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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 04 Mar 22 - 08:04 PM From the Guardian: As the war in Ukraine intensifies, some US lawmakers are urging President Joe Biden to take a tougher stance against Russia, such as by suspending imports of its oil. The White House has ruled this out so far, fearing it might cause rising oil prices to go up even more and hurt US consumers stung by record inflation. Why, you poor dears. Or, should I say, you bastards. Sod the starving, the dying, the refugees, the homeless, the terrified. What's more bloody important than your oil prices (remind me: what do you pay for your petrol?) or your "record inflation"? You didn't start this war but, begod, you are in Russia's face in Europe with your military bases and your aggressive weaponry close to the border with Russia. You are in this mess with us, or, at least, you should be if your conscience allows. You need to stop relying on the fact that Ukraine is a long, long way from you. Time to step up, Yanks. Show, for once, that you care about the world beyond your borders. Or are you merely adhering to Trump's "America first...?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 04 Mar 22 - 07:07 PM Our local branch of Morrisons is appealing for donations of all sorts of stuff that we can make in store, and Morrisons has promised to donate £250,000. That's the spirit. We'll be there first thing (ish)... We don't seem to have a local collection point for blankets, nappies and clothes at the moment but we're working on it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 04 Mar 22 - 08:53 AM The end game is supposed be a Stalingrad like siege of Kyiv to kill Ukrainians by starvation and thirst. Depending on logistics and old trucks, Russain troops may go hungry too. What if the Vatican supplied food by air drop like America did in the Soviet blockade of Berlin. The vatican is not NATO. The hacker group Annonymous has declared cyber war on Russian business, infrastructure and government. They used to attack the US but now they attack Russia??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 04 Mar 22 - 08:39 AM I can't think that there's much joy around in Ukraine at the moment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 04 Mar 22 - 08:28 AM Ha ha. I guess the farmers know how to repair vehicles better than Russain troops. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 04 Mar 22 - 08:18 AM Here's to the Ukrainian farmers pinching abandoned russian military vehicles and joyriding!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 04 Mar 22 - 06:34 AM Disinformation about nuclear and cyber attacks are designed to keep the west off balance as the Russain invasion stumbles forwrd. Putin wants to win the war of fear among other wars. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 04 Mar 22 - 06:25 AM New laws in Russia can sentence a person to 15 years in prison for calling the mission in Ukraine as an invasion. MSNBC source. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 04 Mar 22 - 06:09 AM The news gets worse every day. I can't help thinking that Putin is trying to provoke war with the west. It's hard to know what we can do as individuals. I hate giving to charities because I know that much of what I might give is sucked up by "administrative costs," but I don't know what else to do apart from sticking a Ukraine flag car sticker on my bumper. I know there are collection points round here for blankets, clothing, that sort of thing. Our DEC (Disasters Emergency Committee) is an amalgam of fifteen charities which currently has an appeal directed at giving aid to Ukrainian people. That'll have to do for me. The government is going to match the first £20 million raised pound for pound, and you can gift aid your donation. For example, £100 turns into £125. Annoyingly, paying online has been made as bureaucratic as possible. Name, address, full card details, declarations, etc, all have to be filled in. Generally, before making online payments for anything I look for the good ol' PayPal button. Not this time. I suppose there are alternative ways of giving. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 02 Mar 22 - 12:20 PM "Remove American nuclear weapons from the whole of Europe. If anything good can come of this, maybe that will be it." Absolutely. Way back in the early 80s I was delivering firewood (and, one one occasion, Mrs Steve) to the brave women of Greenham, marching with the missus and kids round US air bases (dressed up on one occasion as moles*), all to persuade the bloody yanks to get their baleful weaponry and their sweet arses out of our country. The last thing any country needs is to be made more vulnerable by dint of a bunch of armed foreigners squatting in their country who have wildly different interests to their own. *Our little lad, four years old at the time, managed to separate himself from us momentarily on one of the demos. We found him a couple of minutes later marching in step, right at the front of the marchers, with the Labour MP Ann Clwyd. He looked very solemn as he trotted along with her and she seemed very happy to have such hallowed company. :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 02 Mar 22 - 11:26 AM Even if Putin released tactical nukes the damage would be less than the inexorable scourge of global warming. The UN released its research showing that all the previously unknown factors are accumulating to inflate the rapidity of a runaway warming event. Billions of people will be effected. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 02 Mar 22 - 09:29 AM Removing nukes is a great idea but symbolic. I think Putin's plans go back to the fall of the Berlin Wall and Glasnost which was against his idea of empire and colonialism. An aside to Stilly: Steve and I regretably have conditioned responses. His expertise lies with the past and mine are with the future. Never the twain shall meet except in the fleeting now. In truth we agree on more than we disagree. The past can be corrupted or improved upon and future speculation can be wrong or changed. Its crazier than fluid dynamics and quantum mechanics. All in all things go better than expected. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 02 Mar 22 - 09:07 AM The map of Europe which has Nato coloured in is very different to the one from a few decades ago. It appears to show a relentless Nato advance, right up to the Russian border. That shouldn't be a problem, as Nato is ostensibly a defensive bloc, though he sees that "advance" as a provocation and as a broken promise (he'll see what he wants to see and he hasn't got people around him to tell him otherwise). A wise agreement between Nato and Putin would involve keeping each other's weaponry well away from their borders. And not pointing missiles at each other. And somebody needs to tell him that Ukraine will not be joining Nato either in his or in Biden's lifetime. We're dealing with a bloke who doesn't need much of a pretext and who has an evangelical desire to restore the Russian empire. We've made the big mistake of failing to sufficiently recognise that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 02 Mar 22 - 07:57 AM Maybe Donuel but when Trump did not follow Putin's orders, why did Putin go ahead anyway? I think this has been in the making a long time prior to Trump even dreaming about being president. There is one Russian demand that I could be convinced would be beneficial to all concerns. Remove American nuclear weapons from the whole of Europe. If anything good can come of this, maybe that will be it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 02 Mar 22 - 07:44 AM I think Putin's plans were predicated on Trump dismantling NATO by now. That it did not happen once Biden was elected, we Americans who were against Trumpism all along have done our part to also protect European independance. Perhaps its a small part but its a democratic lynch pin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Mar 22 - 12:05 AM Sez you. In America it is commonly known that many of the most successful and nuanced comedians are Jewish. I really wish you would stop saying "no" any time Donuel says "yes." We're all tired of it. Try to do the adult thing and ignore him if you're unhappy with what he posts. We'd all be the richer for it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 01 Mar 22 - 08:20 PM "and Jews make good comedy." Not ideal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 01 Mar 22 - 06:04 PM The fierceness of Cossacks have even reached my poor ears. I think the President was a comedian first and Jews make good comedy. My making light of The Ukraine war is like making terrorist jokes on 9-12. The tradgedies and atrocities are mounting up already |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 Mar 22 - 01:52 PM Sadly, Donuel, Ukraine is the spiritual home of the Cossacks and Jews have no reason to love them either. It does seem though that by electing a Jewish president Ukrainians have moved out of the dark ages. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - From 2022-2023 From: Donuel Date: 01 Mar 22 - 12:11 PM About the only (sensible thing?) about this war is that it is not over whose God is the right God. It is about what man is mentally ill. BUT religions are jealous. If you google Ukraine invasion and religion there are plenty of sites that claim the reason is really about trying to destroy Christianity but it is top secret. shh Q Anon is of course all Pro Putin and despise Ukraine as a fake country. Q Anon has gone international and is now banned in Ukraine. Hmmm. Muslim countries are split depending on who wants Russain support and the Hindu and Buddists are silent in their despair. What about Jews you ask? Russia has not been a friend to Jews for a very long time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Dave the Gnome Date: 28 Feb 22 - 08:32 AM My Grandad was from Kropotkin on the Kuban river and my Dad was always proud of being a Kuban Cossack. Cossack lineage flows down the male side so I guess I am one too! One of the things my Dad always said was "Don't trust the Russians!" It confused me for years but, after my Grandad died and my Grandma remarried another Cossack I found at their wedding feast, held at the Ukrainian club in Manchester, 1972, the anti-Russian feeling against Russia by Cossacks was palpable. The Russian state has used Cossacks in their wars for centuries. There are verified instances of mounted Cossacks attacking German tanks in WW2. Their courage and fierceness is legendary. As Ukraine is the focal point for Don, Kuban and Zaporozhian Cossacks, it makes me wonder why the current regime is foolish enough to take them on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 28 Feb 22 - 07:03 AM Bonzo, a palace coup, putsch or assasination would be hampered by covid testing and 2 weeks quarantine to get close to Putin. :^/ The truth is Putin is as isolated as a former Trump with very few old crazy KGB yes man pals around him. If Putin wants to hear what advisors have to say, he tells them what to say. Switzerland banks are warning Russain Oligarchs that their accounts may be frozen. A word to the wise Russains will give most of them a chance to move and hide fortunes. The loyalty of these oligarchs to Putin is problomatic. London banks, similar to Switzerland, are wimping out for now. Sweden and Germany will give weapons directly to Ukraine. The ruble dropped 30%. 110 rubles now buys a dollar. Putin has thrown 'all in' with a go big or go home strategy. A Russain occupying army will face hardships as time goes by as in any occupying army after street by street battles. History shows Ukraine has thrown out Russain occupying police before. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Big Al Whittle Date: 28 Feb 22 - 04:29 AM looks like the History channel has got some new material to work on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: The Sandman Date: 28 Feb 22 - 02:59 AM Bonzo, source? Jeri reminds me of the 2000 collapse predictions, pure bollocks |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Neil D Date: 27 Feb 22 - 11:20 PM Jeri said "I also hope Zalensky can get to safety, although his fate may be part of the story, too." President Zelensky does not appear to be interested in getting to safety. The U.S. government offered to evacuate the president and he said "I don't need a ride, I need ammunition." He is still hunkered down in Kyiv. I fear for this brave and noble leader, my newest hero. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: robomatic Date: 27 Feb 22 - 04:16 PM This is not meant to demean the human cost in life going on as I write this, but in the OP I mentioned being at an airshow talking to the Ukrainian crew of an Antonov 124. There was a big brother of the 124, the ANT 225, originally built to carry the Russian version of the shuttle. It is one of a kind and looks like one of a kind. It has flown constantly as a private contractor for getting incredible loads of great shape or bulk from point A to point B. To look at it you could imagine it as the perfect musclebound monster to fly anything produced by Jurassic Park! That also goes for the smaller 124, which has been the second largest plane on the planet - so far (I'm ignoring the Californian new experimental Stratolaunch for now). There is an article from CNN with the unconfirmed report that the 225 has been destroyed. It is definitely symbolic in this bullying war between two neighbors with such interlocking history and culture. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Feb 22 - 11:01 AM Any dictator is always in danger of being assassinated. Goes with the job. But it doesn't happen too frequently. More significant maybe are reports of cases where movements of Russian vehicles being halted by people coming out and standing in the way. That suggests that there are Russian troops who are not too happy with this invasion. As would be expected. This is not a repeat of Crimea where it was genuine support for the takeover - Crimea had been part of Russia, rather than Ukraine from 1754 until 1954: when Kruschev, himself a Ukrainian, transferred it formally to Ukraine, and it's clear that most people living there felt themselves to be Russian. Nor is it like Hungary in 1956, which had been allied with Germany in the in the war. The BBC referred to polls indicate 60% Russian opposition to the wider war on Ukraine, including people who quite approved of the move to recognise the breakaway republics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Feb 22 - 09:46 AM What's your source, Bonzo? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 27 Feb 22 - 06:43 AM I'm hearing Vladimir Putin is now in danger of being assassinated by Russian sources close to him because they believe he's gone too far. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Feb 22 - 05:44 AM We were reminded this morning on Broadcasting House (BBC Radio 4) of a Prom concert at the Albert Hall on 21 August 1968. The Russian cellist Mstislav Rostropovich and the USSR State Symphony Orchestra under the Russian conductor Svetlanov played the Czech composer Dvorák's Cello Concerto, amid protests and calls for the concert to be cancelled. On that day and the day before, Russian tanks had rolled into Czechoslovakia. That was some coincidence and it made musical history. A tearful Slava played the concerto with passion and anger, making it "completely clear whose side he was on." Slava promised that he would play in Prague when the last Russian boots had gone from Czech soil. He kept his word, but he had to wait for more than 20 years... There were no protests during the actual performance. It was released on CD eventually. It is far from the tidiest version ever of Dvorák's concerto but it's an amazing and emotional listen when you recall that context. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 27 Feb 22 - 04:14 AM I agree with robo here (I don't always, but hey). I'm clinging to hope a bit too much. But this is going to go on for a good while yet. I admit that I was wrong about the need for Ukraine to not fight back. I didn't expect the response to be as brave and feisty as it's been so far. In consequence, this isn't going as well as Putin thought it would. Unfortunately, the realisation of that could make him even nastier. What we're seeing on the telly apropos of families having to leave their homes and, in many cases, their husbands, is almost too much to watch. All because a despot wants to reclaim a corrupt kingdom. I don't think we are heading for WW3 but we are certainly heading for mass cruelty visited on millions of people who just want to get on with their lives. As for weaponry, I think we should applaud Germany for promising to provide anti-tank and anti-aircraft weaponry, and, up to today, at potentially at great cost to their economy, they have cancelled the new gas pipeline to Russia and agreed to suspend the SWIFT international bank transfer agreement. The US is the most powerful western military force. Ukraine is an awful long way from Washington. We have yet to see an adequate response to this dreadful attack on democracy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: robomatic Date: 26 Feb 22 - 06:08 PM The more I think of it the more I think it is a serious blunder on the part of Putin. I wonder if the armed forces of Russia are prepared to shed much neighbor's blood. Russians are legendary in repelling invaders. This is not that. Instead they are fostering unity in Ukraine, increased admiration for their unlikely president, and justification and unity to NATO's many new members. And I think it is going to work against Trmp and his amen corner in FOX news. (Maybe Chris Wallace timed his exit very well). It reminds me of 1990 when Saddam Hussein massed troops on the border of Kuwait. He scared a lot of folk, and the price of oil headed for the sky. At that point he was in a bargaining position. Then he blew it with actual military invasion. Putin may have painted himself into his own corner. Couldn't happen to a nicer son of a bitch. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: robomatic Date: 26 Feb 22 - 05:15 PM Germany's PM announced that they would provide defensive arms to Ukraine. Interesting if he is certain he can still get them delivered. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Jeri Date: 26 Feb 22 - 09:09 AM The short term: Putin can take Ukraine. The long term: I don't that he can hold it, after it was a democracy for so long, and THAT feeling will spread. Also, I think, judging from what I'm seeing on the news, he has finally pushed his people too far, and begun the end to his rule. Kill the USSR twice. I also hope Zalensky can get to safety, although his fate may be part of the story, too. One thing this does show, and I've heard it said about the USA enough: the people are great, but the governments suck. (Disclaimer: some of our people suck, too.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Feb 22 - 09:58 PM The weapons being issued to citizens allow for a guerilla force and the US is upping the amount of weapons being sent there. Biden said that in his last press conference regarding Ukraine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Feb 22 - 06:23 PM Well there's going to be a lot of collateral damage. My personal focus is on the terrible situation in which the people of Ukraine find themselves. I want to grasp at straws here and, whilst I don't want to sound emptily optimistic, a couple of things I'm hearing, or not hearing, today made me perk up a bit. First, I'm not sure that things have entirely gone Putin's way today. Nothing swift and clean seems to have happened, and Russia is already getting hundreds of its young men back home in body bags. It's clear that there is a big groundswell of opposition in Russia to what's going on (it's being suppressed, obviously). Thousands of Ukraine citizens have been issued with machine guns, and I'm thinking that young Russian conscripts would be reluctant to get shot at from around every corner. In many regards, Russians and Ukrainians are brothers and sisters, not mutual aliens. Another point well made this evening by BBC correspondents and interviewees is that Ukraine is a country as big as France with a population as big as Spain's, and, while Russian military might could easily overcome the Ukrainian military, it's going to take a hell of a lot more than 150,000 troops to occupy a non-compliant country for any length of time. It seems doubtful that Putin could increase his resources sufficient to achieve that unless he seriously impoverishes his own country. As I've said before, it could be that the ordinary Russian people may turn out to be the world's best friends... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Feb 22 - 03:09 PM One huge collaborative effort that suddenly is endangered - the joint NASA and Russian space program. What does the Ukraine invasion mean for US-Russian partnership in space? Could Russia's military and political actions in Ukraine upend science and exploration in outer space? This is the stuff of science fiction stories, possibly come to life. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 25 Feb 22 - 02:55 PM I was frankly astonished at a few of the high caliber people who served in the Trump State Department as his advisors on Russia and Ukraine - it's pretty clear Trump's team didn't consider it important and didn't bother to notice that Hill and Vindman were really smart people and might be a hazard to Trump in the long run. (The only pushback I heard about was when Hill suddenly found herself having to attend a meeting in the White House when she wasn't dressed for it - she had on sneakers, not pumps, and Ivanka who was also there made a big point of noticing it.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 25 Feb 22 - 02:48 PM Putin seems to crazed to worry about going nuclear, and if Putin did make a first strike, would their be any point in obliterating the rest of the world in retaliation and escalation? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: robomatic Date: 25 Feb 22 - 02:09 PM This is a link to an NPR interview with author Masha Gessen in 2014. It reads as if from the present but there are a few changes worth noting. I first became aware of Masha Gessen when she was interviewed over the Ukrainian turn toward Europe and rejection of a path toward Moscow. She predicted that Putin would respond with "some form of rape" and within weeks the invasion and seizure of Crimea occurred. I haven't found any recent interviews or comments from her but I'm still looking. She may be one of those rare commentators who refrains from saying anything when there is nothing new to say. But I'm still looking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Senoufou Date: 25 Feb 22 - 05:41 AM I would imagine the Russian people are cringing with fear at the more-than-likely reprisals that will follow from other nations. If this escalates into a war, they will suffer too. If it goes nuclear (God save us!) they will not want that, surely? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Feb 22 - 05:28 AM Putin has calculated that he can ride out whatever sanctions the west can throw at him. There are already splits: we can't agree that we should exclude Russia from the SWIFT international banking system (used to pay him for Russian oil and gas, for example). A couple of weeks ago he was cosying up to the equally nasty charlatan President Xi. You can bet your life that there will be plenty of sanctions mitigations coming from that quarter, and Xi will be watching with interest to see if there's a template here for taking Taiwan. This next bit might seem trivial, but Russia is a football-mad country which has now had the prestigious Champions League (aka European Cup, as was) final taken away. Russia still has teams in European competitions as well as an interest in the forthcoming World Cup. Take all that away (which I think should be done), and there are going to be tens of millions of very angry Russians, and it won't be us who they blame. I think that Russian public opinion turning against Putin is almost the only hope of drawing his sting. He's a nasty piece of work and will use brutal methods to suppress dissent, but, unlike in the bad old Cold War days, he won't be able to hide what he does from the world behind a wall of secrecy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 25 Feb 22 - 05:26 AM “No war has the honesty to confess: I kill to steal.” Wars always invoke noble motives, kill in the name of peace, in the name of god, in the name if civilization, in the name Of progress, in the name OF democracy and if by doubts, if so much lie did not reach, there are the big media willing to invent communication imaginary enemies to justify the conversion of the world into a big madhouse and an immense slaughterhouse. In Rey Lear, Shakespeare had written that in this world the mad lead the blind and four centuries later, the masters of the world are mad in love with death that have made the world a place where every minute they starve or enf healing 10 children and every minute $3 million, three million dollars per minute are spent on the military industry which is a death factory. Guns require wars and wars require weapons and the five countries that run the United Nations, which have veto rights at the United Nations, also happen to be the top five gun producers. One wonders How long ? Until when will world peace be in the hands of those who do the business of war? Until when will we continue to believe that we are born for mutual extermination and that mutual extermination is our destiny? Until when? " #EduardoGaleano #paz #Ucrania March for Peace and Non-Violence - October 2009 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 25 Feb 22 - 04:54 AM Is there a balance of power in Europe? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Backwoodsman Date: 25 Feb 22 - 02:34 AM Oh, so you fancy the idea of this whole business escalating into a nuclear conflict, eh Bonzo? President Biden is doing exactly what Johnson and other Western leaders are doing - taking part in a concerted, non-military excercise to put economic pressure on Putin in order to make him realise that invasion of a peaceful neighbouring country is not in his best interest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Bonzo3legs Date: 25 Feb 22 - 02:20 AM And what is biden doing - scratching his arse????????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Donuel Date: 24 Feb 22 - 11:55 PM I wonder if Russia has another motivation to seize Chernobyl first, other than being a short cut to Kiev. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: keberoxu Date: 24 Feb 22 - 10:11 PM The reason I'm watching this with dread, is that it just happens that I have been reading, lately, about the Armistice, the Paris Peace Conference, the Treaty of Versailles, and the League of Nations, that followed upon the Great War. Just such a sense of foreshadowing. It was 1919, over a hundred years ago. And yet such deep roots for the conflict and intolerance that are still tearing the world apart today. Woodrow Wilson, somewhere across the threshold, must be shaking his head . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: robomatic Date: 24 Feb 22 - 09:53 PM Putin has autocratic powers which too much of the world admires these days. It is a powerful caution that this still exists and in fact is making gains against democratic powers and philosophy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Long Night in Ukraine - Feb. 23, 2022 From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Feb 22 - 09:52 PM Yes, I was seeing news feeds this evening showing a lot of Russians, all over the country, protesting this war, many arrested in the process. |
