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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Dec 24 - 11:09 AM As much as he might wish to, Trump can't change the Constitution so Musk can never be president. That is hard-wired. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Backwoodsman Date: 18 Dec 24 - 11:13 AM You’ll need to explain that to me, SRS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Dec 24 - 12:16 PM https://www.usa.gov/requirements-for-presidential-candidates |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Backwoodsman Date: 18 Dec 24 - 12:37 PM Good heavens! I never realised he’s South African. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 14 Feb 25 - 10:36 AM .... Here we go again: Vlad the Handler has had a quiet word with his controlee, who promptly gave away Ukraine's future. Inevitable, and inviting entirely-apt comparisons with 1938*, but no less despicable. Thought for the Day: There's no such thing as a cut-price war. If you're not prepared to pay in full up front, the interest rates will be extortionate. * Even in the English papers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 14 Feb 25 - 10:48 AM Thank you Mr. F. I was hoping this thread would return. Did you hear JD Vance's plane failed in midair and had to return to Munich? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 15 Feb 25 - 02:33 PM Vance (nee Bowman/Hamel) and Hegseth are so green that no negotiations will happen, just the sabotage of Ukraine in its struggle. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Backwoodsman Date: 15 Feb 25 - 04:28 PM The Trump Regime has thrown Ukraine under the bus. Bastards. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 16 Feb 25 - 06:45 AM > Did you hear JD Vance's plane failed in midair > and had to return to Munich? .... OK, I give in: what's the punchline? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 16 Feb 25 - 06:59 AM From CBS news 2 days ago A plane carrying Secretary of State Marco Rubio bound for Munich, Germany, was forced to return to Maryland late Thursday night due to a "mechanical issue," officials said. Vance had a similar issue back with a flight back in August last year but that had nothing to do with either Ukraine or Munich Facts are important. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: robomatic Date: 16 Feb 25 - 04:14 PM I wonder how certain people holding certain positions can be so careless about certain facts that they can be considered reliably unreliable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: mayomick Date: 17 Feb 25 - 03:04 PM Robomatic They walked in front of the bus after your people gave them the green light, assuring Ukrainians they would be safe . The bus driver did honk several times |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: robomatic Date: 17 Feb 25 - 05:39 PM mayomick: there is so much wrong with that I dont know where to start. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: mayomick Date: 18 Feb 25 - 09:46 AM I’m sure most people here would agree , Robomatic . A huge juggernaut of a nuclear-armed bus driven by a genocidal , maniacal reincarnation of Adolf Hitler but , fear not plucky Ukraine, we’ve got your back lol. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Feb 25 - 11:19 AM Turnip holding "peace talks" without Ukraine or Europe present - you know what this is. Trump is punishing Zelenskyy because it was the call to him that resulted in the first impeachment. He hasn't said so out loud, but it's clear he's getting even. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 18 Feb 25 - 11:30 AM .... I had difficulty working out which headbanger you were on about, mayomick; I count three, with a fourth sitting back, giggling quietly.
Prophetic PS: Just noticed that our copy of Amimal Farm has adverts for other Penguin titles at the end. At the top, one page bears "NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR"; at the foot is "NOT FOR SALE IN THE USA". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: robomatic Date: 18 Feb 25 - 03:23 PM "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war." - Winston Churchill |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 18 Feb 25 - 11:58 PM Trump has declared that Ukraine started the war and has had 3 years to enter cease fire talks. He also has voiced approval of every single Russian demand including Russia having a part in new Ukraine elections AND have Ukraine give over 50% of all mineral rights in perpetuity. Russia did not have or need a single concession in the Trump-Putin 'peace' talks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 19 Feb 25 - 12:09 AM You can bet that a secret deal was made so Trump would get a share of mineral rights as well as payoffs for dropping sanctions against Russia but Trump is not talking about that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 19 Feb 25 - 06:19 AM Like post war Germany being divided into communist East Germany and demoratic West Germany, Ukraine could be sliced up with COMMUNIST East Ukraine, if Russia gets their way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 19 Feb 25 - 06:37 AM Russia is no0 longer a communist state |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 19 Feb 25 - 07:10 AM True, DtG: they just swapped czars (or tsars). Communism has only ever been the front-end. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 19 Feb 25 - 07:23 AM > but Trump is not talking about that. He also carefully avoided saying he'd implement Project 2025, waited till he'd been enthroned, then *bingo* --- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 19 Feb 25 - 09:58 AM OK OK NAZI Russia. but seriously Putin wants to restore the USSR empire where he grew up. He doesn't have an ounce of Glasnost in him except in stringing Trump along. When it comes to random cost slashing I wonder what will become of the Webb telescope. Some other astrophysics research has already lost funding. So far Dodge is not measuring once and is cutting twice. The needs of the billionaires outweigh the needs of the many? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: robomatic Date: 20 Feb 25 - 01:19 PM The Webb might be a good place for Muck to park his space traveling Tesla. It's probably exempt from tickets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 24 Feb 25 - 06:40 AM Zelenski made his first concession which is to step down and not run for office. European leaders and Canada arrived in Ukraine by train today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: The Sandman Date: 24 Feb 25 - 09:21 AM OK OK NAZI Russia. but seriously Putin wants to restore the USSR empire where he grew up" quote Donuel What evidence do you have for saying this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 24 Feb 25 - 11:38 AM > step down and not run for office In the UK news, that was "step down in return for Ukraine getting NATO membership". (Point of information: Was that qualification snipped in US coverage?) Zelenskyy (sp?) also said he realised he probably wasn't going to be around in forty years' time, though wasn't specific who that might have been a dig at. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 28 Feb 25 - 01:08 PM Details coming in as we speak: Zelenskyy and tRump have had a stand-up row on camera. Please let us know, Left-Pondians, if this ever makes it to your TV screens, and in what form. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Backwoodsman Date: 28 Feb 25 - 01:15 PM The BBC News Channel was just showing it a few minutes ago. Trump and Vance behaving like the vile bullies they are - putting the boot into a guy fighting for his country’s life. What pieces of shit Trump and Vance are. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 28 Feb 25 - 05:20 PM I was going to comment further, but the 'Cat went for a nap. See also the Convicted Felon thread for more discussion .... I was doing something more constructive (watching Death in Paradise instead). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: robomatic Date: 28 Feb 25 - 06:15 PM As far as I could see, Zelenskyy was all but set up by Bully and his boy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Feb 25 - 06:36 PM Zelenskyy was the bigger man here, he stood up to Trump, and even after that awful photo op/row, still tried to get them to hit the reset button and move forward. Trump wasn't having it. I suspect staff are wiping catsup off of the White House dining room walls. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 28 Feb 25 - 06:39 PM Now he's being set up on Fox News. I've come away rather than pollute my ears: I want to get some sleep tonight. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 28 Feb 25 - 06:43 PM --- Ah, *that*'s what catsup is: we call it ketchup in the UK. Thanks for inciting me to resolve that mystery, Stilly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Charley Noble Date: 28 Feb 25 - 09:10 PM I do wonder if there are any Republicans left to stand up against Russian aggression. Hopefully the majority of European countries will still support Ukraine. The United States certainly cannot be counted upon as long as tRump is President. This is a very sad day... Charlie Ipcar |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: The Sandman Date: 01 Mar 25 - 03:22 AM Ukraine has been out maneuvered. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Backwoodsman Date: 01 Mar 25 - 03:57 AM From ‘Occupy Democrats ‘ FB Page today. (BTW, I quote sources such as OD because they express my views far more eloquently than I am able myself). The emboldening is mine… BREAKING: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy breaks his silence on Donald Trump's disastrous Oval Office outburst with stunning grace and class — but refuses to apologize to Trump as demanded by MAGA. And the best part? He did it on Fox News. This is what a real world leader sounds like... "President Trump said after your meeting that you disrespected him and the vice president and all of America in the Oval Office," said Fox News' Bret Baier when Zelenskyy appeared on his show. "Do you think you did? And do you think you owe an apology to President Trump?" "Thank you so much. First of all, thank you for the invitation, for this dialogue and good evening to all of your country, to all Americans," said Zelenskyy. "I'm very thankful to Americans for all your support. You did a lot. I'm thankful to President Trump and to Congress's bipartisan support and I was always very thankful from all of our people." "You helped us a lot from the very beginning, here in three years of full scale invasion. You helped us to survive and anyway we are strategic partners," he continued. "And even in such tough dialogue — and I think we have to be very honest and we have to be very direct to understand each other because it's for us very necessary," said Zelenskyy. "To President Trump — and with all respect that he wants to finish this war — but nobody wants to finish more than we because we in Ukraine we are in this war, we are in this battle for freedom, for our lives," he went on. "So I'm just telling that I think we have to be on the same side and I hope that the president on our side together with us and that is very important to stop Putin," continued Zelenskyy. "And I heard from President Trump a lot of times that he will stop the war and I hope he will. And we need to pressure him with Europe, with all the partners." "And I think this dialogue had to be a little bit earlier to understand where we are," he continued. "Like you know, I don't remember exactly, but like President Reagan said that peace is not just the absence of war." "Yes, we are speaking about just, lasting peace, about freedom, about justice, about human rights and that's why I said that 'I think so' to ceasefire," he went on. "And you know Putin, he's broken twenty-five times ceasefire during all these years, ten years." "So I'm not hearing from you Mr. President a thought that you owe the president an apology," said Baier, clearly trying to pander to Trump who was almost certainly watching at home. "No I respect the president and I respect the American people and if — I don't know, I think that we have to be very open and very honest and I'm not sure that we did something bad," replied Zelenskyy. "I think maybe somethings we have to discuss out of media, with all respect to democracy and free media but there are things where we have to understand the position of Ukraine and Ukrainians," he added. "And I think that is the most important thing." "We are partners. We are very close partners. We have to be fair. We have to be very free," said Zelenskyy, sounding far more like an American president than Donald Trump did today. This is an astonishing display of statesmanship. Rather than give into ego or pettiness, Zelenskyy is rising above Donald Trump's childish bullying to serve his people. Zelenskyy isn't interested in following Trump down into the gutter. He's interested in securing a lasting peace for his innocent embattled country, a task made all the more difficult by Trump's kowtowing to Vladimir Putin. Zelenskyy is also correct that these conversations should take place behind closed doors instead of being exploited to create a media circus. Trump and Vance ambushed him in the Oval Office in front of reporters because they knew that it would make headlines and entertain their base. They are not serious leaders. Zelenskyy is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 01 Mar 25 - 12:12 PM I'll put this in both threads (delete as appropriate): Just announced in the last hour: Zelenskyy is going to meet the King tomorrow, as part of his UK visit. Someone's got balls. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: The Sandman Date: 01 Mar 25 - 12:38 PM The King is not supposed to interfere in political matters so it is meaningless. Zelensky made a big mistake agreeing top do an interview with two people, Trump and Vance intent on opposing him., imo, he has not got much tactical shrewdness. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 01 Mar 25 - 12:54 PM Not sure Zelenskyy had much choice yesterday. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 Mar 25 - 01:11 PM Yesterday was not usual protocol. Who could have expected such a crass display? (Well now we all will, all of the time.) The senate approve Rubio as Secretary of State thinking he might be a grownup in the room. That seems not to be the case. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Mar 25 - 01:41 PM Dick, do you think that letting letting Putin keep everything he has encroached on since 2014 is "stopping a war?" It's appeasing a dictator who will keep taking more. Illustrated. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Mar 25 - 02:13 AM The whole business is utterly horrific - it’s 1930s Germany, it’s 1960s USSR, it’s 21st-century Russia. The POTUS and VP behaving like the despotic rulers of a banana republic. Yet here, we’re not seeing any worthwhile reaction reported from the GOP, or from the 77million. Why not? |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Mar 25 - 11:12 AM ”why dont you lot go and volunteer to fight for zilensky, if you are so fond of fighting, you swallow without question the propaganda you are fed in the news, here are some facts, ukraine has been losing this war. the usa has finally decided to try and make a deal, zilensky wants to continue and is prepared to carry on regardless of how many more are killed” Stupid Boy! (Spoken in the voice of Capt. Mainwaring when addressing Pte. Pike in ‘Dads’ Army’). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Mar 25 - 11:24 AM Dick, Trump and his group ganged up on Zelenskyy. How long have you been donating to the GOP and Trump's campaign fund? Did you buy some crypto currency lately? Clearly you drank the Kool-Aid. Meanwhile, it is possible to support Ukraine directly without waiting for the US to do the right thing. United24 - Official Fundraising Platform of Ukraine. |
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Subject: RE: Convicted felon US 47th President/ Musk Coup From: Backwoodsman Date: 04 Mar 25 - 02:19 AM Another long C&P here from the FB Page of Lech Walesa, the former Prime Minister of Poland, and leader of the Solidarity Union, and former political prisoner. A letter he has written to The School Bully in reaction to the appalling Oval Office debacle. (Apologies SRS, but the original is in Polish, and only those logged-in to FB will be able to see the translation to English). ”Your Excellency, Mr. President, We watched the report of your conversation with the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, with fear and distaste. We find it insulting that you expect Ukraine to show respect and gratitude for the material assistance provided by the United States in its fight against russia. Gratitude is owed to the heroic Ukrainian soldiers who shed their blood in defense of the values of the free world. They have been dying on the front lines for more than 11 years in the name of these values and the independence of their homeland, which was attacked by Putin’s russia. We do not understand how the leader of a country that symbolizes the free world cannot recognize this. Our alarm was also heightened by the atmosphere in the Oval Office during this conversation, which reminded us of the interrogations we endured at the hands of the Security Services and the debates in Communist courts. Prosecutors and judges, acting on behalf of the all-powerful communist political police, would explain to us that they held all the power while we held none. They demanded that we cease our activities, arguing that thousands of innocent people suffered because of us. They stripped us of our freedoms and civil rights because we refused to cooperate with the government or express gratitude for our oppression. We are shocked that President Volodymyr Zelensky was treated in the same manner. The history of the 20th century shows that whenever the United States sought to distance itself from democratic values and its European allies, it ultimately became a threat to itself. President Woodrow Wilson understood this when he decided in 1917 that the United States must join World War I. President Franklin Delano Roosevelt understood this when, after the attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941, he resolved that the war to defend America must be fought not only in the Pacific but also in Europe, in alliance with the nations under attack by the Third Reich. We remember that without President Ronald Reagan and America’s financial commitment, the collapse of the Soviet empire would not have been possible. President Reagan recognized that millions of enslaved people suffered in Soviet russia and the countries it had subjugated, including thousands of political prisoners who paid for their defense of democratic values with their freedom. His greatness lay, among other things, in his unwavering decision to call the USSR an “Empire of Evil” and to fight it decisively. We won, and today, the statue of President Ronald Reagan stands in Warsaw, facing the U.S. Embassy. Mr. President, material aid—military and financial—can never be equated with the blood shed in the name of Ukraine’s independence and the freedom of Europe and the entire free world. Human life is priceless; its value cannot be measured in money. Gratitude is due to those who sacrifice their blood and their freedom. This is self-evident to us, the people of Solidarity, former political prisoners of the communist regime under Soviet russia. We call on the United States to uphold the guarantees made alongside Great Britain in the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, which established a direct obligation to defend Ukraine’s territorial integrity in exchange for its relinquishment of nuclear weapons. These guarantees are unconditional—there is no mention of treating such assistance as an economic transaction. Signed, Lech Walesa, former political prisoner, President of Poland Moved from the Trump/Convicted felon thread - it fits here better. ---mudelf |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Backwoodsman Date: 04 Mar 25 - 03:29 AM Thanks for moving the Lech Walesa piece SRS, you’re right, it makes better sense here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 04 Mar 25 - 08:06 AM No one is favour of the war apart from Putin, Dick, but no one is in favour of capitulation by Ukraine either. I posted this on the other thread but it vanished in your spate of nonsense there. In 1938 the Munich agreement was reached between Germany, The UK, France and Italy. It allowed Hitler to keep parts of Czechoslovakia in exchange for a peace deal in Europe. Chamberlain came back home waving a piece of paper and declaring "Peace in our time". We all know what happened a year later. If you believe for one minute that giving Putin buts of Ukraine and Trump waving his "Peace in our time" agreement will be any different, then you are dafter than I thought. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Backwoodsman Date: 04 Mar 25 - 12:01 PM Pres. Zelenskyy now saying that he ‘wants to make things right’ with the Mango Mussolini, and that he’s ready to come to the negotiating table ASAP. |
