BS: The importance of being while doing

Subject: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Aug 21 - 05:56 PM

The importance of being was a thread here 20 years ago.
Many of the people on that thread left evidence of their being but no longer exist. /mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=18247#179898
People mentioned being too caught up in doing and missing out on just being. If you do it right you will find time gets lost while being while doing. In pandemic days I gave up doing in favor of just being. As they say if you don't use it you lose it. Mind and body is the happier medium. Just being, isn't cracked up to what it used to be, particularly these days.
So while you still exist do you do anything to specifically enhance your being and losing time? playing, cooking, meditating etc.
Losing time doing it is a good sign I think.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 10:07 AM

The initial link is a gateway to read old posts from Amos, catspaw, Peace and others by simply clicking on their name at their post.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 10:14 AM

While this thread has edited out any/all respondents it is still important to know that people who disagree with you have value. I prefer the unedited version. "they are good people"

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 10:14 AM

I fixed the link to the former "The importance of being" thread and I removed the content that had nothing to do with the topic.

That leaves this and the opening post.

There was a particularly nice remark from Amos:

For reflection, I suspect that every dead eye and pained heart you meet is sitting on a time when they had to (as they saw it in the moment) give up being. This happens in time of loss, overwhelm, guilt or great pain.

Makes it look like they are hiding; but they are just trying to find their own ways back home. Some are deeper lost than others, though.

Followed by

GUEST,Neil Lowe

So why is it such a sad comment on our times: that, increasingly, we have to chemically induce happiness?
Yours in Prozac, Neil


From: Amos

My $.02, for what it's worth, is that the same pain that causes an abandonment of being causes, as well, a solid entanglement with meat as a safe hiding place.

Once you go down that path, chemical solutions to emotions are a logical trap that becomes exceeding easy to fall into withal.

and a gem from Katlaughing:

Annap, I know many people like that, also. They sometimes seem to be like hamsters spinning in a wheel. They are afraid to stop and actually BE.
Amos, you said, every dead eye and pained heart you meet is sitting on a time when they had to (as they saw it in the moment) give up being. This happens in time of loss, overwhelm, guilt or great pain

That may be true for some, but I've found that in those times of extreme stress, just Being is ALL I can do. IT is the only way I can find solcae to continue on through all of the pain of whatever as happened.

I do understand the converse of that, though. My mother was the type who always had to be doing something no matter what had happened, except for one time when she gave up in depression. I believe her need to always be doing was what kept her from knowing how to cope with retirement.

All the best,

katlaughing

And Bill D posted a poem that I haven't had time to read yet. here.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 10:15 AM

You want the trolling put back?

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When the off-topic bickering is removed this becomes the incredible shrinking thread. Trolls have been expunged. ---mudelf

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: keberoxu
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 12:41 PM

He's pulling your leg, Stilly ...
great idea linking to that Mudcat thread.

"don't just do something: sit there . . ."

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Aug 21 - 11:04 PM

Let it be. speaking words of wisdom let it be.
I discovered I probably avoided the depression medication trap since I had migraines. Even during the worst agony I always knew things would be better. Now migraine free I can still empathize with other people's pain for what its worth.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Aug 21 - 05:56 AM

in Ireland we call it the craic

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Aug 21 - 07:16 AM

Go figger sum tings r confusin when floatin aroun in da past.
You can still access closed threads too which often are the good ones.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Aug 21 - 11:47 AM

craic
/krak/
noun IRISH
enjoyable social activity; a good time.
"he loves the craic, the late nights"

Who doesn't?

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Aug 21 - 04:08 PM

MASOCHISTS , an English ABERATTION

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Aug 21 - 04:20 PM

I don't know the rules but
MASSOCHRISTS a religious ABERATTION.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 21 - 08:48 PM

I saw a George Clooney movie called Tommorrowland and saw impossible buildings and vehicles on the screen. Like the theme of the movie I said why not?
Every epoch of man has been associated with the materials he has manipulated; stone age, bronze age, iron age...
Material science has brought us good and bad like nylon and plastic.
However an ultimate material is already part of us and that is carbon.
So strong is C70 it could support an elevator to orbit.
We have gone from assembling buckminster fullerines C60,c70 in nano amounts to micro gram and now gram amounts. The process involved arcing electricity between graphite electrodes through soot in a helium atmospere. We never thought we could mass produce the stongest material on Earth for things like bridges and buildings. Imagine making fullerines by the pound that quickly leads to tons. Imagine the archetecture, like permanent housing that could still be moved due to light weight. Imagine the airline industry and advanced aero dynamic aircraft and space ships. Strong unbreakble and light as a feather per inch.

I propose the Fullerine age. Recent advancements have allowed programable self assembly of this special carbon with protein folding and peptide cloning. Add these propriatary biological tricks to something like huge Russian artificial diamond making pressure chambers and we can scale up to construction sized modules.

PS this concept goes back to Buckminster Fuller so its been long in the making. Concrete will have its place but probably will become too expensive.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Aug 21 - 08:49 PM

Buckminster Fuller is a good point to start at.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 21 - 09:10 PM

Buckminster made geodesic domes but chemists found the stable c70
C60 degrades in light.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Aug 21 - 09:29 PM

The movie Midnight Special also features special buildings that fullerines may be capable of building.
My why not imagination, more than not, is a question that often gets answered with; "impossible" "hair brained" or "huh". But thats just in my lifetime. This idea is just tonight's musing
Precious few had real world appliction.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Aug 21 - 11:19 AM

The Swinburne poem that SRS linked to kind of captures my attitude toward the whole process of *being*. It is at once both serious and tongue-in-cheek humorous.
I studied **BEING** (Sartre, Heidegger, Husserl, Hegel, Whitehead, and several others) formally in several classes many years ago and gradually realized that, as Heidegger said, the question of "Why is there being at all" is fundamental.
   Yet, the only answers are imposed on it BY beings, and they don't agree with each other. You may have read some of my jousting with good ol' Amos about 'meat space' and the eternal nature of something like 'spirit'. Amos was at one time up to his eyebrows in Scientology, but backed away from the awkward stuff L. Ron Hubbard spouted and just kept certain 'feelings' about Metaphysics.

That basic division can be seen in dozens of disputes by professionals...like this one

Humans, being able to pose such questions, usually want answers, and create astoundingly complex answers depending on some subjective need. The most common ones are a form of "God did it!"...without asking "Why was there a God to do it"!

   Science, in its pure form, simply examines all the aspects of 'what is' that it can measure or find evidence of, and thus upsets many of the "God did it" crowd with constantly changing evidence and answers.

So... for me, the Swinburne poem says something in a few lines that I would take hours to say... something like, 'It's interesting to speculate, but I don't NEED ultimate answers.'
   All purported final answers to the 'meaning of Being' are logically flawed, even IF one of them happens to be true.
   My favorite logical explanation is "the Explosion Principle"... which in itself provides no final answer, but merely is a way of saying that IF your premises can lead to 2 or more contradictory conclusions, at least one must be false.. and maybe all of them.

Yes, I realize that "The importance of being while doing" intends to say more subtle things than my ramblings, but I contend that we all MUST 'be while we do' and it is just a matter of .... (coining a phrase)... what FLAVOR of being we choose.
Gotta stop now... I have way too much uncomfortable 'doing' on my plate this year....

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Aug 21 - 11:36 AM

To do is to be... Sartre
To be is to do... Socrates
Do be do be do... Sinatra

And just like that, it's a music thread!

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Aug 21 - 03:29 PM

Awww.. Mrrzy, that one is many years old and never was a statement about anything. It's just a play on words, like "Time flies like an arrow.... fruit flies like a banana."

The word Sinatra hardly makes it a music thread.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Aug 21 - 07:58 PM

This is the first I have heard that
the late lamented Amos investigated Scientology.

Wonder what Catspaw49 thought of that ...

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Aug 21 - 01:32 PM

Amos actually was on Hubbard's sailing ship for awhile. Once he left it, he really didn't talk about it. In the many times I spoke with him in person, we NEVER mentioned that part of his past, so I don't know exactly how he became involved.

Amos was a wonderful musician and and great friend. Many of have odd parts of our lives we kinda want to forget. The only link to it for Amos was his confidence that there was some sort of 'realm' after whatever is 'us' leaves the body. He did NOT equate it with standard religious ideas.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Aug 21 - 01:36 PM

Just one of a number of his semi-explanations

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Aug 21 - 01:39 PM

That was a long time ago, I remember speaking (via DM) with Amos about it, it was history, something he learned from. It's out there on the Internet.

Now I'll go look into more of Bill's links.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 21 - 02:47 PM

I was even fascinated with the being while doing concept in a mystical sect of Islam by Gurdjieff-long time ago. To stop and analyse what you are doing several times a day is a revealing practise. i did similar stints in the other 5 major religions as well.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 21 - 03:10 PM

Bill, there are places outside space time such as points of infinate mass inside a super massive black hole or even right before a big bang, bangs or right after. These are places where time STOPS. They are places that do not last forever either but will have ongoing influence.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Aug 21 - 03:59 PM

Oh, no, it is Do be do be do that makes it a music thread. Sinatra was just along for the ride.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 21 - 06:54 PM

Budda said I Like Pizza, I'll have 'One with Everything' then I'll be one with everything.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: keberoxu
Date: 27 Aug 21 - 08:08 PM

Swinburne seems an underrated writer to me,
it's scary the things he comes up with sometimes, actually.

Eugene O'Neill was sufficiently impressed with Swinburne
to put in some direct quotations,
into Long Day's Journey into Night,
when the wife and mother comes out, that last time,
having a pipe dream on morphia.


"A Leave-Taking"

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Aug 21 - 01:44 PM

Mrrzy..One do be do be do doth not a music make..and nor doth several references to it.. ;>)

Donuel.. some theories suppose things about the inside of black holes. In any case, we are not likely to find out. Right now there is **being**... whether there was once not-being, and the debate over whether there will ummm.. again 'be' not-being at some not-time is simply a matter of subjective use of linguistic equivocation.... kinda like Humpty-Dumpty used to confuse Alice.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 21 - 04:37 PM

It is a proven fact that mass slows time. It is a theory by Roger Penrose that space switches places with time inside a black hole.
(Penrose diagram)

There is no such theory that non being-(space) switches places with being-(time) but religions-(total nonsense) have hinted at life and death switching places.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 21 - 05:46 PM

A quickie Chongo explanation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83yGeDri0ds



A complete explanation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KePNhUJ2reI

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 21 - 06:32 PM

As far as material science replacing plastics, this has now arrived mycellium

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Aug 21 - 07:00 PM

Penrose was brilliant. So are some others with theories that differ.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Donuel
Date: 28 Aug 21 - 08:43 PM

Roger is alive
and winning the
Nobel prize.

https://m.facebook.com/nobelprize/photos/a.164901829102/10157742959479103/?type=3&p=120
jus sayin :*}

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 11:49 PM

Forbes has covered Navy Plasma holographic images that leave a heat signature and can be made to appear like UAP's while military.com only mentions the Navy declassification of ufo images.
fun hologram youtube

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2021/07/06/ufos-plasma-lasers-and-the-pentagons-voice-of-god-weapon/?sh=c2790cb722d5


Warfare has always used illusion, misinformation and misdirection.

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Aug 21 - 10:17 AM

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/7d-hologram-whale-video/

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of being while doing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 Aug 21 - 09:50 PM

Suuure it does [grin, wicked grin]...

Subject: RE: BS: The importance of deduction
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Sep 21 - 08:32 AM

My long standing idea that black holes had something to do with the 'recent' acceleration of expanding universal space since a growing number of black holes are generating more space. 'Recent' in this case was about 7 billion years ago. I'm in good company since Roger Penrose has shown a connection with time space conversion in black holes.
Will this ever be proven? Probably not but it doesn't make it a false concept. It does make me a Penrose fan. (but not vice versa :

When I saw the supposed whale hologram I saw bullshit and snopes confirmed it.