Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: Felipa
Date: 01 Dec 21 - 02:48 PM

I gather there is a good atmosphere at the Cobblestone, but from the aesthetic viewpoint the area looks to me very nondescript (see photo in the RTE news article, link in message from Peter Laban 29 Nov 2021

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Nov 21 - 10:42 AM

https://www.independent.ie/videos/dublin-is-dying-but-not-dead-yet-dublin-according-to-folk-musician-john-francis-flynn-41088865.html

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: GUEST,..gargoyle
Date: 29 Nov 21 - 08:22 PM

To repeat my views expressed in the previous thread on this subject.

1. Music to NOT about a specific venue.
2. The land holder has ALL the rights.
3. Things change.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 29 Nov 21 - 07:51 PM

Rain Dog - it was an Irish pub, the owners included a member of a well know Irish group. Our members had a couple of drinks each & food but the pub was near a backpacker hostel & we aging folkies could no longer compete with zillions of partying backpackers. The singer sold his share, the pub changed focus. Today it has a new name & appears to be a comedy venue.

Ah, the Good Ol' Days when Sydney had singing & tunes sessions in pubs!
At least 1 tune session is back ...

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: Rain Dog
Date: 29 Nov 21 - 05:13 PM

From The Guardian article

"The owner of the site, Marron Estates, have four weeks to appeal."

Guess it is a case of wait and see.

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"we lost a great little pub with a public singing session years ago. We moved to 2 other venues - old folkies didn't drink enough in one,"

If they provided a separate room for the sessions I can understand the pub wanting to sell a few drinks to cover costs. I have noticed in my local that some groups, or rather some members of those groups, seem to think they can attend meetings while putting little or no money over the bar.

Of course some pubs will still welcome groups just to see a few extra people in the place. Every penny counts.

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 29 Nov 21 - 04:45 PM

Peter, DaveRo made a simple linkifier for times when the Mudcat blickifier doesn't accept long URLs. He recently posted in on the FAQ thread.

Guardian article Good to read that the Pub was saved, we lost a great little pub with a public singing session years ago. We moved to 2 other venues - old folkies didn't drink enough in one, then the management of the second took paid bookings without telling us - then to someone's living room ...

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 29 Nov 21 - 11:57 AM

Here's the link for the article in the Guardian, the link maker cut this one short as well but at least I checked before posting:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/29/dublin-famous-music-pub-the-cobblestone-saved-from-developers-refused-planning-permission-hotel?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 29 Nov 21 - 09:09 AM

OK, that was a run of unfortunate link making. I try again:

Rte news : planning refused for Cobblestone area

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 29 Nov 21 - 08:24 AM

And ditto on RTE news

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 29 Nov 21 - 07:43 AM

Irish Times : planning for redevelopment refused

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Oct 21 - 05:36 PM

Billy Connolly giving a taste of what session in the Cobblestone is like.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_lFGCgS3dwU&feature=share

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: GUEST,Martin Ryan
Date: 11 Oct 21 - 10:52 AM

Quite apart from the many music sessions, at several levels, which The Cobblestone hosts, it’s been the venue for “The Night that Larry was Stretched” singing sessions for a number of years. Colloquially known as “The Larry”, this has introduced traditional singing to a younger generation than those, like myself, who frequent the venerable Goilin Singers Club! Indeed, the latter institution spent several years in the Cobblestone at one stage …

Regards

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 11 Oct 21 - 05:22 AM

Ditto to Steve’s post above.

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 11 Oct 21 - 05:04 AM

I don't doubt that Steve.

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Oct 21 - 04:52 AM

I know it was 15 years ago, a snapshot visit and that times may have changed, Peter, but when I was there, crowded though it was, the clientele were very respectful of the musicians.

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 11 Oct 21 - 04:44 AM

'possibly the most crowded room I’ve ever been in'

All other things aside, that is one of the reasons I have not undertaken the trip: I hate being in crowded pubs and playing music against the roar of drinkers is not something I enjoy. But YMMV and the Cobblestone should be shielded from whatt is now looming over it, it is an important part of the Dublin music world.

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 11 Oct 21 - 04:18 AM

This is terrible news. It’s not as easy as you might think to find a really traditional pub session in central Dublin, but we took the tram out and enjoyed a great evening in possibly the most crowded room I’ve ever been in. As we came away, though, I remember thinking that it was becoming hemmed in by soulless modern blocks, and wondered what the future might hold.
If you get the chance to go, it’s well worth the journey (any journey!).

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub, Dublin - threatened by developers
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Oct 21 - 06:31 PM

I went there in 2006 and played a set of tunes, solo, on my harmonica...I was hoping that I'd be joined...! It is a great place for our music.

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 10 Oct 21 - 03:19 PM

It's really a shame this is happening.

To be honest I have never been. I missed the opportunity to take in the place when I was asked to take the piper's chair for what turned out to be the final installment before the lockdowns of the concert series Na Piobairi Uilleann run there,'Session with the pipers', but decided against accepting the invitation. It would be a terrible loss if the venue were to be lost.

Subject: RE: Cobblestone pub
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 10 Oct 21 - 02:46 PM

There’s quite a long thread about it over on the session.org, a website dedicated to Irish Traditional Music (ITM). It’s definitely the place to go in Dublin to hear “pure drop” ITM, and get away from “Wild Rover” sessions!

Subject: Cobblestone pub
From: Thompson
Date: 10 Oct 21 - 02:28 PM

Sorry if this is already a thread - searched and couldn't see anything likely.
The Cobblestone pub is in danger; the developers who are Dublin's new lords are larding the city with giant hotels, and one of these is planned to gobble up the Cobblestone.
Folkies have been out demonstrating with music trying to save this haven of traditional music.
Irish Times: Cobblestone trad music pub: Hundreds protest plan for hotel