Subject: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Donuel Date: 27 Oct 21 - 05:49 PM Republican silence and Democratic non chalance allows for a continuous shooting war against; our Synagoges (In Mr.Rodgers neighnorhood), our Walmarts in Texas being riddled with bullets against Hispanics our Black Churchs in the South, attempted kidnap/murder of our Michigan Govenor. You would think even Republicans would want to dial it down. But they are silent or loudly provocative. The people involved in election counting are the latest recipient of death threats. There has not been a pushback to the shootings or the death threars. Alarm bell? What alarm bell. Now even school board members are getting death threats. Lives were lost at the Capitol insurrection. Now there are some alarmed voices but the connective tissue of social media is rotten to the core. Trying to hang Congress people was not enough to inspire pushback let alone awareness. Besides we are only in the brown shirt phase. A tragic incident has not yet happened to open eyes to the fascist threat. What will it be? I dunno but it will be sumptin. Or maybe you think its nuttin. |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Donuel Date: 27 Oct 21 - 08:04 PM Silence is what we get for having a National anthem celebrating our civil war/s. The battle of Fort Sumpter was kind of a draw. |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: meself Date: 27 Oct 21 - 08:16 PM ... uh ... from the War of 1812, if I'm not mistaken - but definitely from a war ...... |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Donuel Date: 27 Oct 21 - 09:29 PM I am wrong and meself is right. (?) I was thinking of Steven Foster and Fort Sumpter instead of Baltimore to compound my mistake. |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Mr Red Date: 28 Oct 21 - 01:22 PM From this side of the pond "yous have a ton of a problem" Trump in jail - a martyr Trump bankrupt - a martyr Trump dies - a martyr Trump killed - don't even think about it. |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Bill D Date: 28 Oct 21 - 07:20 PM No "P" In Sumter But the US is ripe only for a lot a chaos and constitutional conflicts. |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Bill D Date: 28 Oct 21 - 07:24 PM And Fort Sumter itself dates to 1812. It WAS the opening of the Civil War. |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: meself Date: 28 Oct 21 - 08:35 PM Wiki: "The lyrics come from the "Defence of Fort M'Henry",[2] a poem written on September 14, 1814". |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Rapparee Date: 28 Oct 21 - 09:14 PM There are several unappreciated things. For example, Democrats own guns as well as Republicans and know how to use them just as well. (There's a thing called the "Liberal Gun Club" over in Oregon.) There are a helluva lot of Americans saying, "A plague on both your houses!" Those who clamor the most for war and civil unrest have never experienced either, and have the least ideas how to go about it successfully. An awfully lot of those with bigmouths have already made themselves know to the police and FBI, and with them the organizations to which they belong. NOTHING on the Internet is in any way private! Post it on Twitter, Facebook, etc. and it's open the the world. |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Donuel Date: 29 Oct 21 - 12:01 AM A long time ago Congress minimized the Communist party by making it illegal. If there is a will to make Nazi Nationalists illegal it might help keep prison populations down. The problem is they identify as Republicans. |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Donuel Date: 29 Oct 21 - 12:21 AM We already have a viral bipartisan plague called Covid. My Aunt Emma belongs to the Hot Glue gun club. They make Christmas decorations and haven't killed anyone. |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Donuel Date: 29 Oct 21 - 09:45 AM Through early morning fog I see Visions of the things to be The pains that are waiting for me I realize that I can see That insurrection's painful It brings on many changes And I can take or leave it if I please I try to find a way to make All our little joys relate Without that ever-present hate But now I know that it's too late, and That insurrection's painful It brings on many changes And I can take or leave it if I please The game of life is hard to play I'm gonna lose it anyway The losing card I'll someday lay So this is all I have to say That insurrection's painful It brings on many changes And I can take or leave it if I please He said the way to win is cheat And lay it down before I'm beat And to another give my seat For that's the only painless feat That insurrection's painful It brings on many changes And I can take or leave it if I please The sword of time will pierce our skins It doesn't hurt when it begins But as it works its way on in The pain grows stronger watch it grin, but That insurrection's painful It brings on many changes And I can take or leave it if I please A brave man once requested me To answer questions that are key Is it to be or not to be And I replied 'Oh, why ask me?' That insurrection's painful It brings on many changes And I can take or leave it if I please 'cause insurrection's painful It brings on many changes And I can take or leave it if I please And you can do the same thing if you please |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Donuel Date: 29 Oct 21 - 06:00 PM Senator Cruz supports the Nazi salute on the floor of the US Senate saying it is protected free speech in the Constitution. This grass root to top level goverment Nazi representatives is not going away nor will it get swept away anytime soon. It is not someethimg that will be negotiated or wrangled over in the midst of sporadic chaos. Senator McCain warned 15 years ago regarding all the young men with nazi skin head tatoos coming into the military. If you are on the side of Democracies but remain silent you are probably afraid. That fear unfortunately is giving permission to a coming Nazi regieme you can't vote out of office. Its in your neighborhood if you dare look. |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Rapparee Date: 29 Oct 21 - 07:07 PM https://www.idahostatejournal.com/opinion/columns/calling-out-the-idaho-freedom-foundation/article_815e29ed-3366-5a07-b746-bfffe4a7d0e7.html#tncms-source=block-contextual-fallback Dude, I live in Idaho. |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Donuel Date: 30 Oct 21 - 12:59 AM I have never forgotten. Those squish NINO's don't know the half of it. Those 'nazis in name only' are all cock sucking jew faggots or so they say. |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Raggytash Date: 01 Nov 21 - 10:50 AM No you haven't Dave !! :-) |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 Nov 21 - 11:05 AM You bugger :-P |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Mrrzy Date: 03 Nov 21 - 09:27 AM They took over Virginia... |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Donuel Date: 03 Nov 21 - 06:40 PM Thats the normal off year trend. Even the normal old Southern strategy of institutionlized racism by a different name is present; like wellfare queens, no bussing, Jim Crow, States rights and now critical race theory - "don't let our white kids be taught they are inferior"- shout; Its the economy stupid. whisper; its race stupid. |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Donuel Date: 03 Nov 21 - 07:01 PM Republicans are not all evil, most will just become enablers by taking the path of least resistance and just go along to get along. Besides authoritarianism usually cements your position. In three years Republican laws that allows only Republicans to count the votes will change this country for generations. Oh you don't believe me? put a pin in it. |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Donuel Date: 03 Nov 21 - 09:33 PM On the other hand about 6 seats went to 1-6 'attendees' of the insurrection. The Loser of the Deleware Senate seat claims hundreds of thousand of fraudulent votes and wants the State Police to arrest Sen Koons and install herself. The question that is openly asked at Republican rallies is "When can we start shooting these vote thieves"? |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Ebbie Date: 04 Nov 21 - 12:14 AM Bill D - PM Date: 28 Oct 21 - 07:24 PM And Fort Sumter itself dates to 1812. It WAS the opening of the Civil War. ?? What am I missing? How can an event lead to another event 50 years later? |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Thompson Date: 06 Nov 21 - 07:04 AM I'm astonished by the news I hear of Minchin and Sinema. Surely there's some better way to provide jobs than coalmining? For instance training people in retrofitting, heat pump installation, solar PV panel installation? |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Bonzo3legs Date: 06 Nov 21 - 08:37 AM Heat pump installation ??? - no way would I have that. |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Donuel Date: 06 Nov 21 - 09:06 AM When a republican candidate loses its a fraud. When they win its a...? |
Subject: RE: BS: The US is ripe for a takeover? From: Thompson Date: 06 Nov 21 - 09:31 AM Why not, Bonzo? |
Subject: BS: Progress & US politics From: Donuel Date: 01 Dec 21 - 12:48 AM Instead of amplifying right wing fear and theatre of the mob, this thread should illuminate the good things that happen (or not) in US politics that improves our lives. Fear, shock or outrages are con games that are tiresome. There will still be fear that good things may not succeed but at least that is a good fear. That is not to say chronicaling the Trump insurrection plot and effects have dire importance but the good guys deserve credit for good works. Militias or cabals be damned like Brexit, Texit, insurrectionist or successionist politics embedded in our society by Putin - its all over rated. I would rather brag about fixing a pothole than complain. Who knows maybe thread drift will be about cats or about the coming Taiwan China war? Anyway here is a pocket for anything that feels like political odds and ends. All politics are local. Who said this first? |
Subject: RE: BS: Progress & US politics From: Donuel Date: 01 Dec 21 - 08:30 AM Once, the late Thomas P. "Tip" O'Neill, Jr., Speaker of the House of Representatives, told someone that, "All politics is local." This now has been repeated so often that it ought to be stitched on a sampler and hung on the wall of the common room at the Home for Aging Hacks. What's always been interesting to me is what the Tipster left unsaid. If all politics is local, then all government is local, too, and an attack on one level of government generally turns into an attack on them all. Right now, all government at every level is under attack by the forces of organized wealth and its goons. The faces of the assailants change according to circumstances. In some places, they are bankers and financiers. In some other places, they are the extraction extremists of the energy industries. In some other places, they wear uniforms. Now, in countries that already are dictatorships, this doesn't mean much, and in countries that are basically oligarchical kleptocracies, it means even less. But in democratic countries, allowing the forces of wealth to organize themselves within the institutions of self-government is to invite a deadly form of parasite into the body politic. Brexit happened supposedly because a bunch of bankers who organized themselves into a supra-government over the rest of Europe but chaos infected the entire process but with Russain interference and diversity hatred its a real mess imo. Ask a Brit and they see without Ireland labor votes they will never have a labor win again. The US is the largest and most diverse democracy on Earth and is obviously under attack from the inside steered by a rich bully.. If republican voting suppression we Democrats may never win an election again and its game over for democracy. So what is good about democracy now that it is on the chopping block? Build back better is for people who are not rich and hasn't happened on this scale since FDR. |
Subject: RE: BS: Progress & US politics From: Donuel Date: 01 Dec 21 - 09:37 AM With democracy under attack and the the backdrop presented above, all complicated by pandemic and climate change, a great upheaval is under way. Which way it goes is the question. Anyone who has had a close call and did something to save their own life know that some choices they make are virtually automatic. The coming choices are going to be more deliberate. Ironicly by not choosing you will have chosen fewer rights and authoritarian rule. It seems the Democratic party has amnesia to 'all politics is local'. You will likely be faced with local decisions. Republicans have mastered the local politics advice and has a current advantage as I see it. You may sometimes feel like a minority of one as I do but majority rule is too deeply ingrained in us which is an advantage of democracy over the rule by violence forces. -Springtime is coming- |
Subject: RE: BS: Progress & US politics From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Dec 21 - 09:37 AM Your analysis of brexit is dubious in the extreme. As for this: "Ask a Brit and they see without Ireland labor votes they will never have a labor win again." Ireland is a sovereign independent country which is not involved in our elections. So heaven knows where you got that from. |
Subject: RE: BS: Progress & US politics From: Donuel Date: 01 Dec 21 - 09:46 AM It would be good to hear that the labor vote has a great resurgence. |
Subject: RE: BS: US ripe for a takeover? Progress & Politics From: Thompson Date: 01 Dec 21 - 10:24 AM A different America… With a national health service, all medical treatment paid for through egalitarian taxes, all treatment and medicine free… The same for education, including free nutritious school meals and homework clubs… The same for housing, so that nobody is homeless (Finland is doing this)… No guns… Drugs treated as a health issue… Voting by proportional representation so small parties can have a part in government… When an industry is shut down, studies of the most useful replacement industry and retraining for those who lose their work… A country of negotiation, where people can happily leave their doors open and fear no evil… |
Subject: RE: BS: US ripe for a takeover? Progress & Politics From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Dec 21 - 01:16 PM We can all moan about our own countries and yearn about how to make things better (I'm just about to have a major moan about the UK government on the brexit thread, as it happens), but as this is about America, and as I see you've already mentioned guns, I'd add: Never again try to undermine a foreign government simply because its allies are not yours, or because you think they're a bit too socialist; Emasculate the pro-Israel lobby and stop unconditionally supporting the Israeli regime; Recognise that it's untenable that a country with 4% of the world's population should be producing 18% of its greenhouse gas emissions. (I could mention abortion, the death penalty and such stuff but I'll avoid the temptation of turning this into a litany) The US is indeed the world's largest democracy, which is good. Almost half of your voting electorate voted for a man who is your biggest threat to democracy. That is, in some regards, more worrying than that man himself. We have a very similar problem here. |
Subject: RE: BS: US ripe for a takeover? Progress & Politics From: Donuel Date: 01 Dec 21 - 02:28 PM I have decided that agrandizing the Trumpists and insurrectionist fear in any way is NOT something I want to be associated with. I resigned from the Trump thread and now this one. Starting the former progressive US politics thread had a motive to turn the temperature down. Events and Court decisions will nonetheless proceed. Each person will live with changes in their own time and place which is too often, months or years after I read the same tea leaves. In other words instead of what looked like a repetition to mods, I was actually taking a total change of direction. Things change in politics like 3 D chess on a swivel and shifting sand. This roller coaster is only at the highest point about now...hold on! |
Subject: RE: BS: US ripe for a takeover? Progress & Politics From: Donuel Date: 01 Dec 21 - 02:38 PM Talk about changes, Isreal aside, Steve actually sounds reasonable. |
Subject: RE: BS: US ripe for a takeover? Progress & Politics From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Dec 21 - 05:29 PM Don't patronise me, please. |
Subject: RE: BS: US ripe for a takeover? Progress & Politics From: Stilly River Sage Date: 04 Dec 21 - 10:17 AM The "dumbing down" effect is apparent all over. And there are places in our political life where a single individual can affect things for millions - look at the US Senate where a single (or two, if you're looking at the Democrats) senator can say, anonymously, that they oppose some bill and it automatically has to go to the 60 vote threshold. Or can't even be acted upon (cloture) until a whole bunch of other things happen. The filibuster was a tool of the slave states back in that day and the protest process has been streamlined to cut off most Democratic initiatives. But as long as a couple of the Democratic senators get the dollars they want from industries and rich individuals, they will all all of the good works possible. And at some point here education of the American public in the matter of Social Studies and Civics must be restored. |
Subject: RE: BS: US ripe for a takeover? Progress & Politics From: Donuel Date: 07 Dec 21 - 07:59 AM We hear many talking heads declare "I don't understand how people can believe the lies". I will answer them. There are two groups of 'true trumpism' believers. The naieve and the racists. Racists so traumatized by Obama in the oval office that they will join any ground swell that represents their historic white tribe supreamacy. The outspoken racists have been given license for their bile and the silent just point at BLM protests and gesture 'thats why'. After the 'crystal nacht' event at the capitol in the afternoon they feel even more emboldened. The plotters of the coup HAVE to hang together or they will certainly hang seperately. |
Subject: RE: BS: US ripe for a takeover? Progress & Politics From: Donuel Date: 09 Dec 21 - 05:37 PM I will be ascending to next in line to the British Throne. Just as likely is a Trumpist strategy to elect Donald to Speaker of the House in 2022. Then if 'anything happens' to the President and VP he becomes President and then still runs for President in 2024. Or so says Matt Gaetz. |
Subject: RE: BS: US ripe for a takeover? Progress & Politics From: Donuel Date: 09 Dec 21 - 09:05 PM Heinrich Luitpold Himmler was Reichsführer of the Schutzstaffel (Protection Squadron; SS), and a leading member of the Nazi Party ... Louis Gomert should be Czar of the SSS. (Shit Show Supervisors) and a leading member of the Trump Party. I do not wish to ever see the assasination transformation of the SSS. They seem to be the gang that couldn't shoot straight anyway. |