BS: Veganism

Subject: RE: BS: Veganism
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Sep 21 - 05:16 AM

In similar vein, a friend of a friend claims to be dairy intolerant and avoids all dairy products.

Except for milk chocolate. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Veganism
From: JHW
Date: 12 Sep 21 - 05:27 AM

Intolerance represents level of content. Girlfriend was gluten intolerant but ate packet curry ok because she knew she could. But it contained gluten.
Another girlfriend was a hospital case on one pine nut.

Subject: RE: BS: Veganism
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Sep 21 - 05:30 AM

Ye gods, pine nuts. I can sit there and scoff a whole bag of them...

Subject: RE: BS: Veganism
From: matt milton
Date: 14 Sep 21 - 09:50 AM

Gonna have to be done if we want our children to live in a world that isn't hell on earth

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/13/meat-greenhouses-gases-food-production-study?fbclid=IwAR1FoOUI8hZ6hoqe2INw21

Subject: RE: solutions
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Sep 21 - 03:31 PM

The advantages of cloned meat in 8 weeks

For fundamentalist vegans there are all plant based versions that use a sythetic meat protein for flavor. (McDonalds uses the prorein for consistant flavor already.)

Subject: RE: BS: Veganism
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 21 - 05:04 PM

I've never understood why "vegans" want food that looks and tastes like real meat. I've seen quorn mince that looks exactly like real minced beef (it tastes like shite, but hey ho). I've seen vegan lamb chops that look just like real lamb chops. Bejayus, in Marks and Sparks today today I saw vegan "bacon" that was brown just like bacon, streaky rasher shaped and which had the fatty stripes in the "rashers" exactly in the right place. For God's sake!

Subject: RE: BS: Veganism
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Sep 21 - 05:39 PM

Some Vegan posted a photo of a pile of (real) bacon rashers, with the added tag "My name was Emma" I suppose referring to the pig.
I felt like replying, "Hello Emma. Nice to eat you!"

Subject: RE: BS: Veganism
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Sep 21 - 05:49 PM

Steve - My edumacated guess is it's a ploy to ease us more open minded omnivores into trying out
and converting to their cult...

A bit like The Children of God sending forth "flirty fishers"
to trawel in thousands of gullible sex starved men for Jesus.....

Subject: RE: BS: Veganism
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 21 - 06:07 PM

All I can say is, much as I love McCartney and Linda, I will not purchase, let alone eat, a Linda McCartney sausage. I don't even want to know what's in 'em. I do cook a few vegan dishes, and even more vegetarian ones, and I think we should all endeavour to eat more of them, but nothing in them emulates meat in any shape or form. To me, a sausage is a banger. Calling vegan grub "sausages," "chops," rashers" or "cutlets" is just bonkers. I'm sure they all taste very nice but the fact that they are called those things puts me off.

Subject: RE: BS: Veganism
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Sep 21 - 06:55 PM

I had vegan sausage at Panara and sent them back. They came back worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Veganism
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Sep 21 - 11:41 PM

I made a batch of falafel this evening, and with chick peas and bulgar wheat it works as a complex carbohydrate. Legume and grains combine to work like a protein replacement. Thing is, for people who protest eating meat for reasons to do with how livestock are raised, they need to look at what industrial agriculture does to raise those peas and that wheat. It is easily as destructive to the environment.

Subject: RE: BS: Veganism
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Sep 21 - 12:40 AM

In my early to mid 20s when I was so skint I had to mostly eat
as if I was a vegetarian;
I became sufficiently informed on the pulse, grain, and nut
combinations which provided the full range of amino acids required to make up effective dietary protein...

Now that I'm facing up to retirement age with no pension or savings,
at least I can fairly easily fall back into that spartan lifestyle
if needs must..

I've already given up all dairy products, including my lifelong beloved Cheddar Cheese
due to health reasons...


Oh well, back to germinating beansprouts and alfalfa in the kitchen,
If I survive covid long enough...

Even though I don't want too, I could probably go vegan under the right circumstances..

Not for sanctimonious moral reasons,
but to cope with financial deprivations...

I have that kind of all or nothing personality,
and self discipline for tolerating forced reductions in variety of lifestyle.

Subject: RE: BS: Veganism
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Sep 21 - 03:59 AM

Oh dear pfr, I'm so sorry you'll be struggling financially. Are there Food Banks in your area? We contribute regularly to one, and a lovely lady in our village transports all the stuff to the big central food bank in the nearby town. It helps folk like your good self to 'keep afloat' nutritionally.
Africans often find themselves in the same situation, eating only the much cheaper cereals (mostly rice) with a few bits of vegetables made into a 'sauce' with added spices. Very tasty, but not enough protein.
Meat (chicken or mutton) is only eaten at religious feast times (and many families can't afford that either)
My poor husband was physically very depleted when he arrived in UK. He had rickets (his legs are still bandy!) and he had osteoporosis, bones like sponges. Fortunately, with an excellent, balanced diet, he soon became stronger, and after being in hospital with 'shin splints' and an acute abdomen (infected intestinal damage die to worms), he flourished.
I suppose it's having seen all this that has made me reject Vegans' suggestions to abandon meat.

Subject: RE: BS: Veganism
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 21 - 06:36 AM

The American homegrown -?- conspiracy cult Q anon still blames Democrats for the most despicable carnivorous habit of all, eating human babies. Names are named and believed, but I've never found evidence of a recipe.

Subject: RE: BS: Veganism
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Sep 21 - 06:58 AM

Sen - thanks for caring, but it's not as bad as that yet..

We'll have my wife's teaching pension, which she's over optimistic
will be enough for both of us..

It'll be tougher for her to adjust to cope without frivolous luxuries.

All her mates are loaded from inheriting properties, and have husbands with big corporate salaries..

Their teaching pensions will be pin money by comparison..

I've just read that wives who have incomplete NI contribution history
might be able to claim something like 60% state pension.
That might be fact...?

However I suspect House Husbands without full NI might be buggered
by good old fashioned sex discrimination...???

There's so much I need to find out,
but the last decade has been devoted to my mum's care,
and so through lack of time and energy I've neglected to even think about my own...

Never mind, me and the mrs both can do with losing a few stones of fat each...

I used to live on something like 20 pence a meal when I was a student.
Peanut butter, tahini, and alfalfa sarnies were really nice...