 21 - 11:08 AM Demo, Private Press, Tax Scam... all we know for sure is it's remarkably obscure and was played in Chicago. I went through Illinois private press lists on discogs and didn't find it. I went through the acid archives and did not as well. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: punkfolkrocker Date: 21 Aug 21 - 11:26 AM .. at least it survived... ..unlike too many vintage recordings and movies carelessly lost through incompetent storage, or deliberately destroyed... Btw.. I'm particularly keen on newly discovered 'lost' album releases... eg.. I'm very happy the Rare Bird Live concert has finally arrived on official CD... |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,LM-Harbor Date: 21 Aug 21 - 11:28 AM These are some of the tracks which the OP asked for help in identifying. The names on the left (before the colon) are the unofficial titles we've given to these tracks before they got solved. We have the recording for each song, but I don't know where to upload them. First Stone in a Pyramid: Gabriel Bondage - First Stone in a Pyramid Won't Matter in a Hundred Years: Gabriel Bondage - You And The Wind Bird of Paradise: Free Hot Lunch - Bird of Paradise Fly Away: Henry Gross - Fly Away State of our Union: Mariah - Reunion Leavin' Idaho: Allen Dobb - Leavin' Idaho Wide Eyed: Allen Dobb - Watkin's Man Ladies & Gentlemen: Gabriel Bondage - Ladies And Gentlemen Under Your Wings: Rare Bird - Bird On a Wing Open Spaces: Xit - Beginning / At Peace The Fishes: Unsolved |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,LM-Harbor Date: 21 Aug 21 - 11:40 AM There is also that one instrumental track which was later identified on WatZatSong.com as "Sneaky Pete Kleinow - Spittin’ Image" |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,PyshcedOutStolas Date: 21 Aug 21 - 12:37 PM @PFR I'd love to find the source of this. The idea that an acid folk band with a song like this exists and I haven't heard is exciting. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 21 Aug 21 - 03:01 PM On the reddit page which Guest linked to on 21 Aug 21 - 01:15 AM, one of the people mentioned was Tommy Shaw who was in the band Styx. I listened to Boat on the River (BOTR) which was released in 1979 and TS wrote the song and also was the vocalist. The singer's voice and the musical style and arrangement seem to have similarities to the mystery song, although the most prominent instrument in BOTR is the mandolin and not guitar and piano. The lyrics are simple and uncomplicated, very much like the lyrics of the mystery song. I would say the same of the base melodies of each song. It's the arrangements and style which makes both songs more interesting, IMHO. Styx were from Chicago. Tommy Shaw joined the band in 1976. The song BOTR was a bit more laid-back than some of their other songs. I never bought any of their albums, but that song always stops me in my tracks whenever I hear it. My theory is, that *if* the mystery song was written and performed by Tommy Shaw then it has a high probability that it was a demo tape created by him in the early to mid '70's before he joined Styx which would explain why it is not showing up on searches for tracks on albums. According to Wiki he is still alive and kicking. Can anyone contact him and ask him? Also, thanks LM-Harbor for the list of other songs on the cassette. And I think that the cover version doesn't help, IMHO, in trying to identify the original version because I am sticking to my earlier assertion that the vocal and musical qualities and style of the track is more useful for pinning down the identity of the performer/s. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,LM-Harbor Date: 21 Aug 21 - 03:35 PM Helen, Could this be it? A garage pop band, featuring a very young Tommy Shaw. They only released one single. Track B is called "Coming Home". I cannot find any audio of the single on the Internet, so we will, unfortunately, have to resort to contacting those who do have it, which may or may not always work. https://www.discogs.com/artist/5684340-The-Vagabonds-14 |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,LM-Harbor Date: 21 Aug 21 - 03:37 PM I've contacted the contributor along with one of the members who do have it. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST Date: 21 Aug 21 - 04:05 PM Actually, I don't think it is "The Vagabonds". It features a saxophone in it + the band formed when Tommy Shaw was only 14 years of age. https://eu.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/2021/08/05/styxs-tommy-shaw-has-heart-full-music-and-montgomery/8071428002/ http://tommyshaw.net/wp/index.php/biography/ |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,PyschedOutStolas Date: 22 Aug 21 - 01:02 AM @Helen @Guest Fantastic work with a new lead and then working to rule it out... I know Chicago also had quite a few folk clubs. I'm sure there are some folks on mudcat who were involved. It is my hope eventually someone will show up. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,LM-Harbor Date: 22 Aug 21 - 08:50 AM "The Vagabonds" likely ruled out. Got a reply from the contributor of the page. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 22 Aug 21 - 03:54 PM Tommy Shaw's website |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,PyschedUpStolas Date: 07 Sep 21 - 04:26 PM Any contacts from the folk club era we could find on mudcat? How about the freak scene? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,Gallus Moll Date: 09 Sep 21 - 04:48 AM Apologies if this has been suggested already, but 'Whispering' Bob Harris is exactly the radio DJ to have played this song, know the background? I remember hearing Strawbs and other alternative bands of that era on his late night show back in the '70s. I think he has a facebook page? (after a quick look on google) |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST Date: 28 Sep 21 - 03:51 PM Anything new? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,LM-Harbor Date: 07 Oct 21 - 12:52 PM @Guest, Gallus Moll We've contacted "Whispering" Bob Harris about a week ago. He never got back to us, even though he's fairly active on social media. I don't want to continue bothering him, so is there any other person you think could also be a potential lead? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,Nick Dow Date: 07 Oct 21 - 01:42 PM Sounds like the band 'It's a beautiful Day'. (White Bird) |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: punkfolkrocker Date: 07 Oct 21 - 01:45 PM Is UK magazine "Record Collector" still going...??? Seems the sort of thing they'd be interested in investigating... |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,LM-Harbor Date: 08 Oct 21 - 06:54 PM Thanks. Wouldn't hurt to try reaching out to them, I guess. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,PyschedUpStolas Date: 25 Oct 21 - 10:42 PM One of the things that bothers me the most is I can't place an accent to it. It's no Watersons nor Copper Family, and I think at times it sounds distinctly American, but it may not be. I also tend to think the British band Writing on the Wall sounds American. It reminds me both of West Coast American folk ala CSNY and of English folk |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,LM-Harbor Date: 28 Oct 21 - 02:07 PM Any updates on this? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST Date: 14 Jan 22 - 08:32 PM Bump.... this one is still unsolved. Any ideas at all who the singer could be..? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,James Phillips Date: 15 Jan 22 - 10:29 AM I'm going with Tommy Shaw. Their voices have a very similar register and timber, going off some YouTube videos I watched of him singing live. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,James Phillips Date: 15 Jan 22 - 10:30 AM Timbre, not timber obviously lol. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,PyschedOutStolas Date: 22 Jan 22 - 03:48 PM I guess someone could ask a Styx superfan page about that? I'm not sold on the connection but there is nothing to go on here. Unless it's a case of loner folk, I'm got no idea where to look anymore |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 22 Jan 22 - 05:11 PM As an ex-librarian and an ex-teacher, it is a strong ethical, professional principle to not do other people's homework for them. If you want to know the answer, ask him yourself. If not, don't ask other people to do your homework for you, please. And don't keep skirting around a possible answer. Either it is or it isn't Tommy Shaw. Ask him yourself. I gave you his website link on Date: 22 Aug 21 - 03:54 PM. I am beginning to suspect that maybe getting the answer is a secondary consideration. What the primary consideration is, I'm not sure. Maybe making money from hits on a YouTube video? The longer the mystery remains, the more the question can be asked and the more people view the video??? Tell me I'm wrong. I'll be happy to be told I'm wrong if that's not the case. There's a common saying here in Oz and in the UK: either pee or get off the pot. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,Spleencringe Date: 24 Jan 22 - 08:02 AM When I played it to some friends who are big psych-folk heads, they really liked it but were not entirely convinced about the date - this was especially because of the synth-y stuff happening. How clear are you about the provenance of the tape? Do you know the person it came from well enough to be sure it was a genuine 1970s radio recording rather than something mocked up to sound like one? One of the suggestions, if it is a later recording mocked up to sound older, is that it might be something to do with the mysterious Robyn Nice, the anonymous Chicago based loner folk artist who,since the late 90s, has released multiple recordings under a series of pseudonyms, with them often coming to light via unconventional routes. More here:About Robyn Nice And a Bandcamp page collecting some of his releases:Robyn Nice archive |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 24 Jan 22 - 12:50 PM GUEST,Spleencringe, that's an interesting theory. Just to be clear, are you listening to what is supposed to be the original recording from the radio station some time in the 70's from the link in the first post of this thread, GUEST,PyschedUpStolas - PM Date: 19 Aug 21 - 03:34 PM or a later link to a recently created electronic version of it which was posted further into this thread? (The electronic version served no purpose that I could understand. It was just confusing the issue, in my opinion.) |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,Spleencringe Date: 24 Jan 22 - 03:19 PM Hi Helen,yes we listened to the version purporting to be from a 70s tape. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced it's a (fairly benign) hoax. Although not necessarily by the OP and their friends. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 24 Jan 22 - 03:23 PM I don't know Spleencringe, I think this whole thread makes me suspicious. I also have suspicions that the supposed two Guests who started the thread are possibly one and the same person. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,Spleencringe Date: 24 Jan 22 - 03:34 PM I did a similar thing myself 10 years ago when I had a label. We released an album (on 1st April, naturally) that claimed to be a long lost recording of a band associated with a Christian hippy commune from the early 70s. It was actually written & recorded by Bristol songwriter James McKeown. Of course, we left enough clues to indicate we were not entirely serious... Frugal Puritan |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 24 Jan 22 - 03:47 PM No one believes anything which appears on April Fool's Day - or do they? LOL My suspicions on this thread began when the electronic version of the mystery song recording was revealed and also when I read the related Reddit thread where Tommy Shaw's name was first proposed. In the Reddit thread and this thread the two Guests - or maybe one Guest/two names - have sidestepped contacting Tommy Shaw to confirm or deny that the recording could be his. The two/or maybe one Guest(s) repeatedly played a little sidestepping manoeuvre between themselves to divert attention from actually contacting Tommy Shaw. That's when I started to think that there is something in it for the Guest(s) to keep the mystery going for as long as possible on as many platforms as possible. That's why I suspect the YouTube videos may be a money spinning project. Or maybe it feeds a desire for attention. Who knows? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,Tambourine Date: 31 Jan 22 - 04:09 PM Helen, sorry but that 'guest' argument doesn't make sense... not everybody knows how to use this site properly. Besides that, that YouTube video that you think is 'spinning money' belongs to a member of the Discord server who has no affiliation with the song, and only uploaded the song to YouTube since the original uploader never put it on there. The OP had a bunch of mystery songs before (some of which were sought-after for years), and there were plenty of people who doubted the authenticity of the recording... until years later when they were finally identified as authentic 60s-70s songs with very little online following (hence the obscurity). Also, nobody said the song couldn't belong to Tommy Shaws. They just ruled out the "Coming Home" single... because he was literally 14 years old at the time of releasing it. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,PyschedOutStolas Date: 31 Jan 22 - 04:30 PM I shared this here first. I've posted here before as a guest and accidently shifed my name from pyschedout to pyschedup at some point. I've floated around this forum for years. I asked about the song Doodely Doo by Eddie Cantor and how it shares the same verses as a camp song. This song was on a tape with several other obscure songs. We identified the rest. The cover you found is by a user of the server than looks for these songs we have recordings of but no info on. Several other posted songs on that channel are similarly covers of these mystery songs. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 31 Jan 22 - 05:06 PM 14 years old doesn't preclude the possibility of recording the song on a home multi-track tape recorder. So you still haven't actually contacted Tommy Shaw personally to rule him out? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,PyschedOutStolas Date: 31 Jan 22 - 07:59 PM I think it's incredibly unlikely a Tommy Shaw demo would get played on airwaves in the 70s and then fade completely off the face of the earth as most of this type of stuff gets rerelease as bonus tracks these days. Also here is that Tommy Shaw track played years later but clearly not the same song https://youtu.be/NbqXw9aloao |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 31 Jan 22 - 09:25 PM So you still haven't actually contacted Tommy Shaw personally to rule him out? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: Helen Date: 31 Jan 22 - 09:58 PM Good research is based on facts and not just speculation and belief. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,Tambourine Date: 01 Feb 22 - 11:57 AM We can try ig... But expecting a response is usually a miss with famous folks. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,BSP Date: 01 Feb 22 - 03:16 PM Hello, I am the poster of the youtube video. My channel is not monetized and I do not make any money from any of my youtube videos. I just wanted to make this very clear. My channel is strictly for entertainment purposes |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,Tambourine Date: 02 Feb 22 - 06:27 AM @Spleencringe When you have time, please kindly further ask your psych-folk heads why they believe it's a hoax. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,PyschedOutStolas Date: 02 Feb 22 - 07:37 PM I've sent this song met with bewilderment by a few of the internet's resident pysch folk people. I contacted to contributors to the Acid Archives (for example) which covered private press between 1959-198x and they did not recognize it but were interested should we ever source the track. My thoughts are to whether this was on a very rare distribution, be it a promo/demo only or on something like a basement label. There was one called Golden Throats (irc) in Chicago but found no evidence of it there. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: oldhippie Date: 05 Feb 22 - 05:18 PM Guest Nick Dow posted on 07Oct21 that it sounds like It's A Beautiful Day" One of the vocalists on that LP was named Pattie Santos. Could the voice on the recording be hers? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Mystery Song Recording, Sixties or 70s From: GUEST,Tambourine Date: 06 Feb 22 - 05:43 AM The voice during the chorus? |
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