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Subject: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: keberoxu Date: 11 Jan 22 - 06:01 PM Looks as if the Novak Djokovic story will run and run. When one thing is overturned, the investigating will find something else. You get the feeling that certain participants in the whole saga don't care what is printed as long as the names are spelled right. In another year, the Australian Open would get on with tennis without these distractions, but not this year. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 11 Jan 22 - 06:35 PM There are some odd things going on here. He seems to have been less than frank about his foreign travels in the weeks before arriving in Oz, and that has a bearing on whether he should have been allowed in. Also, it puzzles me that he got his exemption because he had coronavirus in mid-December. Well lucky him! What if he hadn't caught it just then? As an unvaccinated person he would then have had to quarantine for two weeks after his arrival. Well he arrived on Jan 4. Wouldn't have left much practice time, eh? I'm probably missing something here... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: meself Date: 11 Jan 22 - 08:27 PM "as long as the names are spelled right" - well, given the names in question, that might be something of a challenge ...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 11 Jan 22 - 08:38 PM people & journalists are commenting on the pics showing him unmasked with children, & at events in other countries in the same period. Novak Djokovic needs one final green light from the government ... Serbia's Prime Minister Ana Brnabic has offered her government's assurances Djokovic will respect Australia's regulations if he is allowed to compete. It comes after it was alleged Djokovic attended a Belgrade Tennis Association event while not wearing a mask on December 17 — the day after he tested positive to COVID-19 for a second time. Ms Brnabic conceded this would have "clearly violated the rules" if the tennis champ had already received his positive result. Former men's world number one Andy Murray weighed in on the saga overnight, calling for Djokovic to explain his whereabouts in the days after his positive test, adding the drama had proved a distraction for other players ... Documents released by Federal Circuit Court revealed the tennis star stated in his Australian travel declaration form that he had not travelled in the 14 days before his flight to Melbourne. However, social media posts appear to show Djokovic both in Belgrade on December 25 and training in Spain on December 31 before his arrival in Australia on January 5, which would make the declaration inaccurate ... Politicians weigh in on Djokovic debate ... But views within the government are not unanimous. Liberal MP and chair of federal parliament's joint committee on law enforcement, Julian Simmonds, said the tennis star's visa should be cancelled again because he remains unvaccinated. "Certainly I would be in favour of the visa being cancelled … that would show Australians there is one rule for everybody and there isn't room for hypocrisy if you're a famous celebrity or sportsman," Mr Simmonds said ... 'cos as everyone knows film & sport stars & zillionaires have popped into & out of Australia over the course of the pandemic, Australian citizens are trapped overseas & can't get back, & other citizens can't leave or arrive to visit dying relatives ... sandra |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Jan 22 - 08:40 PM With a name like Novak Djokovic, it is easy to see it changed to "Novaxx" - and I hope that sticks. Entitlement is a real problem during this pandemic, and letting him get his way by playing both ends against each other sets a really horrible example. As quiet as tennis championship audiences are supposed to be, I'd be tempted to "boo" the guy during his appearances. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: JennieG Date: 11 Jan 22 - 09:25 PM Still, it already has been in Oz......several days ago. One politician who is a former tennis player has come firmly on the side of "let him play", but I suspect many ordinary Ozzies whose lives have been affected by the covid plague - and that would be all of us - are hoping, even at this almost eleventh hour, that he won't be allowed to play. I know people who have said they won't be spending their TV time watching him play, this year. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Jan 22 - 06:11 AM I can't understand how he can blame his agent for filling in a form incorrectly. I also can't understand how he'd attended various functions knowing that he'd tested positive. As with Boris Johnson and his partying, I detect more than a whiff of entitlement here. If I were king of Oz I'd declare him persona non grata and invite him to try again next year. Him and his bloody anti-vaxxing. This chap needs to be taken down a peg or two. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 12 Jan 22 - 07:57 AM Give him a fair hearing then deport his ass. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Bonzo3legs Date: 12 Jan 22 - 08:16 AM Who cares, that game of bat and ball is as pathetic as its ludicrous scoring system!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Jan 22 - 08:42 AM Give him a fair hearing then deport his ass." Heheh. That reminds me of an episode of Blackadder 4 in which General Melchett found Blackadder guilty of murdering his pigeon before the court martial... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Malcolm Storey Date: 12 Jan 22 - 08:54 AM He's broken the rules - kick him out! Ditto Boris. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Donuel Date: 12 Jan 22 - 09:53 AM Jockoitch plays outside in the sun that kills virus right? I say let him play aboard a Cruise ship offshore where all his fans can attend. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Malcolm Storey Date: 12 Jan 22 - 06:13 PM Fine idea that - but - who would want to play him in such a dodgy situation? Kick the bugger out! By the way Donny he's not Scottish. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Jan 22 - 07:23 PM Jock itch isn't Scottish either, Malcolm - it's very much a "down south" issue... I'll get me coat... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: keberoxu Date: 12 Jan 22 - 09:33 PM A feature article in the New Yorker. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 13 Jan 22 - 01:55 AM thanks, keb, that's an excellent article, with a lot of info I didn't know. here's the latest from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation - 1 hour ago |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: JennieG Date: 13 Jan 22 - 05:01 AM I may be wrong - been wrong before - but I am tipping Novax will be allowed to stay under strict conditions, i.e. hotel - tennis court - hotel. No socialising, no stopping along the way to sign autographs for doting fans. Leave Oz as soon as his last match is over, do not hang around, do not pass go, do not collect $100. Just get out. He has been drawn as top seed (lesser players are seedlings, it seems) and features prominently in TV ads for the tournament. I yell at the TV every time he appears. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 13 Jan 22 - 06:19 AM wasn't it John Dengate's dad who threw his slipper at the TV? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: JennieG Date: 14 Jan 22 - 06:25 PM Well, I was wrong. He is not allowed to stay. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Donuel Date: 14 Jan 22 - 06:43 PM What he taught the kids is that being a sneaky rule breaking lying son of a bitch is a terrible way to go. That should be his legacy foremost. Let France be the next to adjudicate his cavalier novax message. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 14 Jan 22 - 07:22 PM follow live (latest post 23 mins ago) As per the court hearing, Djokovic's lawyers have until noon to file their outline of submissions. Lawyers acting on behalf of the Immigration and Citizenship Minister will then have until 10:00pm to file their written response. In the meantime the court will also decide whether tomorrow's hearing will be before one or three judges. If the court chooses the latter, then the decision cannot be appealed to the full bench. Then it's all back in court from 9:30am tomorrow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Jan 22 - 07:58 PM The saying "cheaters never prosper" isn't true, but "cheaters shouldn't prosper" applies here. All he needs to do is get the vaccine, and maybe when it hits his pocketbook he'll finally change his mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 14 Jan 22 - 08:09 PM other folks, including some of his tennis colleagues have also suggested getting vaccinated. latest from washington post ... While there is widespread anger over the arrival of the vaccine skeptic in a highly inoculated country that is enduring a severe spike in coronavirus infections, there is also frustration over the actions of Australian border agents, tournament officials and the government itself ... Weighing the risk Novak Djokovic poses isn’t quite so simple, said Catherine Bennett, an epidemiologist at Deakin University in Melbourne. “The protection from infection isn’t that different in someone who’s had a recent infection and someone who’s vaccinated,” she said, noting that it was unclear what variant was to blame for Djokovic’s positive test in December. At the same time, Djokovic’s disputed medical exemption cuts against the spirit of exceptions, which are designed to help people whose vaccinations are disrupted by infections, not people who have shown no interest in getting inoculated, Bennett said. Djokovic’s admission that he broke Serbia’s isolation rules and provided Australian authorities with inaccurate travel information could be viewed as adding to the health risk he poses, Bennett added. “That’s the concern, that it’s not just one thing, it’s a multitude of things,” she said. “And that gets harder and harder for people to say, ‘Oh, well, we’ll just make an exception because he’s a good player.’ ” Frustration with Djokovic is particularly acute in Melbourne, a city that loves its tennis tournament but has borne the brunt of Australia’s pandemic, including harsh lockdowns. “Then you throw in Djokovic, who was not exactly beloved to begin with and who has been a bit dodgy when it comes to covid,” said O’Reily, “and you couldn’t have scripted a more perfect storm to get people angry" ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Hrothgar Date: 15 Jan 22 - 03:21 AM Simple rule - not double vaccinated, no entry. How did the politicians (including those in Tennis Australia) make it so complicated? Boot him out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Malcolm Storey Date: 15 Jan 22 - 06:23 PM Has he not gone yet? Stilly - a recent report has Andy Murray (remember him?)as being worth £100 million. So how much is Djokovic worth and how much damage will being thrown out of Australia do to his "pocketbook"? Kick him out and ban him from future entry - he's taking the piss as your average Aussie might say. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 15 Jan 22 - 08:04 PM the latest from The Guardian - quote from his lawyers - Irrational' for minister not to consider anti-vax consequences of Djokovic deportation. Wood is developing the argument that the minister should have considered the consequences of deporting Djokovic on anti-vaccination sentiment. latest from ABC - 6 mins ago - Lawyer says BBC article on Djokovic's views supports Minister's case. Mr Lloyd says the Minister obviously read the BBC article that Djokovic’s lawyers have used to argue there was a lack of evidence to cancel the visa. He also points to a line in the story that says anti-vaccine groups have treated Djokovic as a “hero or as an icon of free choice”. He says that's something that formed part of the Minister's considerations. Both articles have live updates one of my favourite quotes from earlier discussion answered the question "What else could he have done?" ans. Get vaccinated. sandra - my new signature (masked, socially distanced, sanitised, double vaxxed, & awaiting booster shot this week) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: JennieG Date: 15 Jan 22 - 08:59 PM Meanwhile I am just going about my day....about to have lunch, and not tuning into the livestream which apparently has some of the world agog. Just because someone is a 'celebrity' who kicks, hits or throws a ball around doesn't make them someone we should take notice of. (of whom we should ake notice?) He may be a hero in his own country, but to the average non-tennis playing Ozzie he's someone who should not have been allowed into ours. Or anyone else's. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 15 Jan 22 - 09:59 PM well said, Jennie a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10406615/OLIVER-HOLT-look-Djokovic-dont-worlds-best-player-dangerous-fool.h"> OLIVER HOLT: Sorry if I am emotional about this because my father died of Covid ... but when I look at Novak Djokovic, I don't see the best player in the world - I see a dangerous fool |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 16 Jan 22 - 03:32 AM i hour ago on the ABC link above - As Chief Justice James Allsop outlined before announcing the decision, the court's job was simply to consider whether the decision made by Immigration Minister Alex Hawke was unlawful, irrational or legally unreasonable. The court found the grounds outlined by Novak Djokovic's lawyers failed to demonstrate that. It means the decision made by the Immigration Minister Alex Hawke to cancel his visa stands. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: OldPossum Date: 16 Jan 22 - 03:39 AM There is food for thought in this article from The Telegraph |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Hrothgar Date: 16 Jan 22 - 04:24 AM Nice to know that this government can do something right, but why did it have to be so hard. Possibly another separate point - if there are loads of Australians still overseas, double vaccinated and all, who can't get home, why are we letting any foreigners in at all? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 16 Jan 22 - 05:30 AM Imagine if Australia applied its new no-dickhead policy on Novak Djokovic to government troublemakers If being anti-science and an all-round jerk is grounds for the government to push the button, perhaps we can look forward to more action domestically ... He won’t be missed by most, with the tennis world’s most unsympathetic protagonist doing little for his cause by confirming he defied health advice for a photo opportunity after testing positive to Covid, and then incorrectly filled in his immigration paperwork ... But if being arrogant, anti-science and an all-round jerk is grounds for the government to push the button on its extraordinary deportation powers, then perhaps we can look forward to the government doing more about similar characters domestically. Has Alex Hawke chewed the fat with Alex Antic or George Christensen in the Coalition party room lately? They make Djokovic look like a veritable quiet Australian, what with their calls for civil unrest, and suggestions state health departments are involved in grand cover-up conspiracies. (read on!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open w/, w/out Djokovic From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 16 Jan 22 - 07:45 PM Well, they got it right in the end. Congratulatians, Australia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open with out Djokovic From: JennieG Date: 17 Jan 22 - 12:03 AM This article lays it all out from a sensible viewpoint. It will be interesting to see if Novax is allowed to compete in Paris. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open with out Djokovic From: Mr Red Date: 17 Jan 22 - 03:05 AM Rules is rules. What is the loss of one huge payday to an already filthy rich individual compared to the need to curb a pandemic that is filling hospitals and killing people? Yes he earned his millions but he don't need more. This is a case of luv, lost - IMNSHO. What is next? More lenience on line calls? OK give him the points, he is a champ, and champs don't send balls out do they? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open with out Djokovic From: Donuel Date: 17 Jan 22 - 11:19 AM There is always someone who feels deserving of a special exemption to the human race, or science or respondsibility. His career is as injured as ACL injuries to both knees. Its his own fault. The 'Archduke' of Serbia is really steamed over Australia's decision. Jockitch will face a like minded France but he has Trump friends in America like DeSantis, Ted Cruz and a cast of thousands soon to be hospitalized. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: keberoxu Date: 18 Jan 22 - 07:40 PM Now Chris Evert and John McEnroe are getting into the (debate) act. Newsweek, 17 January 2022 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 18 Jan 22 - 07:58 PM Chris Evert is seriously ill with ovarian cancer. Nowt to do with it, I know, but possibly worth mentioning. Good luck to her. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Malcolm Storey Date: 18 Jan 22 - 08:31 PM why did it have to be so hard? someone asks Because there were the usual greedy grasping lawyers involved! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Nigel Parsons Date: 19 Jan 22 - 06:53 AM Djokovic seems to be trending on humour sites on FaceBook: Novak Djokovic, first sportsman to be banned for not taking drugs. Novak Djokovic appointed as trainer to England Cricket team. No history in the sport, but it took the Aussies two weeks to get him out ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 19 Jan 22 - 08:36 AM Novax did set one record, he's the first player to be knocked out of a grand slam tournament after missing only 2 shots. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Tattie Bogle Date: 20 Jan 22 - 04:50 PM He had a whole year in which he could have been vaccinated, double or triple, so the late December infection (and the earlier one) are hardly surprising. He was lucky not to end up on a ventilator somewhere. Which all makes him think that he’s immortal but he doesn’t take into account the risk to other players, officials or anyone else he meets and the risk of his passing the virus to others. Well done Australia! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Donuel Date: 23 Jan 22 - 08:49 AM dJokanovax, had the freedom to expose a hundred kids while dripping with Covid at the time. He had the common Sense to actually do it. That he does not have the freedom to enter a number of countries is an assault on his freedom and common sense. He can shove his freedom and common sense up his sinus. He will always have the freedom to transmit disease someplace to his heart's content without fear of execution. Afterall we are not the heartless ones. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 28 Jan 22 - 08:53 AM Oh dear, No-vaccs. Looks like, ahem, *somebody* got your test results, er, out of sync, in a way that would have benefited you... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 28 Jan 22 - 04:45 PM New evidence suggests Novak Djokovic’s ‘positive test’ to enter Australia doesn’t add up A BBC report has thrown fresh doubt on the positive Covid test Novak Djokovic used to try and enter Australia to play in the Australian Open ... Djokovic supposedly tested positive on December 16 - after which he admitted to going out in public and attending a photo shoot - before testing negative on December 22. But the confirmation code on the negative test (7320919) was lower than the code on the positive test (7371999), suggesting Djokovic did not test positive when he said he did ... But after examining 56 Serbian PCR test certificates, the BBC analysed the codes and found that they all went in chronological order as expected - except for Djokovic’s positive test ... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 28 Jan 22 - 05:22 PM Djokovic has won 86 ATP singles titles, including a joint record 20 Grand Slam singles titles (tied with Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal), five ATP Finals titles, and a record 37 ATP Masters titles. He is the only male player to have won all nine of the Masters tournaments, and has done so twice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 28 Jan 22 - 05:43 PM And it appears that he could be a cheat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Neil D Date: 28 Jan 22 - 08:10 PM At least the ball kids will be that much safer without the Joker around. Remember when he smacked one in the eye with a ball during a hissy fit last year. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 29 Jan 22 - 01:53 AM I think there is an exaggeration of his importance on this thread,as for smacking a child in the eye that was an accident and certainly he is not the only tennis player to throw a hissy fit. What i see on this thread is a lot of negativity, some puerile comments [novax]a lot of intolerance to other peoples views. in a years time people will be wondering what all the fuss was about, there will be a new tennis champion, the australian tennis federation will have made a lot of money, the politicians will still be posturing the whole thing is a stoRm in a teacup, blown up out of all proportion by the media. THIS ISSUE IS OP LITTLE IMPORTANCE meanwhile children are starving in Afghanistan, OWING to westen meddling in the middle east |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Jan 22 - 05:20 AM Sorry, Dick, but he is a famous and influential public figure who is also an anti-vaxxer. We don't need people like that around. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 29 Jan 22 - 09:11 AM He is a respected tennis player who has given pleasure to many. We do not yet live in a totalitarian world, you speak for yourself wnen you use the word "we" I have been vaccinated, but have no problem with a small minority of people who do not wish to be vaccinated, I have no problem with jehovahs witnesses who refuse to give blood, its called tolerance, something that has not been shown by you on this thread. "we dont need people like that around" quote, It reminds me of a lot of Dictators, who decide to liquidate people who have different opinions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 29 Jan 22 - 09:21 AM He is a top sportsman he will be around for a while yet so you had better get used to it |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 29 Jan 22 - 10:04 AM Even before the pandemic I never considered him a "top sportsman". He's probably the best male tennis player in the world right now but he's also surly and arrogant with a robotic game that I find uninteresting. Nadal can move ahead of him and become the all-time grand slam leader with a victory at the Aussie tomorrow but at least Novaxx has his integrity (yeah, right). Ash Barty closed out Danielle Collins (a 27th seed) in a hard fought match for the women's title. Nice to see a youngster with a one-handed backhand, maybe the most beautiful stroke in tennis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 29 Jan 22 - 12:28 PM Gillymor it is not about liking him or not liking him it is about what he has achieved and the pleasure he has given to many., he is one of the top tennis players ever, and a good sportsman, when this has blown over in a few months time, it will be another forgotten storm in a tea cup, meanwhile thousands of shellfish have been washed up dead in the uk bonzo you like dogs and do not like tennis, so what, who cares |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 29 Jan 22 - 01:08 PM Sandman, I disagree, anyone who tries to enter a country unvaccinated and under false pretenses during a global pandemic in order to play in a tournament, thereby endangering the health of everyone he comes in contact with, is not a good sportsman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 29 Jan 22 - 02:25 PM pretences not pretenses. get a sense of proprtion Russia and the uk are threatening to go to war over the ukraine, thousands of children are dying in afghanistan and you are being negative about a sportsman[that is his profession] whose achievements include, 86 ATP singles titles, including a joint record 20 Grand Slam singles titles (tied with Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal), five ATP Finals titles, and a record 37 ATP Masters titles. He is the only male player to have won all nine of the Masters tournaments, and has done so twice whether you think he is sprting or not does not interest me , he has achieved all those titles you and your negativity cannot take that away from him, you dislike him because he is unvaccinated ,how about a bit of tolerance for other peoples beliefs, the pandemic seems to be on the wane just let it go,there are other more important issues with us, time to move on |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Jan 22 - 02:30 PM We don't like him because he appears to be a cheat who feels entitled, Dick. And I happen to agree with gillymor about his game. Rafa is a warmer and more colourful personality, a far better ambassador for tennis in m'humble. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 29 Jan 22 - 03:34 PM Pretense is perfectly acceptable in my neck of the woods, Sandman, but reading your post I find I've been misspelling "sprting" my whole life. Thanks. If people want to shun the vaccination that's their business, if they want to go out and spread their germs at large public gatherings, e.g. tennis tournaments, that's everybody's business. Btw, if success on the court is the measure, then McEnroe, Connors, Nastase, Serena and the like are all stellar examples of good sportsmanship. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 29 Jan 22 - 03:46 PM I might not have watched that much tennis in my life, but I would ALWAYS tune in to a match with Jimmy Connors or Andre Agassi in it! If there's one sport that needs colourful characters as opposed to automatons, it's tennis! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 29 Jan 22 - 03:54 PM I enjoyed watching those guys too but my point was that success on the court doesn't equate to good sportsmanship as Sandman seems to be asserting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 30 Jan 22 - 04:07 AM I was asserting that his sporting achievements have been immense, you decided to interpret the words sportsman as regards behaviour on court I was talking about what he has achieved. He is not a cheat, he has won his trophies fairly. PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD ARE USING DJOKOVIC AS AN AUNT SALLY FOR THEIR HATRED OF NON VACCERS, Absolutely negative and full of hate , just what the establishment want divide and rule" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 30 Jan 22 - 04:14 AM He tried to cheat his way into Australia and the Open and got shot down. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Manitas_at_home Date: 30 Jan 22 - 04:14 AM Don't you think it's cheating to lie on an application form, whether for entry to a tournament, or for for a visa in order to attend that tournament? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 30 Jan 22 - 06:30 AM You're not his uncle, are you, Dick? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 30 Jan 22 - 12:38 PM All that i am are of is that he has won numerous tennis titles, which he did not cheat to win. he has achieved much more as a sports perfomer than most of you ever will. he is entitled to his opinions, it is not mandatory to be vaccinated I have not been sufficently intersted to know OR BE AWARE about his application form.Iknew he was sent back from Australia, but it was not of much interst to me beyond that and quite frankly i think you are giving this too much importance I think there are more important political things of interst than Djokovic. what does interst me and saddens me is the amount of venom shown on this thread to someone you do not even know, a sad reflection on some of the contributors to this forum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 30 Jan 22 - 01:00 PM So I now have looked at an update of the situation, he has never cheated at tennis to win all those titles.he is not a cheat here is a quote ABC News Homepage Latest updates Vaccine tracker Ask a question Federal Court releases reasons for Novak Djokovic visa decision By Amy Bainbridge and Kate Ashton Posted Thu 20 Jan 2022 at 5:52am Thursday 20 Jan 2022 at 5:52am , updated Thu 20 Jan 2022 at 10:43am Thursday 20 Jan 2022 at 10:43am Two men walking, while wearing masks. man on the left looking down at his phone. Novak Djokovic was deported on Sunday night after the court's ruling upheld a government decision to cancel his visa.(Reuters: Loren Elliott) Share this article The Federal Court has revealed the reasons why it rejected tennis star Novak Djokovic's challenge against the federal government's decision to cancel his visa. Key points: Novak Djokovic was deported from Australia late on Sunday after he failed in a bid to have the visa cancellation overturned The three judges say they did not consider the merits or wisdom of the minister's decision to cancel Djokovic's visa, only whether or not it was lawful Humans Rights Lawyer Maria O'Sullivan says the finding is justifiable but questions the impact of the ruling on the right to protest In a unanimous decision, Chief Justice James Allsop, Justice Anthony Besanko and Justice David O'Callaghan said Immigration Minister Alex Hawke's decision to cancel Djokovic's visa was not irrational or illogical. The three judges found it was not irrational for the Mr Hawke to be concerned that the support of anti-vaccination groups for Djokovic may encourage protests and further community transmission. The judges said they did not consider the merits or wisdom of the minister's decision, only whether or not it was lawful. The world number one men's tennis player was deported from Australia late on Sunday after he failed in a bid to have the visa cancellation overturned. The full bench of the Federal Court unanimously agreed to dismiss Djokovic's application on Sunday before he was due to play in the Australian Open on Monday." it seems to me that there are one or two members of this forum, who purport to be of the left but who would make good supporters of totalitarian regimes, there seems to be an intersting psychological phenomenon here, a displacement of hatred for anti vaxxers which is placed on to Djokvic. Be careful you do not make a martyr of him |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Allan Conn Date: 30 Jan 22 - 02:14 PM His sporting achievements have been immense but that doesn't mean he should have special disposition re covid rules. The Aussies seem to have handled it badly but likewise seemingly so has he. Re the cheating idea of course he has won on his ability but he has also been at least accused of oneupmanship in the past by feigning injuries on court when he's been in trouble. Fair or not it was an impression we have had in our household too. Immense game today though. Nadal came back from two sets down to win a thriller. The Spaniard will always be a big threat in his favourite French Open. That could potentially leave Novak needing three more wins to break the record. It is his own fault IMHO that he wasn't there to challenge in Melbourne. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 30 Jan 22 - 04:31 PM look i do not care a fart, i have enjoyed his playing, as i have enjoyed many others, the whole thing is of little importance compared to many other events happening, today is the 50th anniversary of bloody sunday, just S off with this inconsequential piffle, HE WAS A FINE TENNIS PLAYER, so is nadal federer medvedev, barty collins etc, but the australian tennis is not very important. you are making him more important than he is, he is an excellent tennis player,so was Rod Laver, IF THE ESTABLISHMENT wants to make him a martyr for the anti vaccers,and an aunt sally for the like of steve shaw they are doing it well. people character flaws dont interest me , i will remember him for his skills, try being charitable and positive |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 30 Jan 22 - 04:37 PM "...and an aunt sally for the like of steve shaw...." What means this? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 31 Jan 22 - 12:51 AM so some excellent tennis was played without Djokovi MEANWHILE not a single PERMANENT hospital was built in the UK. I see on this thread, Djokovic being set up as A hate figure an "AuntSally" for some vaccinated people to take out their dislike of anti vaxxers. Dictionary Aunt Sally noun: Aunt Sally a game played in some parts of Britain in which players throw sticks or balls at a wooden dummy. a dummy used in the game of Aunt Sally. plural noun: Aunt Sallies a person or thing set up as an easy target for criticism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 31 Jan 22 - 01:11 AM I have more respect for Dolly Parton as a person than Djokovic, but that does not mean i like her music, neither does it mean that i think Djokovic should become some sort of hate figure or that his tennis skills should be demeaned or that i have to listen to drivel about sportsmanship there have been much worse sportspeople than Djkovic eg John McEnroe Ilie Nastase JIMMY CONNORS, my advice is stop wasting your time on THIS Negativity Last year, Parton donated $1 million to coronavirus research, some of which was used in the Moderna vaccine's development. Parton found out her ... the best thing Djokovic could do now would be to donate 1 million Towards building a new hospital |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 31 Jan 22 - 01:44 AM just found this. Novak Djokovic has fought back to reinvigorate his public reputation in the ongoing legal battle with Australian authorities, revealing he has given $1 million to the Australian Open junior tennis program and a spate of multimillion dollar Covid-19 related donations.14 Jan 2022 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 31 Jan 22 - 06:53 AM Novaxx should set aside something for his legal defense as he's facing criminal charges in both Australia and Serbia for separate violations and could be facing prison time, though he'll probably buy his way out of it as the wealthy often do. And Sandman, you sure are spending a lot of time discussing a subject that you've characterized, loudly, as an "ISSUE IS OP (sic) LITTLE IMPORTANCE ". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 31 Jan 22 - 07:14 AM And it was nice to see Nadal go ahead in the Grand Slam title race, though I am a Federer fan. He showed a lot of heart battling back after dropping the first two sets and looked like the old Rafa, before all the nagging injuries set in in recent years. That forehand is still one of the most lethal weapons in tennis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: keberoxu Date: 26 Aug 22 - 04:58 AM . . . and now, the US Open is happening without Djokovic. (unvaccinated) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 26 Aug 22 - 04:47 PM Instead of his look-up-and-give-out gestures whenever he wins a match (obviously very often as he is very good), I wish he'd repatriate to Serbia & give back via tax. That said, I like fair competition and am sorry he can't compete at the U.S. Open because, despite what they may say, I'm sure who of the big 3 ends up with the most majors does mean a lot to them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Aug 22 - 04:51 PM Not that much. He scoffs at the US laws, he doesn't come play tennis. Simple. Let someone else shine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 26 Aug 22 - 05:05 PM Not sure what his reasons are but if he could have got jabbed, he should have - duty of care to others (especially those older than him). And it's good that Australia & the U.S. have stood their ground with equal treatment (doesn't always happen with celebrities, of course). But, as I say, as a sports fan, I'm still sorry he's not competing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 26 Aug 22 - 05:13 PM stilly, i disagree with you strongly, this is just silly, the danger of covid is over now, he is being made an example of, the competition will be weaker without him welcome to the land of the free, a country where people go around shooting others willy nilly, but women cannot have an abortion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Aug 22 - 05:20 PM The danger of COVID is NOT OVER. Guns and abortions are separate topics, and not needed on a tennis topic. Djokovic knows the rules. (Edited - You cross posted with WAV who is a source of continual irritation.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: michaelr Date: 26 Aug 22 - 06:56 PM He shall be known as Novax Djocovid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 Aug 22 - 07:45 PM I fully expect to either stick to the rules of any country I want to visit, or to not go to that country if I can't. I might not agree with the rules, but there again I don't agree with lots of rules I have to abide by in my own country. As far as I'm concerned, this bloke is just a big girl's blouse, a prima donna. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 26 Aug 22 - 07:47 PM By the way, if I thought that the danger of covid was over I wouldn't be agitating for my next booster. But I'm agitating for my next booster. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Aug 22 - 09:15 PM The staff member I work with each week at a local museum (I volunteer) has been home sick with COVID since early last week. His wife caught it from him. This thing gets perilously close again and again. I'm getting my flu shot next week so I'll have that out of the way when, after mid-September, the COVID vaccine makes it to the pharmacy. And if he's being made an example of it's his own damned fault. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 27 Aug 22 - 03:54 AM At least this time he didn't try to weasel his way into the country and the tournament as he did at the Aussie. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 27 Aug 22 - 04:12 AM what does it achieve by preventing him from playing? It is generally considered that the virus has weakened in its severity. he is being made an example o because the american government do not want a tennis star influencing people to not take a vaccination. yet have they not relaxed the rules on mask wearing, this would indicate that the usa government, either believe in herd immunity or the virus is weakening in its severity below are examples. California California allowed its universal indoor mask mandate to expire on Feb. 15 and stopped requiring masks in schools on March 11. The state also lifted its remaining indoor mask mandate for unvaccinated people in public settings on March 1. Connecticut A mask edict covering students and staff in the state’s schools was lifted Feb. 28. School districts can still opt to keep their mandates in place. Delaware The state’s masking rule for businesses and workplaces expired on Feb. 11. The one for schools expired on March 1. Hawaii An indoor mask mandate, the final statewide masking rule in place, ended on March 25. Illinois The state’s mask requirement for schools ended on Feb. 28. A statewide indoor mask indoor mask mandate was lifted on the same day. Maryland Maryland’s mask mandate for state office buildings ended on Feb. 22. A Maryland legislative committee approved the state board of education’s decision to allow all 24 local school districts to decide whether to require face coverings in schools on Feb. 25. The decision, effective immediately, ended an emergency order mandating mask-wearing in schools. Massachusetts The statewide school mask mandate expired on Feb. 28. Nevada The state lifted its statewide mask mandate on Feb. 10. New Jersey New Jersey stopped requiring students and school employees to wear masks on March 7. New Mexico The state lifted its indoor mask mandate, including for schools, on Feb. 17. New York New York’s stringent mask-or-vaccine mandate, which required businesses to demand proof of full vaccination or mask-wearing at all times in indoor public spaces, expired on Feb. 10, while the state’s school mask mandate ended on March 2. As of March 7, students in New York City no longer have to wear masks indoors at public schools. Oregon Oregon lifted its mask mandate for indoor public spaces, including schools, on March 12. Pennsylvania A mask requirement for K-12 students ended on Jan. 17. Puerto Rico Pedro R. Pierluisi, the governor of Puerto Rico, announced that starting on March 10, masks would no longer be required in most outdoor or indoor venues, including schools. Rhode Island An indoor mask mandate ended on Feb. 11. Virginia A new law enacted on Feb. 16 effectively barred mask mandates in schools, by giving parents the right to exempt their children from mask-wearing without stating a reason beginning March 1. An executive order to the same effect, issued by the governor in January, was blocked in the courts. Washington A statewide mask requirement for various indoor settings, including schools, was lifted on March 12. The state’s outdoor mask mandate expired on Feb. 18. Washington, D.C. The city’s indoor mask mandate ended on March 1. sorce new york times |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Aug 22 - 04:24 AM He's preventing himself from playing. And what has been achieved is a strengthening of the principle that everyone should get treated the same as everyone else, that no-one is above the rules. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Backwoodsman Date: 27 Aug 22 - 04:45 AM I don’t understand how he’s capable of playing tennis with his head so far up his own arse-hole. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 27 Aug 22 - 05:19 AM ...a big ask, BW, but I played A-grade juniors (for Bill Gilmour's - the same tennis school as Tod Woodbridge) with a club-foot; and Kiwi Onny Parun wore a string around his neck and would bite it in his mouth while he served to protect a bad neck. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Aug 22 - 07:45 AM And countries are entitled to make their rules. There are lots of rules/laws I don't agree with, but that is not a reason for me to expect to be able to break them with impunity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Nigel Parsons Date: 27 Aug 22 - 07:55 AM World Science Fiction convention coming up this week in Chicago. The hotel/conference centre does not insist on masks, but the convention does because there will be 'at risk' attendees, and it is the responsibility of all to protect each other. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Aug 22 - 11:13 AM Djokovic is a non-story anyway. This Open is all about Serena and her retirement later in the year. No one cares if an entitled European player can't get here because he doesn't follow the rules. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 27 Aug 22 - 03:28 PM Maggie, i care , i enjoy watching him play. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 27 Aug 22 - 04:16 PM Incidences of bullying, an inability to lose gracefully and her general poor sportsmanship are what I'll remember most about her career. She's probably the greatest women's singles player of all time but I found her power baseline style of play uninteresting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 27 Aug 22 - 04:46 PM the greatest, come off it, have you forgotten, bille jean king or martina navratilova margaret court |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: gillymor Date: 27 Aug 22 - 04:50 PM All great but I'd put Steffi Graf well ahead of those 3 and maybe right up there with Serena. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Aug 22 - 05:57 PM Now here is an important tennis story. It might just save lives. For the six months after her surgery, Evert underwent chemotherapy, with the nausea and “cruddy” feeling, as she described it, forcing her away from her beloved tennis courts — but only for five days at a time. Then, she was back to work, traveling with the United States Tennis Association Foundation, and on the court, lending her expertise to kids for three more weeks until she went back for her next treatment, and the cycle resumed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 28 Aug 22 - 02:10 AM greatness is normally defined by titles won , serena williams is well down the list ,compared to king navratilova and others. next, the standard of womens tennis is not as high as mens tennis williams is therefore not as good / great as a tennis player as federer nadal djokovic. williams is a jehovahs witness ,a religion who have principles about not giving blood , does anyone on this forum criticise her for her principles? yet the same tolerance is not shown to djokovic |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Manitas_at_home Date: 28 Aug 22 - 04:07 AM Her principles won't give anyone a nasty disease. There's still the principle of playing by the rules- if you don't want to play by the rules then play somewhere else. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Backwoodsman Date: 28 Aug 22 - 04:43 AM Jehovah’s Wotnesses are not excluded from eligibility. Selfish, arrogant twats who refuse to obey the rules of the competition are. END. OF. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 28 Aug 22 - 07:44 AM the disease is now considerably lessened in its effects on most people, in my opinion since most american states have relaxed their rules this is now unnecessary. he is a very good tennis player and his exclusion makes the tournasment less competitive , whether people think he is a twat is irrelevant ,i think jehovahs witnesses are twats, being a twat is neither here nor there, whats all this crap about obeying rules. he realises that and has wished other players all the best,you are being very negative he does not need the money but the tennis competition would be better sport with him, he is arguably one of the best players in the world and is a better player than Williams. and i agree with walkabout, his comment did not warrant deletion |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 28 Aug 22 - 07:52 AM Rafael Nadal described Novak Djokovic's absence from the US Open as "very sad news", while world No 1 Daniil Medvedev said he wished the Serbian "would play here". quote sky sports |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Aug 22 - 09:50 AM "In your opinion" but that doesn't matter a jot here to the CDC and others. COVID is still here, still making people sick for weeks at a time. Every time I hear about another case in someone close I realized I dodged another bullet. Djokovic knows the rules. He follows them when he plays the game of tennis; if he wants to play tennis here there is one more rule to follow. That's as clear as we can make it. I'm sorry this makes you unhappy Dick. Perhaps there is a different tennis match in Europe you can watch instead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Nigel Parsons Date: 28 Aug 22 - 11:04 AM williams is a jehovahs witness,a religion who have principles about not giving blood As I understand it (and I cannot find anything to the contrary), Jehovah's Witnesses do not have a principle about "not giving blood". Their religion prevents them receiving a blood transfusion, but does not prevent donation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Backwoodsman Date: 28 Aug 22 - 11:55 AM I think you’re correct, Nigel. And whilst they do not accept transfusions of whole blood, many JWs do accept the transfusion of derivatives of blood components. The issue of JWs and transfusion is far from being the simple matter some people appear to think it is… https://www.transfusionguidelines.org/transfusion-handbook/12-management-of-patients-who-do-not-accept-transfusion/12-2-jehovah-s-witnesses-and-blood-transfusion |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 28 Aug 22 - 12:43 PM Well lessee. Dick doesn't like Jehovah's Witnesses (I don't care for their beliefs, but the one JW who calls at my house every few months is a very nice man with whom I have pleasant chats - he knows he can't convert me - and I take and read his pamphlets and I give him some apples in the autumn). I also don't care for the beliefs of people who mutilate the penises of little boys or who force women to cover themselves up, or who try to forbid the ordination of women, sex education and contraception. I know many such people and get along with most of them to a large degree. Why, I've even been known to talk to Manchester United fans. Generally speaking, they operate within the laws of where they live, whether or not I like those laws. The law sez Novak can play tennis in the US as long as he has a vacccination that billions have had, almost without adverse consequence beyond an achey arm for a day or two. He doesn't want to comply. Too bad. A tiny prick in the shoulder that after half an hour he'd think nothing more of. Maybe he doesn't actually WANT to play in the Open... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Backwoodsman Date: 28 Aug 22 - 01:54 PM When I was first married, back in the early ‘70s, our neighbours were JWs, and they were a very nice couple indeed - they never attempted to get us in conversation about their religion, never tried to give us copies of ‘Watchtower’, were always very friendly and considerate, and in fact were perfect neighbours, probably the best we ever had. The husband (I forget both their names, fifty years on!) was a joiner for the local council, and he turned up at our door one day with a beautiful kennel on legs which he’d made for our cats to take shelter in when we were out - no charge, and he refused the money I offered him. I very much dislike the JW organisation, and I disagree with their beliefs and principles, but I have no particular bone to pick with them as individuals. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Aug 22 - 02:44 PM So is this a round of tu quoque? If Djokovic won't get the vaccine then you'll complain about a current player because of her religion? As if they're comparable issues? Her religion didn't get her banned from the game. It is irrelevant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 28 Aug 22 - 03:26 PM We are simply trying to put a misguided person right, Maggie. I think we are saying that the character of a person is far more important than their religious or other convictions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Aug 22 - 03:45 PM My remark was aimed at that same party, Steve. He's into the apples and oranges big time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: The Sandman Date: 28 Aug 22 - 05:25 PM try a little tolerance , you lot are really intolerant i do not agree with djokovic position , i have been vaccinated, but keeping this ban going when many states are lifting restrictions is just making the us open a less competitive tournament . is he going to be banned for life? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 28 Aug 22 - 06:13 PM He's banned just the same as anyone else is banned, from the dustbinman to the mighty prince. Get the jab and he's unbanned. Not banned for life unless the US keeps its rule in place for the next fifty or sixty years, which it won't. Stop talking daft, Dick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Aug 22 - 08:58 PM Taking the thread off topic isn't helpful, so a whole bunch of bickering and unrelated ("whataboutism") stuff is gone. Official Site of the US Open Find something on topic at the US Open website. Did I ever mention to some of you that I had to work at the US Open for a couple of days, way back when? I was an Urban Park Ranger and the tennis center is at Flushing Meadows Park in Queens, NY. A city park and working the tennis open was a "detail," meaning we all had to take turns working there. It was actually an unpleasant place to work - hot and noisy with all of the planes taking off overhead from nearby La Guardia. If you got into the stadium itself you could hear a pin drop—no conversation, and don't dare sneeze at a critical moment. Lots of really rich entitled white folks attending back then - I hope the audience has changed it's complexion if not it's rich habits. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Aus Open without Djokovic From: Steve Shaw Date: 31 Aug 22 - 08:02 PM That might well be an interesting diversion, Maggie, but, ironically, it's off-topic. |
